@Geoff76 said:
For those with value modern orders that have been with PSA for several months, were they typically in grading for months, or another stage (eg, research and ID)? I have a 20-card value modern that’s been in research & ID for six weeks and didn’t know if that was unusual. I’ve accepted that it will probably be in grading for months.
I can help with this. Mine were in R&ID for months. And in grading for months.
I have a bunch of value modern I sent in different orders last year that can help with your timeline.
arrived 07/13/20 entered 09/09/20 in QA 1 >>>>> CHeck that, like @blurryface said might happen, this jumped to QA2 now... woohoo. Went from grading to QA2 since Friday...
arrived 8/10/20 entered 10/12/20 in grading now
arrived 10/7/20 entered 11/7/20 ** in R&D**
The other Jeff76
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
@Geoff76 said:
For those with value modern orders that have been with PSA for several months, were they typically in grading for months, or another stage (eg, research and ID)? I have a 20-card value modern that’s been in research & ID for six weeks and didn’t know if that was unusual. I’ve accepted that it will probably be in grading for months.
I can help with this. Mine were in R&ID for months. And in grading for months.
I have a bunch of value modern I sent in different orders last year that can help with your timeline.
arrived 07/13/20 entered 09/09/20 in QA 1 >>>>> CHeck that, like @blurryface said might happen, this jumped to QA2 now... woohoo. Went from grading to QA2 since Friday...
arrived 8/10/20 entered 10/12/20 in grading now
arrived 10/7/20 entered 11/7/20 ** in R&D**
The other Jeff76
some days im the pigeon, some days im the statue! 😉
For those who know me and my love of 76's this is the sub with 80+ 76's from a very high end set I bought last year, so I've really been looking forward to getting these grades back.
Jeff
That's awesome, Jeff! You'll have to bump up the thread with that purchase when you get them in.
nice to hear they have caught up on the order entry, hopefully they can get a little caught up on the grading aspect next. it is a struggle to see the light at the end of the tunnel when economy or value tiers take weeks to move a day. under that scenario the tiered approach to reintroducing anything below express probably has a very long first tier.
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
@76collector said:
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
@76collector said:
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
Quick update that mine moved to QA2 today. Went from Grading to Assembly to QA1 to QA2 in 3 days!
@76collector said:
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
Quick update that mine moved to QA2 today. Went from Grading to Assembly to QA1 to QA2 in 3 days!
Awesome. Seems like we are on the same trajectory. Hoping for grades in the next couple of days. Good luck with yours. Hope you hit some big ones.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
Damn, sorry Blurry. That is brutal and it’s concerning for anyone with cards out there right now. What is your usual gem rate on ultra modern, isn’t it in the high 40s? This is crazy.
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
Damn, sorry Blurry. That is brutal and it’s concerning for anyone with cards out there right now. What is your usual gem rate on ultra modern, isn’t it in the high 40s? This is crazy.
on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
recvd: who cares
logged: outrageous
shipped: why bother?
on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
I really think I will be able to add some insight into this conversation in regards to 70's cards. I don't have your expereince with modern, but have seen many of your subs, and trust your experience and eye for grades. I've subbed at least a thousand 76's in the last 10-15 years. My gem rate is about 10% on cards I expect to gem. Like you said, I will submit a Nolan or Rose, Eck, etc. knowing it's "only" an 8. But, my rate at landing gems has consistently been a bit over 10%. My recent 76 sub was EASILY the nicest I've ever submitted, it was the nicest set of 80 I've ever seen. It's not even a remote question in my mind. I have 82 of them, so if I don't get at least 8 gems I will not only be bummed but also very skeptical of the way things are being handled at PSA. Fingers crossed for grades soon, and hoping I don't get a smack in the face with a similar situation, where apparently my eyes have deceived me.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
recvd: who cares
logged: outrageous
shipped: why bother?
on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
I really think I will be able to add some insight into this conversation in regards to 70's cards. I don't have your expereince with modern, but have seen many of your subs, and trust your experience and eye for grades. I've subbed at least a thousand 76's in the last 10-15 years. My gem rate is about 10% on cards I expect to gem. Like you said, I will submit a Nolan or Rose, Eck, etc. knowing it's "only" an 8. But, my rate at landing gems has consistently been a bit over 10%. My recent 76 sub was EASILY the nicest I've ever submitted, it was the nicest set of 80 I've ever seen. It's not even a remote question in my mind. I have 82 of them, so if I don't get at least 8 gems I will not only be bummed but also very skeptical of the way things are being handled at PSA. Fingers crossed for grades soon, and hoping I don't get a smack in the face with a similar situation, where apparently my eyes have deceived me.
Jeff
wishing and hoping for the best. i think i am in a unique position simply because of the amount of product i ripped and subs i have in. ive had some really good ones lately. but ive noticed well more than my fair share of head scratchers in here too. my overall gem or what i feel as successful percentage rate has dropped significantly. i trust your eye too, 76. i hope and pray yours comes back correctly. i honestly wish you had about 5 or so different subs in to get an overall consensus vs a coin flip on 1.
in the grand scheme of things, this sub is nothing monumental. however, what if it was the occasional subber that put his whole tyler run in for the year, ended up being delayed for months on end and then gets hit w this? would he be back? would he ever trust psa or the process again? i tend to think there are more of these types out there than those that hang out here. think back about the guy that had the pristine topps coins. man he was pissed. righfully so. and he had been subbing for years. whats worse to think is not being able to crack cards out anymore. and even if you could, how long before you actually could. and then...how much would it cost? $30? $50? and then...how long will it take before they get back? another year? two? all this on top of already paying $20 a pop and waiting a year to get these results? the fact that these cards could be tied forever to an unfair 9 assessment is just crazy to me. heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night. so its certainly happening. of course no official announcement about that grading change either. too many things going on to think about all the different avenues that could play out, really. its abundantly clear though that the goal posts have moved.on crackouts without notice. why would harsher grading standards be any different?
