@Abuelo said:
Another complete set. Lily the last Mexican coins using the Balanza motif made of silver.
Nice set!
Guess that you might also have the 50 centavos Cuauhtemoc 1950 & 1951 - And maybe also the 1950 Peso Morelos - These with the .300 silver.
I have the Peso and the 1951 50 Centavos - Gem - Not graded - The Peso has fingerprints, not bad but are there.
I do not own the 25 Centavos Balanza. On one of the shows I went to, there was a guy from Mexico City, with these maybe in BU or better - Did not buy any.
I bought this for a client, so it's not mine. And some might not consider it a crown, but I don't care. (; >)
I like it ….very low mintage I suspect
There is no mintage. Clandestine striking purportedly in the 1960s.
I still like them though!
Interesting. I did not know that! Were the business strikes also struck in the 60's, or just the proofs?
Both.
Actually, I rechecked and it was late 1970s, not 1960s. And there is supposedly a research article about this topic. I do not have it but am searching for it. I will add info as I find it.
There has been a persistent rumor that the Bank of Mexico still has a "bag" of these 1949 Pesos (proof or circulation strike unknown) that they are slowly releasing. But this doesn't make any sense on its face nor jibe with the market evidence. But that rumor has always made me leery of buying these.
In fact, when I purchased my proof example in the late 90s, I thought more would come out, but that hasn't happened.
Some of the coins that are waiting to be sent for grading, maybe all or just some, will see...many are from Latin America.
You can right-click to open the image in another tab for zoom in.
@ELuis, that is quite a nice bunch you got there!
I see a small Condor in there? In Chile they call these "Condor Despedazando Cadenas", alternatively "Rompiendo Cadenas". They are lovely coins, some of then tough as nails.....
Here is a new addition to my Santiago colonial set: 2 Reales 1773. A fairly scarce coin (not rare), but very difficult to find in decent condition. Also, a 1 real 1773 from Santiago in average condition for the type.
@Eddi said: @ELuis, that is quite a nice bunch you got there!
I see a small Condor in there? In Chile they call these "Condor Despedazando Cadenas", alternatively "Rompiendo Cadenas". They are lovely coins, some of then tough as nails.....
Thanks!
I found a Mo 1R that I wanted to buy on a site in Spain and found out that they do not ship outside of Spain, the second time it happened on another occasion too that was for a 2R, both coins BU or better. On the last one they had two 1788 2R Santiago both in F condition.
@ELuis said:
Some of the coins that are waiting to be sent for grading, maybe all or just some, will see...many are from Latin America.
You can right-click to open the image in another tab for zoom in.
@Clio said:
That 1761 two reales is outstanding. I love it!
Thank you, was a great find, I was looking for one for quite a while, but wanted it at least like this one on that condition, not easy to find them raw for sure.
I went this past weekend to a show across the border and a guy had seven 2R from Mexico, but all did not look good for me, he was asking $250 and more for each coin, if I recall he had 1736, 1742, 1747 and other years.
Almost a year ago, I posted a comment to this thread saying that I don't collect Libertads. Well, I already had two varieties of the first silver Kilo Libertad, and the opportunity came up to buy a nice example of the first silver Kilo Calendario Azteca (2007) and help the Mexican Numismatic Society raise money by doing so (charity auction).
So I bid on it and bought it. Here it is. What a lovely hunk of plata!
Very low mintage and only example in the PCGS pops at this time (and there looks to be 3 at NGC).
@pruebas said:
So I bid on it and bought it. Here it is. What a lovely hunk of plata!
Very low mintage and only example in the PCGS pops at this time (and there looks to be 3 at NGC).
Saw two this past weekend on the show I went to, but were not Proof nor graded of different year.
@pruebas said:
So I bid on it and bought it. Here it is. What a lovely hunk of plata!
Very low mintage and only example in the PCGS pops at this time (and there looks to be 3 at NGC).
Saw two this past weekend on the show I went to, but were not Proof nor graded.
Tijuana?
Mine wasn't graded when I bought it either. It came from a former Banco de Mexico exec who bought it as an insider (hence, a low serial number cert). But I'm crazy and it's easier for me to have my coins encapsulated. I did save the original packaging though.
The Bank of Mexico has turned the ground floor of their beautiful Art Deco headquarters into a fabulous new museum showcasing money in Mexico.
To commemorate the opening, they have commissioned 1oz and 5oz medals from the Casa de Moneda de Mexico, which are for sale in the bodega.
Here is the 5oz medal. The smaller having been sold out when I was there.
From the dustbin of history. Here's something for @1984worldcoins.
In the 1980s, Mexico starting having serious inflation/devaluation problems. It's beyond the numismatic scope of this post to get into them, but the list below shows the MXP-USD exchange rates to give you an idea of the problem. (Data courtesy of S. Sánchez M.)
