2017 Palladium Eagle (PDE) in hand and unboxing

Weiss · October 10, 2017 7:39AM

Just back from the PO Box.
This. Coin. Is. Gorgeous.

jwitten · October 10, 2017 7:46AM

Very nice!!

MilesWaits · October 10, 2017 8:05AM

Thank you for taking the time to post. This is the most beautiful palladium coin I have yet to see and I have a few. And it rates really well in luster sitting by the silvers.

Gluggo · October 10, 2017 8:34AM

Thank you for sharing!

steveben · October 10, 2017 8:35AM

very nice!

291fifth · October 10, 2017 8:38AM

What a shame that reverse design wasn't used on a coin that will actually circulate.

KellenCoin · October 10, 2017 8:54AM

Thank you for this! I always like unboxings. The design is also pretty.

TwoSides2aCoin · October 10, 2017 8:57AM

Next stop ....BST forum . LOL

asheland · October 10, 2017 8:59AM

Very nice! I need one now.

Kove · October 10, 2017 12:14PM

The depth of that relief is impressive, and the reverse design is great. I would say, however, that at this larger size, Liberty looks fairly grumpy on the obverse.

Boosibri · October 10, 2017 12:31PM

@Kove said:
The depth of that relief is impressive, and the reverse design is great. I would say, however, that at this larger size, Liberty looks fairly grumpy on the obverse.

"Portrait of a woman looking normal"

RogerB · October 10, 2017 12:48PM

Have the silver fakes appeared yet?

RE: "Liberty looks fairly grumpy on the obverse."

That is because Weinman's portrait was refined for use on a dime. Simply enlarging it, damages the proportions and distorts the image. To do it right, the Mint should have had Liberty revised for a larger coin. However, the self-interest, packed-with-greed legislation was specific about the obverse and reverse designs.

Weiss · October 10, 2017 1:50PM

I think the obverse looks amazing enlarged. Much better than the gold dime recreation. The detail in the headdress is amazing. Especially for an old guy like me

As for it looking out of scale: I disagree. It looks classic, like the Peace dollar or French/Italian pieces of the same era.

Gluggo · October 10, 2017 2:46PM

Here is a pic hope this work I am at work in the field.

jessewvu · October 10, 2017 2:49PM

I like mine.

Gluggo · October 10, 2017 2:51PM

Maybe this works just got it

Onastone · October 10, 2017 3:10PM

Ooooh Gluggo you got three!!! Is there one prettier than the others? The PCGS looks really sharp but it may just be the lighting. And for the original unpacking Weiss, WOW what a beauty of a coin!!! I see some Palladiums have a proof-like appearance and are selling for around 10 grand, I have a feeling that this series is going to give us a little variety.

Gluggo · October 10, 2017 3:13PM

Onastone. I took it in my truck with the sun to my back. Bad lighting but they are all beautiful!!

Bullsitter · October 10, 2017 4:36PM

Very nice in hand.

MilesWaits · October 10, 2017 4:57PM

I love that even though the pricing continues to accelerate at MCM and APMEX, folks still want these beauties.
It seems a lot of people may want one for their collections. Much like the 2009 UHR.

MilesWaits · October 10, 2017 4:58PM

...Regardless, it seems, of whether they continue a "series"...

ECHOES · October 10, 2017 4:59PM

Nice

MilesWaits · October 10, 2017 5:00PM

Whoa, Bullsitter, you photos really highlight the relief and I like the holder for simplicity.

grote15 · October 10, 2017 5:04PM

Very nice. I think the enlargement of Liberty's visage works really well on this piece.

Raufus · October 10, 2017 5:28PM

Thanks for the post.

I agree with Miles, these are really beautiful coins. They look far nicer in hand than I was expecting - and I was expecting them to look nice. Cudos to The Mint on these!!

Mine arrived today. While it looks great at first glance, w/a loupe I noticed so rim dings. Once I noticed them with a loupe I can now see them w/unaided eye.

It seems like of the other 70s that I've seen have some rim dings. Here are pic of mine. Taken w/my phone so sorry that they're certainly not as nice as the OPs pics.

How do other folks' 70s look w/respect to the rims?

Thanks,

R

Raufus · October 10, 2017 5:40PM

@Onastone said:
Ooooh Gluggo you got three!!! Is there one prettier than the others? The PCGS looks really sharp but it may just be the lighting. And for the original unpacking Weiss, WOW what a beauty of a coin!!! I see some Palladiums have a proof-like appearance and are selling for around 10 grand, I have a feeling that this series is going to give us a little variety.

