The first coins that Mr. Hansen posted from 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando were Peace Dollars. It appears from the updates posted in his Peace Dollar sets, he purchase these high end graded specimens last night. Two of the coins went directly into his Top Set, 1921 High Relief and 1922-D Peace Dollars. The third coin, 1923-D Peace Dollar was placed in his second set, Diana's Set of Peace Dollars. With this purchase, he now have two 1923-D MS66+ POP 12/1 specimens. Both 1923-D specimens are CAC approved. These coins are from the Illinois Collection of Peace Dollars. The realized price from the three coins was about $160,000. PCGS values the coins approx. $260,000.
With these upgrades, the Hansen Collection of Peace Dollars moves closer to the retired PCGS Hall of Fame All-Time top set, California 1. The set retired a couple months ago, but I am not sure where these coins are. Will they show in auction soon? Do not know, if anyone can share some light, please do so.
Heritage Auction Description:This Superb Gem High Relief Peace dollar has ranked among two different highly rated PCGS Registry Sets, including the MBJ Set and now the Illinois Set, the latter of which is the all-time fifth highest-rated Peace dollar set in the PCGS Registry. The coin is more than a full grade point finer than the piece represented in the current highest-ranked Registry Set. PCGS has certified only five other pieces in MS67, with none finer (11/19), and even that trivial number may include one or two duplications from crossovers. We have seen only four different Superb Gem 1921 Peace dollars in PCGS holders, plus a handful of coins in NGC holders. NGC currently lists seven grading events in MS67, again, including possible duplication, and again, with none finer (11/19). The technical and aesthetic aspects of this piece are every bit the equal of its numeric grade. Frosted luster glistens across each side, showcasing virtually flawless preservation throughout without so much as a light graze evident on Liberty's well-defined cheek. Crescents of sun-gold toning grace both the Liberty portrait and the eagle on both sides, while flecks of russet, violet, and amber speckle the peripheries; the remainder of each side displays pearlescent luminance. Central strike sharpness is above average for this issue, and that attribute is always an area of scrutiny for collectors seeking a High Relief Peace dollar. Simply a gorgeous coin, second to none and barely equaled by its peers.
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. 1922-D Silver Dollar, MS67 A Legend Among Peace Dollars High Condition Census PCGS Rarity The Glittering CoinFacts Plate Coin Certification #37728051, PCGS #7358, POP 3/0 EX: Illinois Collection, PCGS Value: $100,000
Heritage Auction Description:The quality and importance of the current offering of Peace dollars is perhaps fully embodied in this one coin. The 1922-D Peace dollar is a formidable rarity in Superb Gem condition, such that only three coins are so graded at PCGS. Discussions concerning this issue's collectibility often cease at the MS66+ level, since acquiring a PCGS-graded Superb Gem is usually an unrealistic endeavor. Indeed, a glance at the current highest-rated Peace dollar sets in the PCGS Registry reveals many MS66+ coins, but not a single MS67. Even the current highest-ranked Registry Set -- the D.L. Hansen Collection -- settles for an MS66+. The reason is simply because this date in MS67 PCGS can be considered a Holy Grail of sorts for the Peace dollar series -- highly desired, but seen so infrequently at auction as to make one wonder if such coins actually exist. This piece differs from many Gem and finer 1922-D Peace dollars in that it does not show the circular die cracks on the obverse, which link many high-grade survivors to a single die pair and perhaps a single delivery. This piece is from a different die pair, and likely a different striking period in 1922. The absence of the commonly seen cracks does not preclude a late die state, though, since the astute specialist will immediately notice this coin's textured obverse, which is characteristic of a worn die. However, this die wear has the intriguing effect of producing more radiant cartwheel luster than Peace dollars of any date typically display. Luster abounds on this coin, and it is almost flawlessly preserved. Not even a trace of toning detracts from the glittering surfaces and sharply rendered devices. Eye appeal lacks nothing on this, one of our favorite coins from the Illinois Set Registry collection. We encourage bidders to come prepared for competition when this coin crosses the auction block. Registry collectors know well how small the likelihood is that another, comparable example will be seen any time soon.
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. 1923-D Peace Dollar, MS66+ CAC Approval, Condition Census Certification #37728054, PCGS #7361, POP 12/1 EX: Illinois Collection, PCGS Value: $17,500
Heritage Auction Description:While the Philadelphia issue of this year is plentiful in MS66 and collectible even in MS67, the 1923-D Peace dollar is scarce in this grade and nearly unknown finer. The present coin stands apart from most of its peers with a Plus designation, being one of only a dozen coins at PCGS with such recognition, while a lone Superb Gem is finer. This piece is plated on PCGS CoinFacts. Dazzling cartwheel luster engulfs the brilliant, beautifully preserved surfaces, highlighting the devices, which show impeccable sharpness for this issue. A loupe finds each side remarkably clean -- hence the Plus designation and CAC endorsement -- although a lone, tiny mark just behind Liberty's eye serves as a pedigree marker. Although one numerically finer 1923-D Peace dollar is reported, this high-end Premium Gem is tied for the finest endorsed by CAC, and therefore it is an important coin for the Registry collector.
It's great that Hansen is adding provenance to these otherwise unattributed coins!
Peace Dollar Upgrades
The first coins that Mr. Hansen posted from 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando were Peace Dollars. It appears from the updates posted in his Peace Dollar sets, he purchase these high end graded specimens last night. Two of the coins went directly into his Top Set, 1921 High Relief and 1922-D Peace Dollars. The third coin, 1923-D Peace Dollar was placed in his second set, Diana's Set of Peace Dollars. With this purchase, he now have two 1923-D MS66+ POP 12/1 specimens. Both 1923-D specimens are CAC approved. These coins are from the Illinois Collection of Peace Dollars. The realized price from the three coins was about $160,000. PCGS values the coins approx. $260,000.
That's a big difference in PCGS coin value and realized price. I wonder if that will bring the PCGS values down?
With these upgrades, the Hansen Collection of Peace Dollars moves closer to the retired PCGS Hall of Fame All-Time top set, California 1. The set retired a couple months ago, but I am not sure where these coins are. Will they show in auction soon? Do not know, if anyone can share some light, please do so.
That's interesting to note. I'd be curious as to what happened to this set as well.
The auction was mostly week except for most of the Cac coins which for the most part did better. It seems that except for certain or special coins prices are off by 20%. This is cac as well.
Look at the high reliefs, the 1896 67 dcam cac 20, fhe bust halves. All low.
I do not think Pcgs or cdn will lower prices based on one auction or month.
However soon or later pcgs will need to list cac prices If they don't it is difficult for many
regular people to understand prices realized.
This was a good week for Hansen. He won three coins outright and the other two I determined to be a tie. The first coin was a Dahlonega issue three dollar. Hansen has one of the rare mint states in his collection. He has one of, if not the finest set of Three Dollar gold in mint state that has ever been assembled. If you have never seen this set, it is worth taking a look. The set is missing only the unique 1870-S issue that is owned by the Bass Foundation. Hansen Dahlonega specimen is one of two certified by PCGS MS61, with only the Pogue MS62 certified finer. Eliasberg coin was a XF45.
One of the two proofs in the comparison today, is the 1875 Three Dollar. Both great collectors indicated their specimens to be PCGS certified PR64CAM. This coin ended up as a tie. Hansen has a little better 1879 flowing Hair Stella. Hansen’s coin is a PR67 compared to Eliasberg’s PR66. Hansen’s 1795 Small Half Eagle is a MS62 compared to Eliasberg AU58.
The last coin compared is a two date comparison. Hansen has a 1798 MS63 Half Eagle, and Eliasberg had a 1799 MS63. The POP on Hansen’s MS63 is 4/4 which is better than Ellsberg’s 10/2. Or is it? I decided to declare a tie on the coins. The total value for Hansen’s five coins is $900,000. The result is another 3-0-2 win by Hansen. This increases Hansen’s overall lead.
1854-D Three Dollar:The only Dahlonega-issued coin of this type and a hugely popular coin.
Hansen Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar MS61 PCGS POP 2/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar est. XF45 POP 21/67
Hansen Won (1-0)
1875 Three Dollar:A Proof-only issue with a reported mintage of just 20. This was the first US gold coin to eclipse the $100k price barrier, all the way back in the 1970’s.
Hansen Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Tie (1-0-1)
1879 Flowing Hair Stella:Always in demand as a Trophy coin and an issue with an interesting back story.
Hansen Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella PCGS PR67 PCGS POP 1/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella est. PR66 POP 26/3
Hansen Won (2-0-1)
1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle:The very first date of this long-lived denomination and an issue which is more available than one might expect.
Hansen Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 28/18
Eliasberg Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU58 POP 42/77
Hansen Won (3-0-1)
1798 or 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagles:The two most affordable 18th century US gold coins and available in nice AU for a low five-figure cost.
Hansen Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 4/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU55 POP 28/50
Hansen Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS62+ PCGS POP 1/12
Eliasberg Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. MS63 POP 10/2
Hansen Won (3-0-2)
Eliasberg was shut out this week with no wins. Third stage was good for Hansen as he extends his overall lead to 9-4-2. As stated before, I have not looked ahead and do not know the results. It will be fascinating to watch as we have 35 more gold coins to compare. These will be the five coins that we will look at next week.
1813-1834 Half Eagle:The Fat Head type half eagle, probably my single favorite US coin design. The Collection with the best Fat Head will win. 1829 Small Planchet Half Eagle:First year of type and a great rarity in all grades. One of the few coins on this list I’ve never handled. 1838-C Half Eagle:First-year-of-issue from the brand new Charlotte Mint and a scarce one-year type to boot. 1838-D Half Eagle:A Wow coin for the exact same reasons as its counterpart the 1838-C half eagle. 1861-C Half Eagle:The final coin struck at this mint and an issue with plausible Civil War associations.
Hansen WOW Coins
1854-D Three Dollar MS61 (Gold Shield) PCGS Coin #7970 / PCGS Serial #30132476 PCGS POP 2/1, PCGS Price Guide Value $150,000
Ron Guth Comments: This is the only three dollar gold piece struck at the Dahlonega mint. It is undeniably one of the rarest in the series, ranking 12th in rarity according to number of appearances in our 238 catalogue auction survey and 6th according to rarity by average grade. All specimens that I have seen are very poorly struck with very little hair on the headdress detail and weak or missing denticles. The milling is also characteristically weak in places, particularly at twelve o'clock on the obverse. The effect is similar to when a loop has been removed but this weakness is present on every specimen I have encountered. Like the 1854, the 1854-D had small letters in the word DOLLARS. The mintmark is always unusually bold. Specimens of this date are usually grossly overgraded, partly because the date is a very rare one, but also because they are just hard to grade and the tendency with most auctioneers is to be optimistic when there is a doubt. I have seen several AU pieces but never an unequivocally mint state one. Even strictly graded EF specimens are very rare.
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. 1875 Three Dollar CAM PR64CAM (Gold Shield) PCGS Coin #88039/ PCGS Serial #29592906 PCGS POP 6/4, PCGS Price Guide Value $190,000
David Akers comments: Next to the legendary 1870-S, the 1875 is the most famous and highly desired three dollar gold piece. It has auction records as high as $150,000 (PCGS CoinFacts editors note: Remember this was written in 1976), although, as the auction records conclusively show, it is not nearly as rare as the 1873 Open 3 and is, in fact, one of the more common dates in proof prior to the 1880's! Certainly, it has been offered for sale many more times than the 1874 or 1878 which have identical reported mintages of 20 pieces. This apparent discrepancy is answered by the fact that the claimed mintage of 20 for the 1875 is not really accurate since more than 20 pieces are known to exist. The term "restrike" has been used when discussing the 1875, but properly used, the term "restrike" denotes a coin that is struck in a year later than its date. Such has not been conclusively proven to be the case with the 1875 three dollar gold piece, and although there are differences between known specimens, it is more likely that they were merely struck at different times during the same year rather than in different years.
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. 1879 $4 Flowing Hair PR67 (Gold Shield) PCGS Coin #8057 / PCGS Serial #81058250 PCGS POP 1/1, PCGS Price Guide Value $350,000
David Akers Comments: Two designs were produced in 1879, one by Charles E. Barber, the other by George T. Morgan. Barber's flowing hair design was virtually an exact copy of a pattern half eagle (J-1574) designed by his father, William Barber, the preceding year. Fifteen pieces were struck in 1879 (the so-called "originals") and early in 1880, an additional 400 were struck at the request of the Coinage Committee. Since no hubs were available to duplicate the dies, the old dies with the 1879 date were used. These 400 pieces are the so-called "restrikes." They were officially offered to members of Congress and personal or political friends at the production cost ($6.50). Quite a furor was raised by coin collectors and dealers when they learned of this and considerable letter writting and publicity ensued. S.K. Harzfeld, a dealer, also learned in an interview with Superintendent A.L. Snowden, that 150 or the 415 pieces struck were still in the vaults of the Mint as late as October, 1880. As was the case in 1868 and 1874, the idea on an international gold coin was rejected by Congress and was not proposed again.
The 1879 flowing hair stella is the second most common of all U.S. gold patterns and it has appeared for sale many more times than any of the other stellas. Obviously, it is impossible to state exactly how many of the original 415 still exist, but for what one guess is worth, I would estimate that at least 300 to 350 are still around, although certainly many of them are impaired to some degree. Contrary to popular belief, the retrikes do not always weigh 103.2 grains and therefore, many are offered as one of the 15 "originals", often at an inflated price, when in reality they are one of the more common 400 restrikes. The restrikes are usually identifiable by light adjustment marks or striations on the head of Liberty.