Maybe PSA is now taking in to consideration the skill level of the player when grading ? (sooooo kidding)
Someone like 'Tyler Herro' should only get a very sporadic 10 due to his lack of skills and early injuries. In turn, Mike Trout should get all 10s, even if the card is warped and melted, but in this current period of inactivity, he should get 5's max.
Now is this possibly the lamest input on card grading that has ever been conceived ?
@OAKESY25 said: @blurryface
_ heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night._
curious, were those serial #'d modern cards?? any word if they have done that on regular issued stuff?
i did not inquire knowing that before mine even happened it was confirmed that there was one done on a vintage card over the $5K level. i think it's more of a value thing vs a vintage/modern thing. of course, mine was done on a $500 modern card though. so really, who knows?
pretty sure it has to be of a card that was very recently submitted either way. i think cracking out anything prior, that isnt imaged in the data base when you run the cert #, should be good. dont hold me to it.
but this all leads back to the bigger picture. if there's a new rule out there, tell us for petes sake! it's hard to play by the rules when you dont know them! otherwise it's just a game of "you lose".
i wish psa would just hurry up and buy sgc out. relieve all the stress of finding and teaching new graders to practice on my cards. 😉
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
@rexvos said:
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
An 8 should never be confused with a 6 and vice-versa. (Maybe a 6 vs an 8 OC) The standards are so wildly different that it makes no sense how that could ever even happen. By PSA's definition "an 8 is a super high end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance". I have never seen a 6 and from arms length thought, boy, that looks like a 9. How incredibly frustrating! I've had 8's and 9's bump to 10's and 9's that I thought should bump get dropped to an 8 but a 6 is a materially different card from an 8, or at least should be.
@rexvos said:
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
An 8 should never be confused with a 6 and vice-versa. (Maybe a 6 vs an 8 OC) The standards are so wildly different that it makes no sense how that could ever even happen. By PSA's definition "an 8 is a super high end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance". I have never seen a 6 and from arms length thought, boy, that looks like a 9. How incredibly frustrating! I've had 8's and 9's bump to 10's and 9's that I thought should bump get dropped to an 8 but a 6 is a materially different card from an 8, or at least should be.
I have always said. Publish graders names on every sub. Audit them for consistency. Then reassign or release those too strict or lenient. It is not that hard. Instead let’s alienate our entire customer base with our inability to be transparent about anything.
On another note, this express popped today and grades were right in line as expected. One card vintage and I guessed it was a 3 or 4, graded out at a 3.5.
Certain parts of the process have indeed sped up. It wasn't too long ago that an order would be in QA1 or QA2 for a few weeks at a time. I know this is a one card order, but there are definitely improvements in the overall process.
With recent grading results, I'm hoping my orders don't get graded for a long time. Hopefully by then, the grading standards will be recalibrated to be in line with the published standards that have been in place for decades.
I recently had a ticket stub FLY through the grading process. Maybe tickets are handled differently than cards?? Meanwhile, my order from last June still sits and sits. The quarterly sub update has been sitting on August 9th for awhile.
I just saw this...
PSA no longer requires submitters to decide whether to request “No Qualifiers”, as characteristics such as Centering, Staining, Print Defects and Focus will default to impacting the numerical grade rather than carrying a qualifier. There are exceptions and we encourage collectors to review the updated policy on the PSA Grading Standards page.
On the grading standards page this is what it says:
In addition to a numerical grade, some PSA graded cards also carry a Qualifier to identify specific characteristics of the card. Following is a description of the six PSA qualifiers, 2 of which are required, and 4 that are optional.
So MK and MC are required qualifiers whereas the others are "optional". Wasn't that kind of always the case? And why do "OC, PD, OF" show as optional on the grading standards page but the above announcement says they will default to impacting the numerical grade. I feel like if you asked for NQ then if centering was for a 6 but you're card was a 9, you'd get a 6 or 6.5 whereas if you asked for qualifiers you would get a 9(OC).
My 76 grades just popped. Sent in July of last year, received in sep. I feel like an 18 year old again, with the possible acceptance letter to my top college of choice in my hand. Nervous to open it, lol. Here goes nothing... Will post grades later.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
@76collector said:
My 76 grades just popped. Sent in July of last year, received in sep. I feel like an 18 year old again, with the possible acceptance letter to my top college of choice in my hand. Nervous to open it, lol. Here goes nothing... Will post grades later.
Next I'd like to post some pictures of what were some of the best cards in the set
My expected grade are in parenthesis.
