Went ahead and sent my next 5 A-Mark pieces to PCGS. They didn't look as good as the first 5 that graded 69PL, 69PL, 68PL, 68PL and 67DM but I figure these should get at least 3 68PL so what the heck.
And......I wanted to push the monster thread one post closer to 10,000! Are we gonna have a party?
Ok, so I went ahead and submitted 2 out of my 5 hockey pucks (because I thought these 2 looked nicer than the other 3) and got a 68 PL for my Grand Canyon and a 68 DM for my Mount Hood. So, are these valuable? I lost track of this thread about 3000 posts ago and I couldn't find any with the same grades on the completed auctions on e-bay so I am pretty much clueless as to what these are worth (i.e. can I retire yet?
Ok, so I went ahead and submitted 2 out of my 5 hockey pucks (because I thought these 2 looked nicer than the other 3) and got a 68 PL for my Grand Canyon and a 68 DM for my Mount Hood. So, are these valuable?
Ebay shows sales at $600 to $750 a coin. Thats double what you'd get for a raw coin. I'd offer 'em out quick because it seems rampant gradeflation is in progress on these.
<< <i>Well, an NGC 70 has crept up...how long do you think it will be before pcgs starts giving out those? I may wait a couple of weeks before I submit more just in case. Linkydink >>
WOW, a PCGS can't be far behind....
I say that it will bring $6K. Any other guesses??
Also, it looks to me like there is a visible spot/ding near the "C" in Calif. as well as the usual swath of a different grain (for lack of a better term) near the rim from about 9 - 11 o'clock. I don't see how this is a true 70. May well be in response to the DMPLs. The ER deadline is past but they still are likely grading ones that arrived w/in the deadline. This may have been graded after word of the DMPLs got out. >>
First I'd say that's no 70, but as far as the hammer, I', guessing 10K +...
So, 36 more reported grades and ALL but 4 classified as PL or DM.....still on track for 90% PL/DM
On one submission of 10 coins there was only 1 coin not a PL/DM and that had to be body bagged not to get the designation. Too bad on this one 'cuz it would have been cool to have a PL details grade coin.
I can't see why a rim smash (if that's what it was) negates the rest of the coin being PL
<< <i>Well, an NGC 70 has crept up...how long do you think it will be before pcgs starts giving out those? I may wait a couple of weeks before I submit more just in case. Linkydink >>
WOW, a PCGS can't be far behind....
I say that it will bring $6K. Any other guesses??
Also, it looks to me like there is a visible spot/ding near the "C" in Calif. as well as the usual swath of a different grain (for lack of a better term) near the rim from about 9 - 11 o'clock. I don't see how this is a true 70. May well be in response to the DMPLs. The ER deadline is past but they still are likely grading ones that arrived w/in the deadline. This may have been graded after word of the DMPLs got out. >>
First I'd say that's no 70, but as far as the hammer, I', guessing 10K +... >>
I'd agree with you if it was an PCGS graded coins...I would be surprised if it even hits $4k
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
Well an NGC Mount Hood 69 PL hit 4K recently, although the late to the game dmpl stance may force a dip across the board. However, if all or most all the pcgs coins are now being given dmpl status the NGC PL's may hold their own. Should be fun to watch..
<< <i>Well an NGC Mount Hood 69 PL hit 4K recently, although the late to the game dmpl stance may force a dip across the board. However, if all or most all the pcgs coins are now being given dmpl status the NGC PL's may hold their own. Should be fun to watch.. >>
<< <i>Well an NGC Mount Hood 69 PL hit 4K recently, although the late to the game dmpl stance may force a dip across the board. However, if all or most all the pcgs coins are now being given dmpl status the NGC PL's may hold their own. Should be fun to watch.. >>
I think the NGC PLs will hold their value. The PCGS DMPL freeforall OTOH is going to crater the market for PCGS graded coins. Its going to make for a very confused marketplace in any case.
<< <i>Well an NGC Mount Hood 69 PL hit 4K recently, although the late to the game dmpl stance may force a dip across the board. However, if all or most all the pcgs coins are now being given dmpl status the NGC PL's may hold their own. Should be fun to watch.. >>
I think the NGC PLs will hold their value. The PCGS DMPL freeforall OTOH is going to crater the market for PCGS graded coins. Its going to make for a very confused marketplace in any case. >>
OMG you hit the nail on the head. I am confused.