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. 1795 $5 Small Eagle MS62 (Gold Shield) PCGS Coin #8066 / PCGS Serial #36068839 PCGS 28/18, PCGS Price Guide Value $145,000
David Akers comments: Although not particularly scarce by Half Eagle standards, the 1795 Small Eagle is nevertheless a relatively high priced coin due to its status as the first U.S. gold coin and its popularity as a type coin. It is much more common than the other dates of this type and is fairly obtainable in AU-Unc. condition. Gems, that is MS-65 or better coins, are rare but still occasionally available. Proof-like surfaces are the norm rather than the exception but no true proofs exist. There are, however, several first strike specimens that have the characteristics of "presentation" pieces. One interesting variety exists with the second S in STATES over the letter D. This variety, although more rare than the varieteies with the plain S, does not generally command a premium.
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. 1798 $5 BD-4 Large 8, 13 St Rev. MS63 (Gold Shield) PCGS Coin #507324 / PCGS Serial #32231606 PCGS POP 1/0, Estimate price $65,000
Ron Guth Comments: BD-4 is one of the Heraldic Eagle, Large 8 varieties with 13 stars on the reverse. Dannreuther called it "the most available of 1798 Large Eagle coins" but it is still a very scarce variety. Later states of the reverse die show rim cuds at ES of STATES and the O of OF. The strike quality of this variety is usually soft, particularly in the centers. We have yet to see a fully struck example, but there are a few that show most of the shield lines. Adjustment marks are rarely seen, but a PCGS MS63 example exists with rather extensive pre-strike filing on the reverse. High quality 1798 $5 BD-4's are very rare. The PCGS CoinFacts Condition Census of the top ten examples includes seven Mint State pieces, most of which are low-end Uncs. The star of this variety is an NGC MS64 example that sold in 2011 for a record $155,250. Another top example is in the Core Collection at the Harry W. Bass, Jr. Foundation Collection at the American Numismatic Association.
I just noticed that the Ex-Kate Anne / Illinois Set 1922-D Peace Dollar in PCGS MS67 had an interesting description. I guess they can't say that anymore!
Discussions concerning this issue's collectibility often cease at the MS66+ level, since acquiring a PCGS-graded Superb Gem is usually an unrealistic endeavor. Indeed, a glance at the current highest-rated Peace dollar sets in the PCGS Registry reveals many MS66+ coins, but not a single MS67. Even the current highest-ranked Registry Set -- the D.L. Hansen Collection -- settles for an MS66+. The reason is simply because this date in MS67 PCGS can be considered a Holy Grail of sorts for the Peace dollar series -- highly desired, but seen so infrequently at auction as to make one wonder if such coins actually exist.
I like the 54-D but can't say that I like the early gold. Clearly they have been lightened, especially the 1795. Is the 1798 the coin noted with the pre-strike filing? There is only one P63 in the current pop reports for the variety but who is to say the pop reports have the 63 noted in the correct variety attribution.
That 22-D Peace Dollar is sensational. Much like most Peace Dollars, that's under-graded by a full point compared to the grading standards of Morgan Dollars.
It is foolish to believe that there is any sort of accuracy when comparing raw 1980’s estimated grades to current certified grades. Case in point off the top of my head: Norweb 1850-O seated dollar graded AU in the sale and graded MS63 by PCGS.
@Boosibri said:
I like the 54-D but can't say that I like the early gold. Clearly they have been lightened, especially the 1795. Is the 1798 the coin noted with the pre-strike filing? There is only one P63 in the current pop reports for the variety but who is to say the pop reports have the 63 noted in the correct variety attribution.
I agree with you, but to me the 1798 looks a little more funky than the '95. My CAC submissions prove that I need to work on my Golden eye, so I may be wrong.
One comment not directed towards anyone. When looking at any of Hansen's coins one has to keep in mind that he is collecting one of everything! Since he needs everything, it is impossible for every coin to be "all there." It is amazing how many actually are---top pops, famous coins, CAC, etc. The greatest compliment i can give Hansen is that when i take almost any series, his set exceeds or at least competes with top sets that specialize in that series.
And that my friend is why Mr. Hanson will always be able to pursue and enjoy his collection as there will always be a hole that can be made better!
@Gazes said:
One comment not directed towards anyone. When looking at any of Hansen's coins one has to keep in mind that he is collecting one of everything! Since he needs everything, it is impossible for every coin to be "all there." It is amazing how many actually are---top pops, famous coins, CAC, etc. The greatest compliment i can give Hansen is that when i take almost any series, his set exceeds or at least competes with top sets that specialize in that series.
@Gazes said:
One comment not directed towards anyone. When looking at any of Hansen's coins one has to keep in mind that he is collecting one of everything! Since he needs everything, it is impossible for every coin to be "all there." It is amazing how many actually are---top pops, famous coins, CAC, etc. The greatest compliment i can give Hansen is that when i take almost any series, his set exceeds or at least competes with top sets that specialize in that series.
His goal is amazing. It can be easy to nit about a coin here and a coin there, but looking through so many coins would be such an amazing treat.
I agree that it's difficult to compare 1980s estimated grades with certified grades 30+ years later. Is it easy enough to find Eliasberg coins with generation slabs or TrueViews?
I don’t think 2020 will go down in history as a big Hansen FUN event. He purchased a four million dollar coin last year, unless there are more updates coming, we will not see anything close to that this year. He has updated about 25 coins in his basic mint strike sets and just a handful of proofs. Not all were purchased in auctions, so I would conclude a few were purchased privately from dealers at the show. I reported a couple days ago on the Peace Dollars from the Illinois Collection that was sold in the Heritage Auction. We know he purchased at least one coin that went into his second set, known a Diana. I discovered a few weeks ago that Mr. Hansen is actively purchasing second set specimens. I picked this nice little quarter eagle to show you today.
I first saw the coin when Mr. Hansen updated his Classic Head $2-1/2 Gold with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1834-1839) set on the 11th. The classic gold set currently ranks #2 on the PCGS registry all-time list. The Hansen set is less than a point behind the #1 set from the Harry W. Bass Collection. Hansen set is ahead of the #3 set in the Smithsonian National Numismatic Collection. With this upgrade, all coins in the 11 piece set are mint state except for two, 1839-C AU58 and 1838-C AU55. This is great little set of coins that PCGS describes as: The short-lived Classic Head Quarter Eagle (struck for only six years, 1834-39) served as the bridge between the rare Capped Head type and the Liberty Head type that would last into the early 20th century. Struck at four different mints (in 1839), this short set has no extreme rarities, but the "C" and "D" mint issues will prove the toughest, particularly in Mint State. Only a handful of these dated after 1836 are known above MS-62.
1839-D Classic Head $2-1/2
The coin was purchase in The 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando. The finest specimen of three 1839-D quarter eagles auctioned. Expert David Akers describes the difficulty of this coin as: Comparable in overall rarity to the 1838-C, but as the auction records indicate, actually more difficult to obtain in high grades. Although I did not personally examine the piece, the description and photo of the coin in Lester Merkin's April 1970 sale indicate that it was very choice, perhaps the finest known. I have not seen a strictly uncirculated specimen, but I have examined two choice AU's. As mentioned earlier, the head on the 1839-D quarter eagle is identical to that which appears on the 1838-C. The majrity of specimens that I have seen are softly struck on the hair curls around the ear and on the eagle's right wing at the junction of the wing and shield. Definitely underrated in high grade since this is the rarest date of this type in grades better than EF.
Heritage Auctions described the coin as: The 1839-D is the only Classic Head quarter eagle from the Dahlonega Mint. It is also the only Dahlonega issue of any type with the short-lived obverse mintmark, positioned between the date and the bust. Type collectors and southern gold specialists alike seek this issue in all grades, although the majority of the survivorship is well-circulated. The Dahlonega Mint was founded to serve the local mining community, striking federal coinage for local commerce. Virtually all coinage was done with locally mined ore, and that coinage almost always went immediately into circulation upon its return to depositors. This Mint State 1839-D quarter eagle is conditionally rare, and just a few finer pieces are known. It is generally sharp, although the usual weak point on the left shield corner is noted. Satiny peach-gold surfaces are lightly marked and lustrous with good eye appeal. The coin realized $40,800 with PCGS valuing the coin a $57,500. Are we witnessing the end of Mr. Hansen getting in bidding wars? If so, the critics should be please, because the market may be shifting to a buyers’ market.
This coin appeared in auction once before in Heritage August 2019 ANA World's Fair of Money US Coins Signature Auction in Chicago. The coin was in a MS62 NGC holder and realized $31,200. That is a nice little bump up in just less than six months. I obtained this connection with the help of the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency. They were not able to determine any additional pedigree prior to the 2019 Heritage sale. I hope you to find this coin as a nice little upgrade.
Provenance: Unknown
In an Eliasberg comparison, the PCGS registry indicates that he owned an estimated AU55 graded specimen. The coin was purchased by Louis Eliasberg when he acquired the John Clapp collection in 1942. Previously, purchased by John Clapp from Elmer Sears in 1920. It was purchased at the Bowers & Ruddy Oct '82 Eliasberg sale by Jack Hancock and Bob Harwell for $3,740. Lot #110.
1839-D Classic Head Quarter Eagle, MS62+ (Gold Shield) PCGS Coin #7700 / PCGS Serial #38391879 / POP 1/4 One-Year Dahlonega Type Coin, Branch Mint Condition Rarity PCGS Price Guide Value: $57,500
@Currin
Do you have the contact information for the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency? I am trying to ascertain provenance on some of my coins and could use some assistance.
The coin was purchase in The 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando. The finest specimen of three 1839-D quarter eagles auctioned.
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This coin appeared in auction once before in Heritage August 2019 ANA World's Fair of Money US Coins Signature Auction in Chicago. The coin was in a MS62 NGC holder and realized $31,200. That is a nice little bump up in just less than six months. I obtained this connection with the help of the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency. They were not able to determine any additional pedigree prior to the 2019 Heritage sale. I hope you to find this coin as a nice little upgrade.
Provenance: Unknown
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1839-D Classic Head Quarter Eagle, MS62+ (Gold Shield) PCGS Coin #7700 / PCGS Serial #38391879 / POP 1/4 One-Year Dahlonega Type Coin, Branch Mint Condition Rarity PCGS Price Guide Value: $57,500
How amazing is it that this coin can’t be traced further back than 2019? Glad it has a notable provenance now!
@Zoins said:
Given the notable mark over F in OF on the reverse, I wonder how easy it would be to find checking for other grades?
Newman Numismatic Portal has been very helpful in reconnecting coins with their past owners, in my experience. It’s a little clunky to use, at first, but after some practice it’s a great resource.
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it ), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
@Srotag said:
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it ), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
Many winning bidders - some knowingly and others, unknowingly - have their account settings set to entertaining offers.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Unless Mr. Hanson has opted out, HA automatically shows the owner is actively seeking offers on any coins purchased(even years ago!).
@Srotag said:
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it ), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
@Srotag said:
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it ), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
I doubt Hansen bid with his own account. I’d expect that DLRC won it on theirs.
@Srotag said:
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it ), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
Yes, I can confirm he purchased the coin. If it is offered for sale, it because the coin realized less than he thought it would. He has multiple coins and maybe more that one duplicate. If coin is immediately being offered, tells me that Hansen does not have an emotional attachment to coin. Same as the 1856-S Half Eagle that he purchased and sold it the next morning for a profit.
@Srotag said:
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it ), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
Yes, I can confirm he purchased the coin. If it is offered for sale, it because the coin realized less than he thought it would. He has multiple coins and maybe more that one duplicate. If coin is immediately being offered, tells me that Hansen does not have an emotional attachment to coin. Same as the 1856-S Half Eagle that he purchased and sold it the next morning for a profit.
As has been posted to this thread, already, just because a coin shows as “This Owner is proactively entertaining offers” doesn’t necessarily mean the owner knowingly chose to show the coin as being available for sale.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Srotag said:
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it ), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
Yes, I can confirm he purchased the coin. If it is offered for sale, it because the coin realized less than he thought it would. He has multiple coins and maybe more that one duplicate. If coin is immediately being offered, tells me that Hansen does not have an emotional attachment to coin. Same as the 1856-S Half Eagle that he purchased and sold it the next morning for a profit.
As has been posted to this thread, already, just because a coin shows as “This Owner is proactively entertaining offers” doesn’t necessarily mean the owner knowingly chose to show the coin as being available for sale.
This is a common source of confusion on Heritage. The text is quite misleading. The owner of a coin should need to enable this option on a coin-by-coin basis. It should be disabled by default.
@edwardjulio said: @Currin
Do you have the contact information for the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency? I am trying to ascertain provenance on some of my coins and could use some assistance.
Several of you have asked about the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency by Ron Guth. This is his statement:
...my website is up in a couple of days. I'm charging a fee for individual coin research and there will be a complete list of fees listed there.
I know this information can be interpreted as advertising. I would not make this posting except several of you have asked. If you follow this thread, you should know that I use Mr. Guth’s expert comments many times in my postings. He has been a great help and resource for me, because the D.L Hansen Collection is making numismatic history, and Mr. Guth will be part of that.
Please respect his timeline for offering his services more broadly. If anything change with statement above, I will let you know.
@edwardjulio said: @Currin
Do you have the contact information for the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency? I am trying to ascertain provenance on some of my coins and could use some assistance.
Several of you have asked about the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency by Ron Guth.
I love the name of this. He should have a detective badge
For the record, the name of the new company is The Numismatic Detective Agency (or NDA). We provide in-depth research on U.S. coins, with an emphasis on provenance and price history. Currin asked me to take a look at the most recent Eliasberg challenge to see if any of Eliasberg’s coins had reappeared with “modern” grades so that a more equitable comparison could be made with Hansen’s coins. The results are as follows:
1854-D Three Dollar: The only Dahlonega-issued coin of this type and a hugely popular coin.