1 1 49824824 MINT 9 1985 Fleer 335 Dale Murphy Card (10)
2 1 49824825 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 240 Nolan Ryan Card (10)
3 1 49824826 MINT 9 1981 Topps 254 Ozzie Smith Card (10)
4 1 49824827 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 479 Expos Future Stars T.Raines/R.Ramos/B.Pate Card (8)
5 1 49824828 EXCELLENT 5 1981 Topps 479 Expos Future Stars T.Raines/R.Ramos/B.Pate Card (7)
6 1 49824829 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card (10)
7 1 49824830 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card (10)
8 1 49824831 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1987 Topps 200 Pete Rose Card (10)
9 1 49824832 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1984 Donruss 61 Pete Rose Card (10)
10 1 49824833 MINT 9 1984 Donruss 68 Darryl Strawberry Card (9)
11 1 49824834 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1984 Donruss 66 Dale Murphy Card (10)
12 1 49824835 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1984 Donruss 302 Carlton Fisk Card (10)
13 1 49824836 MINT 9 1984 Donruss 355 Joe Morgan Card (10)
14 1 49824837 MINT 9 2013 Topps Chrome 78 Nolan Arenado Refractor Card (10)
15 1 49824838 MINT 9 2013 Bowman 136 Derek Jeter Gold Card (10)
16 1 49824839 EXCELLENT 5 1985 Topps 600 Pete Rose Card (10)
17 1 49824840 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1977 Topps 144 Bruce Sutter Card (8)
18 1 49824841 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1972 Topps 411 Bob Montgomery Card (8)
19 1 49824842 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Topps Traded 24T Will Clark Card (10)
20 1 49824843 MINT 9 1976 Topps 64 Jerry Koosman Card (10)
21 1 49824844 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1976 Topps 294 Ed Kirkpatrick Card (10)
22 1 49824845 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 70 Father & Son R.Smalley/R.Smalley Jr. Card (10)
23 1 49824846 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 68 Father & Son J.Coleman/J.Coleman Jr. Card (10)
24 1 49824847 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 284 Steve Ontiveros Card (10)
25 1 49824848 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 381 Denny Doyle Card (10)
26 1 49824849 MINT 9 1976 Topps 431 Dick Ruthven Card (10)
27 1 49824850 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 319 Larry Gura Card (10)
28 1 49824851 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 142 Dick Drago Card (10)
29 1 49824852 MINT 9 1976 Topps 275 Rick Manning Card (10)
30 1 49824853 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 292 Leon Roberts Card (10)
31 1 49824854 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 386 Ed Goodson Card (10)
32 1 49824855 MINT 9 1976 Topps 338 Bob Bailey Card (10)
33 1 49824856 MINT 9 1976 Topps 336 Vic Albury Card (10)
34 1 49824857 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 391 Jerry Hairston Card (10)
35 1 49824858 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 293 Bill Castro Card (10)
36 1 49824859 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 394 Fran Healy Card (10)
37 1 49824860 MINT 9 1976 Topps 25 Mike Torrez Card (10)
38 1 49824861 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 326 Dick Pole Card (10)
39 1 49824862 MINT 9 1976 Topps 412 Toby Harrah Card (10)
40 1 49824863 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 406 Ed Herrmann Card (10)
41 1 49824864 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1976 Topps 305 Andy Messersmith Card (10)
42 1 49824865 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 329 Joe Ferguson Card (10)
43 1 49824866 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 401 Ken Brett Card (10)
44 1 49824867 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 398 Dave Tomlin Card (10)
45 1 49824868 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 369 Frank White Card (10)
46 1 49824869 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 370 Ron Cey Card (10)
47 1 49824870 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 599 Rookie Pitchers Card (10)
48 1 49824871 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 380 Bobby Bonds Card (10)
49 1 49824872 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 300 Johnny Bench Card (9)
50 1 49824873 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 343 Pie Traynor All Time All-Star Card (10)
51 1 49824874 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 250 Fergie Jenkins Card (10)
52 1 49824875 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 441 Gary Carter All-Star Rookie Card (8)
53 1 49824876 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 400 Rod Carew Card (8)
54 1 49824877 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 100 Jim Hunter Card (10)
55 1 49824878 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 316 Robin Yount Card (9)
56 1 49824879 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1976 Topps 240 Pete Rose Card (8)
57 1 49824880 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 270 Willie Stargell Card 9)
58 1 49824881 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 420 Joe Morgan Card (10)
59 1 49824882 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 340 Jim Rice Card (10)
60 1 49824883 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 520 Willie McCovey Card (9)
61 1 49824884 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 325 Tony Perez Card (10)
62 1 49824885 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 450 Jim Palmer Card (9)
63 1 49824886 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 10 Lou Brock Card (9)
64 1 49824887 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 405 Rollie Fingers Card (10)
65 1 49824888 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 242 Dan Meyer Card (10)
66 1 49824889 GEM MINT 10 1976 Topps 274 Tommy Harper Card (10)
67 1 49824890 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 209 Alan Ashby Card (10)
68 1 49824891 GEM MINT 10 1976 Topps 371 Ellie Hendricks Card (10)
69 1 49824892 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 424 Phil Roof Card (10)
70 1 49824893 MINT 9 1976 Topps 282 Dan Osborn Card (10)
71 1 49824894 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 273 Joe Niekro Card (9)
72 1 49824895 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 286 Jim Wohlford Card (10)
73 1 49824896 MINT 9 1976 Topps 344 Honus Wagner All Time All-Star Card (10)
74 1 49824897 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 349 Walter Johnson All Time All-Star Card (10)
75 1 49824898 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 566 Ken McMullen Card (10)
76 1 49824899 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 547 Roric Harrison Card (10)
77 1 49824900 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 568 Rob Andrews Card (10)
78 1 49824901 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 532 Milt May Card (10)
79 1 49824902 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 510 Amos Otis Card (10)
80 1 49824903 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 194 AL Home Run Leaders Jackson/Scott/Mayberry Card (10)
81 1 49824904 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 192 AL Batting Leaders R.Carew/F.Lynn/T.Munson Card (10)
82 1 49824905 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 197 NL Stolen Base Ldrs D.Lopes/J.Morgan/L.Brock Card (10)
83 1 49824906 MINT 9 1976 Topps 377 Mike Hegan Card (10)
84 1 49824907 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 311 Cookie Rojas Card (10)
85 1 49824908 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 297 Roger Metzger Card (10)
86 1 49824909 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 151 Bill Bonham Card (10)
