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New development??? I found a sale this evening for an empty blue monster box for the pucks. The e-mail contact for inquiries is a CnT e-mail address. Interesting as this may show correct timing for them having recently moved coins to packaging materials.
<< <i>New development??? I found a sale this evening for an empty blue monster box for the pucks. The e-mail contact for inquiries is a CnT e-mail address. Interesting as this may show correct timing for them having recently moved coins to packaging materials. >>
They first sold a lone case on January 4, 2011. eBay
Edit: This is only their second case up for sale, I have had my eye on that account since the first one went up.
I don't know why these things drive me nuts, but they do. I see it all over the web, on investing threads, blogs and on this thread in spades. It's almost as bad as misspelling "huge" as "hugh", which also drives me nuts:
Lose (pronounced "looz") - "The APs will not lose money on the ATBs if the price of silver continues to rise, only potential profits"
Loose (pronounced "loos") - "I'll be looking for some loose women tonight after I sell all my ATBs"
"Loosing" is not a word, at least it's not a word in the English language. "Losing" is what you're looking for...
Well finally broke down and sent my forms into fidelitrade leaving for calif for 2 weeks. So I figure by the time I get back they'll be on there way. If they have any left. That way I can skip the phone with coins and things. Good luck everyone...................
<< <i>I don't know why these things drive me nuts, but they do. I see it all over the web, on investing threads, blogs and on this thread in spades. It's almost as bad as misspelling "huge" as "hugh", which also drives me nuts:
Lose (pronounced "looz") - "The APs will not lose money on the ATBs if the price of silver continues to rise, only potential profits"
Loose (pronounced "loos") - "I'll be looking for some loose women tonight after I sell all my ATBs"
"Loosing" is not a word, at least it's not a word in the English language. "Losing" is what you're looking for...
I wonder what kinds of payments coins-n-thangz will take. Probably doesn't matter anyway. They'll sell out of their remaining 100 sets way before the 2 hour time frame runs out.
<< <i>Well finally broke down and sent my forms into fidelitrade leaving for calif for 2 weeks. So I figure by the time I get back they'll be on there way. If they have any left. That way I can skip the phone with coins and things. Good luck everyone................... >>
Are they taking new orders? I thought that they were sold out.
<< <i>I wonder what kinds of payments coins-n-thangz will take. Probably doesn't matter anyway. They'll sell out of their remaining 100 sets way before the 2 hour time frame runs out. >>
CnT is an enigma. One CnT sighting since this crazy debacle started.
When I saw the CnT website update - "Due to overwhelming demand order requests will begin by PHONE ONLY.".
Really? CnT sales are going "to begin" now?
Yep, I think 100 sets or less for sale probably. The dreck of the dreck remaining from the cherry picking process that put a boatload of coins out there to the cable TV coin sale shows.
Then again, I'm only speculating. Maybe they've got their packaging and will sell, sell, sell, once a week 'til they are sold out'.
Or maybe not. WTH. I'll call 'em. See what happens. That CnT doesn't tell you anything on that measly web page makes me suspect the worst.
I will call them and try to get through but if I don't it is no big deal. I have 3 sets already. I think I will try to sell one set off singly and see how that turns out. Nothing like taking a little profit to offset the expenses. Maybe a couple tomorrow.
<< <i>Well finally broke down and sent my forms into fidelitrade leaving for calif for 2 weeks. So I figure by the time I get back they'll be on there way. If they have any left. That way I can skip the phone with coins and things. Good luck everyone................... >>
Are they taking new orders? I thought that they were sold out. >>
As far as I can guess, FT, AM, and MTB still have sets....none show "sold out" at least on their perspective websites. Amark can't have many, though.
What are the "things" that CNT carries?
Successful transactions with keepdachange, tizofthe, adriana, wondercoin
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market. >>
Yikes, the seller philoblackhart just dumped a bunch of sets.
While 440 is a lot, many more auctions now are selling as singles, so a number that high could be potentially misleading if you're comparing it to past numbers.
