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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1987WheatCent said:

    @Gazes said:

    @1987WheatCent said:
    I find DL's pursuit to be quite vain, to be honest. To spend this much money on a coin collection, only to flaunt it in a popular coin forum, is questionable to me. He is not furthering the numismatic community with his egotistical pursuit, and instead is just using this as a means to get more famous. Hopefully I am wrong, but these are my humble thoughts on the matter.

    Couldn't disagree more. First of all he does not "flaunt" it in this forum---in fact he rarely posts on this forum. He does use the registry just like thousands of other collectors. Honestly, I would hate if Mr. Hansen was buying all these coins secretly and the collecting community had no idea where they were, who had them, etc. In fact, but for the registry there are some coins we would never know existed except for Mr. Hansen's openness.

    Thank you for your thoughts, @Gazes . While I understand your point of view, I disagree. Think of it like this - wouldn't we all love to live in a world where people climbed Everest for the challenge of it, and did not proceed to post about it online or tell anyone about it? This is akin to that situation; it would be best if people did not pursue such vain endeavors.

    It would appear you have issues with the forum, since they posted about this collection, not DL. I am glad I do not live in the same world you live in.

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    You should ban this guy. ☺ Hansen loves coins. He has money. He is 100% not egotistical. I met him once.
    Nice, normal person. If I had his money, why not? He loves coins so he buys what he wants.
    I have lots of coins. I like them as well. I prefer to look at coins over stocks, bonds and other investments.
    If I did not have the coins I would have more of this "stuff" and real estate.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My, the grapes are sour this morning.
    The forum ...exists... to document the progress of collections.
    It's a source of education and INFORMATION.
    The information may be the progress of a collection or a technical grading question.

    What it is not is a psychiatric venue.
    Although, I am completely sane. Kinda. :D

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2020 8:07AM

    Hansen isn’t flaunting in the forums so much as posting in the Set Registry which a lot of people do. It just so happens he's building a complete U.S. coin collection which fascinates a lot of people.

    I also think what he is doing is great for collecting and getting people excited about coins. It's a wonderful thing for the hobby.

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  • SrotagSrotag Posts: 23 ✭✭
    edited January 31, 2020 9:13AM

    "My humble thoughts are literally the exact opposite of yours but to each their own etc. He's not vain at all. He doesn't flaunt anything at all. He is a positive to the numismatic community. No one gets famous collecting coins".> @PhilLynott said:

    Could not agree more and your last statement says it all. If Hanson was doing this for fame and vanity, he would NOT be collecting coins. He would be buying $100,000,000+ art or famous office buildings like the Empire in NYC. THOSE transactions make national and worldwide headlines--not collecting coins. I bet 99.99% of the people not involved in the coin community know nothing about Hanson's endeavor.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The politics of envy.....

    Seated Half Society member #38
    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @MathandBikes said:
    Are there any plans to start showcasing pieces of this set at various shows?

    I’ve never traveled outside of the state for a show but I know if Hansen’s set (some part of it at least) was being shown then I’d likely purchase my first flight for a coin show.

    We've actually done a few displays of sets at recent national shows. Our next planned display will be at the DLRC Booth at the ANA World's Fair of Money in Pittsburgh. At last year's ANA in Chicago, we displayed the #1 rated Proof Trade Dollar Set including the finest known 1884 and 1885 Proof issues.

    Finest graded

    rated = graded

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For myself I've never thought of his pursuit any differently than any other collector chasing their goal. I've been following his pursuit and have enjoyed each step. These examples shown herein are some of the most impressive/superb coinage one could witness. Furthermore, it's made many of us "commoners" here feel like we are part of his active quest for the best. Brought many of us into his fold. Thanks for letting us ride the wave.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:
    1795 $5 Small Eagle MS62 (Gold Shield)
    PCGS Coin #8066 / PCGS Serial #36068839
    PCGS 28/18, PCGS Price Guide Value $145,000

    David Akers comments: Although not particularly scarce by Half Eagle standards, the 1795 Small Eagle is nevertheless a relatively high priced coin due to its status as the first U.S. gold coin and its popularity as a type coin. It is much more common than the other dates of this type and is fairly obtainable in AU-Unc. condition. Gems, that is MS-65 or better coins, are rare but still occasionally available. Proof-like surfaces are the norm rather than the exception but no true proofs exist. There are, however, several first strike specimens that have the characteristics of "presentation" pieces.
    One interesting variety exists with the second S in STATES over the letter D. This variety, although more rare than the varieteies with the plain S, does not generally command a premium.