87 1 49824910 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 567 George Stone Card (10)
88 1 49824911 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 418 Jose Morales Card (10)
89 1 49824912 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 413 Pete Varney Card (10)
90 1 49824913 MINT 9 1976 Topps 444 Gary Nolan Card (10)
91 1 49824914 MINT 9 1976 Topps 457 Ed Crosby Card (10)
92 1 49824915 MINT 9 1976 Topps 466 Bob Stinson Card (10)
93 1 49824916 MINT 9 1976 Topps 494 Craig Swan Card (10)
94 1 49824917 MINT 9 1976 Topps 516 Wayne Granger Card (10)
95 1 49824918 MINT 9 1976 Topps 492 Marty Pattin Card (10)
96 1 49824919 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 415 Vada Pinson Card (10)
97 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1976 Topps 509 Bill Hands Card (10)
98 1 49824921 MINT 9 1976 Topps 551 Jerry DaVanon Card (10)
99 1 49824922 MINT 9 1976 Topps 483 Mickey Stanley Card (10)
100 1 49824923 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 498 Glenn Borgmann Card (10)
101 1 49824924 MINT 9 1976 Topps 528 Dock Ellis Card (10)
102 1 49824925 MINT 9 1976 Topps 493 Derrel Thomas Card (10)
Looks like I too have succumbed to age, and no longer have the ability to accurately predict the grade of a card. I have went from the ability to predict a gem mint 10 70's card at about 10-15% accuracy over the last 15 years down to 1.9% accuracy now. I always mix in a dud or two, so I don't worry about that. In 25 years of collecting 70's cards I've never come across a nicer lot than what I sent in. I've built 1976 sets by combining upwards of 15 sets, opening rack packs/wax packs and cello's and this set alone was as nice or nicer than the combination of those 15 high end sets. If there were truly only 2 gem mint 10's in that lot, then it is beyond worthless for me to ever buy cards with the intent on submitting them, because I have zero idea what a gem mint 10 card is, hell I don't even know what a mint card is any more. NOT 1, NOT even 1 of the 1976 hall of fame players I sent came back a 9, when I felt the Morgan, Rice and Perez all had VERY good shots at gemming. 10 months of time having my money/cards tied up and I believe I would have to sell every single card just to recoup my thousand dollars worth of grading fees if I chose to. The good news is I'm now the owner of a $3K 1976 set with one of the top 23 ellie hendricks and tommy harper cards in the world, so I'm very proud of that (sarcasm being poured on thick)
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Wow Jeff, my condolences. What a kick in the teeth.
From the scans, I would have said the Joe Morgan and Willie McCovey cards were equal or better than the Tommy Harper. If PSA thinks this is going to go well for them in the long term, then they should start reading these threads from long time customers. Driving off well respected and knowledgable registry collectors and anyone who collects vintage will leave them to the boom and bust of shiny modern subs.
I couldn't even finish looking through the grades, as seeing those minty fresh ungraded cards and matching them with 7's and 6's was too much.
@Frozencaribou said:
Wow Jeff, my condolences. What a kick in the teeth.
From the scans, I would have said the Joe Morgan and Willie McCovey cards were equal or better than the Tommy Harper. If PSA thinks this is going to go well for them in the long term, then they should start reading these threads from long time customers. Driving off well respected and knowledgable registry collectors and anyone who collects vintage will leave them to the boom and bust of shiny modern subs.
I couldn't even finish looking through the grades, as seeing those minty fresh ungraded cards and matching them with 7's and 6's was too much.
That is what makes it so irritating to me. If I could wrap my head around what they are thinking (MAYBE GIVE US SOME GRADER NOTES) maybe I could understand. But I agree there was nothing I saw that distinguishes the Tommy Harper card from virtually any of the others. Sure when I get it in hand, maybe I can see some flaws on some of the other cards. But they have had my cards so long I really don't remember what they looked like other than the pictures, and that I was SUPER excited about the Morgan card especially. Here is another picture. The Varney and Morales are both 8's as well and show nicer than the Harper card IMO.
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Ok, my first big lot just came in an email with some up charges !!!
Here they are!! Happy to finally get them back.
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 Optic RC #158 PSA 9
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 Prizm Pink #248 PSA 8
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 Prizm RWB #248 PSA 8
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 PRIZM BASE #248 PSA 9
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 PRIZM BASE #248 PSA 10
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm base #249 PSA 10
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm SILVER #249 PSA 10
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm Cracked Pink #249 PSA 8
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm RWB #249 PSA 8
Michael Porter Jr 2018-19 Chronicles Red/149 #508 PSA 9
Michael Porter JR 2019-2020 PRIZM SILVER PSA 9
Michael Porter Jr 2018-2019 Prizm red wave RC. PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Prizm RC #280 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Prizm RC #280 PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 DONRUSS SIGNIFICANT SIGNATURES PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Select Concourse #25 RC PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Obsidian Silver #571 PSA 8
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Threads #141 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-19 NBA Hoops #268 PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 NBA Hoops High Voltage #9 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-20 Mosaic Reactive Blue Prizm #44 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Optic Rated Rookie #177 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Blue Velocity #16 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-2019 Chronicles Pink RC #71 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Hyper Pink #16 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Hyper Pink #16 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Purple #16 PSA 10
Your sub results just anger me. There is no reason for that type of return. I wish one person at PSA with the ability to effect a positive change would look at these boards and read through this thread. Just absolutely an abomination to do something like this
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Yep you got me beat by a week my logged date is 8/19 it was received 7/1
mine is an economy sub
arrived 9/2/20
logged: 10/2/20
I can help with this. Mine were in R&ID for months. And in grading for months.
I have a bunch of value modern I sent in different orders last year that can help with your timeline.
arrived 07/13/20 entered 09/09/20 in QA 1 >>>>> CHeck that, like @blurryface said might happen, this jumped to QA2 now... woohoo. Went from grading to QA2 since Friday...
arrived 8/10/20 entered 10/12/20 in grading now
arrived 10/7/20 entered 11/7/20 ** in R&D**
The other Jeff76
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Was yours the STAY GOLDEN special also?
some days im the pigeon, some days im the statue! 😉
some days im the pigeon, some days im the statue! 😉
what's it like to be the pigeon uncle Blurry
That's awesome, Jeff! You'll have to bump up the thread with that purchase when you get them in.