Successful transactions with keepdachange, tizofthe, adriana, wondercoin
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market. >>
Yikes, the seller philoblackhart just dumped a bunch of sets.
While 440 is a lot, many more auctions now are selling as singles, so a number that high could be potentially misleading if you're comparing it to past numbers. >>
Is philoblackhart a dealer? Does anyone know him/her?
I'm very interested in what other forum members think of the future of these pucks?
If one has some to sell, better to just unload them now prior to the numis. versions, while silver is high, etc. or to hold (for those that can afford to do so)? Will these go up in time or just keep falling? W/over 400 auctions are we nearing the bottom price wise? What do you think?
It will be interesting as well to see if ER coins/sets bring a premium once the non-ER ones start hitting the market. The NGC 69 sets are holding at around $3100, down about $800 in two or so weeks. Seems like yesterday when they were an easy $5K.
I'm trying my best to hold as many of the ATB 5 oz as I can for the longer haul. If these didn't exist, I'd be stacking silver anyway, and these present a fairly low mintage item at the bottom of a series that has potential for growing a collector base (not to mention the prices from the APs are close to spot). If it doesn't build a collector base, then hopefully they will appreciate because of their PM content. Plus, I'm a sucker for the national parks.
Successful transactions with keepdachange, tizofthe, adriana, wondercoin
I think the price of an ungraded set is kinda found its' base while the graded coins are all, umm, messed up because of the grading rule changes swicherroo's at NGC and PCGS. No clue where that will lead....selling graded single should be safer but there is presently no defined stable criteria for determining value because of the TPG switches.
There are still a lot of weenie's out there and I would not trust selling raw sets right now (unless to a decent dealer like MCM...it's just not worth the grief. Wait a while and they will all be back at Beanie Babies and metal soldiers. Then it will be safe to sell.....
I'm trying my best to hold as many of the ATB 5 oz as I can for the longer haul. If these didn't exist, I'd be stacking silver anyway, and these present a fairly low mintage item at the bottom of a series that has potential for growing a collector base (not to mention the prices from the APs are close to spot). If it doesn't build a collector base, then hopefully they will appreciate because of their PM content. Plus, I'm a sucker for the national parks.
I don't see how Pink Floyd's approach could be wrong.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles!
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles >>
How can you lose, paid for 4 coins with the sale of 1 Sweet Score
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles!
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles! >>
Tell him you are not comfortable with the transaction, but if he would kick in for a nice bottle of wine...
<< My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles! >>
"Tell him you are not comfortable with the transaction, but if he would kick in for a nice bottle of wine..."
Seller Exortion! Nah - I wanted to put reasonable BIN prices on mine and 2 pieces did sell very fast.
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles! >>
Tell him you are not comfortable with the transaction, but if he would kick in for a nice bottle of wine... >>
I just decided to go across the street and read their US coin forum postings on the ATB pucks to see what their recent comments were on the 70/no 70 and the PL/no PL thing as it relates to NGC folk.
Well...they haven't posted as much as a burp since Feb 19th..... so obviously no mention of the grading/designation issues on both sides. In fact most of the posts were poo-pooing the whole puck thing and looking down their noses at them.
I think I will stay over here....
Here's some reading for you from there:
"I am waiting for a couple years when I figure I can pick them up for about melt. Just my opinion. I will either get them cheap or not at all. There is no history with them, they are just bullion"
Ummm. You can pick them up for just about melt NOW. In a few years melt could be at a MUCH different price
Here's one who is in the know:
"I am very glad that I have no interest in this set whatsoever. These things and not coins, and when private minters were making stuff like this, they were mostly sold by the barkers on the “get stuck with junk at home at high prices” TV show. Now the U.S. mint is marketing this "collector trash."
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market. >>
CNT is using their regular 1-800 number and only has it open for 2 hours.
There is no way in ____ they are going to sell 3000 sets or even a few hundred sets in 2 hours on their regular phone line.
Does anyone remember what happened with MTB?
It was crazy and they didn't sell out in that one day up to 1pm-ish.
I'm skeptical of what is going on at CnTofMA.
