<< <i>It appears that the USM will be filling BO of Buchanan MS Spousal Gold coins beginning on 10/23/10. Proofs may simply sellout eventually. Hopefully before next summer . >>
10/23/10 is a rolling date, it's been moving forward on the Mint's website one day at a time for nearly 3 weeks now. Check tomorrow and see if it shows 10/24. >>
I have an order in for two MS Buck's and the date is now 10/25, as it is withe the AGE Uno Ouncer.
They made a mistake on one of my returns. I wanted a refund but they are trying to send me a replacement and it says the proofs are backordered to Oct. 26. Don't know if this means anything. I may just leave the order as is to see what happens.
After two weeks of calling about 5 times I got a rep who knew what she was doing and will finally get my other 3 Buch Proofs that I sent back for replacements. Next time I will insist on talking to a supervisor.
<< <i>They made a mistake on one of my returns. I wanted a refund but they are trying to send me a replacement and it says the proofs are backordered to Oct. 26. Don't know if this means anything. I may just leave the order as is to see what happens.
After two weeks of calling about 5 times I got a rep who knew what she was doing and will finally get my other 3 Buch Proofs that I sent back for replacements. Next time I will insist on talking to a supervisor. >>
I sent back an UNC Buch for a refund, but I think they are also trying to send me a replacement because today I received a backorder email from the Mint.
I was thinking of buying a PCGS PF 70 FS for this amount. Since I am uncertain, I will get a PF 70 from what I submitted. It will take probably 30 days til I find out since I just sent them in last week for grading.
My first strikes are all indicated in GOLD print at the top of the slab NOT as an after thought and in the same color print in the middle Perhaps a slab error?
Can anyone verify the serial number 18381118 ?
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
<< <i>My first strikes are all indicated in GOLD print at the top of the slab NOT as an after thought and in the same color print in the middle Perhaps a slab error? >>
Not necessarily, I've seen others like that. Also, the cert number is valid and the coin was only issued recently. My guess is that it's genuine.
COIN INFORMATION Cert Verification #: 18381118 PCGS Coin #: 418382 Date, mintmark: 2010-W Denomination: $10 Variety: Buchanan's Liberty First Strike Country: The United States of America Grade: MS70
Thanks for checking I sent him an email and said I thought the slab looked funny and did he know when it had been graded? I will report back any info received.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS.
If the Buchanan had been released in December instead of September these numbers would have been final, now we get higher regular numbers when the mint strikes more.
PS Even with this I also would not be selling 70 FS coins for under $1100, it is insane.
I returned two Buch's back on September 21 for replacement. They said fine and would ship two new ones on 10/08. The date kept moving up as you all know. By the way I posted this a while back. Anyway I received a cancellation email last week stating my order was canceled? I was like crap are they sold out, then I read this forum and seen there were error emails going out. I said i will just wait and see what happens. Today I received an email stating I still have the order and shipment date will be 10/26. I am getting a little frustrated with this back and forth crap. I would just cancel them if I wasn't saving the $100, due to the two price increases since then.
<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000!
<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000! >>
<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000! >>
Those mintage's on the Jackson's could go up over time. Depending on how many are still in the early dated sealed postal boxes and are still FS eligible.
I got a response from the seller of the funny looking Buch. It looks like he may be legit
The coin was graded by PCGS within the month. You can verify the serial number by going to pcgs and typing it in. Please let me know if you have and further questions. Thanks, Joshua
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
Regarding these sales of Buchanan's Liberty; does the mint only report gross sales of the coins or do they net back in any returns? From what it sounds like, many have returned their coins due to quality issues.
<< <i>Regarding these sales of Buchanan's Liberty; does the mint only report gross sales of the coins or do they net back in any returns? From what it sounds like, many have returned their coins due to quality issues. >>
I think it is gross sales. In the past few years, the mintage numbers for numerous coins have been revised downward from the initial figures. For example, numbers for the uncirculated Van Buren's Liberty $10 First Spouse (which did *not* sell out early) were initially reported at 4,334 but were later revised down to 4,191.