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Had 1 pop today. Arrived 10/05/2020, Entered 11/16/2020.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 51763796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2003 Topps Chrome 169 Terrell Suggs Card
2 1 51763797 MINT 9 2011 Topps Chrome 211 Patrick Peterson Card
3 1 51763798 MINT 9 2013 Topps Chrome 118 Travis Kelce Card
4 1 51763799 GEM MINT 10 2012 Panini Prizm 201 Kyrie Irving Card
5 1 51763800 MINT 9 2012 Panini Prizm 201 Kyrie Irving Card
6 1 51763801 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Green Background Card
7 1 51763802 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Stands in Background Card
8 1 51763803 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Stands-Refractor Card
9 1 51763804 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Stands-Refractor Card
10 1 51763805 MINT 9 2012 Panini Prizm 239 Bobby Wagner Card
10s are so freakin hard on these moderns now.
9/22 received 50 card Value in Research and ID since 12/28. 1 card has no Pop Comp, but has set comps, other 49 are good
Received: 07/28/20 Logged: 09/21/20 In Grading. Value Modern.
nice to hear they have caught up on the order entry, hopefully they can get a little caught up on the grading aspect next. it is a struggle to see the light at the end of the tunnel when economy or value tiers take weeks to move a day.
under that scenario the tiered approach to reintroducing anything below express probably has a very long first tier.
Rec'd - 3/4/21
Logged - 4/13/21
Grading - 4/13/21
Assembly and QA1- 5/24/21
Grades Popped -
Shipped -
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68 card, economy
recvd: who cares
logged: outrageous
shipped: why bother?
1 1 51818151 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
2 1 51818152 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
3 1 51818153 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
4 1 51818154 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
5 1 51818155 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
6 1 51818156 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
7 1 51818157 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
8 1 51818158 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
9 1 51818159 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
10 1 51818160 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
11 1 51818161 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
12 1 51818162 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
13 1 51818163 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
14 1 51818164 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
15 1 51818165 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
16 1 51818166 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
17 1 51818167 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
18 1 51818168 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
19 1 51818169 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
20 1 51818170 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
21 1 51818171 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
22 1 51818172 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
23 1 51818173 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
24 1 51818174 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
25 1 51818175 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
26 1 51818176 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
27 1 51818177 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
28 1 51818178 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
29 1 51818179 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
30 1 51818180 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
31 1 51818181 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
32 1 51818182 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
33 1 51818183 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
34 1 51818184 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
35 1 51818185 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
36 1 51818186 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
37 1 51818187 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
38 1 51818188 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
39 1 51818189 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
40 1 51818190 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
41 1 51818191 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
42 1 51818192 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
43 1 51818193 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
44 1 51818194 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
45 1 51818195 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
46 1 51818196 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
47 1 51818197 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
48 1 51818198 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
49 1 51818199 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
50 1 51818200 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
51 1 51818201 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
52 1 51818202 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
53 1 51818203 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
54 1 51818204 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
55 1 51818205 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
56 1 51818206 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
57 1 51818207 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
58 1 51818208 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
59 1 51818209 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
60 1 51818210 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Emergent 5 Tyler Herro Silver Prizm Card
61 1 51818211 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm Emergent 5 Tyler Herro Silver Prizm Card
62 1 51818212 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Instant Impact 1 Tyler Herro Green Prizm Card
63 1 51818213 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Luck of the Lottery 13 Tyler Herro Fast Break Card
64 1 51818214 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 280 Tyler Herro Pink Camo Card
65 1 51818215 MINT 9 2019 Panini Court Kings 98 Tyler Herro Card
66 1 51818216 MINT 9 2019 Panini Hoops 210 Tyler Herro Winter Card
67 1 51818217 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Black Jersey-Fast Break-Silver Card
68 1 51818218 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Luck of the Lottery 13 Tyler Herro Fast Break
notes: funniest thing ive seen. possibly ever. my rejection pile woulda done better 4 months back.
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
wow, that's crazy
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
51 out of 68 are 9s?
Couple 6s thrown in to keep you honest!???!
Eeeeyikes..
dont forget the 8 on line 31! 😉
OMG.... just checked a CC sub and had movement.
Logged: 11-24
Grading: 4-9
It is in QA-2 now. No clue of when since I don't check very often.
In the large dual-auto sub that Jason put together: been out of my possession over a year.
This post is updated daily on the most recent page (34) of this discussion topic.
I have a 79 card value vintage,
Rec’d 8/3, logged 9/29.
Just hit month 2 of grading.
Some great hits out there!
Quick update that mine moved to QA2 today. Went from Grading to Assembly to QA1 to QA2 in 3 days!
Awesome. Seems like we are on the same trajectory. Hoping for grades in the next couple of days. Good luck with yours. Hope you hit some big ones.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Damn, sorry Blurry. That is brutal and it’s concerning for anyone with cards out there right now. What is your usual gem rate on ultra modern, isn’t it in the high 40s? This is crazy.
I’m still here, spinning in my chair and...