I hope I'm wrong and they are honest ones without a clue. >>
UNLESS - (i dont thin this will be the case - but i guess it's the only way that it can work) - they JUST take down name + tel number for 3500 ppl, and then call them all back over the next couple of weeks to finish the orders - take payment info / forms etc... - Sort of like Dillon Gage - just with out the 2.5 month lag :-)
<< <i>I'm very interested in what other forum members think of the future of these pucks?
If one has some to sell, better to just unload them now prior to the numis. versions, while silver is high, etc. or to hold (for those that can afford to do so)? Will these go up in time or just keep falling? W/over 400 auctions are we nearing the bottom price wise? What do you think?
It will be interesting as well to see if ER coins/sets bring a premium once the non-ER ones start hitting the market. The NGC 69 sets are holding at around $3100, down about $800 in two or so weeks. Seems like yesterday when they were an easy $5K. >>
Seems like my predictions from earlier in the week are already unfolding - we saw a 3k grand canyon DMPL, and GC PL's are also going for a substantial premium to other PL's. and of course the regular 69's are going for 5-600 a coin vs 800 before the PL/DMPL news came out.
In regards to raw sets holding up - this is ONLY due to the new designations. As long as there is a set that can be sold for 4-5k (now its the 69 PL's, or of course the DMPL for even more...) - then there will always be people willing to pay 15-1600 for raw sets, and send them in to get graded... The prices for raw were falling (hard) when there were only ngc 69 pl as the best, and pcgs 69 - as the prices for those started coming down so did the raw sets.
The point being - as the PL's start coming down (- oh and they will - i am convinced that the ebay buyers do not know that 8/10 coins sent in to PCGS (other than GC's) are coming back as PL or DMPL...) the prices of raw will also start coming down (unless NGC counters with 70's or something new comes out that can sell for multiples of what the raw sell for).
I think the key listings to focus on are the 69PL's. in the 4-5k range then raw will stay at 1500+ - as they pull to 3000 then raw will start falling to 1200. (The only wild card in my opinion is the 69DMPL's. right now i think dealers wont gamble to hope that raw will turn into DMPL's.. but if PCGS picks up the amount of them given... then we could see 1500+ hold.
When the Numismatic Version coin is finally released, the regular Bullion non-PL / Non -DM coins will be worth probably only a small premium over spot since the Numismatic coins will have a similar frosty finish but higher quality due to the sand blasting?
The Numismatic coins will be worth a good amount but will always be valued lower then the Bullion PL & DMPL coins, because face it, we like shiny reflective things better.. And not to mention there will be 27k Numismatic coins all the same, but probably like only 10k of the Bullion coins that are PL/DM quality.
So what I would say is.. Hold onto any PL / DM coins, dump any regular bullion coins that dont qualify for prooflike or deep mirror, and wait for the numismatic Coins.
Well, look who's selling it.....gotjacollectibles (also sells under another name, but I can't remember the name)...the highest priced seller on the bay...he has 'Best Offers', but offer anything lower than 3% from his BIN, and it's automatically declined. He also uses the CU price guide for NGC coins. A real winner.
UNLESS - (i dont thin this will be the case - but i guess it's the only way that it can work) - they JUST take down name + tel number for 3500 ppl, and then call them all back over the next couple of weeks to finish the orders - take payment info / forms etc... - Sort of like Dillon Gage - just with out the 2.5 month lag :-) >>
Another method they could do if legit, though I doubt it...take names and e-mail addresses - then as A-Mark did with the post 2750 orders, send out e-mails with a link and a code to make the purchase.
<< <i>UNLESS - (i dont thin this will be the case - but i guess it's the only way that it can work) - they JUST take down name + tel number for 3500 ppl, and then call them all back over the next couple of weeks to finish the orders - take payment info / forms etc... - Sort of like Dillon Gage - just with out the 2.5 month lag :-) >>
Another method they could do if legit, though I doubt it...take names and e-mail addresses - then as A-Mark did with the post 2750 orders, send out e-mails with a link and a code to make the purchase. >>
OR - actually hire a call center for the 2 hours with hundreds of people taking orders!.... oh right, got to stop imagining aloud... :-)
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles!
