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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's like Better Call Saul. We need new episodes. ;)

  • RedCopperRedCopper Posts: 173 ✭✭✭

    Word is DLH will be making an appearance at FUN. Perhaps we’ll hear more about some of his new purchases after the show .

  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 626 ✭✭✭

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:
    Basically my whole collection that has been sold since then.

    Any coins you miss or regret selling?

    there are a few I miss like 1794 half cent, the 1796 cent and the 1795 Eagle. At the same time its fun for me to think about what to do next in the coin universe :smile:

    I thought you were keeping the 1795 $10?

    Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ablinky said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:
    Basically my whole collection that has been sold since then.

    Any coins you miss or regret selling?

    there are a few I miss like 1794 half cent, the 1796 cent and the 1795 Eagle. At the same time its fun for me to think about what to do next in the coin universe :smile:

    I thought you were keeping the 1795 $10?

    https://coinweek.com/us-coins/50-million-gold-eagle-tyrant-collection-exhibit-at-february-long-beach-expo/

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2019 8:54AM

    ...

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @Ablinky said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:
    Basically my whole collection that has been sold since then.

    Any coins you miss or regret selling?

    there are a few I miss like 1794 half cent, the 1796 cent and the 1795 Eagle. At the same time its fun for me to think about what to do next in the coin universe :smile:

    I thought you were keeping the 1795 $10?

    https://coinweek.com/us-coins/50-million-gold-eagle-tyrant-collection-exhibit-at-february-long-beach-expo/

    side bar to that read:
    Amazing in this day and age, how anyone could remain anonymous, with a fifty million dollar collection. Amazingly cool.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    ...

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @Ablinky said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:
    Basically my whole collection that has been sold since then.

    Any coins you miss or regret selling?

    there are a few I miss like 1794 half cent, the 1796 cent and the 1795 Eagle. At the same time its fun for me to think about what to do next in the coin universe :smile:

    I thought you were keeping the 1795 $10?

    https://coinweek.com/us-coins/50-million-gold-eagle-tyrant-collection-exhibit-at-february-long-beach-expo/

    side bar to that read:
    Amazing in this day and age, how anyone could remain anonymous, with a fifty million dollar collection. Amazingly cool.

    That’s a small part of the overall collection. One of the Greatest Ever...

  • neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    Something else that I appreciate about Mr Hansen is that he is building a historic collection in public and with transparency. Some major collections will always be private and others are only made public after completion or when sold. What Hansen is doing is a bit unique. The downside for him is we see all the mistakes, we often know the price paid, we know the coins he needs, etc. Others who have built major collections certainly have made mistakes or may have overpaid but we don't see it. Mr. Hansen seems to be confident enough not to worry about any of this. The upside for Mr Hansen is I believe he is having a blast sharing this with everyone and the upside for collectors is having a ringside seat for this remarkable achievement.

    Well said. Fine if he doesn't have the best collection ever yet. He's showing very few signs of slowing down.

    I enjoy the critiques from different members that may know particular series better than Hansen or any of us. It has the potential to elevate the discussion.

    IG: DeCourcyCoinsEbay: neilrobertson
    "Numismatic categorizations, if left unconstrained, will increase spontaneously over time." -me

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If one doesn’t know that market, one won’t realize that one almost always has to ‘overpay’ to get a great early coin. One might be more comfortable ‘overpaying’ less for a 19th century condition rarity or stepping up big for a transient pop 1 semi modern.

  • NapNap Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am I the only one turned off by the continued promotion of the monetary value of the Tyrant collection?

    It’s obviously a terrific collection, and has some spectacular ancient and world coins, to go along with US. I am particularly in awe of the British coins. But it’s not all about monetary value and worth.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2019 2:07PM

    @Nap said:
    Am I the only one turned off by the continued promotion of the monetary value of the Tyrant collection?

    It’s obviously a terrific collection, and has some spectacular ancient and world coins, to go along with US. I am particularly in awe of the British coins. But it’s not all about monetary value and worth.

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Like it or not, it grabs the general public’s attention and is what non collectors pay attention to...so it’s good for the hobby in that it might attract some new collectors

    That might be true but is that on topic for this particular thread?

    Perhaps there could be another thread on the best way to capture entice collectors with big dollar collections, especially as it relates to collections other than Hansen's?

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Forgive me - I didn’t know that I needed permission to respond to a post here. /eyeroll

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2019 2:14PM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    If one doesn’t know that market, one won’t realize that one almost always has to ‘overpay’ to get a great early coin. One might be more comfortable ‘overpaying’ less for a 19th century condition rarity or stepping up big for a transient pop 1 semi modern.

