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  • KiwiNumiKiwiNumi Posts: 128 ✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    To illustrate the different bust shapes before someone asks:

    Type A (mostly used in 1808)

    Type B (mostly used in 1808 and some in 1809)

    Type C (most common type, used in 1809 and later)

    The photos for the Type A and Type C aren't showing up in your post.

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KiwiNumi said:

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    To illustrate the different bust shapes before someone asks:

    Type A (mostly used in 1808)

    Type B (mostly used in 1808 and some in 1809)

    Type C (most common type, used in 1809 and later)

    The photos for the Type A and Type C aren't showing up in your post.

    Odd. Must be something with PCGS redirects.

    Try this:

    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/38665734_large.jpg

    Type B (mostly used in 1808 and some in 1809)
    https://d1htnxwo4o0jhw.cloudfront.net/pcgs/cert/43618205/large/227403794.jpg

    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/49509960_large.jpg

    Type C (most common type, used in 1809 and later)
    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/42172390_large.jpg

    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/25244368_large.jpg

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great info @pruebas !

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  • KiwiNumiKiwiNumi Posts: 128 ✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:

    @KiwiNumi said:

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    To illustrate the different bust shapes before someone asks:

    Type A (mostly used in 1808)

    Type B (mostly used in 1808 and some in 1809)

    Type C (most common type, used in 1809 and later)

    The photos for the Type A and Type C aren't showing up in your post.

    Odd. Must be something with PCGS redirects.

    Try this:

    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/38665734_large.jpg

    Type B (mostly used in 1808 and some in 1809)
    https://d1htnxwo4o0jhw.cloudfront.net/pcgs/cert/43618205/large/227403794.jpg

    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/49509960_large.jpg

    Type C (most common type, used in 1809 and later)
    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/42172390_large.jpg

    https://images.pcgs.com/coinfacts/25244368_large.jpg

    Fascinating. Thank you for the reply. I'm a YN so I'm not very knowledgeable compared to most people in this thread.

  • ClioClio Posts: 542 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Euclid said:
    A few parts to this post. First I'm excited to add this 2 reales from 1832 to my collection. Minted in Honduras this coin is much scarcer than the 1831 date. There are two obverse dies for the 1832 CAR issue, one of which is seen here:

    For fun, we can also look at the 1831 coins and see three different examples of obverse die used. One way to tell them apart is to look at where the mountain's left edge touches the legend, either touching the B (first pic), Beneath the U (second pic) or in the center of the U (third pic). You can also look at where the sun's rays touches DE AM

    Finally there is also a similar type from 1832 featuring a different legend, indicating it is provisional money instead of saying Republica Del Centro De Amer. It appears these are available dated 1832 or 1833 and again 1832 appears the scarcer date.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/honduras/honduras-provisional-2-reales-1832-t-f-xf40-ngc-/a/231724-63227.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

    That's fascinating. Funny enough I wasn't even looking at the lettering and was thinking you meant at the base of the mountain on the right side as a tell. Which exits frame right rather than down. Still a difference but certainly not as easy to identify with lol.

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  • ClioClio Posts: 542 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    I imagine that all collectors of Mexican Revolution coinage already know this, but just in case you do not.

    The Puebla "Tetela del Oro y Ocampo" 1915 2c (KM-759, GB-394) was restruck in modern times from the original dies. Note the rusty dies on the restrikes.

    When buying an example, make sure you buy an original striking. PCGS denotes this, but NGC seems not to do so. And Stacks Bowers doesn't seem to indicate this either (probably due to NGC not mentioning it on their holder).

    I have owned the dies for these for 25 years, but I did not do the restrikes. They were restruck way before then, and in large quantity. (The dies were on display at the "Viva la Revolucion" exhibit at the ANA in the early 2000s, but didn't make the book [exhibition catalog] due to screw-ups at the ANA.)

    Also note there exist several denominations of Tetela del Oro y Ocampo coinage that are struck off-metal and/or uniface. These may have been restrikes too, but needs further investigation. Do not pay a lot for these!

    that's great to know! I had one of these recently and sold it. Had to go back and review the images to see but fortunately it was just a restrike. Now I know for next time!

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  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2024 12:47PM

    @Clio said:

    Here's two I was very pleased to pick up for my collection. Unsure the direction I am going just yet but they were too nice to pass up.