I sold another NGC 69ER set today for about $3100. I can't help but to wonder whether this will again be a $5K set in a year. I''ve got to hold some more of these things.
<< <i>Jack "Do Not Call" Hunt still has the same message from Dec 29. That's so last year. >>
Everyone should call them 10 times a day asking about the coins. It wastes their time. >>
Man i sure must be getting old, instead of wasting time messing with some one else may i suggest you use your time to do more productive things. There are so many other places that are not sold out yet, sure seems SOME of the new generation wants things NOW. They talk bad about how the ap's and the way they decided doing this yet they buy from them. Remember all the bad talk about amark, oh they cherry picked them all, oh there hiding hundreds of sets. I think if you spent more time writing those places instead of trying to start a witchhunt you will find out certain things. But i guess most people just want it handed to them on a brass plate. If you send Jack hunt a note off there website they will put your name on there list. I just happened to write them a nice note asking them when they might go on sale and they replied, with we will put you on our list. Where has Patience gone? Lets go on to coins and things READ there website Due to overwhelming demand order requests will begin by PHONE ONLY. The key word here is Begin By Phone, Not all orders will be accepted by phone, there still working on getting the website up. Still say the glass is half full......................
<< <i>Jack "Do Not Call" Hunt still has the same message from Dec 29. That's so last year. >>
Everyone should call them 10 times a day asking about the coins. It wastes their time. >>
Man i sure must be getting old, instead of wasting time messing with some one else may i suggest you use your time to do more productive things. There are so many other places that are not sold out yet, sure seems SOME of the new generation wants things NOW. They talk bad about how the ap's and the way they decided doing this yet they buy from them. Remember all the bad talk about amark, oh they cherry picked them all, oh there hiding hundreds of sets. I think if you spent more time writing those places instead of trying to start a witchhunt you will find out certain things. But i guess most people just want it handed to them on a brass plate. If you send Jack hunt a note off there website they will put your name on there list. I just happened to write them a nice note asking them when they might go on sale and they replied, with we will put you on our list. Where has Patience gone? Lets go on to coins and things READ there website Due to overwhelming demand order requests will begin by PHONE ONLY. The key word here is Begin By Phone, Not all orders will be accepted by phone, there still working on getting the website up. Still say the glass is half full...................... >>
<< <i>I just opened this thread for the first time.
Can someone sum it up in a scentence or two?
>>
Here are three, take your choice depending on your viewpoint:
"U.S. Mint Continues to be Unpredictable and Incognizant of Secondary Marketmaker Concerns in Releasing 5 Ounce ATB Silver Coins in Quantities Far Below Marketplace Expectations; Then Intervenes by Placing Restrictions on Prices and Quantities Sold by it's Best Customers, the Authorized Purchasers". "Collectors, Investors, and Dealers Cry Foul, in Some Cases for Different Reasons, But Nonetheless Widely Participate in a Somewhat Regulated Version of Free Market Trading".
"5 Ounce Silver ATB's Released in Short Quantities; at Least One AP Sets Marketprice for Coins and is Bombarded With Criticism From Collectors and From Flippers Seeking Short Term Monetary Gains". "Ultimately the Marketplace Rules and Determines Coins are Worth in Excess of the Initial Offering Price by That AP".
"An Intense Numismatic Drama Consisting of Incompetance and Greed Has Unfolded Surrounding the Newly Released 5 Ounce Silver ATB's. The U.S. Mint Caught Everyone Off Guard by Producing a Mere One Third of the Expected Quantities of These Coins Which Were Already Thought by Many to be More of a "Collectible" Issue than a "Bullion" Item. After Two Months of Extreme Confusion and Disaray, Marketplace Eventually Settles Into More Stable Conditions".
Take your pick, or write your own. My point is there are many interpretations of this fiasco and no two will be EXACTLY the same.
John
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I asked a few days ago how the sellers were getting NGC POP numbers when they are not listed on the NGC site. I rec'd the answer that I could just put in the cert. # into the cert. verify page and Voila! the POP #'s would appear.