Hansen Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar MS61 PCGS POP 2/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar est. XF45 POP 21/67
Eliasberg’s coin was described a Choice Extremely Fine, with “Two small marks on reverse rim.” The marks appear to be nicks or bruises at 6:30 and 9:00. These may prevent the coin from receiving a higher “modern” grade today and it was not found in an extensive search of EF-AU coins with URL addresses. Thus, Hansen appears to remain the winner.
1875 Three Dollar: A Proof-only issue with a reported mintage of just 20. This was the first US gold coin to eclipse the $100k price barrier, all the way back in the 1970’s.
Hansen Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Tie (1-0-1)
The Eliasberg 1875 $3 is now in a PCGS PR65CAM (25683915). It is not identified as being ex-Eliasberg in PCGS Cert Verification, however, plate-matching clearly links it to the Heritage 2012 sale. NDA made the link this morning. Thus, Eliasberg becomes the winner.
1879 Flowing Hair Stella: Always in demand as a Trophy coin and an issue with an interesting back story.
Hansen Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella PCGS PR67 PCGS POP 1/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella est. PR66 POP 26/3
Hansen Won (2-0-1)
Surprisingly, Eliasberg’s coin does not seem to have reappeared on the market in modern times. Harry Bass did not purchase Eliasberg’s coin, nor does Eliasberg’s coin match any coin in a file of more than 150 images of 1879 Flowing Hair Stellas. This could be a tie, or Hansen could be considered the winner until the Eliasberg coin reappears.
1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle: The very first date of this long-lived denomination and an issue which is more available than one might expect.
Hansen Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 28/18
Eliasberg Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU58 POP 42/77
Hansen Won (3-0-1)
Eliasberg had seven different examples of the 1795 $5 Small Eagle type, ranging in grade in the 1982 catalog from EF polished to AU50. The best example, a BD-8 sold for $15,400 and was last seen in 2012 in an NGS MS63PL holder. NDA made that connection this morning. Thus, this could be a tie, depending on service preference and any premium associated with the PL designation.
1798 or 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagles: The two most affordable 18th century US gold coins and available in nice AU for a low five-figure cost.
Hansen Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 4/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU55 POP 28/50
Hansen Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS62+ PCGS POP 1/12
Eliasberg Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. MS63 POP 10/2
Hansen Won (3-0-2)
Eliasberg had two 1798 $5 Large Eagles. Lot 335 was a BD-6 listed as AU50. The NDA Census for this variety is AU55 or better, which means it could possibly make the Census, but it does not appear to have ever been certified, so it is difficult to tell where the Eliasberg coin fits in. However, there are two NGC MS63’s in the NDA Census, but neither matches the plate in the Eliasberg catalog. Thus, Hansen appears to be the winner.
Eliasberg’s second 1798 $5 Large Eagle was cataloged as “Choice Extremely Fine-45 obverse; AU-50 reverse.” NDA tied that coin this morning to the NGC AU55+ in the Heritage 2015 FUN sale, lot 2105, where no mention was made of the Eliasberg connection. Again, Hansen is the winner.
Eliasberg had seven 1799 Half Eagles, the finest of which was a Small Stars Reverse listed as MS63 obverse, MS65 reverse. That coin does not seem to have appeared on the market in modern times, but considering how Eliasberg coins have been graded after the sale, it is probably at least an MS63, if not better.
Thus, until better evidence is presented, Hansen appears to win on the 1798 $5 Large Eagle and Eliasberg appears to win on the 1799 $5.
IMPORTANT NOTE: the raw grades listed in the Eliasberg collection on the PCGS Set Registry frequently do not match the grades in the catalog (the catalog grades are usually lower). Thus, a degree of caution should be used in making a direct comparison between certified grades of the Hansen collection and the raw grades of the Eliasberg collection. This drives home Tradedollarnut's observation in his earlier post.
Great detective work Ron. I cannot imagine the size of your database. You do amazing work. Thanks for performing this exercise at my request. When I did a similar challenge last year at this time, I received similar comments and created the same controversy. This is my comment last year:
I hope this to be a fun game that we are playing. In my first week posting, I described this challenge as “an interesting experiment”. It is hard to compare collections a half century apart. Insider2 described as a “fanciful exercise”. I agree.
So, I hope everyone understands this is just for fun and a way to show great coins is a competitive way. The original concept was just to compare the coins as the appeared in the two registry sets. After a couple weeks, I broke my rules and wrote this:
The rule of the game is to compare grades for a predetermined group of coins in Hansen’s Registry set with the Eliasberg’s. I understand this may not be complete and comprehensive comparison, but it is simple. If I find any additional information that could change the results, I may at times break the rule, as I did on this update.
With Ron Guth’s help, we broke the rule to see what happens. This new info changes the results a little, but did not flip the results. So let me provide an update. The new result is 2-1-2 Hansen revised from 3-0-2 Hansen. This changes the overall to 8-5-2 Hansen.
Again, thanks Ron for your contribution. You are the best at what you do. Let’s have fun, I am planning to do something a little different with this weekend posting. If you look at coin #16, you may be able to understand why.
By the way, if you was not riding along for last year's challenge, it is worth you time to go back and take a look. As with this year, there were some great coins in that challenge from both collection.
Hi Currin, thanks for your comments...I'm happy to help. The key to this kind of research is having access to data...which in this case is a combination of my own library, the Newman Numismatic Portal, the PCGS Set Registry, cert verification, True-View images, etc. Even so, it took me about four hours to work on the latest Eliasberg challenge, which was a lot of fun and revealed some interesting things. Keep up the good work on chronicling the Hansen collection. For most of us, this is a way to play with phenomenal coins and live vicariously through Mr. Hansen.
Can you please remove #35356018 from your Registry Set (sold more than 1 week ago in the Heritage sale) so that I can register my coin. My first of 2 Official set removal requests that I filed about a week ago still did not get the coin # freed up from your set.
Thank you.
Wondercoin
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Can you please remove #35356018 from your Registry Set (sold more than 1 week ago in the Heritage sale) so that I can register my coin. My first of 2 Official set removal requests that I filed about a week ago still did not get the coin # freed up from your set.
Thank you.
Wondercoin
Mitch, I’m pretty sure you can go through PCGS to get that done.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
One of the perks with hosting this forum, I can show the coin of my choosing. Mr. Hansen gets to choose what he wants to buy, but I get to display what I want to show. As many of you know, I do have a minor personal relationship with Mr. Hansen and Mr. Brush. A few days ago, John sent me a short list of purchases from the Heritage FUN show that he thought to be “highlights”. This coin was not on that list, but one of my favorites. This mere mid five figure coin may not be in the Top 10 for expensive coins purchased. I saw this coin last weekend and my desire to show it has stuck.
Expert Ron Guth describes the Type 2, Indian Princess, Small Head this way: The revision of the $1 gold piece in 1854 coincided with the issuance of the $3 gold piece, both of which were designed by James Barton Longacre (more widely known for his Indian Cent design). The obverse design shows a figure of Liberty, whose head is actually smaller than on the Type One Gold Dollars, but the effect is the same because of the addition of the Indian headdress. The reverse is a nearly exact copy of the Flying Eagle Cent, and was used also on the $3 gold piece. Overall, the diameter of the Type Two Gold Dollar is larger than the Type One, but because the weight remained the same, the thickness was necessarily reduced. In Mint State, the Type Two Gold Dollar is scarce to rare; in Gem condition, it is highly desirable. As of this writing, PCGS has certified only six examples at the MS-67 level, with none finer. Proof examples are known of the 1854 and 1955 dates; all are exceedingly rare.
1854 G$1 Type 2, Indian Princess, Small Head MS66 Dollar
The coin may not be an Hansen highlight for the fact it is not be considered as a condition rarity due to a population of 12, but there are only 4 certified by PCGS as finer. There are two MS66+ and two MS67. Expert David Akers describes the coins as: It is interesting to note that the auction survey indicates that the 1854 Type II and 1855 are virtually of identical rarity, both from the standpoint of number of appearances (222 and 223 respectively) as well as from the standpoint of average grade. The data also indicates that the 1854 Type II is the third most common of all gold dollars, and so the relatively high price it brings is due solely to its being a definite type coin. High grade examples, that is AU or Unc. pieces, are readily available, and even gem specimens are encountered with regularity. Many specimens show numerous clash marks on both obverse and reverse as well as a weakness in the LL of DOLLAR and the 85 of the date. Full date specimens, however, are definitely more common than they are for 1855.
The coin was purchased in the Heritage 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando a week ago. The coin is from The HFW² Collection. I could not find much information on this collection. Approx. 50 coins were offered from the collection with large diverse grouping including a (1616) 6PENCE Sommer Islands Sixpence. There were early high grade proofs, lots of nice gold, and even a set of Panama-Pacific Commemoratives including both Fifties.
Heritage described this coin as: Both the 1854 and 1855 Type Two gold dollar issues are prone to strike weakness as a result of the high-relief design, frequently accompanied by the clash marks that are prevalent on representatives of the type. Q. David Bowers writes in his series Guide Book, expounding on a theme with variations that will be familiar to readers of his work: "The very occasional specimen seen on the market is sharply struck and from perfect dies. Because certification service holders do not mention sharpness or weakness of strike or eye appeal, sometimes it is possible to acquire an attractive and sharp coin for only a small additional amount of money. All things considered, many if not most sophisticated buyers would rather have a sharply struck MS-64 than a lightly struck MS-65 or MS-66. As to buyers who are not sophisticated--and these are the majority--a number such as MS-66 is a siren call that is far more alluring than a technical mention of a sharp strike on an MS-64. More than for either of the other two designs, cherrypicking for a really choice, well-struck Type II can be a worthwhile pursuit." With this piece, no cherrypicking is necessary. The strike is strong throughout. We are tempted to say full, but close examination shows just a bit of softness on the top-right of the 8 in the date. Additionally, there are no clash marks present in the fields, as usually seen. The mint luster is softly frosted and each side displays original reddish-gold color. An exceptional Type Two gold dollar.
I find the realized price for the coin to be interesting. Mr. Hansen purchased the coin for $36,000. PCGS valued the coin at $55,000. That is down from a value of $60,000 on Dec 1, 2019 and high of $65,000 in 2015. Did Mr. Hansen catch a filling star? Heritage has not auctioned a MS66 specimen since 2011, where the coin realized $44,562.50. Also, Heritage list three unconfirmed sales for MS66s since 2015 that realized $70,500, $64,625 and $76,375. So, how was Mr. Hansen able to pick it up for $36,000? If you like to share any thoughts or comments please do so. According to PCGS price guide, the price the coin realized is between a MS65 and MS65+ price. The coin is not CAC approved, so maybe that is a factor.
Provenance: Other than from the The HFW² Collection, I am not able to find out any additional pedigree information.
In comparison, Mr. Eliasberg had a monster 1954 Type II. Estimated grade MS67 purchased at the Bowers & Ruddy Oct '82 Eliasberg sale by Harry Bass for $30,800. Pedigree: Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection - Bowers & Merena 10/1982:25, $30,800 - Bowers & Merena 7/2002:669, $126,500
1854 Type Two Gold Dollar, MS66 PCGS Coin #7531 / PCGS Serial #25532707 / POP 12/4 Sharply Struck, No Die Clashing Rarely Encountered So Fine
Can you please remove #35356018 from your Registry Set (sold more than 1 week ago in the Heritage sale) so that I can register my coin. My first of 2 Official set removal requests that I filed about a week ago still did not get the coin # freed up from your set.
Thank you.
Wondercoin
Mitch, I’m pretty sure you can go through PCGS to get that done.
True, but it's a bit of a hassle. Since Hansen is selling a tremendous number of duplicates these days, someone managing those sales should probably be more diligent in making sure coins get removed from his inventory when they are sold.
As previous promised, this week’s posting will have a little different twist. For reasons unknown (maybe an impossible task), Doug Winters did not choose just one date to represent the ‘Fat Head” Half Eagles, he choose the series. The series run is 1813-1829 (Large Diameter). Mr. Winter’s stated that The Fat Head type half eagle, probably my single favorite US coin design. I stated last week (sight unseen) that The Collection with the best Fat Head wins. This will remain true, but there is not one.
The Smithsonian National Numismatic Collection more than likely has the best collection of “Fat Heads” in existence today. A few of the national collection coins are cleaned or defected, but it is the only known current complete set. There have been some great complete sets in the past, Eliasberg, Pogue, and Lilly to name a few. To have a complete set, you must obtain the 1822 Half Eagle, only three are known. There have been an number of other Hall of Fame Collectors that have owned a 1822, like Virgil Brand, B.G. Johnson, David Akers, Harlan Smith, William Dunham, Amon Carter, and others. One very notable Fall of Fame Harry W. Bass never owned the 1822. Mr. Hansen is in a similar boat with Mr. Bass, having assembled a very impressive collection of US Gold, but does not have the 1822. If there is a single must have coin for the D.L. Hansen Collection, if the 1822 Half Eagle is not firmly on the top, then it is very close.
In comparing the Fat Head Coins for the Hansen and Eliasberg Collections, Mr. Hansen’s Collection have three very impressive top three PCGS MS66+ coins, They are the 1821 (Ex: Pogue), 1826 (Ex: Pogue) and the 1829 Large Head (Ex: Pogue/Eliasberg). The Eliasberg Collection top coins are two MS66+ coins, the 1818 (Ex: Pogue) and the 1829 Large Head previously mention that Hansen presently owns. For a quick comparison to Pogue, he had super impressive six MS66+! This is impressive and maybe finest 1813-1829 Half Eagles grouping of Fat Heads ever assembled. There are no PCGS certified Fat Heads dated 1813 - 1829 graded MS67 or better.