😁😁😁
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on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
I really think I will be able to add some insight into this conversation in regards to 70's cards. I don't have your expereince with modern, but have seen many of your subs, and trust your experience and eye for grades. I've subbed at least a thousand 76's in the last 10-15 years. My gem rate is about 10% on cards I expect to gem. Like you said, I will submit a Nolan or Rose, Eck, etc. knowing it's "only" an 8. But, my rate at landing gems has consistently been a bit over 10%. My recent 76 sub was EASILY the nicest I've ever submitted, it was the nicest set of 80 I've ever seen. It's not even a remote question in my mind. I have 82 of them, so if I don't get at least 8 gems I will not only be bummed but also very skeptical of the way things are being handled at PSA. Fingers crossed for grades soon, and hoping I don't get a smack in the face with a similar situation, where apparently my eyes have deceived me.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
wishing and hoping for the best. i think i am in a unique position simply because of the amount of product i ripped and subs i have in. ive had some really good ones lately. but ive noticed well more than my fair share of head scratchers in here too. my overall gem or what i feel as successful percentage rate has dropped significantly. i trust your eye too, 76. i hope and pray yours comes back correctly. i honestly wish you had about 5 or so different subs in to get an overall consensus vs a coin flip on 1.
in the grand scheme of things, this sub is nothing monumental. however, what if it was the occasional subber that put his whole tyler run in for the year, ended up being delayed for months on end and then gets hit w this? would he be back? would he ever trust psa or the process again? i tend to think there are more of these types out there than those that hang out here. think back about the guy that had the pristine topps coins. man he was pissed. righfully so. and he had been subbing for years. whats worse to think is not being able to crack cards out anymore. and even if you could, how long before you actually could. and then...how much would it cost? $30? $50? and then...how long will it take before they get back? another year? two? all this on top of already paying $20 a pop and waiting a year to get these results? the fact that these cards could be tied forever to an unfair 9 assessment is just crazy to me. heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night. so its certainly happening. of course no official announcement about that grading change either. too many things going on to think about all the different avenues that could play out, really. its abundantly clear though that the goal posts have moved.on crackouts without notice. why would harsher grading standards be any different?
@blurryface
_ heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night._
curious, were those serial #'d modern cards?? any word if they have done that on regular issued stuff?
Tyler Herro ?
Maybe PSA is now taking in to consideration the skill level of the player when grading ? (sooooo kidding)
Someone like 'Tyler Herro' should only get a very sporadic 10 due to his lack of skills and early injuries. In turn, Mike Trout should get all 10s, even if the card is warped and melted, but in this current period of inactivity, he should get 5's max.
Now is this possibly the lamest input on card grading that has ever been conceived ?
i did not inquire knowing that before mine even happened it was confirmed that there was one done on a vintage card over the $5K level. i think it's more of a value thing vs a vintage/modern thing. of course, mine was done on a $500 modern card though. so really, who knows?
pretty sure it has to be of a card that was very recently submitted either way. i think cracking out anything prior, that isnt imaged in the data base when you run the cert #, should be good. dont hold me to it.
but this all leads back to the bigger picture. if there's a new rule out there, tell us for petes sake! it's hard to play by the rules when you dont know them! otherwise it's just a game of "you lose".
i wish psa would just hurry up and buy sgc out. relieve all the stress of finding and teaching new graders to practice on my cards. 😉
yeah. SGC = PSA east coast office. Put one in Southern IL. too!!
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
An 8 should never be confused with a 6 and vice-versa. (Maybe a 6 vs an 8 OC) The standards are so wildly different that it makes no sense how that could ever even happen. By PSA's definition "an 8 is a super high end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance". I have never seen a 6 and from arms length thought, boy, that looks like a 9. How incredibly frustrating! I've had 8's and 9's bump to 10's and 9's that I thought should bump get dropped to an 8 but a 6 is a materially different card from an 8, or at least should be.
I have always said. Publish graders names on every sub. Audit them for consistency. Then reassign or release those too strict or lenient. It is not that hard. Instead let’s alienate our entire customer base with our inability to be transparent about anything.
it doesnt last long. 😉
On another note, this express popped today and grades were right in line as expected. One card vintage and I guessed it was a 3 or 4, graded out at a 3.5.
Rec'd - 3/4/21
Logged - 4/13/21
Grading - 4/13/21
Assembly and QA1- 5/24/21
Grades Popped - 5/25/21
Shipped - 5/25/21
Certain parts of the process have indeed sped up. It wasn't too long ago that an order would be in QA1 or QA2 for a few weeks at a time. I know this is a one card order, but there are definitely improvements in the overall process.
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Dug up an old post of mine from 2004, about a submission from 2002. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
TOTAL ITEMS
25
DATE RECEIVED
12/10/2002
DATE SHIPPED
12/13/2002
1 1 90135557 MINT 9 1981 Topps 7 ERA Leaders R.May/D.Sutton Card
2 1 90135558 MINT 9 1981 Topps 23 Alex Trevino Card
3 1 90135559 MINT 9 1981 Topps 36 Ed Farmer Card
4 1 90135560 MINT 9 1981 Topps 47 Ken Brett Card
5 1 90135561 MINT 9 1981 Topps 51 Bill Robinson Card
6 1 90135562 MINT 9 1981 Topps 56 Buck Martinez Card
7 1 90135563 MINT 9 1981 Topps 63 Steve Renko Card
8 1 90135564 MINT 9 1981 Topps 67 Ken Kravec Card
9 1 90135565 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 69 Ed Halicki Card
10 1 90135566 MINT 9 1981 Topps 124 Jerry Garvin Card
11 1 90135567 MINT 9 1981 Topps 126 Charlie Leibrandt Card
12 1 90135568 MINT 9 1981 Topps 128 Gary Allenson Card
13 1 90135569 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 133 Jeff Cox Card
14 1 90135570 MINT 9 1981 Topps 138 Rich Dotson Card
15 1 90135571 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 199 Chuck Rainey Card
16 1 90135572 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 401 A.L. Championships Royals Sweep Yankees Card
17 1 90135573 MINT 9 1981 Topps 403 World Series Phillies Beat Royal in 6 Card
18 1 90135574 MINT 9 1981 Topps 450 Dave Kingman Card
19 1 90135575 MINT 9 1981 Topps 467 Dave Stieb Card
20 1 90135576 MINT 9 1981 Topps 535 Omar Moreno Card
21 1 90135577 MINT 9 PD 1981 Topps 545 Johnny Grubb Card
22 1 90135578 MINT 9 1981 Topps 645 Rick Reuschel Card
23 1 90135579 MINT 9 1981 Topps 655 Dan Driessen Card
24 1 90135580 MINT 9 1981 Topps 666 Tigers Team Card
25 1 90135581 MINT 9 1981 Topps 679 Dodgers Team Card
Currently collecting.....your guess is as good as mine.