Well...I just tried it with 4 different numbers taken off graded slabs for common grade pucks and this is what I got for all of them:
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<< <i>Do you have to call Coins N things to order, or do they have a website? >>
Ankur, the're doing a phone order only on 3/8. More (though not much more) information is on their website.
<< <i>New development??? I found a sale this evening for an empty blue monster box for the pucks. The e-mail contact for inquiries is a CnT e-mail address. Interesting as this may show correct timing for them having recently moved coins to packaging materials. >>
They first sold a lone case on January 4, 2011. eBay
Edit: This is only their second case up for sale, I have had my eye on that account since the first one went up.
Lose (pronounced "looz") - "The APs will not lose money on the ATBs if the price of silver continues to rise, only potential profits"
Loose (pronounced "loos") - "I'll be looking for some loose women tonight after I sell all my ATBs"
"Loosing" is not a word, at least it's not a word in the English language. "Losing" is what you're looking for...
Cheers,
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
<< <i>I don't know why these things drive me nuts, but they do. I see it all over the web, on investing threads, blogs and on this thread in spades. It's almost as bad as misspelling "huge" as "hugh", which also drives me nuts:
Lose (pronounced "looz") - "The APs will not lose money on the ATBs if the price of silver continues to rise, only potential profits"
Loose (pronounced "loos") - "I'll be looking for some loose women tonight after I sell all my ATBs"
"Loosing" is not a word, at least it's not a word in the English language. "Losing" is what you're looking for...
Cheers, >>
LOOSER, just kidding
<< <i>Well finally broke down and sent my forms into fidelitrade leaving for calif for 2 weeks. So I figure by the time I get back they'll be on there way. If they have any left. That way I can skip the phone with coins and things. Good luck everyone...................
Are they taking new orders? I thought that they were sold out.
<< <i>I wonder what kinds of payments coins-n-thangz will take. Probably doesn't matter anyway. They'll sell out of their remaining 100 sets way before the 2 hour time frame runs out. >>
CnT is an enigma. One CnT sighting since this crazy debacle started.
When I saw the CnT website update - "Due to overwhelming demand order requests will begin by PHONE ONLY.".
Really? CnT sales are going "to begin" now?
Yep, I think 100 sets or less for sale probably. The dreck of the dreck remaining from the cherry picking process that put a boatload of coins out there to the cable TV coin sale shows.
Then again, I'm only speculating. Maybe they've got their packaging and will sell, sell, sell, once a week 'til they are sold out'.
Or maybe not. WTH. I'll call 'em. See what happens. That CnT doesn't tell you anything on that measly web page makes me suspect the worst.
I will call them and try to get through but if I don't it is no big deal. I have 3 sets already. I think I will try to sell one set off singly and see how that turns out. Nothing like taking a little profit to offset the expenses. Maybe a couple tomorrow.
<< <i>
<< <i>Well finally broke down and sent my forms into fidelitrade leaving for calif for 2 weeks. So I figure by the time I get back they'll be on there way. If they have any left. That way I can skip the phone with coins and things. Good luck everyone...................
Are they taking new orders? I thought that they were sold out. >>
As far as I can guess, FT, AM, and MTB still have sets....none show "sold out" at least on their perspective websites. Amark can't have many, though.
What are the "things" that CNT carries?
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market.
<< <i>440 auctions is the most I"ve seen.
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market. >>
Yikes, the seller philoblackhart just dumped a bunch of sets.
While 440 is a lot, many more auctions now are selling as singles, so a number that high could be potentially misleading if you're comparing it to past numbers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-5-OZ-AMERICA-BEAUTIFUL-YOSEMIT-NGC67-DPL-SOLO-/110645075744?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item19c2f5df20
We'll see when these end what the new numbers are.....
eBay Linky
<< <i>
<< <i>440 auctions is the most I"ve seen.
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market. >>
Yikes, the seller philoblackhart just dumped a bunch of sets.