I am glad it took Fidelitrade so long to send me my set. I am about to send in 3 sets to PCGS for submission.
Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
<< <i><< By the way, who here, besides me, is guilty of reading every one of the almost 10K posts on this thread? >> Me >> Me too....it is a daily ritual >> Every post has past by these eyes of mine.... >>
I must confess, I am guilty... very guilty... extremely guilty of all of the above. It's like a soap opera, I just can't pull myself away. Daily checks??? Ahhh, certainly multiple visits in a day. When the AP news flow was fresh and full of activity, it was more like constant monitoring with one tab set on the thread at all times...
I'm now glad that I've submitted nothing to either NGC or PCGS for grading at this point.
Instead, I plan to load my four sets (yes four, I'm a bad person too, I guess)...into the car and submit them in person at a future show. And that doesn't even include the still to come extra-special, super duper numismatic set!
It's just unfortunate that the major graders in this instance don't seem to have had a feel for the product before rendering opinions re condition.
<< <i>I'm now glad that I've submitted nothing to either NGC or PCGS for grading at this point.
Instead, I plan to load my four sets (yes four, I'm a bad person too, I guess)...into the car and submit them in person at a future show. And that doesn't even include the still to come extra-special, super duper numismatic set!
It's just unfortunate that the major graders in this instance don't seem to have had a feel for the product before rendering opinions re condition. >>
Especially considering they saw them way before we did.....
Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins.
I came in late only read half the post. They did help me get sets from A-mark and MTB,for that I don't know if to thank you or curse you. It has been interesting reading and very informative cant wait to see what happens next.I have been reading a book by Theodore Roosevelt, The man responsible for starting the national park system so we can blame him for all this. The book is Outdoor pastimes of an american hunter written in 1905 in it he speaks of the need for parks to save the wildlife, very good read and yes the book is 106 years old very musty and brittle. Sorry back to hockey pucks.
I don't think that this is grade-flation from PCGS either. There are not more 69s, just lot of DM and or PL (actually not many DMPLs). I'm must also be very bad person as I've had lots of sets. MANY of the pucks are either DM or PL. PCGS is just recognizing this. I think that they are spot on and I appreciate it.
I also think that NGC has very much cut back on the PLs for no apparent reason. Several of the ones that I just got back absolutely should have been PLs based on a side-by-side comparison w/actual NGC PLs.
On the other hand, that NGC 70 is just B.S. NOT a 70, no way. Makes no sense.
If I were Scottsman, I'd have never done 7 day auction - where there's one, more will follow. I'd have done 3 or 5 day max.
I think we just have to admit that PL is how most if not all of these coins were manufactured and PCGS has been a little late in recognizing it but has now agreed. DMPL appears to be the special one now, and non PL are not as good. I think that all 4 suppliers that sold to the public in large quantities are represented by these numbers, and you can't just blame cherry picking or overly great coins from FideliTrade for these numbers. PL is the norm, we have to accept it, we can't keep the market for these up forever, the numbers will come out eventually.
<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
<< <i>I don't think that this is grade-flation from PCGS either. There are not more 69s, just lot of DM and or PL (actually not many DMPLs). I'm must also be very bad person as I've had lots of sets. MANY of the pucks are either DM or PL. PCGS is just recognizing this. I think that they are spot on and I appreciate it.
I also think that NGC has very much cut back on the PLs for no apparent reason. Several of the ones that I just got back absolutely should have been PLs based on a side-by-side comparison w/actual NGC PLs.
On the other hand, that NGC 70 is just B.S. NOT a 70, no way. Makes no sense.
If I were Scottsman, I'd have never done 7 day auction - where there's one, more will follow. I'd have done 3 or 5 day max. >>
I think there is no such thing as a plain DM - DM is automatically DMPL. - Again i think - if others can chime in...
<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire. >>
So did Fidelitrade start shipping their coins in boxes and airtites? Because I looked up their website and it still says in bubble wrap bags.