    Beautiful coin! I love this type and I'm glad Dell Loy chose the reverse to be on his custom insert.

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    Good day,
    Any new updates? Would it be improper to point out coins that DLH needs?
    There is one on the DLRC site an 1895 PR68CAM PCGS/CAC .50. He has a 66+DCAM.
    https://www.davidlawrence.com/rare-coin/1981520

  • privaterarecoincollectorprivaterarecoincollector Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2020 1:53AM

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2020 3:41AM

    @Perfection said:
    Good day,
    Any new updates? Would it be improper to point out coins that DLH needs?
    There is one on the DLRC site an 1895 PR68CAM PCGS/CAC .50. He has a 66+DCAM.
    https://www.davidlawrence.com/rare-coin/1981520

    While it can be said that Mr. Hansen “needs” certain coins in order to fulfill his quest, I don’t think he “needs” that one. 😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s a nice 61-S

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    That’s a nice 61-S

    Yep. Love that look/color profile on the S-mint half eagles of that era. Tough coins.

  • Just from some casual browsing:
    -- Jefferson Nickels Basic Set, Proof (1938-1964): Two of the coins in the #2 set (the 1940 PR68 and the 1956 PR68+DCAM) score higher than the ones in the #1 set (PR67+ and PR68DCAM).
    -- Washington Quarters Basic Set, Proof (1936-1964): One coin in the #2 set (1951 PR67+) scores higher than the one in the #1 set (PR67).
    -- Franklin Half Dollars Basic Set, Proof (1950-1963): Two of the coins in the #2 set (the 1952 PR67CAM and the 1955 PR68DCAM) score higher than the ones in the #1 set (PR65DCAM and PR67DCAM).

    Trying to keep these straight must drive JB's folks crazy. Scary to think what others there are and what true scores may be. Maybe PCGS will start giving out badges for volunteers to find these.

  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He had the higher graded 1896 Liberty Nickel in the second set for a while, but did get that one straitened out

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While I appreciate all of the upgrades Hansen is making to his collection, his re-marketing of his dupes as "Hansen Collection" coins is not in good taste. Although they are are all fine quality coins, they are sub-standard relative to the quality of his Registry Set coins. In fact, a current provenance should not be represented on PCGS labels. If I were to by one, I would certainly send it back to PCGS for reholder. Using a premature and subordinate provenance on resell holders is not in good taste.

    OINK

  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think almost everyone here is thinking of a certain coin coming up next month. (1854-S half eagle).

    Will this end up in the Hansen set? And what is going to happen with the 1822?

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2020 5:39PM

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    While I appreciate all of the upgrades Hansen is making to his collection, his re-marketing of his dupes as "Hansen Collection" coins is not in good taste. Although they are are all fine quality coins, they are sub-standard relative to the quality of his Registry Set coins. In fact, a current provenance should not be represented on PCGS labels. If I were to by one, I would certainly send it back to PCGS for reholder. Using a premature and subordinate provenance on resell holders is not in good taste.

    OINK

    Do other collectors do similar things? I read that Ted Naftzger had a lot of pedigreed coins that he only owned for a short period of time. The following was posted by @Sunnywood on Ted's pedigree:

    @Sunnywood said:
    Naftzger owned an awful lot of large cents, including many that were held only for a short time, as he actively traded and bartered them. So a "Naftzger pedigree" sometimes means a coin that he owned only for a month. If you weed those out, and consider the coins that he had for years, then you're onto something ... the ones he held onto are the good ones !!

    Holmes and Husak were also great collectors, and all of those pedigrees should be respected !!

    Best,
    Sunnywood

    I personally don't mind and like that Hansen is associating his name with these coins. To me, the more information the better, especially as we enter an era where a traceable history for coins is becoming increasingly important. If a lower quality coin has a pedigree, it's still easy to tell it's lower quality. If a coin has lost its pedigree, it can be hard to get it back. I also like the fact that on many coins, he's the first named collector.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice gold!

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    While I appreciate all of the upgrades Hansen is making to his collection, his re-marketing of his dupes as "Hansen Collection" coins is not in good taste. Although they are are all fine quality coins, they are sub-standard relative to the quality of his Registry Set coins. In fact, a current provenance should not be represented on PCGS labels. If I were to by one, I would certainly send it back to PCGS for reholder. Using a premature and subordinate provenance on resell holders is not in good taste.