"Musics-and-beyond" have the only PLs currently offered and they have three of them. Odd.

Gluggo · October 10, 2017 5:42PM

Are you going to contact your seller and see if they have a replacement? I think I would. I am going to take good look at mine when I get home. I just checked NO RING DINGS on the ones I got. I feel for you on that one.

Raufus · October 10, 2017 5:46PM

I am. It's APMEX. It looks like they're out. UGH! I'll definitely call tomorrow. Surprised in a PCGS 70. Looking at Feebay for pics for comparison but not many actual pics.

Bullsitter · October 10, 2017 6:08PM

@Raufus said:
Thanks for the post.

I agree with Miles, these are really beautiful coins. They look far nicer in hand than I was expecting - and I was expecting them to look nice. Cudos to The Mint on these!!

Mine arrived today. While it looks great at first glance, w/a loupe I noticed so rim dings. Once I noticed them with a loupe I can now see them w/unaided eye.

It seems like of the other 70s that I've seen have some rim dings. Here are pic of mine. Taken w/my phone so sorry that they're certainly not as nice as the OPs pics.

How do other folks' 70s look w/respect to the rims?

Thanks,

After seeing yours I checked mine and my obverse rim, under the date has bad scratches on it. I'll be sending it back. It's starting to get old buying and paying for a 70 and it's not close.

CascadeChris · October 10, 2017 6:12PM

Anybody buy a 70PL one yet?

Raufus · October 10, 2017 6:15PM

@Bullsitter said:

@Raufus said:
Thanks for the post.

I agree with Miles, these are really beautiful coins. They look far nicer in hand than I was expecting - and I was expecting them to look nice. Cudos to The Mint on these!!

Mine arrived today. While it looks great at first glance, w/a loupe I noticed so rim dings. Once I noticed them with a loupe I can now see them w/unaided eye.

It seems like of the other 70s that I've seen have some rim dings. Here are pic of mine. Taken w/my phone so sorry that they're certainly not as nice as the OPs pics.

How do other folks' 70s look w/respect to the rims?

Thanks,

After seeing yours I checked mine and my obverse rim, under the date has bad scratches on it. I'll post a pic tomorrow showing it. I'll be sending it back. It's starting to get old buying and paying for a 70 and it's not close.

I;m wondering whether most of them are like this. From the actual pics that I see it seems like these kinds of digs are on other 70s as well. Not what I expect from PCGS 70s. Looking forward to the pics. Thanks!

jwitten · October 10, 2017 6:16PM

@Bullsitter said:

@Raufus said:
Thanks for the post.

I agree with Miles, these are really beautiful coins. They look far nicer in hand than I was expecting - and I was expecting them to look nice. Cudos to The Mint on these!!

Mine arrived today. While it looks great at first glance, w/a loupe I noticed so rim dings. Once I noticed them with a loupe I can now see them w/unaided eye.

It seems like of the other 70s that I've seen have some rim dings. Here are pic of mine. Taken w/my phone so sorry that they're certainly not as nice as the OPs pics.

How do other folks' 70s look w/respect to the rims?

Thanks,

After seeing yours I checked mine and my obverse rim, under the date has bad scratches on it. I'll be sending it back. It's starting to get old buying and paying for a 70 and it's not close.

Don't send it back yet. I have one coming, and I like your label better. If you would be willing to trade it for a normal first strike, we might be able to work out a deal

Raufus · October 10, 2017 6:21PM

One can even see them from a distance at 12:30....

Raufus · October 10, 2017 6:29PM

What's the deal with these 70s and rim dings? Usually I'd not even submit a coin to our hose w/such dings knowing that they'd not make 70.

Weiss · October 10, 2017 6:47PM

On mine, the "rim issues" appear to be the same type of "finning" we saw on the gold Merc & SLC. The relief is so high that it has caused metal flow out at the very top edge of the rim, creating a thin 3-D blade in some areas.

If I'm right, then PCGS isn't concerned with the finning and isn't knocking the coins for it. If I'm right, and it is finning, I don't think it should detract from the technical grade, either.

In this image below, you can see what appears to be finning, but it seems to be folded over so it's almost flat again.

This is a huge image, you should be able to click on it to increase the size...