While 440 is a lot, many more auctions now are selling as singles, so a number that high could be potentially misleading if you're comparing it to past numbers. >>
Is philoblackhart a dealer? Does anyone know him/her?
ANACS maintains a PO Box address in Englewood, Co.
Let's see here, how far between the two?
Go figure this one out.
If one has some to sell, better to just unload them now prior to the numis. versions, while silver is high, etc. or to hold (for those that can afford to do so)? Will these go up in time or just keep falling? W/over 400 auctions are we nearing the bottom price wise? What do you think?
It will be interesting as well to see if ER coins/sets bring a premium once the non-ER ones start hitting the market. The NGC 69 sets are holding at around $3100, down about $800 in two or so weeks. Seems like yesterday when they were an easy $5K.
There are still a lot of weenie's out there and I would not trust selling raw sets right now (unless to a decent dealer like MCM...it's just not worth the grief. Wait a while and they will all be back at Beanie Babies and metal soldiers. Then it will be safe to sell.....
I don't see how Pink Floyd's approach could be wrong.
I knew it would happen.
My eBay Auction
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles >>
How can you lose, paid for 4 coins with the sale of 1 Sweet Score
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles!
My eBay Auction >>
Seller's remorse?
<< <i>440 auctions is the most I"ve seen.
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market. >>
CNT is using their regular 1-800 number and only has it open for 2 hours.
There is no way in ____ they are going to sell 3000 sets or even a few hundred sets in 2 hours on their regular phone line.
Does anyone remember what happened with MTB?
It was crazy and they didn't sell out in that one day up to 1pm-ish.
I'm skeptical of what is going on at CnTofMA.
I hope I'm wrong and they are honest ones without a clue.
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles! >>
Tell him you are not comfortable with the transaction, but if he would kick in for a nice bottle of wine...
"Tell him you are not comfortable with the transaction, but if he would kick in for a nice bottle of wine..."
<< <i>
<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles! >>
Tell him you are not comfortable with the transaction, but if he would kick in for a nice bottle of wine... >>
<< <i>Link to "Bold Prediction"! A $10,000 coin!
eBay Linky >>
It is soooo valuable it is 25% off
Well...they haven't posted as much as a burp since Feb 19th..... so obviously no mention of the grading/designation issues on both sides. In fact most of the posts were poo-pooing the whole puck thing and looking down their noses at them.
I think I will stay over here....
Here's some reading for you from there:
"I am waiting for a couple years when I figure I can pick them up for about melt. Just my opinion. I will either get them cheap or not at all. There is no history with them, they are just bullion"
Ummm. You can pick them up for just about melt NOW. In a few years melt could be at a MUCH different price
Here's one who is in the know:
"I am very glad that I have no interest in this set whatsoever. These things and not coins, and when private minters were making stuff like this, they were mostly sold by the barkers on the “get stuck with junk at home at high prices” TV show. Now the U.S. mint is marketing this "collector trash."
..and this is a person of few words:
"My opinion.... *yawn*"
<< <i>
<< <i>440 auctions is the most I"ve seen.
Depending what CNT does, could be another 3000 sets hitting the market. >>
CNT is using their regular 1-800 number and only has it open for 2 hours.
There is no way in ____ they are going to sell 3000 sets or even a few hundred sets in 2 hours on their regular phone line.
Does anyone remember what happened with MTB?
It was crazy and they didn't sell out in that one day up to 1pm-ish.
I'm skeptical of what is going on at CnTofMA.
I hope I'm wrong and they are honest ones without a clue. >>
UNLESS - (i dont thin this will be the case - but i guess it's the only way that it can work) - they JUST take down name + tel number for 3500 ppl, and then call them all back over the next couple of weeks to finish the orders - take payment info / forms etc... - Sort of like Dillon Gage - just with out the 2.5 month lag :-)
<< <i>I'm very interested in what other forum members think of the future of these pucks?
If one has some to sell, better to just unload them now prior to the numis. versions, while silver is high, etc. or to hold (for those that can afford to do so)? Will these go up in time or just keep falling? W/over 400 auctions are we nearing the bottom price wise? What do you think?
