@Boosibri well would you look at that! I assumed they were the same.
Did you notice the right pillar on both are a little more weakly struck? Yours has a lot less wear obviously, but I infer that the die has a weak or uneven strike. That weakness seems to show up on every version with this obverse. Those that I’ve seen so far anyway.
Here’s my example for the year. Without dot, while yours carries the Potosi dot. I wouldn’t have argued with seeing yours in a 40 holder. Nice piece!
@SimonW, yours shows (or appears to show?) a second recut 7 while mine shows a first recut 7. Die cutters seem to have trouble with that number. See appended 1770 PTS JR 05R with a first recut 7.
Also: yours looks to have two different numbers 7. The first 7 is from the 1R punch set and the second (recut) 7 is from the 1/2R punch set. Compare the shape of the bottom curl on each 7 as well as the size. Very cool coin you have there.
Here’s my example for the year. Without dot, while yours carries the Potosi dot. I wouldn’t have argued with seeing yours in a 40 holder. Nice piece!
@SimonW, yours shows (or appears to show?) a second recut 7 while mine shows a first recut 7. Die cutters seem to have trouble with that number. See appended 1770 PTS JR 05R with a first recut 7.
Also: yours looks to have two different numbers 7. The first 7 is from the 1R punch set and the second (recut) 7 is from the 1/2R punch set. Compare the shape of the bottom curl on each 7 as well as the size. Very cool coin you have there.
Cool, thanks! Yes, it appears to be recut. I noticed the different sized sevens, but it didn’t dawn on me that they might be intended for different denominations. It seems like the sevens are always different. If it was me I’d use the same punch twice, but perhaps they were forced into it because of space constraints.
Here’s my 1/2R 1770, I believe it might share the same die as yours does on the pillars side, the shield side is different. There’s a “d” with a buried stop on mine, always thought that was interesting.
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Yours is a slightly different variety with the size of the assayer “R” larger on yours.
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@Boosibri well would you look at that! I assumed they were the same.
Did you notice the right pillar on both are a little more weakly struck? Yours has a lot less wear obviously, but I infer that the die has a weak or uneven strike. That weakness seems to show up on every version with this obverse. Those that I’ve seen so far anyway.
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Just got this 1770 PTS JR 1Real back from PCGS:
New variety: errant ∙ ("stop") high between R and A of VTRA; reads VTR∙A
Really nice looking coin
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That’s an oddly placed stop, almost looks like an apostrophe. Have you shown it to Yonaka? Does it match up with any known die varieties?
If I recall correctly I have two similar coins with extra stops, not recorded in any reference. Both Perú. I’ll have to snap pics.
Here’s my example for the year. Without dot, while yours carries the Potosi dot. I wouldn’t have argued with seeing yours in a 40 holder. Nice piece!
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Long ago eBay find, back when this sort of material was available on that platform. Recently crossed if from NGC to PCGS so as to burn up a voucher.
@SimonW, yours shows (or appears to show?) a second recut 7 while mine shows a first recut 7. Die cutters seem to have trouble with that number. See appended 1770 PTS JR 05R with a first recut 7.
Also: yours looks to have two different numbers 7. The first 7 is from the 1R punch set and the second (recut) 7 is from the 1/2R punch set. Compare the shape of the bottom curl on each 7 as well as the size. Very cool coin you have there.
Here's a neat little addition. See anything weird with the obverse legend?
Love how clear the underlying misspelling is.
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Cool, thanks! Yes, it appears to be recut. I noticed the different sized sevens, but it didn’t dawn on me that they might be intended for different denominations. It seems like the sevens are always different. If it was me I’d use the same punch twice, but perhaps they were forced into it because of space constraints.
Here’s my 1/2R 1770, I believe it might share the same die as yours does on the pillars side, the shield side is different. There’s a “d” with a buried stop on mine, always thought that was interesting.
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