<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000! >>
Those mintage's on the Jackson's could go up over time. Depending on how many are still in the early dated sealed postal boxes and are still FS eligible. >>
I doubt that it would change much but that brings to mind something I think PCGS should do and that is to place an absolute time limit on First Strike submissions, even in a closed box. This is so there can be some certainty on the populations at a reasonable point in time.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
So if you had to choose between the proof and the unc version of the Buchanan which would it by and why? Right now I'm leaning unc and the mintage numbers look pretty favorable, but having a hard time choosing between them. Anyone who has them in hand care to comment or show some pictures that would help me decide?
Based on Coinsponge's post (THANKS! Coinsponge) it appears almost certain that the Buch unc will end up with a higher mintage than the Van B. while the Proof is less certain at present.
I can tell you that the Proof is much better looking, but the unc is still quite nice.
<< <i>Based on Coinsponge's post (THANKS! Coinsponge) it appears almost certain that the Buch unc will end up with a higher mintage than the Van B. while the Proof is less certain at present.
I can tell you that the Proof is much better looking, but the unc is still quite nice. >>
No problem. I was assuming you were talking about the Liberty subset and if I am not mistaken I believe those numbers came from Eric. Of course the Julia Tyler is the lowest of all. I also like the proof a bit better but could see why someone would prefer the unc.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
Well that's 3 votes for the proof and 0 for the unc. So I guess that's a pretty good indicator of the overall feel in the market. I've never seen either in person. I have the Jefferson set, but honestly always thought the unc looked better there. Each design is different though and lends itself better to one or the other.
<< <i>Well that's 3 votes for the proof and 0 for the unc. So I guess that's a pretty good indicator of the overall feel in the market. I've never seen either in person. I have the Jefferson set, but honestly always thought the unc looked better there. Each design is different though and lends itself better to one or the other.
I guess the Buch in proof is the way to go.
Thanks!! >>
Yeah, at current sales rates it looks like the ms will be beat by the Van Buren in 2 weeks but the proof will take 5 weeks assuming things progress the same way but that hardly ever happens and with gold doing crazy things lately who really knows.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
Given the secondary coin market on Ebay where gold spouse coin prices range from spot upward depending on grade, etc, I can see the mint prices being a deterrent. I have seen some prices down below $800 for Buchanan's ungraded. Prices are in competition with the US Mint.
Remember the phrase " You snooze You Loose" !! Are the Buchanan PF and MS Spousal Liberty gold coins dead in the water due to a lack of interest ?? Comments...
<< <i>Remember the phrase " You snooze You Loose" !! Are the Buchanan PF and MS Spousal Liberty gold coins dead in the water due to a lack of interest ?? Comments... >>
I think a lot of the problem is uncertainty . . .
How many uncs./proofs were initially struck?
Have they struck / will they strike any additional? If so, how many?
Do the sales figures include returns?
Why the backorder message with the rolling date for the uncs. on the Mint's website?
Also, it's likely that most board members that want them have already bought them.
By the way, the Mint's price is likely to go up this week.
<< <i>By the way, the Mint's price is likely to go up this week >>
Don't count your chickens yet - POG is plummeting right now, down over $30 to $1339. Even though the average price for the week may surpass $1350, the spot price trend may overrule and the Mint price will stay put...
The average is $1366.56, but the last fix was $1339.
CNBC is citing the Chinese rate increase as the reason for the huge jump in the dollar and fall in commodity prices.
I can see industrial commodity prices falling if the Chinese constrain the economy, but I think the dollar strengthening was more due to Timmy Geithner saying they don't want to devalue the dollar for an export advantage. Funny how QE2 would devalue it anyway. But a devaluation won't lead to economic prosperity, he says. What, then, will this QE2 lead to, Timmy?