Even though, the Hansen Collection have one more MS66+ coin that Eliasberg, being I previously stated the best coin wins, therefor, I will call this challenge a tie. The challenge now stands at to 8-5-3 with the D. L. Hansen Collection leading. These are the four remaining coins in this grouping that we will look at next week.
1829 Small Planchet Half Eagle:First year of type and a great rarity in all grades. One of the few coins on this list I’ve never handled. 1838-C Half Eagle:First-year-of-issue from the brand new Charlotte Mint and a scarce one-year type to boot. 1838-D Half Eagle:A Wow coin for the exact same reasons as its counterpart the 1838-C half eagle. 1861-C Half Eagle:The final coin struck at this mint and an issue with plausible Civil War associations.
Hansen WOW Coins
The Spectacular Naftzger 1821 Half Eagle Tied for Finest Certified of the Design Type 1821 Capped Head Left Half Eagle. Bass Dannreuther-1. Rarity-6+. Mint State-66+ (PCGS) PCGS Price Guide: $675,000 / Stacks-Bowers Auction 5/2016: $564,000
Ex: Abe Kosoff; “a well known Texas numismatist,” probably Robert Schermerhorn; R.E. “Ted” Naftzger, Jr. Collection; Paramount’s fixed price list of the R.E. Naftzger, Jr. Collection of Early U.S. Half Eagles, 1981; Paramount (David Akers), by sale, April 1982 - D. Brent Pogue Collection - Stack's/Bowers & Sotheby's 5/2016:4036, $564,000
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. The Finest Known Mint State 1826 Half Eagle From the Stickney, Dunham, and Eliasberg Collections 1826 Capped Head Left Half Eagle. Bass Dannreuther-1. Rarity-5. Mint State-66+ (PCGS) PCGS Price Guide: $575,000 / Stacks-Bowers Auction 5/2016: $446,500
Ex: Matthew A. Stickney Collection, before 1854; Miss Cornelia A. Stickney and Miss Lucy W. Stickney, by descent, 1895; Henry Chapman’s sale of the Matthew A. Stickney Collection, June 1907, lot 668; William Forrester Dunham Collection; Chester F. Dunham, by descent, 1936; B. Max Mehl’s sale of the William F. Dunham Collection, June 1941, lot 2099; Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection; New Netherlands Coin Company’s 49th sale, June 1957, lot 381; Abe Kosoff’s sale of the Alex Shuford Collection, May 1968, lot 1958; David Akers, by sale, May 1996 - D. Brent Pogue Collection - Stack's/Bowers & Sotheby's 5/2016:4036, $446,500
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Extremely Rare 1829 Large Planchet Half Eagle Finest Known, The Eliasberg Coin 1829 Capped Head Left Half Eagle. Large Diameter. BD-1. Rarity-7, Mint State-66+ (PCGS) PCGS Price Guide: $850,000 / Stacks-Bowers Auction 5/2016: $$763,750
Ex: Harlan P. Smith Collection - S.H. & H. Chapman 5/1906:218, $240 - J.M Clapp Collection - John H. Clapp Collection, sold intact in 1942 - Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection - Bowers & Ruddy 10/1982:387, $82,500 - Marvin Browder Collection - RARCOA, sold privately in 9/1987 - D. Brent Pogue Collection - Stack's/Bowers & Sotheby's 5/2016:4036, $763,750
The D. L. Hansen Collection of Liberty Double Eagles can be described as incredible. The collection has PCGS All-Time Finest Set for Liberty Head $20 Gold Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1850-1907). There is no other real competition in this series. At least, no other collection has registered a competitive set. You hear rumors and claims, but as of today, there is no competition. Mr. Hansen replaced two coins purchased in the Heritage 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando.
The Hansen specimens being replaced are not bad coins. One coin that moves to Mr. Hansen’s #2 set is a MS63+ PCGS POP 1/1. The coin is being replaced by a POP 1/0. The other is a MS63+ PCGS POP 4/3 that is replaced with a POP 2/1. I have stated this once before, I believe the Liberty Double Eagles appear to be a set that Mr. Hansen really appreciates. I say this based by coins that he upgrades. This is a set that really don’t need upgrading, except for Mr. Hansen’s desire to make something great, better.
1878-S Liberty Double Eagle MS64
Expert David Akers described this Double Eagle as: The 1878-S is most definitely not a common date. It is not particularly scarce in circulated grades but in strictly uncirculated condition it is very difficult to find. Overall, the 1878-S is more rare than the 1875-S and 1877-S and on a par with the 1874-S. It is far rarer than the common 1876-S. This date is most often available in EF or lower grades although AU's are also seen fairly often. In average uncirculated condition, the 1878-S is very scarce and in choice or gem mint state it is decidedly rare. In my opinion, this issue, as well as the 1879-S, 1880-S, 1881-S, and 1882-S, are all very underrated in uncirculated condition. Expert Ron Guth added: The Saddle Ridge Hoard of gold coins, discovered in northern California in 2013, contained thirty-four 1878-S $20s, of which twenty-seven were gradeable, four were Mint State, and one was tied for Finest Known.
1878-S Double Eagle, MS64 Sole Finest at PCGS, POP 1/0 Certification #84079673, PCGS #8987 PCGS Price Guide: $45,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $43,200 Provenance: Unknown
Heritage Description: The 2013 Saddle Ridge Hoard included 34 1878-S double eagles, including a Select Uncirculated representative that was then-tied for finest known. Today, this near-Gem representative, whose origin is unknown, reigns alone atop the PCGS Population Report. Its honey-gold surfaces radiate swirling mint frost, and the raised devices on each side are fully struck. Post-mint imperfections are microscopic. There is a small speck of struck-in grease above the 7 and a couple of raised die lumps on Liberty's cheek. The single-finest example we have ever handled, and the same goes for PCGS.
1882-S Liberty Double Eagle MS64
Expert David Akers wrote: The 1882-S is not a particularly scarce date but it is certainly harder to find in choice condition than most people realize. Overall, the 1882-S is similar in rarity to the 1879-S, 1885-S, 1888-S, 1892-S, 1893-S, 1901-S and 1905-S but it is much more rare in Unc. than any of those dates except the 1879-S. When available, which is fairly regularly, the 1882-S is typically only VF or EF. Choice and gem quality uncs do exist but they are surprisingly rare. Expert Ron Guth added: The Saddle Ridge Hoard of gold coins, discovered in northern California in 2013, contained seventy 1882-S $20s, including two ungradeable coins, fifteen Mint State examples, and one new Second Finest Known (a single PCGS MS64+).
1882-S Twenty Dollar, Vibrant MS64 High Condition Census Coin, POP 2/1 Certification #25696057, PCGS #8998 PCGS Price Guide: $35,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $24,000 Provenance: The "So Cal" Collection
Heritage Description: In our estimation this near-Gem coin is certainly one of the finest 1882-S twenties known, and it is a candidate for an even finer grade. Vibrant rose-gold surfaces emit bright and flashy cartwheel luster, while the strike is extra-sharp for an 1882-S. Every minute detail is crisply defined, including an unlisted S/S mintmark, with the faint curve of an initial S well below the primary mintmark. We wonder if this coin came out of the Saddle Ridge Hoard, which contained 65 examples, but just one piece graded MS64+ that ranks as the current-finest known at either PCGS or NGC. Regardless of its origins, the finely frosted surfaces are virtually unimprovable for an issue that has yet to yield a fully Gem certification at PCGS or NGC despite a large mintage of 1,125,000 pieces. This is also the first MS64 we have offered in the past 20+ years of our auction archives.
The Rollo Fox Collection of $20 Saint-Gaudens Gold, Mr. Hansen was successful in purchasing three specimens. In recent upgrades to this series, The D. L. Hansen Collection upgraded five St. Gaudens coins with three of them coming from the Fox Collection. This is a series that Mr. Hansen is making upgrades but does not appear to have an aggressive priority to upgrade. The D. L. Hansen Collection of Saint-Gaudens moves up to #2 on PCGS Current Finest Registry for PCGS coins, but information has been provide several times by Legends that “Heggie” has a finer set of PCGS coins that is not registered.
The three upgrades from the Fox Collection purchased in the Heritage 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando are a close date range of 1910 to 1911. The Finest graded coin is 1911-D Double Eagle specimen MS67+, POP 2/0. This coin is not CAC Approved, but the other two are approved. These coins are going to look great in the Hansen Collection of Gold Coins. With the two Liberty Double Eagles shared a couple days ago, it appears Mr. Hansen shows interest in his $20 Gold. Would you like to see St. Gaudens Double Eagles?
1910-D Twenty Dollar, MS66+
Expert David Akers described this Double Eagle as: The 1910-D is one of the scarcest of the early mintmarked Saint-Gaudens $20 issues, although it cannot be called rare by any means. Below full MS-65, it can be found with little or no difficulty and in gem condition it is very scarce but certainly not rare. My notes indicate I have seen two examples that I called "Superb MS-67" at the time but whether or not they would grade that high by today's standards I am not sure. Suffice to say that a superb 1910-D is a major rarity. The 1910-D is typically well struck with very slightly satiny surfaces and a trace of granularity. Lustre is typically very good, better than on the 1908-D With Motto, 1909-D or 1911-D in general. The color is most often a light to medium orange gold, but some light greenish gold and orange ones exist as well.
1910-D Twenty Dollar, MS66+ CAC Approved Glittering Registry Coin Two Finer Examples at PCGS, POP 7/2 Certification #37543058, PCGS #9155 PCGS Price Guide: $30,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $19,200 Provenance: Bob R. Simpson Collection - Fox Collection
Description: The 1910-D represents a widely collectible branch mint issue from the early part of the Saint-Gaudens series. While fewer than a half million examples were struck, the 1910-D has one of the highest survival rates with an estimated 15,000 pieces extant. That includes a majority of coins repatriated from overseas holdings in MS63 and MS64 condition. Those numbers fall substantially in MS65 and MS66, and plummet in higher grades. In fact, there are only two coins certified finer than this MS66+ coin at each service. Additionally, CAC has endorsed merely 17 Premium Gems and two Superb Gems (9/19). Simply put, this Plus-graded, CAC-approved example ranks among the very finest 1910-D twenties available, a serious consideration for any advanced Registry player. Virtually unabraded surfaces glitter with vibrant satiny mint luster. They feature splashes of deep orange and pale lilac and green accents amid warm yellow-gold tones. Liberty face and torch fingers, the Capitol, and the eagle's feathers and talons are all strongly rendered.
1911-D Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS67+
David Akers wrote: This is one of the most common dates of the entire series. It is available in quantity in all Mint State grades up to and including MS-64. Even gems are fairly common and can be located with relatively little effort. After the 1908 No Motto, this is the most common of all the early (pre-1920) issues. A small number of superb, nearly perfect examples of this issue are known to exist. Most examples of this issue have finely granular surfaces and a satiny texture and lustre. However, many specimens are fully frosty. The strike is invariably very sharp, and lustre is no better than average for the series. Color is typically a light to medium orange gold, sometimes with a slight greenish gold tint. The mintmark on many specimens is boldly double punched.
1911-D Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS67+ Tied for Finest Certified at PCGS (Bob R. Simpson) Certification #37543065, PCGS #9158, POP 2/0 PCGS Price Guide: $85,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $ $55,200 Provenance: Dr. Thaine B. Price Collection - Fox Collection
Heritage Description: From a mintage of 846,500 pieces, the 1911-D Saint-Gaudens double eagle is surprisingly available in high grade today. The coins were all struck in the first half of the year, before the fiscal year ended in June. Roger W. Burdette estimates as many as 415,000 examples may have been used in foreign trade with Europe and Latin America, escaping the wholesale melting that wiped out the later issues of the series, after the Gold Recall of 1933. Thousands of these coins were repatriated in later years, after restrictions on gold imports were relaxed in 1972. Burdette believes approximately 25,000 examples of the 1911-D are extant, making it the most available branch mint issue of the early series in today's market. The 1911-D is readily available in all grades through the MS65 level, and even MS66-graded coins can be found with a little patience. It seems likely that a large group of several thousand coins was held untouched in the original bags and repatriated from Central America in recent times, accounting for the high percentage of coins that are graded MS65, or better. The population drops off precipitously at the MS67 level, and the present coin is tied with the Morse-Duckor-Simpson example for the title of finest certified at PCGS (8/19). The present coin traces its history to the fabulous collection of Dr, Thaine B. Price, one of the foremost collections of Saint-Gaudens coinage of all time. Akers went on to compare this coin to the magnificent Eliasberg specimen of the 1910-S double eagle he had described in lot 84 of the Price catalog, finding the two examples to be of equal quality, a mark of distinction for any coin. This spectacular Plus-graded Superb Gem will be an upgrade to all but one collection or PCGS Registry Set of Saint-Gaudens double eagles.
1911-S Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS66+
Expert David Akers wrote: The 1911-S is very comparable in overall rarity and condition rarity to the 1910-S. Below the gem (MS-65) level it is a decidedly common issue, and literally thousands of Mint State examples exist. In 1983, a hoard of several thousand examples of this issue was uncovered in Central America and many were of relatively high quality. The hoard also contained a number of gems. I have seen just a few pieces better than MS-65, none of which had anything close to the "eye appeal" of the best examples of 1908-S, 1910-S or even 1909-S. The 1911-S is nearly always very sharply struck and the surfaces are finely granular and frosty. (I don't recall ever seeing a satiny one like the usual 1910-S.) Lustre is generally only average at best and often below average for the series. In fact, one is not likely to find a 1911-S with the lustre of the average 1910-S. Color is almost always very good; a light to medium orange gold color is standard.