Aug 1982: 70 (MXP per USD)
Dec 1983: 161
Dec 1984: 209
Dec 1985: 450
Dec 1986: 913
Dec 1987: 2250
Dec 1988: 2298
Dec 1989: 2685
19 Dec 1994: 3400
27 Dec 1994: 5700
Mexico introduced the 50 Pesos circulating coin in 1982, the 100 Pesos in 1984, the 500 Pesos in 1986, and the 1000 Pesos in 1988 (excluding bullion and commemoratives). Then on 1/1/1993, they dropped three zeros from the denomination and renamed it New Pesos (until 1996, when they renamed it back to Pesos).
For Telmex, the nation's pay telephone operator, they needed a way to inexpensively keep up with inflation rather than change all the physical pay phones across the country every year to accept new coins. The initial thought was telephone tokens. They could be sold at increasing prices as inflation advanced while maintaining the same token.
Below are the three pattern telephone tokens that were minted by the Mexican Mint for Telmex in 1991. Note that Mexico started using pre-Columbian themes in around 1980 and stopped around 1984/5, so perhaps these were designed much earlier than 1991. Values are "A", "B", and "C" as noted on the obverse legends.
Not visible on the TrueViews is each token is a different size.
Ultimately, telephone card technology advanced enough that Telmex decided to convert all their pay phones to card use, and the telephone token patterns became a numismatic dead end.
Here is a photo of a card-based Mexican public telephone.
In the 1980s, Mexico starting having serious inflation/devaluation problems. It's beyond the numismatic scope of this post to get into them, but the list below shows the MXP-USD exchange rates to give you an idea of the problem. (Data courtesy of S. Sánchez M.)
Aug 1982: 70 (MXP per USD)
Dec 1983: 161
Dec 1984: 209
Dec 1985: 450
Dec 1986: 913
Dec 1987: 2250
Dec 1988: 2298
Dec 1989: 2685
19 Dec 1994: 3400
27 Dec 1994: 5700
Well, this is very interesting and nice designs for the tokens. The first one is Coyolxauhqui (Bells on Cheeks), the Aztec Godess of the Moon, present on the 50 pesos 1982-1984. Thank you!
In the 1980s, Mexico starting having serious inflation/devaluation problems. It's beyond the numismatic scope of this post to get into them, but the list below shows the MXP-USD exchange rates to give you an idea of the problem. (Data courtesy of S. Sánchez M.)
Aug 1982: 70 (MXP per USD)
Dec 1983: 161
Dec 1984: 209
Dec 1985: 450
Dec 1986: 913
Dec 1987: 2250
Dec 1988: 2298
Dec 1989: 2685
19 Dec 1994: 3400
27 Dec 1994: 5700
Mexico introduced the 50 Pesos circulating coin in 1982, the 100 Pesos in 1984, the 500 Pesos in 1986, and the 1000 Pesos in 1988 (excluding bullion and commemoratives). Then on 1/1/1993, they dropped three zeros from the denomination and renamed it New Pesos (until 1996, when they renamed it back to Pesos).
I remember the removal of those three zeros, 1000% devaluation in one day - yikes.
@FistFullOfDollars said:
Here is a scarce 25c I ran across earlier this year, the package contained the auction card from Ponterio, sale 102, lot 1204, 7-29-1999
@pruebas said: @JohnnyCache I was approached in Sep 2021 while I was at the Clyde Hubbard auction in Mexico City by a long-time collector friend from SLP. He is a real connoisseur of coins and owns many of "the best" coins that remain in Mexico......
I can add it to the 1832 Zacatecas cuartilla I purchased out of the Morton & Eden (unnamed) sale of the Clyde Hubbard Collection:
And the 1832 Zacatecas octavo I purchased from Dave O'Harrow:
I think I have to get a Wow out first, WOW! That1832 Zacatecas cuartilla is breathtaking.
Why do I never see these coins in anything other than almost slick?
Thanks for sharing the story. It's nice to have friends in numismatics.
You have amazing coins. I think all of us would agree on that.
So when someone like yourself says that your friend has many of "The Best" that remain in Mexico, it really gets the imagination going. With a son in the coin business though, hence an interest in numismatics, those coins are likely to remain exactly where they are for at least another generation.
@JohnnyCache sorry to resurrect your 1.5 year old comment, but it had stuck in my mind and the thought resurfaced in yesterday's EMO Collection sale at Stacks.
I managed to obtain a common Zacatecas cuartilla (1825) in a very uncommon grade--NGC MS63. I also snagged the silver presentation specimen of the same date--NGC MS61. This is the now earliest-dated silver cuartilla/octavo in my collection.
The MS63 regular issue sold over $5000, so you can see the rarity/demand/"unusuality" of such a coin.