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<< <i>It appears that the USM will be filling BO of Buchanan MS Spousal Gold coins beginning on 10/23/10. Proofs may simply sellout eventually. Hopefully before next summer . >>
10/23/10 is a rolling date, it's been moving forward on the Mint's website one day at a time for nearly 3 weeks now. Check tomorrow and see if it shows 10/24. >>
I have an order in for two MS Buck's and the date is now 10/25, as it is withe the AGE Uno Ouncer.
Miles
The first was for MS and second was for PR
<< <i>Goldbully,
The first was for MS and second was for PR >>
Thanks Puritan for pointing out the error in my ways!!!!
<< <i>Sell Our Predictions of Buchanan MS & PF Gold Spousal Coins: ANY Updated Predictions? Thanks for your thoughts !! >>
continuing prediction: no sell out, no short strike
the guy selling PR70DCAM's on ebay for 1080-1100 is gonna be real sorry he didnt hold.
After two weeks of calling about 5 times I got a rep who knew what she was doing and will finally get my other 3 Buch Proofs that I sent back for replacements. Next time I will insist on talking to a supervisor.
Box of 20
<< <i>They made a mistake on one of my returns. I wanted a refund but they are trying to send me a replacement and it says the proofs are backordered to Oct. 26. Don't know if this means anything. I may just leave the order as is to see what happens.
After two weeks of calling about 5 times I got a rep who knew what she was doing and will finally get my other 3 Buch Proofs that I sent back for replacements. Next time I will insist on talking to a supervisor. >>
I sent back an UNC Buch for a refund, but I think they are also trying to send me a replacement because today I received a backorder email from the Mint.
<< <i>IMO < 7000 proofs, short struck, key to the proof liberty subset.
the guy selling PR70DCAM's on ebay for 1080-1100 is gonna be real sorry he didnt hold. >>
1080-1100 --> almost no profit after PCGS fees, shipping, ebay fees, paypal fees. ugh.
Box of 20
<< <i>Anything wrong with this FS? >>
Wow, there's nothing right about it - label, numbering , look of the coin, etc!
Can anyone verify the serial number 18381118 ?
<< <i>My first strikes are all indicated in GOLD print at the top of the slab NOT as an after thought and in the same color print in the middle
Not necessarily, I've seen others like that. Also, the cert number is valid and the coin was only issued recently. My guess is that it's genuine.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 18381118
PCGS Coin #: 418382
Date, mintmark: 2010-W
Denomination: $10
Variety: Buchanan's Liberty First Strike
Country: The United States of America
Grade: MS70
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS.
PS Even with this I also would not be selling 70 FS coins for under $1100, it is insane.
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<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000!
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
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<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000! >>
WOW!
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
<< <i>
<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000! >>
Those mintage's on the Jackson's could go up over time. Depending on how many are still in the early dated sealed postal boxes and are still FS eligible.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
5,967 Proof
3,925 Uncirculated
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
The coin was graded by PCGS within the month. You can verify the
serial number by going to pcgs and typing it in. Please let me
know if you have and further questions. Thanks, Joshua
<< <i>Regarding these sales of Buchanan's Liberty; does the mint only report gross sales of the coins or do they net back in any returns? From what it sounds like, many have returned their coins due to quality issues. >>
I think it is gross sales. In the past few years, the mintage numbers for numerous coins have been revised downward from the initial figures. For example, numbers for the uncirculated Van Buren's Liberty $10 First Spouse (which did *not* sell out early) were initially reported at 4,334 but were later revised down to 4,191.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
<< <i>Latest numbers for Buchanan's Liberty:
5,967 Proof
3,925 Uncirculated >>
What are the current lowest mintage spouse proof and uncs other than the Buchs? The Van Burens?