With recent grading results, I'm hoping my orders don't get graded for a long time. Hopefully by then, the grading standards will be recalibrated to be in line with the published standards that have been in place for decades.
I recently had a ticket stub FLY through the grading process. Maybe tickets are handled differently than cards?? Meanwhile, my order from last June still sits and sits. The quarterly sub update has been sitting on August 9th for awhile.
I just saw this...
PSA no longer requires submitters to decide whether to request “No Qualifiers”, as characteristics such as Centering, Staining, Print Defects and Focus will default to impacting the numerical grade rather than carrying a qualifier. There are exceptions and we encourage collectors to review the updated policy on the PSA Grading Standards page.
On the grading standards page this is what it says:
In addition to a numerical grade, some PSA graded cards also carry a Qualifier to identify specific characteristics of the card. Following is a description of the six PSA qualifiers, 2 of which are required, and 4 that are optional.
So MK and MC are required qualifiers whereas the others are "optional". Wasn't that kind of always the case? And why do "OC, PD, OF" show as optional on the grading standards page but the above announcement says they will default to impacting the numerical grade. I feel like if you asked for NQ then if centering was for a 6 but you're card was a 9, you'd get a 6 or 6.5 whereas if you asked for qualifiers you would get a 9(OC).
Am I just reading this wrong?
My 76 grades just popped. Sent in July of last year, received in sep. I feel like an 18 year old again, with the possible acceptance letter to my top college of choice in my hand. Nervous to open it, lol. Here goes nothing... Will post grades later.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Good luck!
good luck Jeff!!
Want to start my post of my grades with a link to my thread opening this 1976 set that I bought last year from pwcc.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1040281/here-goes-nothin-never-seen-since-1976/p1
Next I'd like to post some pictures of what were some of the best cards in the set
My expected grade are in parenthesis.
1 1 49824824 MINT 9 1985 Fleer 335 Dale Murphy Card (10)
2 1 49824825 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 240 Nolan Ryan Card (10)
3 1 49824826 MINT 9 1981 Topps 254 Ozzie Smith Card (10)
4 1 49824827 NEAR MINT 7 1981 Topps 479 Expos Future Stars T.Raines/R.Ramos/B.Pate Card (8)
5 1 49824828 EXCELLENT 5 1981 Topps 479 Expos Future Stars T.Raines/R.Ramos/B.Pate Card (7)
6 1 49824829 NEAR MINT 7 1987 Topps 366 Mark McGwire Card (10)
7 1 49824830 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps 170 Bo Jackson Future Stars Card (10)
8 1 49824831 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1987 Topps 200 Pete Rose Card (10)
9 1 49824832 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1984 Donruss 61 Pete Rose Card (10)
10 1 49824833 MINT 9 1984 Donruss 68 Darryl Strawberry Card (9)
11 1 49824834 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1984 Donruss 66 Dale Murphy Card (10)
12 1 49824835 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1984 Donruss 302 Carlton Fisk Card (10)
13 1 49824836 MINT 9 1984 Donruss 355 Joe Morgan Card (10)
14 1 49824837 MINT 9 2013 Topps Chrome 78 Nolan Arenado Refractor Card (10)
15 1 49824838 MINT 9 2013 Bowman 136 Derek Jeter Gold Card (10)
16 1 49824839 EXCELLENT 5 1985 Topps 600 Pete Rose Card (10)
17 1 49824840 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1977 Topps 144 Bruce Sutter Card (8)
18 1 49824841 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1972 Topps 411 Bob Montgomery Card (8)
19 1 49824842 NEAR MINT 7 1986 Topps Traded 24T Will Clark Card (10)
20 1 49824843 MINT 9 1976 Topps 64 Jerry Koosman Card (10)
21 1 49824844 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1976 Topps 294 Ed Kirkpatrick Card (10)
22 1 49824845 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 70 Father & Son R.Smalley/R.Smalley Jr. Card (10)
23 1 49824846 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 68 Father & Son J.Coleman/J.Coleman Jr. Card (10)
24 1 49824847 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 284 Steve Ontiveros Card (10)
25 1 49824848 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 381 Denny Doyle Card (10)
26 1 49824849 MINT 9 1976 Topps 431 Dick Ruthven Card (10)
27 1 49824850 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 319 Larry Gura Card (10)
28 1 49824851 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 142 Dick Drago Card (10)
29 1 49824852 MINT 9 1976 Topps 275 Rick Manning Card (10)
30 1 49824853 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 292 Leon Roberts Card (10)
31 1 49824854 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 386 Ed Goodson Card (10)
32 1 49824855 MINT 9 1976 Topps 338 Bob Bailey Card (10)
33 1 49824856 MINT 9 1976 Topps 336 Vic Albury Card (10)
34 1 49824857 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 391 Jerry Hairston Card (10)
35 1 49824858 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 293 Bill Castro Card (10)
36 1 49824859 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 394 Fran Healy Card (10)
37 1 49824860 MINT 9 1976 Topps 25 Mike Torrez Card (10)
38 1 49824861 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 326 Dick Pole Card (10)
39 1 49824862 MINT 9 1976 Topps 412 Toby Harrah Card (10)
40 1 49824863 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 406 Ed Herrmann Card (10)
41 1 49824864 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1976 Topps 305 Andy Messersmith Card (10)
42 1 49824865 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 329 Joe Ferguson Card (10)
43 1 49824866 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 401 Ken Brett Card (10)
44 1 49824867 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 398 Dave Tomlin Card (10)
45 1 49824868 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 369 Frank White Card (10)
46 1 49824869 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 370 Ron Cey Card (10)
47 1 49824870 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 599 Rookie Pitchers Card (10)
48 1 49824871 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 380 Bobby Bonds Card (10)
49 1 49824872 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 300 Johnny Bench Card (9)