@pruebas said: @JohnnyCache sorry to resurrect your 1.5 year old comment, but it had stuck in my mind and the thought resurfaced in yesterday's EMO Collection sale at Stacks.
I managed to obtain a common Zacatecas cuartilla (1825) in a very uncommon grade--NGC MS63. I also snagged the silver presentation specimen of the same date--NGC MS61. This is the now earliest-dated silver cuartilla/octavo in my collection.
The MS63 regular issue sold over $5000, so you can see the rarity/demand/"unusuality" of such a coin.
I saw those in the Stacks auction. Though I lusted after the silver piece I knew from the onset it was just a pipe dream for me however I actually pursued the 63, though ultimately I had to bow out well shy of the final hammer.
They are stunning examples, congratulations!
I thought your comment in the other thread was interesting:
@pruebas said:
I don’t believe that piece is a Soho Mint product.
One of these days I’ll write an article refuting that erroneous conclusion in the book that claimed it is.
But I bought that lot. Ugh!
Is it your belief that it is none the less still a pattern piece albeit perhaps not a Soho Mint product or is there something else at work here?
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Another complete set. The last Mexican coins using the Balanza motif made of silver.
Nice set!
Guess that you might also have the 50 centavos Cuauhtemoc 1950 & 1951 - And maybe also the 1950 Peso Morelos - These with the .300 silver.
I have the Peso and the 1951 50 Centavos - Gem - Not graded - The Peso has fingerprints, not bad but are there.
I do not own the 25 Centavos Balanza. On one of the shows I went to, there was a guy from Mexico City, with these maybe in BU or better - Did not buy any.
@ELuis yes, but not graded yet. Except the peso, that one I do have graded.
Who has a gem 1949 Mexico crown ?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I’ve got a PCGS PR65, but it has a 7-digit cert and no TrueView, so I’ve got no photo of it handy.
Proof 65
Wowee
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
At 32mm, I don’t think it can rightly be called a “crown.”
I was originally thinking o> @pruebas said:
I was originally thinking of the 1949 onza ?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Yes, I have a NGC MS65 1949 Onza, but again, don’t have a photo.
Here is my SP66 1947 pattern Onza (with plenty of die polish and which didn’t photograph very well).
That’s a cool pattern !
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I bet he has more than a few cool patterns
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So this was what was issued in 1949
This example exhibits color that I rarely encounter which was the basis for the submission and sharing now.
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This is my coin:
In hand looks way much better.
still at NGC, I like how they send the imagery in progress, no grades yet from 7 coins submitted. HINT PCGS.
I bought this for a client, so it's not mine. And some might not consider it a crown, but I don't care. (; >)
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I like it ….very low mintage I suspect
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
There is no mintage. Clandestine striking purportedly in the 1960s.
I still like them though!
Interesting. I did not know that! Were the business strikes also struck in the 60's, or just the proofs?
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Both.
Actually, I rechecked and it was late 1970s, not 1960s. And there is supposedly a research article about this topic. I do not have it but am searching for it. I will add info as I find it.
There has been a persistent rumor that the Bank of Mexico still has a "bag" of these 1949 Pesos (proof or circulation strike unknown) that they are slowly releasing. But this doesn't make any sense on its face nor jibe with the market evidence. But that rumor has always made me leery of buying these.
In fact, when I purchased my proof example in the late 90s, I thought more would come out, but that hasn't happened.
Some of the coins that are waiting to be sent for grading, maybe all or just some, will see...many are from Latin America.
You can right-click to open the image in another tab for zoom in.
Nice @ELuis !
I assume that’s a 1778 2R from Santiago?
The 1/2R 1762 Lima is a tough little sucker! Mine is about the same grade.
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Yes, it is.
Have seen I think another one 1/2 from Lima - but it was expensive - AU or better if I recall.
I haven’t seen it
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Was not clear, sorry - It was a 1755 1/2R
Something i have got...
Peace.
@ELuis, that is quite a nice bunch you got there!
I see a small Condor in there? In Chile they call these "Condor Despedazando Cadenas", alternatively "Rompiendo Cadenas". They are lovely coins, some of then tough as nails.....
Here is a new addition to my Santiago colonial set: 2 Reales 1773. A fairly scarce coin (not rare), but very difficult to find in decent condition. Also, a 1 real 1773 from Santiago in average condition for the type.
Thanks!
I found a Mo 1R that I wanted to buy on a site in Spain and found out that they do not ship outside of Spain, the second time it happened on another occasion too that was for a 2R, both coins BU or better. On the last one they had two 1788 2R Santiago both in F condition.
A 1762 1/2R from Peru in AU+?
That would be quite a find. I would have immediately bought it, unless it was stupidly expensive.