    I agree this is the case, especially in a mature market with strong hands, but I've also seen a few major rarities sell for less after previous buyers ‘overpaid’. Timing, opportunity, and desire all go into how much one is willing to or needs to ‘overpay’.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2019 2:11PM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Forgive me - I didn’t know that I needed permission to respond to a post here. /eyeroll

    Well, we all need permission from our hosts. I like your posts and don't want to see anything happen here, especially after all the Simpson posts in this thread previously, which was unfortunate.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Forgive me - I didn’t know that I needed permission to respond to a post here. /eyeroll

    Well, we all need permission from our hosts. I like your posts and don't want to see anything happen here, especially after all the Simpson posts in this thread previously, which was unfortunate.

    Pffft. Apples and oranges

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @Zoins said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Forgive me - I didn’t know that I needed permission to respond to a post here. /eyeroll

    Well, we all need permission from our hosts. I like your posts and don't want to see anything happen here, especially after all the Simpson posts in this thread previously, which was unfortunate.

    Pffft. Apples and oranges

    I see more than a passing resemblance but post away. I was just offering a suggestion.

  • RedCopperRedCopper Posts: 173 ✭✭✭

    Generally Speaking
    Tyrant continually exhibits his coins
    at the Long Beach for the public to see
    Hansen really only exhibits his coins
    On the PCGS message boards and the PCGS Set Registry web site.
    Like I said before , perhaps it is time for Hansen to exhibit some of his sets at major shows and invite people with same sets to exhibit
    their sets.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2019 2:41PM

    @RedCopper said:
    Generally Speaking
    Tyrant continually exhibits his coins
    at the Long Beach for the public to see
    Hansen really only exhibits his coins
    On the PCGS message boards and the PCGS Set Registry web site.
    Like I said before , perhaps it is time for Hansen to exhibit some of his sets at major shows and invite people with same sets to exhibit
    their sets.

    I think having Hansen display his set publicly is a great discussion and could be very beneficial for the hobby. I think your idea of having a few sets displayed together could be very interesting.

    However, just because one person does something, that isn't necessarily a reason for someone else to do the same. For example, if Hansen collects non-anonymously, should Tyrant do the same? If Hansen has public registry sets, should RSD and Blay do the same?

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    DLH displayed a set last year at fun. I think it was seated dollars.
    I also believe his trade dollars were at one show.
    Who cares,if this is goes off ,topic at times. So what. This is probably one of the most read posts so why not discuss other topics within reason. I rarely read other posts.
    Yes one usually must over pay and yes if that person sells too soon the coin can go for lass.
    Just saw the Pogue sale email. I did not realize there were more coins. Anyone know the highlights? Maybe that is off,topic? -:)

  • @btcollects said:
    I gotta ask... How does that conversation go? "John Brush, I'm selling my HOF type set, does your client want to buy anything?" How did we get to the point where the biggest buyer of top end coins doesn't buy most of these once-every-10-or-20-year coins? Is it a clash of personalities, or is it as simple as a matter of price? In the land of quarter million dollar mercury dimes, the price explanation doesn't make sense to me. Is that the point?

    I really dont know, but no clash of personalities. He bought for about a million or so, but mostly more modern coins.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 1:56AM

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Like it or not, it grabs the general public’s attention and is what non collectors pay attention to...so it’s good for the hobby in that it might attract some new collectors

    Tyrant is an example really on how collecting done right. And its the biggest and greatest contemporary coin collection in existence.

    There are many "right" ways to collect. Personally, I love what Hansen is doing because it's much easier to enjoy and discuss online like we're doing, and the trend is towards more online participation than offline. I actually think it's pretty hard to enjoy the Tyrant collection online. For example, when I go to their website and click the menu for "The Collection", I'm not sure where to find the United States as it appears US coins are not part of the collection. The collection has 5 top level categories for geographic areas but nothing for the Americas.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 12:27AM

    @Perfection said:
    DLH displayed a set last year at fun. I think it was seated dollars.
    I also believe his trade dollars were at one show.
    Who cares,if this is goes off ,topic at times. So what. This is probably one of the most read posts so why not discuss other topics within reason. I rarely read other posts.
    Yes one usually must over pay and yes if that person sells too soon the coin can go for lass.
    Just saw the Pogue sale email. I did not realize there were more coins. Anyone know the highlights? Maybe that is off,topic? -:)

    The Pogue collection is / was amazing. We used to have rich Pogue threads here but perhaps it's a testament to the "Hansen Effect" on collecting that people want to talk about Pogue, Tyrant, and others in the context of Hansen's collection?