1911-S Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS66+ CAC Approved Only One Finer Coin at PCGS (Kutasi Collection) Certification #37543068, PCGS #9159 PCGS Price Guide: $26,500 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $ $25,200 Provenance: Fox Collection
Heritage Description: The 1911-S Saint-Gaudens double eagle has a reported mintage of 757,750 pieces, with most of the coins delivered in February and March and some sizeable deliveries in September and December. Most of the mintage was initially stored in Mint and treasury vaults, but later paid out in overseas transactions with European and Latin American destinations. Many specimens have been repatriated in recent times, including a large number of pieces that surfaced in a Central American hoard of 47,000 double eagles discovered in the early 1980s. Roger W. Burdette estimates the surviving population at approximately 14,000 examples in all grades. The 1911-S can be easily located in grades up to the Gem level, but specimens in MS66 condition are elusive, and finer coins are virtually unobtainable. This Plus-graded Premium Gem exhibits sharply detailed design elements in most areas, with just a trace of softness on the upper torch. The virtually flawless orange-gold surfaces radiate vibrant mint luster, with terrific eye appeal.
Dell Loy seems to be rocking in gold. Perhaps we need to track how his gold collection matches up with the Bass collection, since he it's really beginning to exceed Eliasberg in gold from 1795 on.
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The Fox coins are all sold now & I can't wait to see which ones Hansen bought.
I hope he cleaned house
Here is his set....
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/20-gold-major-sets/st-gaudens-20-gold-major-varieties-1933-patterns-circulation-strikes-1907/publishedset/148197
My Saint Set
Peace Dollar Upgrades
The first coins that Mr. Hansen posted from 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando were Peace Dollars. It appears from the updates posted in his Peace Dollar sets, he purchase these high end graded specimens last night. Two of the coins went directly into his Top Set, 1921 High Relief and 1922-D Peace Dollars. The third coin, 1923-D Peace Dollar was placed in his second set, Diana's Set of Peace Dollars. With this purchase, he now have two 1923-D MS66+ POP 12/1 specimens. Both 1923-D specimens are CAC approved. These coins are from the Illinois Collection of Peace Dollars. The realized price from the three coins was about $160,000. PCGS values the coins approx. $260,000.
With these upgrades, the Hansen Collection of Peace Dollars moves closer to the retired PCGS Hall of Fame All-Time top set, California 1. The set retired a couple months ago, but I am not sure where these coins are. Will they show in auction soon? Do not know, if anyone can share some light, please do so.
1921 High Relief Peace Dollar, Luminous MS67
Near-Perfect Top-Tier Registry Coin
Certification #37728049, PCGS #7356, POP 6/0
EX: Illinois Collection, PCGS Value: $150,000
Heritage Auction Description: This Superb Gem High Relief Peace dollar has ranked among two different highly rated PCGS Registry Sets, including the MBJ Set and now the Illinois Set, the latter of which is the all-time fifth highest-rated Peace dollar set in the PCGS Registry. The coin is more than a full grade point finer than the piece represented in the current highest-ranked Registry Set. PCGS has certified only five other pieces in MS67, with none finer (11/19), and even that trivial number may include one or two duplications from crossovers. We have seen only four different Superb Gem 1921 Peace dollars in PCGS holders, plus a handful of coins in NGC holders. NGC currently lists seven grading events in MS67, again, including possible duplication, and again, with none finer (11/19). The technical and aesthetic aspects of this piece are every bit the equal of its numeric grade. Frosted luster glistens across each side, showcasing virtually flawless preservation throughout without so much as a light graze evident on Liberty's well-defined cheek. Crescents of sun-gold toning grace both the Liberty portrait and the eagle on both sides, while flecks of russet, violet, and amber speckle the peripheries; the remainder of each side displays pearlescent luminance. Central strike sharpness is above average for this issue, and that attribute is always an area of scrutiny for collectors seeking a High Relief Peace dollar. Simply a gorgeous coin, second to none and barely equaled by its peers.
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1922-D Silver Dollar, MS67
A Legend Among Peace Dollars
High Condition Census PCGS Rarity
The Glittering CoinFacts Plate Coin
Certification #37728051, PCGS #7358, POP 3/0
EX: Illinois Collection, PCGS Value: $100,000
Heritage Auction Description: The quality and importance of the current offering of Peace dollars is perhaps fully embodied in this one coin. The 1922-D Peace dollar is a formidable rarity in Superb Gem condition, such that only three coins are so graded at PCGS. Discussions concerning this issue's collectibility often cease at the MS66+ level, since acquiring a PCGS-graded Superb Gem is usually an unrealistic endeavor. Indeed, a glance at the current highest-rated Peace dollar sets in the PCGS Registry reveals many MS66+ coins, but not a single MS67. Even the current highest-ranked Registry Set -- the D.L. Hansen Collection -- settles for an MS66+. The reason is simply because this date in MS67 PCGS can be considered a Holy Grail of sorts for the Peace dollar series -- highly desired, but seen so infrequently at auction as to make one wonder if such coins actually exist. This piece differs from many Gem and finer 1922-D Peace dollars in that it does not show the circular die cracks on the obverse, which link many high-grade survivors to a single die pair and perhaps a single delivery. This piece is from a different die pair, and likely a different striking period in 1922. The absence of the commonly seen cracks does not preclude a late die state, though, since the astute specialist will immediately notice this coin's textured obverse, which is characteristic of a worn die. However, this die wear has the intriguing effect of producing more radiant cartwheel luster than Peace dollars of any date typically display. Luster abounds on this coin, and it is almost flawlessly preserved. Not even a trace of toning detracts from the glittering surfaces and sharply rendered devices. Eye appeal lacks nothing on this, one of our favorite coins from the Illinois Set Registry collection. We encourage bidders to come prepared for competition when this coin crosses the auction block. Registry collectors know well how small the likelihood is that another, comparable example will be seen any time soon.
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1923-D Peace Dollar, MS66+
CAC Approval, Condition Census
Certification #37728054, PCGS #7361, POP 12/1
EX: Illinois Collection, PCGS Value: $17,500
Heritage Auction Description: While the Philadelphia issue of this year is plentiful in MS66 and collectible even in MS67, the 1923-D Peace dollar is scarce in this grade and nearly unknown finer. The present coin stands apart from most of its peers with a Plus designation, being one of only a dozen coins at PCGS with such recognition, while a lone Superb Gem is finer. This piece is plated on PCGS CoinFacts. Dazzling cartwheel luster engulfs the brilliant, beautifully preserved surfaces, highlighting the devices, which show impeccable sharpness for this issue. A loupe finds each side remarkably clean -- hence the Plus designation and CAC endorsement -- although a lone, tiny mark just behind Liberty's eye serves as a pedigree marker. Although one numerically finer 1923-D Peace dollar is reported, this high-end Premium Gem is tied for the finest endorsed by CAC, and therefore it is an important coin for the Registry collector.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
It's great that Hansen is adding provenance to these otherwise unattributed coins!
That's a big difference in PCGS coin value and realized price. I wonder if that will bring the PCGS values down?
That's interesting to note. I'd be curious as to what happened to this set as well.
The auction was mostly week except for most of the Cac coins which for the most part did better. It seems that except for certain or special coins prices are off by 20%. This is cac as well.
Look at the high reliefs, the 1896 67 dcam cac 20, fhe bust halves. All low.
I do not think Pcgs or cdn will lower prices based on one auction or month.
However soon or later pcgs will need to list cac prices If they don't it is difficult for many
regular people to understand prices realized.
Comments on prices?
Here are the prices:
1921 High Relief Peace Dollar - PCGS MS67 - Ex-MBJ Set, Illinois Set
1922-D Peace Dollar - PCGS MS67 - Ex-Anne Kate, Illinois Set
1923-D Peace Dollar - PCSG MS66+ CAC - Ex-Illinois Set
Hansen-Eliasberg Challenge II – Part III
This was a good week for Hansen. He won three coins outright and the other two I determined to be a tie. The first coin was a Dahlonega issue three dollar. Hansen has one of the rare mint states in his collection. He has one of, if not the finest set of Three Dollar gold in mint state that has ever been assembled. If you have never seen this set, it is worth taking a look. The set is missing only the unique 1870-S issue that is owned by the Bass Foundation. Hansen Dahlonega specimen is one of two certified by PCGS MS61, with only the Pogue MS62 certified finer. Eliasberg coin was a XF45.
One of the two proofs in the comparison today, is the 1875 Three Dollar. Both great collectors indicated their specimens to be PCGS certified PR64CAM. This coin ended up as a tie. Hansen has a little better 1879 flowing Hair Stella. Hansen’s coin is a PR67 compared to Eliasberg’s PR66. Hansen’s 1795 Small Half Eagle is a MS62 compared to Eliasberg AU58.
The last coin compared is a two date comparison. Hansen has a 1798 MS63 Half Eagle, and Eliasberg had a 1799 MS63. The POP on Hansen’s MS63 is 4/4 which is better than Ellsberg’s 10/2. Or is it? I decided to declare a tie on the coins. The total value for Hansen’s five coins is $900,000. The result is another 3-0-2 win by Hansen. This increases Hansen’s overall lead.
1854-D Three Dollar: The only Dahlonega-issued coin of this type and a hugely popular coin.
Hansen Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar MS61 PCGS POP 2/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar est. XF45 POP 21/67
Hansen Won (1-0)
1875 Three Dollar: A Proof-only issue with a reported mintage of just 20. This was the first US gold coin to eclipse the $100k price barrier, all the way back in the 1970’s.
Hansen Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Tie (1-0-1)
1879 Flowing Hair Stella: Always in demand as a Trophy coin and an issue with an interesting back story.
Hansen Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella PCGS PR67 PCGS POP 1/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella est. PR66 POP 26/3
Hansen Won (2-0-1)
1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle: The very first date of this long-lived denomination and an issue which is more available than one might expect.
Hansen Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 28/18
Eliasberg Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU58 POP 42/77
Hansen Won (3-0-1)
1798 or 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagles: The two most affordable 18th century US gold coins and available in nice AU for a low five-figure cost.
Hansen Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 4/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU55 POP 28/50
Hansen Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS62+ PCGS POP 1/12
Eliasberg Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. MS63 POP 10/2
Hansen Won (3-0-2)
Eliasberg was shut out this week with no wins. Third stage was good for Hansen as he extends his overall lead to 9-4-2. As stated before, I have not looked ahead and do not know the results. It will be fascinating to watch as we have 35 more gold coins to compare. These will be the five coins that we will look at next week.
1813-1834 Half Eagle:The Fat Head type half eagle, probably my single favorite US coin design. The Collection with the best Fat Head will win.
1829 Small Planchet Half Eagle: First year of type and a great rarity in all grades. One of the few coins on this list I’ve never handled.
1838-C Half Eagle: First-year-of-issue from the brand new Charlotte Mint and a scarce one-year type to boot.
1838-D Half Eagle: A Wow coin for the exact same reasons as its counterpart the 1838-C half eagle.
1861-C Half Eagle: The final coin struck at this mint and an issue with plausible Civil War associations.
Hansen WOW Coins
1854-D Three Dollar MS61 (Gold Shield)
PCGS Coin #7970 / PCGS Serial #30132476
PCGS POP 2/1, PCGS Price Guide Value $150,000
Ron Guth Comments: This is the only three dollar gold piece struck at the Dahlonega mint. It is undeniably one of the rarest in the series, ranking 12th in rarity according to number of appearances in our 238 catalogue auction survey and 6th according to rarity by average grade. All specimens that I have seen are very poorly struck with very little hair on the headdress detail and weak or missing denticles. The milling is also characteristically weak in places, particularly at twelve o'clock on the obverse. The effect is similar to when a loop has been removed but this weakness is present on every specimen I have encountered. Like the 1854, the 1854-D had small letters in the word DOLLARS. The mintmark is always unusually bold. Specimens of this date are usually grossly overgraded, partly because the date is a very rare one, but also because they are just hard to grade and the tendency with most auctioneers is to be optimistic when there is a doubt. I have seen several AU pieces but never an unequivocally mint state one. Even strictly graded EF specimens are very rare.
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1875 Three Dollar CAM PR64CAM (Gold Shield)
PCGS Coin #88039/ PCGS Serial #29592906
PCGS POP 6/4, PCGS Price Guide Value $190,000
David Akers comments: Next to the legendary 1870-S, the 1875 is the most famous and highly desired three dollar gold piece. It has auction records as high as $150,000 (PCGS CoinFacts editors note: Remember this was written in 1976), although, as the auction records conclusively show, it is not nearly as rare as the 1873 Open 3 and is, in fact, one of the more common dates in proof prior to the 1880's! Certainly, it has been offered for sale many more times than the 1874 or 1878 which have identical reported mintages of 20 pieces. This apparent discrepancy is answered by the fact that the claimed mintage of 20 for the 1875 is not really accurate since more than 20 pieces are known to exist. The term "restrike" has been used when discussing the 1875, but properly used, the term "restrike" denotes a coin that is struck in a year later than its date. Such has not been conclusively proven to be the case with the 1875 three dollar gold piece, and although there are differences between known specimens, it is more likely that they were merely struck at different times during the same year rather than in different years.
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1879 $4 Flowing Hair PR67 (Gold Shield)
PCGS Coin #8057 / PCGS Serial #81058250
PCGS POP 1/1, PCGS Price Guide Value $350,000
David Akers Comments: Two designs were produced in 1879, one by Charles E. Barber, the other by George T. Morgan. Barber's flowing hair design was virtually an exact copy of a pattern half eagle (J-1574) designed by his father, William Barber, the preceding year. Fifteen pieces were struck in 1879 (the so-called "originals") and early in 1880, an additional 400 were struck at the request of the Coinage Committee. Since no hubs were available to duplicate the dies, the old dies with the 1879 date were used. These 400 pieces are the so-called "restrikes." They were officially offered to members of Congress and personal or political friends at the production cost ($6.50). Quite a furor was raised by coin collectors and dealers when they learned of this and considerable letter writting and publicity ensued. S.K. Harzfeld, a dealer, also learned in an interview with Superintendent A.L. Snowden, that 150 or the 415 pieces struck were still in the vaults of the Mint as late as October, 1880. As was the case in 1868 and 1874, the idea on an international gold coin was rejected by Congress and was not proposed again.