    Very nice looking 2 reales!!! If I may suggest do not be tempted to go outside your area of collecting there is simply to many temptations when it comes to Latin American/Mexican coins. The series you are doing is a great looking series try to finish that off or close to it before opening another door. I was all over the place the first year of collecting but now just focus on 1 reales (early milled series) maybe one day when it becomes much slower adding new coins I will myself open a new door but till then the focus will remain 1 reales.

    Unless you have lots of funds then by all means collect another series while doing the 2 reales. Best to be a specialist than been all over the place. With the 2 reales Mexico if you add collecting varieties of the series you will be busy for a long long time and you may end up having the best known collection of that series out there or close to it in the long run.

    Remember the milled 1732's are not cheap or easy to locate (minus the 8 reales rarity wise). Once you own a milled 1732 then best to stick with that series. The milled 1732 2 reales Mexico is not an easy coin to find but one will show up over time just like one did not long ago on eBay (the link I sent you via PM but was to late it had already sold before I saw it myself).

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭




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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    Here's a neat pick-up from today's Sedwick sale. It's an 1809 Mexico 8 Reales with an unattributed TH/HJ over-assayer. This is probably the best example of this rare over-assayer I've seen with the vertical line of the J through the middle of the H, as well as the remains of the H legs on both sides of the T. The obverse shows evidence of a double-strike.



    That's a really clear over-assayer, nice pickup. There was quite a bit of flip flopping with assayers in 1809.

  • ELuisELuis Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JohnnyCache said:
    Two recent wins...

    Nice pair - Way difficult to find these Nuevo Reino - Colombia and in this condition - Very good.

    Also that 2R 1761 PCGS graded - Beautiful 2R!- I have one of the same year too, but still raw, have not got the chance to send it for grading, hope to do that anytime soon.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Picked this one up recently, it’s my second low grade Santiago 2R from the 1770’s.


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  • EddiEddi Posts: 506 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 15, 2024 7:29AM

    @SimonW said:
    Picked this one up recently, it’s my second low grade Santiago 2R from the 1770’s.


    Two early date Santiago mint 2R's - nice!

    Both of those dates, 1775 and 1779, are found with some frequency. I have seen approx. 20 examples of each over the years.
    The real tough ones are 1776, and even more so, 1777. If you come across one of those, grab it!
    2R 1773 is also relatively scarce and interesting being the 1st year of issue.

    The 1R's are also tough/rare, much more so than the 2R's. All 1770's dates, except 1778 and 1773.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eddi said:

    @SimonW said:
    Picked this one up recently, it’s my second low grade Santiago 2R from the 1770’s.

    Two early date Santiago mint 2R's - nice!

    Both of those dates, 1775 and 1779, are found with some frequency. I have seen approx. 20 examples of each over the years.
    The real tough ones are 1776, and even more so, 1777. If you come across one of those, grab it!
    2R 1773 is also relatively scarce and interesting being the 1st year of issue.

    The 1R's are also tough/rare, much more so than the 2R's. All 1770's dates, except 1778 and 1773.

    I’ve noticed that, all of your observations ring true from my experience.

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    Silver presentation example of a small scarce Hacienda token (Hacienda de Sierra Hermosa, Zacatecas), normally struck in brass.

    The denomination seems to be 1 Trasquila (sheep shearing). Not sure if the token was good for one sheep shearing or in payment of one sheep shearing, or perhaps either.

    That's an interesting token, I really like the toning, but I especially love the dappled effect depicting the ram/sheep's wool.
     

    Here is some info gleaned from Krause-Rulua's Latin American Tokens Guide
     

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JohnnyCache said:

    @pruebas said:
    Silver presentation example of a small scarce Hacienda token (Hacienda de Sierra Hermosa, Zacatecas), normally struck in brass.

    The denomination seems to be 1 Trasquila (sheep shearing). Not sure if the token was good for one sheep shearing or in payment of one sheep shearing, or perhaps either.

    That's an interesting token, I really like the toning, but I especially love the dappled effect depicting the ram/sheep's wool.
     

    Here is some info gleaned from Krause-Rulua's Latin American Tokens Guide
     

    Thanks @JohnnyCache
    It’s also listed in Grove’s blue token book, which I can’t find right now. Grove-1611.

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