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Like it or not, it grabs the general public’s attention and is what non collectors pay attention to...so it’s good for the hobby in that it might attract some new collectors

    Tyrant is an example really on how collecting done right. And its the biggest and greatest contemporary coin collection in existence.

    He has the EID MAR Roman ancient, doesn't he? <3

  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Like it or not, it grabs the general public’s attention and is what non collectors pay attention to...so it’s good for the hobby in that it might attract some new collectors

    Tyrant is an example really on how collecting done right. And its the biggest and greatest contemporary coin collection in existence.

    He has the EID MAR Roman ancient, doesn't he? <3

    Yes, he has arguably the nicest one. I had hoped that example would come back on the market... alas.

    He's still building his ancient collection too (I've sold him a handful of pieces) - it'll be exciting to see where he takes it!

    Learn about our world's shared history told through the first millennium of coinage: Colosseo Collection
  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    Happy New Year!

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cladking said:

    Jeesh!

    I thought I didn't like the Barber design.

    I guess I never saw the whole thing before this.

    I agree. When I was a young collector going to local shows I thought the Barber series was the ugliest ever. That's because I never saw any high-grade coins. My opinion changed completely in the early 1970's when a 100% flawless, white, fully original, frosty half dollar (forgot the date) with no trace of friction under my microscope was sent to the service for authentication.

    PS I think it is pure NONSENSE that the TPGS will not assign the DCAM designation to DCAM coins that are toned. However, I am beginning to see their side.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @cladking said:

    Jeesh!

    I thought I didn't like the Barber design.

    I guess I never saw the whole thing before this.

    I agree. When I was a young collector going to local shows I thought the Barber series was the ugliest ever. That's because I never saw any high-grade coins. My opinion changed completely in the early 1970's when a 100% flawless, white, fully original, frosty half dollar (forgot the date) with no trace of friction under my microscope was sent to the service for authentication.

    PS I think it is pure NONSENSE that the TPGS will not assign the DCAM designation to DCAM coins that are toned. However, I am beginning to see their side.

    I believe I have seen toned coins labeled DCAM and/or UCAM

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    Yes there are toned dcams but very few. I assume the problem is how to know it is a dcam if it is well toned? White frosty original dcams are ok but most are not.
    Again the scoring favors dcams over toned cams so people have to buy them to score more.
    The scoring needs to be totally revamped but that is for another day. It is antiquated and just plain wrong.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd think it only natural that someone building a collection like Hansen's would have to slow down.
    He's acquired more coins than are in most dealer ...inventories.

    I do hope the thread continues with his newps and upgrades.
    It's entertaining and educational.

    :)

  • PerfectionPerfection Posts: 180 ✭✭✭

    can we discuss registry scoring just a little
    if a majority agree we can preset to pcgs
    I will send the major problem with it tomorrow

  • NicNic Posts: 3,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Perfection said:
    can we discuss registry scoring just a little
    if a majority agree we can preset to pcgs
    I will send the major problem with it tomorrow

    Hopefully, if you do so, it will be in a new thread.

    Could not agree more.

  • JFK_CollectorJFK_Collector Posts: 110 ✭✭✭
    edited January 1, 2020 10:20PM

    @privaterarecoincollector said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Like it or not, it grabs the general public’s attention and is what non collectors pay attention to...so it’s good for the hobby in that it might attract some new collectors

    Tyrant is an example really on how collecting done right. And its the biggest and greatest contemporary coin collection in existence.

    Does this include when there are “known” mechanical error(s) listed in the set(s) being displayed?

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2020 5:36PM

    How do you compare uniqueness?

    As we start a New Year, sometimes we engage in reflection. The last couple weeks, have been a great time for me spend time with family and, in my thoughts. After reading some of the recent postings, it appears to me that very smart people in the numismatics community can be very puzzling to a novice as I. One explanation is that when you are so involved in a life time endeavor (profession) and have such an invested interest (financial livelihood), it is hard to overcome your personal biases (my way is the only way) when someone does something so inverse to what is considered normal. This leads to the question to consider: How do you compare uniqueness?