The 1879 flowing hair stella is the second most common of all U.S. gold patterns and it has appeared for sale many more times than any of the other stellas. Obviously, it is impossible to state exactly how many of the original 415 still exist, but for what one guess is worth, I would estimate that at least 300 to 350 are still around, although certainly many of them are impaired to some degree. Contrary to popular belief, the retrikes do not always weigh 103.2 grains and therefore, many are offered as one of the 15 "originals", often at an inflated price, when in reality they are one of the more common 400 restrikes. The restrikes are usually identifiable by light adjustment marks or striations on the head of Liberty.
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1795 $5 Small Eagle MS62 (Gold Shield)
PCGS Coin #8066 / PCGS Serial #36068839
PCGS 28/18, PCGS Price Guide Value $145,000
David Akers comments: Although not particularly scarce by Half Eagle standards, the 1795 Small Eagle is nevertheless a relatively high priced coin due to its status as the first U.S. gold coin and its popularity as a type coin. It is much more common than the other dates of this type and is fairly obtainable in AU-Unc. condition. Gems, that is MS-65 or better coins, are rare but still occasionally available. Proof-like surfaces are the norm rather than the exception but no true proofs exist. There are, however, several first strike specimens that have the characteristics of "presentation" pieces.
One interesting variety exists with the second S in STATES over the letter D. This variety, although more rare than the varieteies with the plain S, does not generally command a premium.
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1798 $5 BD-4 Large 8, 13 St Rev. MS63 (Gold Shield)
PCGS Coin #507324 / PCGS Serial #32231606
PCGS POP 1/0, Estimate price $65,000
Ron Guth Comments: BD-4 is one of the Heraldic Eagle, Large 8 varieties with 13 stars on the reverse. Dannreuther called it "the most available of 1798 Large Eagle coins" but it is still a very scarce variety. Later states of the reverse die show rim cuds at ES of STATES and the O of OF. The strike quality of this variety is usually soft, particularly in the centers. We have yet to see a fully struck example, but there are a few that show most of the shield lines. Adjustment marks are rarely seen, but a PCGS MS63 example exists with rather extensive pre-strike filing on the reverse. High quality 1798 $5 BD-4's are very rare. The PCGS CoinFacts Condition Census of the top ten examples includes seven Mint State pieces, most of which are low-end Uncs. The star of this variety is an NGC MS64 example that sold in 2011 for a record $155,250. Another top example is in the Core Collection at the Harry W. Bass, Jr. Foundation Collection at the American Numismatic Association.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I just noticed that the Ex-Kate Anne / Illinois Set 1922-D Peace Dollar in PCGS MS67 had an interesting description. I guess they can't say that anymore!
I like the 54-D but can't say that I like the early gold. Clearly they have been lightened, especially the 1795. Is the 1798 the coin noted with the pre-strike filing? There is only one P63 in the current pop reports for the variety but who is to say the pop reports have the 63 noted in the correct variety attribution.
Latin American Collection
That 22-D Peace Dollar is sensational. Much like most Peace Dollars, that's under-graded by a full point compared to the grading standards of Morgan Dollars.
Love this thread!
It is foolish to believe that there is any sort of accuracy when comparing raw 1980’s estimated grades to current certified grades. Case in point off the top of my head: Norweb 1850-O seated dollar graded AU in the sale and graded MS63 by PCGS.
I agree with you, but to me the 1798 looks a little more funky than the '95. My CAC submissions prove that I need to work on my Golden eye, so I may be wrong.
One comment not directed towards anyone. When looking at any of Hansen's coins one has to keep in mind that he is collecting one of everything! Since he needs everything, it is impossible for every coin to be "all there." It is amazing how many actually are---top pops, famous coins, CAC, etc. The greatest compliment i can give Hansen is that when i take almost any series, his set exceeds or at least competes with top sets that specialize in that series.
And that my friend is why Mr. Hanson will always be able to pursue and enjoy his collection as there will always be a hole that can be made better!
His goal is amazing. It can be easy to nit about a coin here and a coin there, but looking through so many coins would be such an amazing treat.
I agree that it's difficult to compare 1980s estimated grades with certified grades 30+ years later. Is it easy enough to find Eliasberg coins with generation slabs or TrueViews?
Nice Quarter Eagle upgrade from FUN
I don’t think 2020 will go down in history as a big Hansen FUN event. He purchased a four million dollar coin last year, unless there are more updates coming, we will not see anything close to that this year. He has updated about 25 coins in his basic mint strike sets and just a handful of proofs. Not all were purchased in auctions, so I would conclude a few were purchased privately from dealers at the show. I reported a couple days ago on the Peace Dollars from the Illinois Collection that was sold in the Heritage Auction. We know he purchased at least one coin that went into his second set, known a Diana. I discovered a few weeks ago that Mr. Hansen is actively purchasing second set specimens. I picked this nice little quarter eagle to show you today.
I first saw the coin when Mr. Hansen updated his Classic Head $2-1/2 Gold with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1834-1839) set on the 11th. The classic gold set currently ranks #2 on the PCGS registry all-time list. The Hansen set is less than a point behind the #1 set from the Harry W. Bass Collection. Hansen set is ahead of the #3 set in the Smithsonian National Numismatic Collection. With this upgrade, all coins in the 11 piece set are mint state except for two, 1839-C AU58 and 1838-C AU55. This is great little set of coins that PCGS describes as: The short-lived Classic Head Quarter Eagle (struck for only six years, 1834-39) served as the bridge between the rare Capped Head type and the Liberty Head type that would last into the early 20th century. Struck at four different mints (in 1839), this short set has no extreme rarities, but the "C" and "D" mint issues will prove the toughest, particularly in Mint State. Only a handful of these dated after 1836 are known above MS-62.
1839-D Classic Head $2-1/2
The coin was purchase in The 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando. The finest specimen of three 1839-D quarter eagles auctioned. Expert David Akers describes the difficulty of this coin as: Comparable in overall rarity to the 1838-C, but as the auction records indicate, actually more difficult to obtain in high grades. Although I did not personally examine the piece, the description and photo of the coin in Lester Merkin's April 1970 sale indicate that it was very choice, perhaps the finest known. I have not seen a strictly uncirculated specimen, but I have examined two choice AU's. As mentioned earlier, the head on the 1839-D quarter eagle is identical to that which appears on the 1838-C. The majrity of specimens that I have seen are softly struck on the hair curls around the ear and on the eagle's right wing at the junction of the wing and shield. Definitely underrated in high grade since this is the rarest date of this type in grades better than EF.
Heritage Auctions described the coin as: The 1839-D is the only Classic Head quarter eagle from the Dahlonega Mint. It is also the only Dahlonega issue of any type with the short-lived obverse mintmark, positioned between the date and the bust. Type collectors and southern gold specialists alike seek this issue in all grades, although the majority of the survivorship is well-circulated. The Dahlonega Mint was founded to serve the local mining community, striking federal coinage for local commerce. Virtually all coinage was done with locally mined ore, and that coinage almost always went immediately into circulation upon its return to depositors. This Mint State 1839-D quarter eagle is conditionally rare, and just a few finer pieces are known. It is generally sharp, although the usual weak point on the left shield corner is noted. Satiny peach-gold surfaces are lightly marked and lustrous with good eye appeal. The coin realized $40,800 with PCGS valuing the coin a $57,500. Are we witnessing the end of Mr. Hansen getting in bidding wars? If so, the critics should be please, because the market may be shifting to a buyers’ market.
This coin appeared in auction once before in Heritage August 2019 ANA World's Fair of Money US Coins Signature Auction in Chicago. The coin was in a MS62 NGC holder and realized $31,200. That is a nice little bump up in just less than six months. I obtained this connection with the help of the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency. They were not able to determine any additional pedigree prior to the 2019 Heritage sale. I hope you to find this coin as a nice little upgrade.
Provenance: Unknown
In an Eliasberg comparison, the PCGS registry indicates that he owned an estimated AU55 graded specimen. The coin was purchased by Louis Eliasberg when he acquired the John Clapp collection in 1942. Previously, purchased by John Clapp from Elmer Sears in 1920. It was purchased at the Bowers & Ruddy Oct '82 Eliasberg sale by Jack Hancock and Bob Harwell for $3,740. Lot #110.
1839-D Classic Head Quarter Eagle, MS62+ (Gold Shield)
PCGS Coin #7700 / PCGS Serial #38391879 / POP 1/4
One-Year Dahlonega Type Coin, Branch Mint Condition Rarity
PCGS Price Guide Value: $57,500
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
@Currin
Do you have the contact information for the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency? I am trying to ascertain provenance on some of my coins and could use some assistance.
End Systemic Elitism - It Takes All Of Us
How amazing is it that this coin can’t be traced further back than 2019? Glad it has a notable provenance now!
I bet if they looked at the AUs they’d find it.
Given the notable diagnostic over F in OF on the reverse, I wonder how easy it would be to find checking for other grades?
Newman Numismatic Portal has been very helpful in reconnecting coins with their past owners, in my experience. It’s a little clunky to use, at first, but after some practice it’s a great resource.
I much preferred the OGH-55CAC to the 62+ at FUN (that's why I bought it
), especially at 40% of the price. The 55 may someday be a 58, but never an MS coin. I think the same could be said of the 62+ 
BTW, the HA auction record of the 62+ indicates "This Owner is proactively entertaining offers". Why is Hanson offering the coin for sale thru HA immediately after winning it at auction? Usually that is an indication that the HA wholesale dept bought the coin. Are we sure Hanson bought it?
Many winning bidders - some knowingly and others, unknowingly - have their account settings set to entertaining offers.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Unless Mr. Hanson has opted out, HA automatically shows the owner is actively seeking offers on any coins purchased(even years ago!).
I doubt Hansen bid with his own account. I’d expect that DLRC won it on theirs.
Latin American Collection
Yes, I can confirm he purchased the coin. If it is offered for sale, it because the coin realized less than he thought it would. He has multiple coins and maybe more that one duplicate. If coin is immediately being offered, tells me that Hansen does not have an emotional attachment to coin. Same as the 1856-S Half Eagle that he purchased and sold it the next morning for a profit.
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As has been posted to this thread, already, just because a coin shows as “This Owner is proactively entertaining offers” doesn’t necessarily mean the owner knowingly chose to show the coin as being available for sale.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
This is a common source of confusion on Heritage. The text is quite misleading. The owner of a coin should need to enable this option on a coin-by-coin basis. It should be disabled by default.
Thank-you for your comments and clarification. I have never used the function and did not understand how it worked.
Several of you have asked about the Investigator Numismatic Detective Agency by Ron Guth. This is his statement:
...my website is up in a couple of days. I'm charging a fee for individual coin research and there will be a complete list of fees listed there.
I know this information can be interpreted as advertising. I would not make this posting except several of you have asked. If you follow this thread, you should know that I use Mr. Guth’s expert comments many times in my postings. He has been a great help and resource for me, because the D.L Hansen Collection is making numismatic history, and Mr. Guth will be part of that.
Please respect his timeline for offering his services more broadly. If anything change with statement above, I will let you know.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I love the name of this. He should have a detective badge
For the record, the name of the new company is The Numismatic Detective Agency (or NDA). We provide in-depth research on U.S. coins, with an emphasis on provenance and price history. Currin asked me to take a look at the most recent Eliasberg challenge to see if any of Eliasberg’s coins had reappeared with “modern” grades so that a more equitable comparison could be made with Hansen’s coins. The results are as follows:
1854-D Three Dollar: The only Dahlonega-issued coin of this type and a hugely popular coin.
Hansen Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar MS61 PCGS POP 2/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1854-D Three Dollar est. XF45 POP 21/67
Eliasberg’s coin was described a Choice Extremely Fine, with “Two small marks on reverse rim.” The marks appear to be nicks or bruises at 6:30 and 9:00. These may prevent the coin from receiving a higher “modern” grade today and it was not found in an extensive search of EF-AU coins with URL addresses. Thus, Hansen appears to remain the winner.
1875 Three Dollar: A Proof-only issue with a reported mintage of just 20. This was the first US gold coin to eclipse the $100k price barrier, all the way back in the 1970’s.
Hansen Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1875 Three Dollar PCGS PR64CAM PCGS POP 6/4
Tie (1-0-1)
The Eliasberg 1875 $3 is now in a PCGS PR65CAM (25683915). It is not identified as being ex-Eliasberg in PCGS Cert Verification, however, plate-matching clearly links it to the Heritage 2012 sale. NDA made the link this morning. Thus, Eliasberg becomes the winner.
1879 Flowing Hair Stella: Always in demand as a Trophy coin and an issue with an interesting back story.
Hansen Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella PCGS PR67 PCGS POP 1/1
Eliasberg Coin: 1879 Flowing Hair Stella est. PR66 POP 26/3
Hansen Won (2-0-1)
Surprisingly, Eliasberg’s coin does not seem to have reappeared on the market in modern times. Harry Bass did not purchase Eliasberg’s coin, nor does Eliasberg’s coin match any coin in a file of more than 150 images of 1879 Flowing Hair Stellas. This could be a tie, or Hansen could be considered the winner until the Eliasberg coin reappears.
1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle: The very first date of this long-lived denomination and an issue which is more available than one might expect.