Onastone · October 10, 2017 6:54PM

How could PCGS grade these 70 with rim dings? Are they grading too much, too fast? What about NGC? Anyone see any grading errors with them yet? Looking past the rim, the fields are beautiful, the design detail superb
!

Raufus · October 10, 2017 7:00PM

Thanks for the great info Weiss!! Very interesting. I appreciate your sharing your knowledge.

I've tried to take a better photo of mine. I can't tell whether this is finning or not. Can you get an idea from this pic?

This is the only area where I see any distraction at all on the rim of my coin.

Thanks very much!!

R

jwitten · October 10, 2017 7:19PM

Seems like a decent price on a raw:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-1-oz-Palladium-American-Eagle-25-Coin-BU-/202068927684?hash=item2f0c3f24c4:g:34EAAOSw3G1ZzrbH

Raufus · October 10, 2017 7:26PM

23 sold in an hour - Wow! Certainly the market thinks it's a decent price! Spot is $907.

jwitten · October 10, 2017 7:42PM

Well, someone just bought 10! yowzers.

Goldbully · October 10, 2017 7:50PM

NGC Discovers Prooflike Surface Palladium Eagle Coins

https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/ngc/ngc-discovers-prooflike-surface-palladium-eagle-coins/

Numismatic Guaranty Corporation® (NGC®) has discovered that some of the US Mint’s new Palladium American Eagle coins have Prooflike surfaces. Coins submitted to NGC with this appearance will receive the PL designation after the numeric grade on the NGC certification label.

Prooflike indicates that the surfaces exhibit a higher degree of reflectivity than is typically seen on a circulation-issue coin. The fields are mirrored and the devices may be frosted on both sides, reminiscent of a Proof coin.

https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/ngc/ngc-discovers-prooflike-surface-palladium-eagle-coins/

jwitten · October 10, 2017 8:12PM

Boom, sold out! Picked an extra up just in case.

BruceS · October 10, 2017 8:30PM

@CascadeChris said:
Anybody buy a 70PL one yet?

Here's one, wow.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/2017-25-1-oz-Palladium-Eagle-NGC-MS-70-PL-PROOFLIKE-First-day-of-Issue-/302478406662?epid=25006490063&hash=item466d1e3406:g:7WMAAOSwG7lZ1wUo&_trkparms=pageci%3A0f3c453e-ae34-11e7-a1a1-74dbd1805535%7Cparentrq%3A0978b8e115f0a9c1147a85defffc9a95%7Ciid%3A15

Gluggo · October 10, 2017 8:37PM

Here is a pic of the NGC that came intoday. Don't see any rim dings.

Gluggo · October 10, 2017 8:38PM

The other side.

CascadeChris · October 10, 2017 10:34PM

@BruceS said:

@CascadeChris said:
Anybody buy a 70PL one yet?

Here's one, wow.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/2017-25-1-oz-Palladium-Eagle-NGC-MS-70-PL-PROOFLIKE-First-day-of-Issue-/302478406662?epid=25006490063&hash=item466d1e3406:g:7WMAAOSwG7lZ1wUo&_trkparms=pageci%3A0f3c453e-ae34-11e7-a1a1-74dbd1805535%7Cparentrq%3A0978b8e115f0a9c1147a85defffc9a95%7Ciid%3A15

Holy crap. And correct me if I'm wrong but the only people profiting off of PL's will be the AP's correct? That doesn't seem fair at all. And people complain about an offering where everyone has a chance, if only for a minute or two. This is worse!

Overdate · October 10, 2017 11:47PM

We need fractionals!

Raufus · October 11, 2017 6:42AM

Those NGCs look great. I'll call APMEX today about mine. Ugh!!

ricko · October 11, 2017 6:52AM

A beautiful coin... and I will say it here again. The reverse is really fantastic, and I would love to see the ASE redesigned with this reverse - while maintaining the same obverse. That would be a very impressive coin. Cheers, RickO

Sweetpie · October 11, 2017 7:03AM

@jwitten said:
Seems like a decent price on a raw:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-1-oz-Palladium-American-Eagle-25-Coin-BU-/202068927684?hash=item2f0c3f24c4:g:34EAAOSw3G1ZzrbH

yike!
The price just went up $100 to $1192 on these out of stock items.

TwoSides2aCoin · October 11, 2017 7:19AM

Old hat. New blood.

2017 Palladium Eagle (PDE) in hand and unboxing

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