<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire. >>
So did Fidelitrade start shipping their coins in boxes and airtites? Because I looked up their website and it still says in bubble wrap bags. >>
A couple pages back I think CAKES said they are now in Air-Tites, and a 4x4x4 box. I just hope they aren't shipping out the returns they got since it appears at least one person on this forum returned a set due to damage.
My Fidelitrade set -shipped in bubblewrap- is very very nice with no obvious damage on any of the coins(exponentially better than the PCGS choice BU set from Amark)-I'll send them all into PCGS soon for grading and post here once I get results.
<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire. >>
<< <i>A couple pages back I think CAKES said they are now in Air-Tites, and a 4x4x4 box. I just hope they aren't shipping out the returns they got since it appears at least one person on this forum returned a set due to damage. >>
That is correct, I just got in a set a couple days ago. Small 4X4 box, each coin in an air-tite, then dropped in the small bubble wrap sleeve. Then all covered with a thin amount of foam and stuffed in the little 4X4 box. Much better then the first shipments.
Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
<< <i>I don't think that this is grade-flation from PCGS either. There are not more 69s, just lot of DM and or PL (actually not many DMPLs). I'm must also be very bad person as I've had lots of sets. MANY of the pucks are either DM or PL. PCGS is just recognizing this. I think that they are spot on and I appreciate it.
I also think that NGC has very much cut back on the PLs for no apparent reason. Several of the ones that I just got back absolutely should have been PLs based on a side-by-side comparison w/actual NGC PLs.
On the other hand, that NGC 70 is just B.S. NOT a 70, no way. Makes no sense.
If I were Scottsman, I'd have never done 7 day auction - where there's one, more will follow. I'd have done 3 or 5 day max. >>
I think there is no such thing as a plain DM - DM is automatically DMPL. - Again i think - if others can chime in... >>
The coin can have Deep Mirrors but not PL like contrast between field and devices.
<< <i>I thought mine would come DM, but when they arrived they were DMPL >>
Same here... on PCGS website, i saw the grade as plain 69DM and 68DM, but the coin number was identical to the coin numbers that i saw on ebay that were 69DMPL and 68DMPL
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And......I wanted to push the monster thread one post closer to 10,000! Are we gonna have a party?
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<< <i>PCGS will grade a coin that's MS 71 DMPL! Just to shut NGC up. LoL. >>
MS71+ DMPLAUCTKACFPK (MS 71+ DMPL Ulmost Ultra Cam, Totally Kick A*^ Coin, Finest Puck Known) - could happen.
That 70 is SUCH B.S. Most of us have a 69 that looks better.
There is much at stake if objectivity is lost in the quest for more grading $. Objecivity is key, not one-upsmanship.
<< <i>By the way, who here, besides me, is guilty of reading every one of the almost 10K posts on this thread?
Every single one.
I've never seen a 10K thread.
I hope that Jesse gets the honor of the ten-thousandth post.
And to think that this thread is only three months old today. Incredible.
Ebay shows sales at $600 to $750 a coin. Thats double what you'd get for a raw coin. I'd offer 'em out quick because it seems rampant gradeflation is in progress on these.
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<< <i>Well, an NGC 70 has crept up...how long do you think it will be before pcgs starts giving out those?
I may wait a couple of weeks before I submit more just in case.
Linkydink >>
WOW, a PCGS can't be far behind....
I say that it will bring $6K. Any other guesses??
Also, it looks to me like there is a visible spot/ding near the "C" in Calif. as well as the usual swath of a different grain (for lack of a better term) near the rim from about 9 - 11 o'clock. I don't see how this is a true 70. May well be in response to the DMPLs. The ER deadline is past but they still are likely grading ones that arrived w/in the deadline. This may have been graded after word of the DMPLs got out. >>
First I'd say that's no 70, but as far as the hammer, I', guessing 10K +...
On one submission of 10 coins there was only 1 coin not a PL/DM and that had to be body bagged not to get the designation. Too bad on this one 'cuz it would have been cool to have a PL details grade coin.