Hansen Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 28/18
Eliasberg Coin: 1795 Small Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU58 POP 42/77
Hansen Won (3-0-1)
Eliasberg had seven different examples of the 1795 $5 Small Eagle type, ranging in grade in the 1982 catalog from EF polished to AU50. The best example, a BD-8 sold for $15,400 and was last seen in 2012 in an NGS MS63PL holder. NDA made that connection this morning. Thus, this could be a tie, depending on service preference and any premium associated with the PL designation.
1798 or 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagles: The two most affordable 18th century US gold coins and available in nice AU for a low five-figure cost.
Hansen Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS63 PCGS POP 4/4
Eliasberg Coin: 1798 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. AU55 POP 28/50
Hansen Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle PCGS MS62+ PCGS POP 1/12
Eliasberg Coin: 1799 Large Eagle Half Eagle EST. MS63 POP 10/2
Hansen Won (3-0-2)
Eliasberg had two 1798 $5 Large Eagles. Lot 335 was a BD-6 listed as AU50. The NDA Census for this variety is AU55 or better, which means it could possibly make the Census, but it does not appear to have ever been certified, so it is difficult to tell where the Eliasberg coin fits in. However, there are two NGC MS63’s in the NDA Census, but neither matches the plate in the Eliasberg catalog. Thus, Hansen appears to be the winner.
Eliasberg’s second 1798 $5 Large Eagle was cataloged as “Choice Extremely Fine-45 obverse; AU-50 reverse.” NDA tied that coin this morning to the NGC AU55+ in the Heritage 2015 FUN sale, lot 2105, where no mention was made of the Eliasberg connection. Again, Hansen is the winner.
Eliasberg had seven 1799 Half Eagles, the finest of which was a Small Stars Reverse listed as MS63 obverse, MS65 reverse. That coin does not seem to have appeared on the market in modern times, but considering how Eliasberg coins have been graded after the sale, it is probably at least an MS63, if not better.
Thus, until better evidence is presented, Hansen appears to win on the 1798 $5 Large Eagle and Eliasberg appears to win on the 1799 $5.
IMPORTANT NOTE: the raw grades listed in the Eliasberg collection on the PCGS Set Registry frequently do not match the grades in the catalog (the catalog grades are usually lower). Thus, a degree of caution should be used in making a direct comparison between certified grades of the Hansen collection and the raw grades of the Eliasberg collection. This drives home Tradedollarnut's observation in his earlier post.
Ron Guth, Chief Investigator
The Numismatic Detective Agency
Great work, Ron!
Thanks for sharing.
Hansen-Eliasberg Challenge II – Update
Great detective work Ron. I cannot imagine the size of your database. You do amazing work. Thanks for performing this exercise at my request. When I did a similar challenge last year at this time, I received similar comments and created the same controversy. This is my comment last year:
I hope this to be a fun game that we are playing. In my first week posting, I described this challenge as “an interesting experiment”. It is hard to compare collections a half century apart. Insider2 described as a “fanciful exercise”. I agree.
So, I hope everyone understands this is just for fun and a way to show great coins is a competitive way. The original concept was just to compare the coins as the appeared in the two registry sets. After a couple weeks, I broke my rules and wrote this:
The rule of the game is to compare grades for a predetermined group of coins in Hansen’s Registry set with the Eliasberg’s. I understand this may not be complete and comprehensive comparison, but it is simple. If I find any additional information that could change the results, I may at times break the rule, as I did on this update.
With Ron Guth’s help, we broke the rule to see what happens. This new info changes the results a little, but did not flip the results. So let me provide an update. The new result is 2-1-2 Hansen revised from 3-0-2 Hansen. This changes the overall to 8-5-2 Hansen.
Again, thanks Ron for your contribution. You are the best at what you do. Let’s have fun, I am planning to do something a little different with this weekend posting. If you look at coin #16, you may be able to understand why.
By the way, if you was not riding along for last year's challenge, it is worth you time to go back and take a look. As with this year, there were some great coins in that challenge from both collection.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Hi Currin, thanks for your comments...I'm happy to help. The key to this kind of research is having access to data...which in this case is a combination of my own library, the Newman Numismatic Portal, the PCGS Set Registry, cert verification, True-View images, etc. Even so, it took me about four hours to work on the latest Eliasberg challenge, which was a lot of fun and revealed some interesting things. Keep up the good work on chronicling the Hansen collection. For most of us, this is a way to play with phenomenal coins and live vicariously through Mr. Hansen.
Ron Guth, Chief Investigator
The Numismatic Detective Agency
Dear Mr. Hansen...
Can you please remove #35356018 from your Registry Set (sold more than 1 week ago in the Heritage sale) so that I can register my coin. My first of 2 Official set removal requests that I filed about a week ago still did not get the coin # freed up from your set.
Thank you.
Wondercoin
Mitch, I’m pretty sure you can go through PCGS to get that done.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Type II Gold Dollar upgrade for FUN
One of the perks with hosting this forum, I can show the coin of my choosing. Mr. Hansen gets to choose what he wants to buy, but I get to display what I want to show. As many of you know, I do have a minor personal relationship with Mr. Hansen and Mr. Brush. A few days ago, John sent me a short list of purchases from the Heritage FUN show that he thought to be “highlights”. This coin was not on that list, but one of my favorites. This mere mid five figure coin may not be in the Top 10 for expensive coins purchased. I saw this coin last weekend and my desire to show it has stuck.
Expert Ron Guth describes the Type 2, Indian Princess, Small Head this way: The revision of the $1 gold piece in 1854 coincided with the issuance of the $3 gold piece, both of which were designed by James Barton Longacre (more widely known for his Indian Cent design). The obverse design shows a figure of Liberty, whose head is actually smaller than on the Type One Gold Dollars, but the effect is the same because of the addition of the Indian headdress. The reverse is a nearly exact copy of the Flying Eagle Cent, and was used also on the $3 gold piece. Overall, the diameter of the Type Two Gold Dollar is larger than the Type One, but because the weight remained the same, the thickness was necessarily reduced. In Mint State, the Type Two Gold Dollar is scarce to rare; in Gem condition, it is highly desirable. As of this writing, PCGS has certified only six examples at the MS-67 level, with none finer. Proof examples are known of the 1854 and 1955 dates; all are exceedingly rare.
1854 G$1 Type 2, Indian Princess, Small Head MS66 Dollar
The coin may not be an Hansen highlight for the fact it is not be considered as a condition rarity due to a population of 12, but there are only 4 certified by PCGS as finer. There are two MS66+ and two MS67. Expert David Akers describes the coins as: It is interesting to note that the auction survey indicates that the 1854 Type II and 1855 are virtually of identical rarity, both from the standpoint of number of appearances (222 and 223 respectively) as well as from the standpoint of average grade. The data also indicates that the 1854 Type II is the third most common of all gold dollars, and so the relatively high price it brings is due solely to its being a definite type coin. High grade examples, that is AU or Unc. pieces, are readily available, and even gem specimens are encountered with regularity. Many specimens show numerous clash marks on both obverse and reverse as well as a weakness in the LL of DOLLAR and the 85 of the date. Full date specimens, however, are definitely more common than they are for 1855.
The coin was purchased in the Heritage 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando a week ago. The coin is from The HFW² Collection. I could not find much information on this collection. Approx. 50 coins were offered from the collection with large diverse grouping including a (1616) 6PENCE Sommer Islands Sixpence. There were early high grade proofs, lots of nice gold, and even a set of Panama-Pacific Commemoratives including both Fifties.
Heritage described this coin as: Both the 1854 and 1855 Type Two gold dollar issues are prone to strike weakness as a result of the high-relief design, frequently accompanied by the clash marks that are prevalent on representatives of the type. Q. David Bowers writes in his series Guide Book, expounding on a theme with variations that will be familiar to readers of his work: "The very occasional specimen seen on the market is sharply struck and from perfect dies. Because certification service holders do not mention sharpness or weakness of strike or eye appeal, sometimes it is possible to acquire an attractive and sharp coin for only a small additional amount of money. All things considered, many if not most sophisticated buyers would rather have a sharply struck MS-64 than a lightly struck MS-65 or MS-66. As to buyers who are not sophisticated--and these are the majority--a number such as MS-66 is a siren call that is far more alluring than a technical mention of a sharp strike on an MS-64. More than for either of the other two designs, cherrypicking for a really choice, well-struck Type II can be a worthwhile pursuit." With this piece, no cherrypicking is necessary. The strike is strong throughout. We are tempted to say full, but close examination shows just a bit of softness on the top-right of the 8 in the date. Additionally, there are no clash marks present in the fields, as usually seen. The mint luster is softly frosted and each side displays original reddish-gold color. An exceptional Type Two gold dollar.
I find the realized price for the coin to be interesting. Mr. Hansen purchased the coin for $36,000. PCGS valued the coin at $55,000. That is down from a value of $60,000 on Dec 1, 2019 and high of $65,000 in 2015. Did Mr. Hansen catch a filling star? Heritage has not auctioned a MS66 specimen since 2011, where the coin realized $44,562.50. Also, Heritage list three unconfirmed sales for MS66s since 2015 that realized $70,500, $64,625 and $76,375. So, how was Mr. Hansen able to pick it up for $36,000? If you like to share any thoughts or comments please do so. According to PCGS price guide, the price the coin realized is between a MS65 and MS65+ price. The coin is not CAC approved, so maybe that is a factor.
Provenance: Other than from the The HFW² Collection, I am not able to find out any additional pedigree information.
In comparison, Mr. Eliasberg had a monster 1954 Type II. Estimated grade MS67 purchased at the Bowers & Ruddy Oct '82 Eliasberg sale by Harry Bass for $30,800. Pedigree: Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection - Bowers & Merena 10/1982:25, $30,800 - Bowers & Merena 7/2002:669, $126,500
1854 Type Two Gold Dollar, MS66
PCGS Coin #7531 / PCGS Serial #25532707 / POP 12/4
Sharply Struck, No Die Clashing
Rarely Encountered So Fine
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
True, but it's a bit of a hassle. Since Hansen is selling a tremendous number of duplicates these days, someone managing those sales should probably be more diligent in making sure coins get removed from his inventory when they are sold.
Not being a jerk, but how did it end up in a 66 holder?
I snap a pic of the slab beside my driver's license and email it to David Talk who is the set registry manager.
Same day service in the past
Or you can PM him here...
https://forums.collectors.com/profile/SetRegistryManager
My Saint Set
Hansen-Eliasberg Challenge II – Part IV-a
As previous promised, this week’s posting will have a little different twist. For reasons unknown (maybe an impossible task), Doug Winters did not choose just one date to represent the ‘Fat Head” Half Eagles, he choose the series. The series run is 1813-1829 (Large Diameter). Mr. Winter’s stated that The Fat Head type half eagle, probably my single favorite US coin design. I stated last week (sight unseen) that The Collection with the best Fat Head wins. This will remain true, but there is not one.
The Smithsonian National Numismatic Collection more than likely has the best collection of “Fat Heads” in existence today. A few of the national collection coins are cleaned or defected, but it is the only known current complete set. There have been some great complete sets in the past, Eliasberg, Pogue, and Lilly to name a few. To have a complete set, you must obtain the 1822 Half Eagle, only three are known. There have been an number of other Hall of Fame Collectors that have owned a 1822, like Virgil Brand, B.G. Johnson, David Akers, Harlan Smith, William Dunham, Amon Carter, and others. One very notable Fall of Fame Harry W. Bass never owned the 1822. Mr. Hansen is in a similar boat with Mr. Bass, having assembled a very impressive collection of US Gold, but does not have the 1822. If there is a single must have coin for the D.L. Hansen Collection, if the 1822 Half Eagle is not firmly on the top, then it is very close.
In comparing the Fat Head Coins for the Hansen and Eliasberg Collections, Mr. Hansen’s Collection have three very impressive top three PCGS MS66+ coins, They are the 1821 (Ex: Pogue), 1826 (Ex: Pogue) and the 1829 Large Head (Ex: Pogue/Eliasberg). The Eliasberg Collection top coins are two MS66+ coins, the 1818 (Ex: Pogue) and the 1829 Large Head previously mention that Hansen presently owns. For a quick comparison to Pogue, he had super impressive six MS66+! This is impressive and maybe finest 1813-1829 Half Eagles grouping of Fat Heads ever assembled. There are no PCGS certified Fat Heads dated 1813 - 1829 graded MS67 or better.
Even though, the Hansen Collection have one more MS66+ coin that Eliasberg, being I previously stated the best coin wins, therefor, I will call this challenge a tie. The challenge now stands at to 8-5-3 with the D. L. Hansen Collection leading. These are the four remaining coins in this grouping that we will look at next week.
1829 Small Planchet Half Eagle: First year of type and a great rarity in all grades. One of the few coins on this list I’ve never handled.
1838-C Half Eagle: First-year-of-issue from the brand new Charlotte Mint and a scarce one-year type to boot.
1838-D Half Eagle: A Wow coin for the exact same reasons as its counterpart the 1838-C half eagle.
1861-C Half Eagle: The final coin struck at this mint and an issue with plausible Civil War associations.
