Though I don't collect Libertads, 2002 was the first year of release of the Silver Kilo Libertad and I helped Don Bailey carry a few home from a Mexico City show (these suckers are heavy!). I discovered two varieties and purchased them intending to write an article for the USMexNA Journal documenting them. Well, for various reasons, I never got around to writing the article.
When PCGS had the quarterly special with half off oversized holders, I was prompted to get them certified and document the varieties. I have no idea whether later dates have this variety or not, but hopefully this discovery will prompt others to start looking.
I did speak with a Casa de Moneda technical manager about this difference and he told me they punched the mintmark directly into the working die and must have used two different punches. I still haven't learned if this was in error or just happenstance, but research on later dates should confirm this.
It also turns out that 2002 is a pretty tough date despite the somewhat higher mintage.
Could be that many were already melted? I think early date Kilos might be a good...........(wait for it).........investment?!
Bad pics from my cell phone, but a very scarce (maybe rare) variety of a Canadian cent. Not many gray collectors on this thread, I know, but we are here. An 1882-H triple die obverse minted by Heaton. The Heaton 1882-H cents have many interesting "anomalies", including some very scarce double die varieties. This TDO is extremely scarce and previously unknown above EF (PCGS total pop 3 in all grades, so early going). Much harder to find than any of the usually published 1859 cent varieties. Purchased at the Halifax RCNA convention. ICCS MS-64 Red. I would guess 64RB, 63RB on a bad day, at our hosts, but we will probably eventually see. Meanwhile, happy to be here.
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Here’s two from my oversize medal submission for this week.
The second one is actually an Austrian medal (1875), but commemorating Mexican Emperor Maximilian posthumously at his castle in Trieste (hence the Italian inscription). The silver version of that medal is an extreme rarity which I’ve never managed to acquire.
What do you think is going on here in the date?
I suppose it could just be a die chip but, to me, it just seems to be too geometrically shaped to be a random chip, yet at the same time seemingly to far over out of alignment to be part of an overdate digit.
I'm not really sure. I'm thinking some type of die issue.
Just got this one certified for my Spanish Colonial Type Set, AU53, to replace my XF (available on BST) better details but has some subdued luster. Darker in hand than the pics.
I bought these 3 patterns 20-some years ago, but misplaced them during a move in 2016. I finally found them and had them certified. I love that Soho design on the 184x pieces!
@pruebas said:
I bought these 3 patterns 20-some years ago, but misplaced them during a move in 2016. I finally found them and had them certified. I love that Soho design on the 184x pieces!
@pruebas said:
I bought these 3 patterns 20-some years ago, but misplaced them during a move in 2016. I finally found them and had them certified. I love that Soho design on the 184x pieces!
These are great!
I just saw one a 1829 Pi JS MS 64 BN and it is not cheap, wonder if twenty years ago, these were more accessible.
@pruebas said:
I bought these 3 patterns 20-some years ago, but misplaced them during a move in 2016. I finally found them and had them certified. I love that Soho design on the 184x pieces!
These are great!
I just saw one a 1829 Pi JS MS 64 BN and it is not cheap, wonder if twenty years ago, these were more accessible.
Thank you. Cheaper indeed. I remember paying $350 for my first 1829-PiJS P8R (now PCGS SP64) at the NYINC show in the late 1990s.
I would hope the coins above are more valuable than it, since they are much rarer and more beautiful.
@pruebas said:
I bought these 3 patterns 20-some years ago, but misplaced them during a move in 2016. I finally found them and had them certified. I love that Soho design on the 184x pieces!
Thank you. Cheaper indeed. I remember paying $350 for my first 1829-PiJS P8R (now PCGS SP64) at the NYINC show in the late 1990s.
I would hope the coins above are more valuable than it, since they are much rarer and more beautiful.
@pruebas said:
I bought these 3 patterns 20-some years ago, but misplaced them during a move in 2016. I finally found them and had them certified. I love that Soho design on the 184x pieces!
Thank you. Cheaper indeed. I remember paying $350 for my first 1829-PiJS P8R (now PCGS SP64) at the NYINC show in the late 1990s.
I would hope the coins above are more valuable than it, since they are much rarer and more beautiful.
Indeed they are.
They are asking 22.5k - 350 = Big difference
Thanks!
My guess from dealing with them a few times they would take 20k or close to that amount. Always room for negotiation with them.
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Though I don't collect Libertads, 2002 was the first year of release of the Silver Kilo Libertad and I helped Don Bailey carry a few home from a Mexico City show (these suckers are heavy!). I discovered two varieties and purchased them intending to write an article for the USMexNA Journal documenting them. Well, for various reasons, I never got around to writing the article.
When PCGS had the quarterly special with half off oversized holders, I was prompted to get them certified and document the varieties. I have no idea whether later dates have this variety or not, but hopefully this discovery will prompt others to start looking.