I can't see why a rim smash (if that's what it was) negates the rest of the coin being PL
Also....notice the NGC 70 is not a PL
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<< <i>Well, an NGC 70 has crept up...how long do you think it will be before pcgs starts giving out those?
I may wait a couple of weeks before I submit more just in case.
Linkydink >>
WOW, a PCGS can't be far behind....
I say that it will bring $6K. Any other guesses??
Also, it looks to me like there is a visible spot/ding near the "C" in Calif. as well as the usual swath of a different grain (for lack of a better term) near the rim from about 9 - 11 o'clock. I don't see how this is a true 70. May well be in response to the DMPLs. The ER deadline is past but they still are likely grading ones that arrived w/in the deadline. This may have been graded after word of the DMPLs got out. >>
First I'd say that's no 70, but as far as the hammer, I', guessing 10K +... >>
I'd agree with you if it was an PCGS graded coins...I would be surprised if it even hits $4k
<< <i>Well an NGC Mount Hood 69 PL hit 4K recently, although the late to the game dmpl stance may force a dip across the board. However, if all or most all the pcgs coins are now being given dmpl status the NGC PL's may hold their own. Should be fun to watch.. >>
I just bought plenty of popcorn
Interesting that they sold almost twice the silver eagles as last year....and that was with limited availability
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<< <i>Well an NGC Mount Hood 69 PL hit 4K recently, although the late to the game dmpl stance may force a dip across the board. However, if all or most all the pcgs coins are now being given dmpl status the NGC PL's may hold their own. Should be fun to watch.. >>
I think the NGC PLs will hold their value. The PCGS DMPL freeforall OTOH is going to crater the market for PCGS graded coins. Its going to make for a very confused marketplace in any case.
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<< <i>Well an NGC Mount Hood 69 PL hit 4K recently, although the late to the game dmpl stance may force a dip across the board. However, if all or most all the pcgs coins are now being given dmpl status the NGC PL's may hold their own. Should be fun to watch.. >>
I think the NGC PLs will hold their value. The PCGS DMPL freeforall OTOH is going to crater the market for PCGS graded coins. Its going to make for a very confused marketplace in any case. >>
OMG you hit the nail on the head. I am confused.
I am glad it took Fidelitrade so long to send me my set. I am about to send in 3 sets to PCGS for submission.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
<< <i>By the way, who here, besides me, is guilty of reading every one of the almost 10K posts on this thread?
Me
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<< <i>By the way, who here, besides me, is guilty of reading every one of the almost 10K posts on this thread?
Me >>
Me too....it is a daily ritual
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<< <i>By the way, who here, besides me, is guilty of reading every one of the almost 10K posts on this thread?
Me >>
Me too....it is a daily ritual
Every post has past by these eyes of mine....
<< <i><< By the way, who here, besides me, is guilty of reading every one of the almost 10K posts on this thread? >> Me >> Me too....it is a daily ritual
I must confess, I am guilty... very guilty... extremely guilty of all of the above. It's like a soap opera, I just can't pull myself away. Daily checks??? Ahhh, certainly multiple visits in a day. When the AP news flow was fresh and full of activity, it was more like constant monitoring with one tab set on the thread at all times...
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Instead, I plan to load my four sets (yes four, I'm a bad person too, I guess)...into the car and submit them in person at a future show. And that doesn't even include the still to come extra-special, super duper numismatic set!
It's just unfortunate that the major graders in this instance don't seem to have had a feel for the product before rendering opinions re condition.
<< <i>I'm now glad that I've submitted nothing to either NGC or PCGS for grading at this point.
Instead, I plan to load my four sets (yes four, I'm a bad person too, I guess)...into the car and submit them in person at a future show. And that doesn't even include the still to come extra-special, super duper numismatic set!
It's just unfortunate that the major graders in this instance don't seem to have had a feel for the product before rendering opinions re condition. >>
Especially considering they saw them way before we did.....
I also think that NGC has very much cut back on the PLs for no apparent reason. Several of the ones that I just got back absolutely should have been PLs based on a side-by-side comparison w/actual NGC PLs.
On the other hand, that NGC 70 is just B.S. NOT a 70, no way. Makes no sense.
If I were Scottsman, I'd have never done 7 day auction - where there's one, more will follow. I'd have done 3 or 5 day max.