<< <i>
<< <i>Latest numbers for Buchanan's Liberty:
5,967 Proof
3,925 Uncirculated >>
What are the current lowest mintage spouse proof and uncs other than the Buchs? The Van Burens? >>
Van Buren would be correct. I have 4191 and 7364 proof.
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<< <i>
<< <i>According to the numbers I have so far there have been 503 Buchanan MS70 FS and 363 PR70 FS with a few more weeks of grading to add to the numbers before it dwindles.
If people are buying FS 70 labels the Buchanans are very high, the Jackson only has 104 MS70 FS and 102 PR70 FS, all PCGS. >>
Yes and a Jackson MS70 First Strike recently fetched more than $3,000! >>
Those mintage's on the Jackson's could go up over time. Depending on how many are still in the early dated sealed postal boxes and are still FS eligible. >>
I doubt that it would change much but that brings to mind something I think PCGS should do and that is to place an absolute time limit on First Strike submissions, even in a closed box. This is so there can be some certainty on the populations at a reasonable point in time.
I can tell you that the Proof is much better looking, but the unc is still quite nice.
Something still just doesn't "feel right" with this portrait and the classic one.
That said, I like the overall look of the proof over the MS, but that's just me.
<< <i>Based on Coinsponge's post (THANKS! Coinsponge) it appears almost certain that the Buch unc will end up with a higher mintage than the Van B. while the Proof is less certain at present.
I can tell you that the Proof is much better looking, but the unc is still quite nice. >>
No problem. I was assuming you were talking about the Liberty subset and if I am not mistaken I believe those numbers came from Eric. Of course the Julia Tyler is the lowest of all. I also like the proof a bit better but could see why someone would prefer the unc.
I guess the Buch in proof is the way to go.
Thanks!!
<< <i>Well that's 3 votes for the proof and 0 for the unc. So I guess that's a pretty good indicator of the overall feel in the market. I've never seen either in person. I have the Jefferson set, but honestly always thought the unc looked better there. Each design is different though and lends itself better to one or the other.
I guess the Buch in proof is the way to go.
Thanks!! >>
Yeah, at current sales rates it looks like the ms will be beat by the Van Buren in 2 weeks but the proof will take 5 weeks assuming things progress the same way but that hardly ever happens and with gold doing crazy things lately who really knows.
Box of 20
<< <i>UNC still on backorder, but looks like interest is waning.
how are you gauging that?
board posts?
<< <i>
<< <i>UNC still on backorder, but looks like interest is waning.
how are you gauging that?
board posts? >>
My guess, weekly sales figures
The Buchanan is no longer an event. All now waiting for the hockey pucks, proof ASE, and Mary Lincoln spouse. Onwards to the next potential flip.....
<< <i>Remember the phrase " You snooze You Loose" !! Are the Buchanan PF and MS Spousal Liberty gold coins dead in the water due to a lack of interest ?? Comments... >>
I think a lot of the problem is uncertainty . . .
How many uncs./proofs were initially struck?
Have they struck / will they strike any additional? If so, how many?
Do the sales figures include returns?
Why the backorder message with the rolling date for the uncs. on the Mint's website?
Also, it's likely that most board members that want them have already bought them.
By the way, the Mint's price is likely to go up this week.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
<< <i>By the way, the Mint's price is likely to go up this week >>
Don't count your chickens yet - POG is plummeting right now, down over $30 to $1339. Even though the average price for the week may surpass $1350, the spot price trend may overrule and the Mint price will stay put...
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Look at Criteria #3
The average is $1366.56, but the last fix was $1339.
CNBC is citing the Chinese rate increase as the reason for the huge jump in the dollar and fall in commodity prices.
I can see industrial commodity prices falling if the Chinese constrain the economy, but I think the dollar strengthening was more due to Timmy Geithner saying they don't want to devalue the dollar for an export advantage. Funny how QE2 would devalue it anyway. But a devaluation won't lead to economic prosperity, he says. What, then, will this QE2 lead to, Timmy?