It will be interesting as well to see if ER coins/sets bring a premium once the non-ER ones start hitting the market. The NGC 69 sets are holding at around $3100, down about $800 in two or so weeks. Seems like yesterday when they were an easy $5K. >>
Seems like my predictions from earlier in the week are already unfolding - we saw a 3k grand canyon DMPL, and GC PL's are also going for a substantial premium to other PL's. and of course the regular 69's are going for 5-600 a coin vs 800 before the PL/DMPL news came out.
In regards to raw sets holding up - this is ONLY due to the new designations.
As long as there is a set that can be sold for 4-5k (now its the 69 PL's, or of course the DMPL for even more...) - then there will always be people willing to pay 15-1600 for raw sets, and send them in to get graded...
The prices for raw were falling (hard) when there were only ngc 69 pl as the best, and pcgs 69 - as the prices for those started coming down so did the raw sets.
The point being - as the PL's start coming down (- oh and they will - i am convinced that the ebay buyers do not know that 8/10 coins sent in to PCGS (other than GC's) are coming back as PL or DMPL...) the prices of raw will also start coming down (unless NGC counters with 70's or something new comes out that can sell for multiples of what the raw sell for).
I think the key listings to focus on are the 69PL's. in the 4-5k range then raw will stay at 1500+ - as they pull to 3000 then raw will start falling to 1200.
(The only wild card in my opinion is the 69DMPL's. right now i think dealers wont gamble to hope that raw will turn into DMPL's.. but if PCGS picks up the amount of them given... then we could see 1500+ hold.
When the Numismatic Version coin is finally released, the regular Bullion non-PL / Non -DM coins will be worth probably only a small premium over spot since the Numismatic coins will have a similar frosty finish but higher quality due to the sand blasting?
The Numismatic coins will be worth a good amount but will always be valued lower then the Bullion PL & DMPL coins, because face it, we like shiny reflective things better.. And not to mention there will be 27k Numismatic coins all the same, but probably like only 10k of the Bullion coins that are PL/DM quality.
So what I would say is.. Hold onto any PL / DM coins, dump any regular bullion coins that dont qualify for prooflike or deep mirror, and wait for the numismatic Coins.
So wrap up....
Bullion PL / DM > Numismatic > Regular Bullion
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<< <i>Link to "Bold Prediction"! A $10,000 coin!
eBay Linky >>
It is soooo valuable it is 25% off
Well, look who's selling it.....gotjacollectibles (also sells under another name, but I can't remember the name)...the highest priced seller on the bay...he has 'Best Offers', but offer anything lower than 3% from his BIN, and it's automatically declined. He also uses the CU price guide for NGC coins. A real winner.
<< <i>Jack "Do Not Call" Hunt still has the same message from Dec 29. That's so last year. >>
Everyone should call them 10 times a day asking about the coins. It wastes their time.
Another method they could do if legit, though I doubt it...take names and e-mail addresses - then as A-Mark did with the post 2750 orders, send out e-mails with a link and a code to make the purchase.
<< <i>UNLESS - (i dont thin this will be the case - but i guess it's the only way that it can work) - they JUST take down name + tel number for 3500 ppl, and then call them all back over the next couple of weeks to finish the orders - take payment info / forms etc... - Sort of like Dillon Gage - just with out the 2.5 month lag :-) >>
Another method they could do if legit, though I doubt it...take names and e-mail addresses - then as A-Mark did with the post 2750 orders, send out e-mails with a link and a code to make the purchase. >>
OR - actually hire a call center for the 2 hours with hundreds of people taking orders!.... oh right, got to stop imagining aloud... :-)
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<< <i>My coins came back from PCGS today and I went ahead and listed a Yosemite MS69PL at $999 BIN. It was gone in minutes. Price too low? I saw a $1000 Best Offer for one had closed earlier but man - snapping turtles!
My eBay Auction >>
Seller's remorse? >>
I may be having a bit of that...
I sold another NGC 69ER set today for about $3100. I can't help but to wonder whether this will again be a $5K set in a year. I''ve got to hold some more of these things.