    I recently purchased an old auction catalog on eBay tilted: William Cutter Atwater Collection (1946). This was an early attempt by a collector to complete the US Issues Collection (As Hansen is attempting to do today). He can close. B. Max Mehl, cataloger and seller, described Atwater’s attempt as: comprising of each date and branch mint coins minted in gold, silver, copper from the first year of mintage in 1793 to 1920 (with only three or four exceptions) including the celebrated Stickney 1804 Dollar and the Idler 1804 Dollar, Second Variety (first time in numismatic history when both varieties of this great coin are offered in one sale). The sale was held June 11th, 1946. The grand total of this celebrated sale was $153,514.60. This is the largest sum ever realized for a Coin Collection ever sold at auction in the United Sates. And as far as I know in the world. (B. Max Mehl).

    PCGS has only 15 Inductees in the Hall of Fame for Complete US Collections, with only a handful would qualify in the past 50 years, Eliasberg, Garrett, Norweb, and Pittman. The only collector this century is Hansen (so far). Recently, there have been numerous attempts to compare Hansen to the specialist collectors of today. One expert ranked The D. L. Hansen Collection at number 9. My question, how can you make that comparison with any degree of unbiased objectivity? You can pick portions of The D. L. Hansen Collection and compare, i.e., you could compare Hansen’s early collection to Pogue, or patterns to Simpson, or his ancient collection to Tyrant (yes, Hansen has a nice collection of ancient coins). But, my question, who do you compare “The Total Collection” to anyone other than Eliasberg, Atwater, or the other dozen of Hall of Famers for Complete Sets? When you think of Tyrant (Ancient), Simpson (Patterns), Hansen (US Issues), all which have great collections, they really have uniqueness when trying to compare to other collectors today. If you disagree, please elaborate.

    The last few weeks, Mr. Hansen and team have been cleaning up and organizing. I have not reported much about it, because there in not much new. One year ago, Hansen spent during this time cleaning up his moderns. This year they have been a cleaning up sets. A few mint sets was added to registry the past couple days. I thought I would show a couple to you. It is a good demonstration of the Hansen uniqueness. He added two complete sets 145 years apart! One an early coinage set, and the other is considered a Complete Condition Census Top 5 Modern Set. Who is anther collector today that can we compare this too?

    1970 Mint Set with Major Varieties

    This 12 coin set: The mint set for 1970 was rather oddly made up. It contained three cents from the major mints, nickels from Denver and San Francisco, dimes and quarters from Philadelphia and Denver, and a 1970-D half dollar, struck only for mint sets. The Major Variety set includes both the Small and Large dates for the 1970-S cent, the Small Date being the key. PCGS values this set at $22,500. Yes, you read that correctly, the modern 12 coin set is valued at $22,500! The most inexpensive coin is the 1970 Philadelphia cent at $185. The most valuable is the half dollar at $5,000.

    1825 Mint Set with Gold

    The Mint Set for 1825 is a nice, well balanced set with five coins. The Half Cent returned after a 14-year hiatus but the fairly low mintage makes this a slightly better date, especially in higher grade. Likewise, the Cent, Dime and Quarter are also slightly scarcer than the most common dates, but are by no means rare. The Half is common. Of course the gold will naturally be a challenge as the two denominations, the Quarter and Half Eagle, were struck on a weight standard that resulted in them being worth slightly more than face value shortly after their manufacture, and consequently nearly all were melted in the late 1820s and early 1830s.

    This set has a PCGS value of $160,000. The most inexpensive coin is the 1825 half cent at $2,000. The most valuable is the gold quarter eagle at $50,000. After looking at these two years, just keep any mind, Hansen have another 225 years to cover in his near complete collection. I will be interested to see who you will make this comparison with. Is there anybody?

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2020 5:05PM

    @Currin said:
    1848 CAL. Quarter Eagle, MS63+ (Gold Shield)
    PCGS Coin #7749 / PCGS Serial #27639982
    PCGS POP 4/18, PCGS Price Guide Value $195,000

    The CAL quarter eagle is a very interesting coin. This might be the first coin I've seen in CoinFacts where there are no photos of any of the Condition Census coins. The 10 coins in the Condition Census range from MS68 to MS65 and the top photographed coin is a MS64.

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1848-2-50-cal/7749/63

    1848 CAL. Quarter Eagle, PCGS MS66 - Clapp-Eliasberg Specimen

    The Eliasberg coin also is not noted in the PCGS Coin Facts Condition Census but it listed in the original Coin Facts Condition Census as the following:

    PCGS MS-66 (illustrated above). Ex - Clapp - Eliasberg, Lot 145, sold for $41,800.00 - Auction '85, Lot 923, sold for $46,200.00 - Hanks & Associates - Great Lakes collection - Mike Storeim

    Heritage offered this coin in their 1992 ANA Sale.

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