Mine was on p.7 around 01:00 on Dec. 4 when the thread was about 6 hours old.
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Do you think you will be successful when the Mint puts its 27,000 numismatic version of the 2010 America the Beautiful 5-ounce coin sets on sale?
I expect I won’t be.
I don’t intend to order one.
It is expensive. The bullion version has caused no end of problems among hobbyists and many feel cheated.
There were 33,000 of the bullion sets. They are still not all delivered. Some are likely to be not even be sold yet by the Authorized Purchasers.
Since the numismatic version has a lower mintage, I expect there will be quite a clamor for them.
Everybody will be watching the Mint for the least little misstep. That’s a given.
But when the time comes to actually attempt to place an order, I will be absent.
I don’t want to be frustrated, and most of all, I know I will not be buying two sets a year, bullion and numismatic, until 2021.
For me, it is better not to start.
<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
<< <i>I don't think that this is grade-flation from PCGS either. There are not more 69s, just lot of DM and or PL (actually not many DMPLs). I'm must also be very bad person as I've had lots of sets. MANY of the pucks are either DM or PL. PCGS is just recognizing this. I think that they are spot on and I appreciate it.
I also think that NGC has very much cut back on the PLs for no apparent reason. Several of the ones that I just got back absolutely should have been PLs based on a side-by-side comparison w/actual NGC PLs.
On the other hand, that NGC 70 is just B.S. NOT a 70, no way. Makes no sense.
If I were Scottsman, I'd have never done 7 day auction - where there's one, more will follow. I'd have done 3 or 5 day max. >>
I think there is no such thing as a plain DM - DM is automatically DMPL. - Again i think - if others can chime in...
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<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire. >>
So did Fidelitrade start shipping their coins in boxes and airtites? Because I looked up their website and it still says in bubble wrap bags.
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<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire. >>
So did Fidelitrade start shipping their coins in boxes and airtites? Because I looked up their website and it still says in bubble wrap bags. >>
I'll know tomorrow when I pick mine up at fedex
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<< <i>Everyone keeps harping that PL/DM coins are the norm, maybe, but the sample size from PCGS is from one supplier. If all the coins were on the market and all the suppliers were represented in the POPs I may agree. It is my opinion that you can't jump to this conclusion, only Amark, some Fildeitrade coins, which very well may be the first coins struck are garnering those percentages, and those are the cherry picked coins. >>
It's heartbreaking to consider that FideliTrade may have gotten the best coins but ruined many with their poor handling and packaging. It's also ironic in that they were the easiest to acquire. >>
<< <i>A couple pages back I think CAKES said they are now in Air-Tites, and a 4x4x4 box. I just hope they aren't shipping out the returns they got since it appears at least one person on this forum returned a set due to damage. >>
That is correct, I just got in a set a couple days ago. Small 4X4 box, each coin in an air-tite, then dropped in the small bubble wrap sleeve. Then all covered with a thin amount of foam and stuffed in the little 4X4 box. Much better then the first shipments.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
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<< <i>I don't think that this is grade-flation from PCGS either. There are not more 69s, just lot of DM and or PL (actually not many DMPLs). I'm must also be very bad person as I've had lots of sets. MANY of the pucks are either DM or PL. PCGS is just recognizing this. I think that they are spot on and I appreciate it.
I also think that NGC has very much cut back on the PLs for no apparent reason. Several of the ones that I just got back absolutely should have been PLs based on a side-by-side comparison w/actual NGC PLs.
On the other hand, that NGC 70 is just B.S. NOT a 70, no way. Makes no sense.
If I were Scottsman, I'd have never done 7 day auction - where there's one, more will follow. I'd have done 3 or 5 day max. >>
I think there is no such thing as a plain DM - DM is automatically DMPL. - Again i think - if others can chime in... >>
The coin can have Deep Mirrors but not PL like contrast between field and devices.
<< <i>I thought mine would come DM, but when they arrived they were DMPL >>
Same here... on PCGS website, i saw the grade as plain 69DM and 68DM, but the coin number was identical to the coin numbers that i saw on ebay that were 69DMPL and 68DMPL
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