    OINK

    .
    From my observation, I don’t think Mr. Hansen is slabbing for marketing purposes. There is a website that is actively marketing his duplicates. You will find many of his coins on the site that is not in Hansen Slabs. But, you are right, many of them are. In his last large slabbing effort (about 5000 coins), I was told they were done for presentation purposes. He did not slab duplicates and many of the moderns were not slabbed. If you prefer coins that are not in Hansen holders, I think you will be able to find some Hansen duplicates that are not. In my personal opinion, coins outside the condition census top 5 to top 10, the pedigree serves lesser of a purpose. If a coin was retired in a PCGS HOF set, I think that is neat to know. Many can still be tracked by Cert #s.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just an observation: as a part of its recent weekly giveaway, CoinWeek recently gave out a 1963 50c PCGS/CAC PR 68 in a Hansen holder. Not sure how the organization procures their coins for the contest, but apparently the holder was not of such massive value in this case to prevent it from being included in this event.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChopmarkedTrades said:
    Just an observation: as a part of its recent weekly giveaway, CoinWeek recently gave out a 1963 50c PCGS/CAC PR 68 in a Hansen holder. Not sure how the organization procures their coins for the contest, but apparently the holder was not of such massive value in this case to prevent it from being included in this event.

    I don’t think a name on a holder is going to add much value to a $50 coin.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great eagles!

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's a lot of Hansen coins on eBay currently.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms70 said:
    There's a lot of Hansen coins on eBay currently.

    Even more on our website!

    John Brush
    President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
    email: John@davidlawrence.com
    2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @ms70 said:
    There's a lot of Hansen coins on eBay currently.

    Even more on our website!

    Hmm...

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:

    @ms70 said:
    There's a lot of Hansen coins on eBay currently.

    Even more on our website!

    I know..... I just got one of them from you! :)

    A gorgeous 1836 half dime!

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Update

    1875 Eagle: Crazy low-mintage of just 200 business strikes and by far the rarest date in the series with just 7/8 or so known
    Hansen Coin: 1875 Eagle PCGS PR63CAM POP 1/4, No circulation strike specimen
    Eliasberg Coin: 1875 Eagle Est. XF45 PCGS (John Dannreuther notes it is actually an altered date)
    Eliasberg Coin: 1875 Eagle NGC PR64, PCGS list as est. PR63, may be the best 1875 in the grouping.

    I stumbled across this a couple weeks ago, but forgot to include in the Sunday posting. It would be interesting if someone can do additional research to determine more about this issue.

    Note from recent Heritage Auction: This coin has been listed in previous rosters, but John Dannreuther notes it is actually an altered date:

    XF45. Possibly Louis Eliasberg, Sr.; H.R. Lee Collection (Stack's, 10/1947), lot 1530; James A. Stack; James Stack Collection (Stack's, 3/1995), lot 610.

    Ron Guth, you know any additional details on this comment?

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2020 4:49PM

    The Feb 2018 Heritage auction lists these items in the roster:

    1. XF45 PCGS. James and Margaret Carter Collection (Stack's, 1/1986), lot 270; Public Auction Sale (Stack's, 10/1988), lot 126; ANA Signature (Heritage, 7/1997), lot 5510.
    2. XF45. Possibly Louis Eliasberg, Sr.; H.R. Lee Collection (Stack's, 10/1947), lot 1530; James A. Stack; James Stack Collection (Stack's, 3/1995), lot 610.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/a/1272-4292.s

    The provenance on PCGS CoinFacts by Ron Guth has the Eliasberg XF45 coin as a mix of #6 and #7 (most recently #6):

    5 XF45 PCGS grade
    Louis E. Eliasberg Collection - Stack’s “H.R. Lee” 10/1947 - James & Margaret Carter Collection - Stack's 1/1986:270, $25,300 - Stack's 10/1988:126 (wrongly attributed to Amon Carter, Jr.), $40,700 - Diocese of Buffalo - Heritage 7/1997:5510, $61,900

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1875-10/8672

    I'm not sure which coin (6 or 7) John Dannreuther's remark is directed to.

    There are large photos of coin #6 in the July 1997 Heritage catalog:
    https://archive.org/details/ana97ny0000heri/page/43/mode/1up black & white
    https://archive.org/details/ana97ny0000heri/page/n22/mode/1up color

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    JB caught one of the big HA fish tonight. We should see an update soon.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see that 2 of the 4 needed for the 1792-1964 set sold tonight (albeit one in an NGC holder).

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • ChopmarkedTradesChopmarkedTrades Posts: 524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And the Pogue 1854-S $5 crosses the block in Baltimore next month. I think Hansen will be a bit more interested in that coin than the 'Discovery' specimen he passed on previously.

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