Replied too early. 1755 is not that rare. JD more than the JM.
i have one but not AU 1762/1 and would buy it too in that better condition.
Ditto
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I’m really pleased with this one
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That 1761 two reales is outstanding. I love it!
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Thank you, was a great find, I was looking for one for quite a while, but wanted it at least like this one on that condition, not easy to find them raw for sure.
I went this past weekend to a show across the border and a guy had seven 2R from Mexico, but all did not look good for me, he was asking $250 and more for each coin, if I recall he had 1736, 1742, 1747 and other years.
Almost a year ago, I posted a comment to this thread saying that I don't collect Libertads. Well, I already had two varieties of the first silver Kilo Libertad, and the opportunity came up to buy a nice example of the first silver Kilo Calendario Azteca (2007) and help the Mexican Numismatic Society raise money by doing so (charity auction).
So I bid on it and bought it. Here it is. What a lovely hunk of plata!
Very low mintage and only example in the PCGS pops at this time (and there looks to be 3 at NGC).
Saw two this past weekend on the show I went to, but were not Proof nor graded of different year.
Tijuana?
Mine wasn't graded when I bought it either. It came from a former Banco de Mexico exec who bought it as an insider (hence, a low serial number cert). But I'm crazy and it's easier for me to have my coins encapsulated. I did save the original packaging though.
The Bank of Mexico has turned the ground floor of their beautiful Art Deco headquarters into a fabulous new museum showcasing money in Mexico.
To commemorate the opening, they have commissioned 1oz and 5oz medals from the Casa de Moneda de Mexico, which are for sale in the bodega.
Here is the 5oz medal. The smaller having been sold out when I was there.
Yes.
Have some new raw coins that I bought lately, here is this one:
From the dustbin of history. Here's something for @1984worldcoins.
In the 1980s, Mexico starting having serious inflation/devaluation problems. It's beyond the numismatic scope of this post to get into them, but the list below shows the MXP-USD exchange rates to give you an idea of the problem. (Data courtesy of S. Sánchez M.)
Aug 1982: 70 (MXP per USD)
Dec 1983: 161
Dec 1984: 209
Dec 1985: 450
Dec 1986: 913
Dec 1987: 2250
Dec 1988: 2298
Dec 1989: 2685
19 Dec 1994: 3400
27 Dec 1994: 5700
Mexico introduced the 50 Pesos circulating coin in 1982, the 100 Pesos in 1984, the 500 Pesos in 1986, and the 1000 Pesos in 1988 (excluding bullion and commemoratives). Then on 1/1/1993, they dropped three zeros from the denomination and renamed it New Pesos (until 1996, when they renamed it back to Pesos).
For Telmex, the nation's pay telephone operator, they needed a way to inexpensively keep up with inflation rather than change all the physical pay phones across the country every year to accept new coins. The initial thought was telephone tokens. They could be sold at increasing prices as inflation advanced while maintaining the same token.
Below are the three pattern telephone tokens that were minted by the Mexican Mint for Telmex in 1991. Note that Mexico started using pre-Columbian themes in around 1980 and stopped around 1984/5, so perhaps these were designed much earlier than 1991. Values are "A", "B", and "C" as noted on the obverse legends.
Not visible on the TrueViews is each token is a different size.
Ultimately, telephone card technology advanced enough that Telmex decided to convert all their pay phones to card use, and the telephone token patterns became a numismatic dead end.
Here is a photo of a card-based Mexican public telephone.
Latin American Collection
Well, this is very interesting and nice designs for the tokens. The first one is Coyolxauhqui (Bells on Cheeks), the Aztec Godess of the Moon, present on the 50 pesos 1982-1984. Thank you!
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I remember the removal of those three zeros, 1000% devaluation in one day - yikes.
Here is a scarce 25c I ran across earlier this year, the package contained the auction card from Ponterio, sale 102, lot 1204, 7-29-1999
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New coin to cross.
Well done!
@JohnnyCache sorry to resurrect your 1.5 year old comment, but it had stuck in my mind and the thought resurfaced in yesterday's EMO Collection sale at Stacks.
I managed to obtain a common Zacatecas cuartilla (1825) in a very uncommon grade--NGC MS63. I also snagged the silver presentation specimen of the same date--NGC MS61. This is the now earliest-dated silver cuartilla/octavo in my collection.
The MS63 regular issue sold over $5000, so you can see the rarity/demand/"unusuality" of such a coin.
I saw those in the Stacks auction. Though I lusted after the silver piece I knew from the onset it was just a pipe dream for me however I actually pursued the 63, though ultimately I had to bow out well shy of the final hammer.
They are stunning examples, congratulations!
I thought your comment in the other thread was interesting:
Is it your belief that it is none the less still a pattern piece albeit perhaps not a Soho Mint product or is there something else at work here?
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