Hansen WOW Coins
The Spectacular Naftzger 1821 Half Eagle
Tied for Finest Certified of the Design Type
1821 Capped Head Left Half Eagle. Bass Dannreuther-1. Rarity-6+. Mint State-66+ (PCGS)
PCGS Price Guide: $675,000 / Stacks-Bowers Auction 5/2016: $564,000
Ex: Abe Kosoff; “a well known Texas numismatist,” probably Robert Schermerhorn; R.E. “Ted” Naftzger, Jr. Collection; Paramount’s fixed price list of the R.E. Naftzger, Jr. Collection of Early U.S. Half Eagles, 1981; Paramount (David Akers), by sale, April 1982 - D. Brent Pogue Collection - Stack's/Bowers & Sotheby's 5/2016:4036, $564,000
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The Finest Known Mint State 1826 Half Eagle
From the Stickney, Dunham, and Eliasberg Collections
1826 Capped Head Left Half Eagle. Bass Dannreuther-1. Rarity-5. Mint State-66+ (PCGS)
PCGS Price Guide: $575,000 / Stacks-Bowers Auction 5/2016: $446,500
Ex: Matthew A. Stickney Collection, before 1854; Miss Cornelia A. Stickney and Miss Lucy W. Stickney, by descent, 1895; Henry Chapman’s sale of the Matthew A. Stickney Collection, June 1907, lot 668; William Forrester Dunham Collection; Chester F. Dunham, by descent, 1936; B. Max Mehl’s sale of the William F. Dunham Collection, June 1941, lot 2099; Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection; New Netherlands Coin Company’s 49th sale, June 1957, lot 381; Abe Kosoff’s sale of the Alex Shuford Collection, May 1968, lot 1958; David Akers, by sale, May 1996 - D. Brent Pogue Collection - Stack's/Bowers & Sotheby's 5/2016:4036, $446,500
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Extremely Rare 1829 Large Planchet Half Eagle
Finest Known, The Eliasberg Coin
1829 Capped Head Left Half Eagle. Large Diameter. BD-1. Rarity-7, Mint State-66+ (PCGS)
PCGS Price Guide: $850,000 / Stacks-Bowers Auction 5/2016: $$763,750
Ex: Harlan P. Smith Collection - S.H. & H. Chapman 5/1906:218, $240 - J.M Clapp Collection - John H. Clapp Collection, sold intact in 1942 - Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr. Collection - Bowers & Ruddy 10/1982:387, $82,500 - Marvin Browder Collection - RARCOA, sold privately in 9/1987 - D. Brent Pogue Collection - Stack's/Bowers & Sotheby's 5/2016:4036, $763,750
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
OK now those are nice.
Latin American Collection
Liberty Double Eagle Upgrades
The D. L. Hansen Collection of Liberty Double Eagles can be described as incredible. The collection has PCGS All-Time Finest Set for Liberty Head $20 Gold Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1850-1907). There is no other real competition in this series. At least, no other collection has registered a competitive set. You hear rumors and claims, but as of today, there is no competition. Mr. Hansen replaced two coins purchased in the Heritage 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando.
The Hansen specimens being replaced are not bad coins. One coin that moves to Mr. Hansen’s #2 set is a MS63+ PCGS POP 1/1. The coin is being replaced by a POP 1/0. The other is a MS63+ PCGS POP 4/3 that is replaced with a POP 2/1. I have stated this once before, I believe the Liberty Double Eagles appear to be a set that Mr. Hansen really appreciates. I say this based by coins that he upgrades. This is a set that really don’t need upgrading, except for Mr. Hansen’s desire to make something great, better.
1878-S Liberty Double Eagle MS64
Expert David Akers described this Double Eagle as: The 1878-S is most definitely not a common date. It is not particularly scarce in circulated grades but in strictly uncirculated condition it is very difficult to find. Overall, the 1878-S is more rare than the 1875-S and 1877-S and on a par with the 1874-S. It is far rarer than the common 1876-S. This date is most often available in EF or lower grades although AU's are also seen fairly often. In average uncirculated condition, the 1878-S is very scarce and in choice or gem mint state it is decidedly rare. In my opinion, this issue, as well as the 1879-S, 1880-S, 1881-S, and 1882-S, are all very underrated in uncirculated condition. Expert Ron Guth added: The Saddle Ridge Hoard of gold coins, discovered in northern California in 2013, contained thirty-four 1878-S $20s, of which twenty-seven were gradeable, four were Mint State, and one was tied for Finest Known.
1878-S Double Eagle, MS64
Sole Finest at PCGS, POP 1/0
Certification #84079673, PCGS #8987
PCGS Price Guide: $45,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $43,200
Provenance: Unknown
Heritage Description: The 2013 Saddle Ridge Hoard included 34 1878-S double eagles, including a Select Uncirculated representative that was then-tied for finest known. Today, this near-Gem representative, whose origin is unknown, reigns alone atop the PCGS Population Report. Its honey-gold surfaces radiate swirling mint frost, and the raised devices on each side are fully struck. Post-mint imperfections are microscopic. There is a small speck of struck-in grease above the 7 and a couple of raised die lumps on Liberty's cheek. The single-finest example we have ever handled, and the same goes for PCGS.
1882-S Liberty Double Eagle MS64
Expert David Akers wrote: The 1882-S is not a particularly scarce date but it is certainly harder to find in choice condition than most people realize. Overall, the 1882-S is similar in rarity to the 1879-S, 1885-S, 1888-S, 1892-S, 1893-S, 1901-S and 1905-S but it is much more rare in Unc. than any of those dates except the 1879-S. When available, which is fairly regularly, the 1882-S is typically only VF or EF. Choice and gem quality uncs do exist but they are surprisingly rare. Expert Ron Guth added: The Saddle Ridge Hoard of gold coins, discovered in northern California in 2013, contained seventy 1882-S $20s, including two ungradeable coins, fifteen Mint State examples, and one new Second Finest Known (a single PCGS MS64+).
1882-S Twenty Dollar, Vibrant MS64
High Condition Census Coin, POP 2/1
Certification #25696057, PCGS #8998
PCGS Price Guide: $35,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $24,000
Provenance: The "So Cal" Collection
Heritage Description: In our estimation this near-Gem coin is certainly one of the finest 1882-S twenties known, and it is a candidate for an even finer grade. Vibrant rose-gold surfaces emit bright and flashy cartwheel luster, while the strike is extra-sharp for an 1882-S. Every minute detail is crisply defined, including an unlisted S/S mintmark, with the faint curve of an initial S well below the primary mintmark. We wonder if this coin came out of the Saddle Ridge Hoard, which contained 65 examples, but just one piece graded MS64+ that ranks as the current-finest known at either PCGS or NGC. Regardless of its origins, the finely frosted surfaces are virtually unimprovable for an issue that has yet to yield a fully Gem certification at PCGS or NGC despite a large mintage of 1,125,000 pieces. This is also the first MS64 we have offered in the past 20+ years of our auction archives.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Awesome. Thanks for the info!
St. Gaudens Double Eagle Upgrades
The Rollo Fox Collection of $20 Saint-Gaudens Gold, Mr. Hansen was successful in purchasing three specimens. In recent upgrades to this series, The D. L. Hansen Collection upgraded five St. Gaudens coins with three of them coming from the Fox Collection. This is a series that Mr. Hansen is making upgrades but does not appear to have an aggressive priority to upgrade. The D. L. Hansen Collection of Saint-Gaudens moves up to #2 on PCGS Current Finest Registry for PCGS coins, but information has been provide several times by Legends that “Heggie” has a finer set of PCGS coins that is not registered.
The three upgrades from the Fox Collection purchased in the Heritage 2020 FUN US Coins Signature Auction in Orlando are a close date range of 1910 to 1911. The Finest graded coin is 1911-D Double Eagle specimen MS67+, POP 2/0. This coin is not CAC Approved, but the other two are approved. These coins are going to look great in the Hansen Collection of Gold Coins. With the two Liberty Double Eagles shared a couple days ago, it appears Mr. Hansen shows interest in his $20 Gold. Would you like to see St. Gaudens Double Eagles?
1910-D Twenty Dollar, MS66+
Expert David Akers described this Double Eagle as: The 1910-D is one of the scarcest of the early mintmarked Saint-Gaudens $20 issues, although it cannot be called rare by any means. Below full MS-65, it can be found with little or no difficulty and in gem condition it is very scarce but certainly not rare. My notes indicate I have seen two examples that I called "Superb MS-67" at the time but whether or not they would grade that high by today's standards I am not sure. Suffice to say that a superb 1910-D is a major rarity. The 1910-D is typically well struck with very slightly satiny surfaces and a trace of granularity. Lustre is typically very good, better than on the 1908-D With Motto, 1909-D or 1911-D in general. The color is most often a light to medium orange gold, but some light greenish gold and orange ones exist as well.
1910-D Twenty Dollar, MS66+ CAC Approved
Glittering Registry Coin
Two Finer Examples at PCGS, POP 7/2
Certification #37543058, PCGS #9155
PCGS Price Guide: $30,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $19,200
Provenance: Bob R. Simpson Collection - Fox Collection
Description: The 1910-D represents a widely collectible branch mint issue from the early part of the Saint-Gaudens series. While fewer than a half million examples were struck, the 1910-D has one of the highest survival rates with an estimated 15,000 pieces extant. That includes a majority of coins repatriated from overseas holdings in MS63 and MS64 condition. Those numbers fall substantially in MS65 and MS66, and plummet in higher grades. In fact, there are only two coins certified finer than this MS66+ coin at each service. Additionally, CAC has endorsed merely 17 Premium Gems and two Superb Gems (9/19). Simply put, this Plus-graded, CAC-approved example ranks among the very finest 1910-D twenties available, a serious consideration for any advanced Registry player. Virtually unabraded surfaces glitter with vibrant satiny mint luster. They feature splashes of deep orange and pale lilac and green accents amid warm yellow-gold tones. Liberty face and torch fingers, the Capitol, and the eagle's feathers and talons are all strongly rendered.
1911-D Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS67+
David Akers wrote: This is one of the most common dates of the entire series. It is available in quantity in all Mint State grades up to and including MS-64. Even gems are fairly common and can be located with relatively little effort. After the 1908 No Motto, this is the most common of all the early (pre-1920) issues. A small number of superb, nearly perfect examples of this issue are known to exist. Most examples of this issue have finely granular surfaces and a satiny texture and lustre. However, many specimens are fully frosty. The strike is invariably very sharp, and lustre is no better than average for the series. Color is typically a light to medium orange gold, sometimes with a slight greenish gold tint. The mintmark on many specimens is boldly double punched.
1911-D Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS67+
Tied for Finest Certified at PCGS (Bob R. Simpson)
Certification #37543065, PCGS #9158, POP 2/0
PCGS Price Guide: $85,000 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $ $55,200
Provenance: Dr. Thaine B. Price Collection - Fox Collection
Heritage Description: From a mintage of 846,500 pieces, the 1911-D Saint-Gaudens double eagle is surprisingly available in high grade today. The coins were all struck in the first half of the year, before the fiscal year ended in June. Roger W. Burdette estimates as many as 415,000 examples may have been used in foreign trade with Europe and Latin America, escaping the wholesale melting that wiped out the later issues of the series, after the Gold Recall of 1933. Thousands of these coins were repatriated in later years, after restrictions on gold imports were relaxed in 1972. Burdette believes approximately 25,000 examples of the 1911-D are extant, making it the most available branch mint issue of the early series in today's market. The 1911-D is readily available in all grades through the MS65 level, and even MS66-graded coins can be found with a little patience. It seems likely that a large group of several thousand coins was held untouched in the original bags and repatriated from Central America in recent times, accounting for the high percentage of coins that are graded MS65, or better. The population drops off precipitously at the MS67 level, and the present coin is tied with the Morse-Duckor-Simpson example for the title of finest certified at PCGS (8/19). The present coin traces its history to the fabulous collection of Dr, Thaine B. Price, one of the foremost collections of Saint-Gaudens coinage of all time. Akers went on to compare this coin to the magnificent Eliasberg specimen of the 1910-S double eagle he had described in lot 84 of the Price catalog, finding the two examples to be of equal quality, a mark of distinction for any coin. This spectacular Plus-graded Superb Gem will be an upgrade to all but one collection or PCGS Registry Set of Saint-Gaudens double eagles.
1911-S Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS66+
Expert David Akers wrote: The 1911-S is very comparable in overall rarity and condition rarity to the 1910-S. Below the gem (MS-65) level it is a decidedly common issue, and literally thousands of Mint State examples exist. In 1983, a hoard of several thousand examples of this issue was uncovered in Central America and many were of relatively high quality. The hoard also contained a number of gems. I have seen just a few pieces better than MS-65, none of which had anything close to the "eye appeal" of the best examples of 1908-S, 1910-S or even 1909-S. The 1911-S is nearly always very sharply struck and the surfaces are finely granular and frosty. (I don't recall ever seeing a satiny one like the usual 1910-S.) Lustre is generally only average at best and often below average for the series. In fact, one is not likely to find a 1911-S with the lustre of the average 1910-S. Color is almost always very good; a light to medium orange gold color is standard.
1911-S Saint-Gaudens Double Eagle, MS66+ CAC Approved
Only One Finer Coin at PCGS (Kutasi Collection)
Certification #37543068, PCGS #9159
PCGS Price Guide: $26,500 / Heritage 2020 FUN: $ $25,200
Provenance: Fox Collection
Heritage Description: The 1911-S Saint-Gaudens double eagle has a reported mintage of 757,750 pieces, with most of the coins delivered in February and March and some sizeable deliveries in September and December. Most of the mintage was initially stored in Mint and treasury vaults, but later paid out in overseas transactions with European and Latin American destinations. Many specimens have been repatriated in recent times, including a large number of pieces that surfaced in a Central American hoard of 47,000 double eagles discovered in the early 1980s. Roger W. Burdette estimates the surviving population at approximately 14,000 examples in all grades. The 1911-S can be easily located in grades up to the Gem level, but specimens in MS66 condition are elusive, and finer coins are virtually unobtainable. This Plus-graded Premium Gem exhibits sharply detailed design elements in most areas, with just a trace of softness on the upper torch. The virtually flawless orange-gold surfaces radiate vibrant mint luster, with terrific eye appeal.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Wow!!
Dell Loy seems to be rocking in gold. Perhaps we need to track how his gold collection matches up with the Bass collection, since he it's really beginning to exceed Eliasberg in gold from 1795 on.
Awesome colour on that 1910-D.
Smitten with DBLCs.