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<< <i>Jack "Do Not Call" Hunt still has the same message from Dec 29. That's so last year. >>
Everyone should call them 10 times a day asking about the coins. It wastes their time. >>
Man i sure must be getting old, instead of wasting time messing with some one else may i suggest you use your time to do more productive things. There are so many other places that are not sold out yet, sure seems SOME of the new generation wants things NOW. They talk bad about how the ap's and the way they decided doing this yet they buy from them. Remember all the bad talk about amark, oh they cherry picked them all, oh there hiding hundreds of sets. I think if you spent more time writing those places instead of trying to start a witchhunt you will find out certain things. But i guess most people just want it handed to them on a brass plate. If you send Jack hunt a note off there website they will put your name on there list. I just happened to write them a nice note asking them when they might go on sale and they replied, with we will put you on our list. Where has Patience gone? Lets go on to coins and things READ there website Due to overwhelming demand order requests will begin by PHONE ONLY. The key word here is Begin By Phone, Not all orders will be accepted by phone, there still working on getting the website up.
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
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Can someone sum it up in a scentence or two?
<< <i>I just opened this thread for the first time.
Can someone sum it up in a scentence or two?
Mint makes pucks. Flippers go wild. eom.
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<< <i>Jack "Do Not Call" Hunt still has the same message from Dec 29. That's so last year. >>
Everyone should call them 10 times a day asking about the coins. It wastes their time. >>
Man i sure must be getting old, instead of wasting time messing with some one else may i suggest you use your time to do more productive things. There are so many other places that are not sold out yet, sure seems SOME of the new generation wants things NOW. They talk bad about how the ap's and the way they decided doing this yet they buy from them. Remember all the bad talk about amark, oh they cherry picked them all, oh there hiding hundreds of sets. I think if you spent more time writing those places instead of trying to start a witchhunt you will find out certain things. But i guess most people just want it handed to them on a brass plate. If you send Jack hunt a note off there website they will put your name on there list. I just happened to write them a nice note asking them when they might go on sale and they replied, with we will put you on our list. Where has Patience gone? Lets go on to coins and things READ there website Due to overwhelming demand order requests will begin by PHONE ONLY. The key word here is Begin By Phone, Not all orders will be accepted by phone, there still working on getting the website up.
Brass plate !
Tom I think it's a silver plate !!!
<< <i>I just opened this thread for the first time.
Can someone sum it up in a scentence or two?
Here are three, take your choice depending on your viewpoint:
"U.S. Mint Continues to be Unpredictable and Incognizant of Secondary Marketmaker Concerns in Releasing 5 Ounce ATB Silver Coins in Quantities Far Below Marketplace Expectations; Then Intervenes by Placing Restrictions on Prices and Quantities Sold by it's Best Customers, the Authorized Purchasers". "Collectors, Investors, and Dealers Cry Foul, in Some Cases for Different Reasons, But Nonetheless Widely Participate in a Somewhat Regulated Version of Free Market Trading".
"5 Ounce Silver ATB's Released in Short Quantities; at Least One AP Sets Marketprice for Coins and is Bombarded With Criticism From Collectors and From Flippers Seeking Short Term Monetary Gains". "Ultimately the Marketplace Rules and Determines Coins are Worth in Excess of the Initial Offering Price by That AP".
"An Intense Numismatic Drama Consisting of Incompetance and Greed Has Unfolded Surrounding the Newly Released 5 Ounce Silver ATB's. The U.S. Mint Caught Everyone Off Guard by Producing a Mere One Third of the Expected Quantities of These Coins Which Were Already Thought by Many to be More of a "Collectible" Issue than a "Bullion" Item. After Two Months of Extreme Confusion and Disaray, Marketplace Eventually Settles Into More Stable Conditions".
Take your pick, or write your own. My point is there are many interpretations of this fiasco and no two will be EXACTLY the same.
John
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Well...I just tried it with 4 different numbers taken off graded slabs for common grade pucks and this is what I got for all of them:
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Any other suggestions??