I did speak with a Casa de Moneda technical manager about this difference and he told me they punched the mintmark directly into the working die and must have used two different punches. I still haven't learned if this was in error or just happenstance, but research on later dates should confirm this.
It also turns out that 2002 is a pretty tough date despite the somewhat higher mintage.
Could be that many were already melted? I think early date Kilos might be a good...........(wait for it).........investment?!
2002 Silver Kilo Libertad Small Mintmark
2002 Silver Kilo Libertad Large Mintmark
Happy Thursday! I just received this MS64 1900Zs peso for the set.
Latin American Collection
Bad pics from my cell phone, but a very scarce (maybe rare) variety of a Canadian cent. Not many gray collectors on this thread, I know, but we are here. An 1882-H triple die obverse minted by Heaton. The Heaton 1882-H cents have many interesting "anomalies", including some very scarce double die varieties. This TDO is extremely scarce and previously unknown above EF (PCGS total pop 3 in all grades, so early going). Much harder to find than any of the usually published 1859 cent varieties. Purchased at the Halifax RCNA convention. ICCS MS-64 Red. I would guess 64RB, 63RB on a bad day, at our hosts, but we will probably eventually see. Meanwhile, happy to be here.
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Yes, there are always many "gray" collectors on here, but don't post much. Outstanding coin, bosox.
Another Grey Side post...
Yeah I know, it's not Thursday, but hey I'm excited I finished my Charles IIII set.
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Congratulations! Those are excellent.
Well done @JohnnyCache
Happy Thursday!
Lovely coin @Abuelo. Congrats!
Here’s two from my oversize medal submission for this week.
The second one is actually an Austrian medal (1875), but commemorating Mexican Emperor Maximilian posthumously at his castle in Trieste (hence the Italian inscription). The silver version of that medal is an extreme rarity which I’ve never managed to acquire.
I have never seen that Carranza medal @pruebas very nice.
Another Canadian that I owned years ago and actually happened to get the exact same coin back!
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Unissued Suriname 1966 silver Gulden. Quite scarce; the photo makes it look like its been out on the train tracks but beautiful in hand...
Well, just Love coins, period.
Abuelo, I believe it’s pretty scarce. Mine is only AU58, and I’ve never seen another.
I'm sure it is really rare @pruebas . Not long after Carranza was murdered.
Another coin for this Thursday.
My newest purchase, really large mintage for the type (20,000).
Beautiful 20 pesos!
Thursday greetings! Here's a new addition:
Latin American Collection
@EASilver what an amazing coin! If you ever want to sell, let me know...
Thanks, Abuelo!
Continuing my oversize medal submission results. Here's a couple Porfirio Diaz medals made by Tiffany.
Silver:
Bronze:
I'm not really sure. I'm thinking some type of die issue.
Here's a recent addition for this Thursday:
1882 Guadalajara, only 25c I have seen with adjustment marks.
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Nice one @FistFullOfDollars
I just received this little jewel today:
Have a good weekend.
I used to own that coin 7-10 yrs ago. Came from @RYK if I recall
Latin American Collection
And then I bought it from you, @Boosibri. Recently released it back into the wild (i.e., CRO). Really neat little coin! Enjoy @EASilver.
@Boosibri @mvs7 Nice provenance!
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A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
It’ll be replaced eventually (hopefully) they’re incredibly hard to find. This one is nicer than most, even with the puncture.
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
Great Date! I like it.
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Still working on my backlog of large medals....
@pruebas Max and Franz Joseph?
Yes, the two bros. It’s an Austrian medal depicting Maximilian of Mexico.
It’s usually in bronze. This is the scarcer nickel version.
This one it is on another of my posts, but posted there partially images.
Die clash Error - Word LIBERTAD (LIB) on top of cactus & Rays
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Just got this one certified for my Spanish Colonial Type Set, AU53, to replace my XF (available on BST) better details but has some subdued luster. Darker in hand than the pics.
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Dated 1620 8 Real.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
I posted this coin raw, here it is now graded:
What an amazing piece!
I bought these 3 patterns 20-some years ago, but misplaced them during a move in 2016. I finally found them and had them certified. I love that Soho design on the 184x pieces!
Amazing.
The silver one I had for a while, the bronze one is new, and scarcer. The Iturbide medals are really great to collect!
These are great!
I just saw one a 1829 Pi JS MS 64 BN and it is not cheap, wonder if twenty years ago, these were more accessible.
Thank you. Cheaper indeed. I remember paying $350 for my first 1829-PiJS P8R (now PCGS SP64) at the NYINC show in the late 1990s.
I would hope the coins above are more valuable than it, since they are much rarer and more beautiful.
Indeed they are.
They are asking 22.5k - 350 = Big difference
Thanks!
My guess from dealing with them a few times they would take 20k or close to that amount. Always room for negotiation with them.
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