50 1 49824873 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 343 Pie Traynor All Time All-Star Card (10)
51 1 49824874 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 250 Fergie Jenkins Card (10)
52 1 49824875 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 441 Gary Carter All-Star Rookie Card (8)
53 1 49824876 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 400 Rod Carew Card (8)
54 1 49824877 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 100 Jim Hunter Card (10)
55 1 49824878 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 316 Robin Yount Card (9)
56 1 49824879 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1976 Topps 240 Pete Rose Card (8)
57 1 49824880 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 270 Willie Stargell Card 9)
58 1 49824881 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 420 Joe Morgan Card (10)
59 1 49824882 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 340 Jim Rice Card (10)
60 1 49824883 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 520 Willie McCovey Card (9)
61 1 49824884 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 325 Tony Perez Card (10)
62 1 49824885 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 450 Jim Palmer Card (9)
63 1 49824886 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 10 Lou Brock Card (9)
64 1 49824887 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 405 Rollie Fingers Card (10)
65 1 49824888 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 242 Dan Meyer Card (10)
66 1 49824889 GEM MINT 10 1976 Topps 274 Tommy Harper Card (10)
67 1 49824890 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 209 Alan Ashby Card (10)
68 1 49824891 GEM MINT 10 1976 Topps 371 Ellie Hendricks Card (10)
69 1 49824892 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 424 Phil Roof Card (10)
70 1 49824893 MINT 9 1976 Topps 282 Dan Osborn Card (10)
71 1 49824894 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 273 Joe Niekro Card (9)
72 1 49824895 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 286 Jim Wohlford Card (10)
73 1 49824896 MINT 9 1976 Topps 344 Honus Wagner All Time All-Star Card (10)
74 1 49824897 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 349 Walter Johnson All Time All-Star Card (10)
75 1 49824898 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 566 Ken McMullen Card (10)
76 1 49824899 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 547 Roric Harrison Card (10)
77 1 49824900 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 568 Rob Andrews Card (10)
78 1 49824901 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 532 Milt May Card (10)
79 1 49824902 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 510 Amos Otis Card (10)
80 1 49824903 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 194 AL Home Run Leaders Jackson/Scott/Mayberry Card (10)
81 1 49824904 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 192 AL Batting Leaders R.Carew/F.Lynn/T.Munson Card (10)
82 1 49824905 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 197 NL Stolen Base Ldrs D.Lopes/J.Morgan/L.Brock Card (10)
83 1 49824906 MINT 9 1976 Topps 377 Mike Hegan Card (10)
84 1 49824907 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 311 Cookie Rojas Card (10)
85 1 49824908 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 297 Roger Metzger Card (10)
86 1 49824909 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 151 Bill Bonham Card (10)
87 1 49824910 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 567 George Stone Card (10)
88 1 49824911 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 418 Jose Morales Card (10)
89 1 49824912 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 413 Pete Varney Card (10)
90 1 49824913 MINT 9 1976 Topps 444 Gary Nolan Card (10)
91 1 49824914 MINT 9 1976 Topps 457 Ed Crosby Card (10)
92 1 49824915 MINT 9 1976 Topps 466 Bob Stinson Card (10)
93 1 49824916 MINT 9 1976 Topps 494 Craig Swan Card (10)
94 1 49824917 MINT 9 1976 Topps 516 Wayne Granger Card (10)
95 1 49824918 MINT 9 1976 Topps 492 Marty Pattin Card (10)
96 1 49824919 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 415 Vada Pinson Card (10)
97 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1976 Topps 509 Bill Hands Card (10)
98 1 49824921 MINT 9 1976 Topps 551 Jerry DaVanon Card (10)
99 1 49824922 MINT 9 1976 Topps 483 Mickey Stanley Card (10)
100 1 49824923 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 498 Glenn Borgmann Card (10)
101 1 49824924 MINT 9 1976 Topps 528 Dock Ellis Card (10)
102 1 49824925 MINT 9 1976 Topps 493 Derrel Thomas Card (10)
Looks like I too have succumbed to age, and no longer have the ability to accurately predict the grade of a card. I have went from the ability to predict a gem mint 10 70's card at about 10-15% accuracy over the last 15 years down to 1.9% accuracy now. I always mix in a dud or two, so I don't worry about that. In 25 years of collecting 70's cards I've never come across a nicer lot than what I sent in. I've built 1976 sets by combining upwards of 15 sets, opening rack packs/wax packs and cello's and this set alone was as nice or nicer than the combination of those 15 high end sets. If there were truly only 2 gem mint 10's in that lot, then it is beyond worthless for me to ever buy cards with the intent on submitting them, because I have zero idea what a gem mint 10 card is, hell I don't even know what a mint card is any more. NOT 1, NOT even 1 of the 1976 hall of fame players I sent came back a 9, when I felt the Morgan, Rice and Perez all had VERY good shots at gemming. 10 months of time having my money/cards tied up and I believe I would have to sell every single card just to recoup my thousand dollars worth of grading fees if I chose to. The good news is I'm now the owner of a $3K 1976 set with one of the top 23 ellie hendricks and tommy harper cards in the world, so I'm very proud of that (sarcasm being poured on thick)
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
dayum. i know the feeling and there are no words. so i wont even try...
Wow Jeff, my condolences. What a kick in the teeth.
From the scans, I would have said the Joe Morgan and Willie McCovey cards were equal or better than the Tommy Harper. If PSA thinks this is going to go well for them in the long term, then they should start reading these threads from long time customers. Driving off well respected and knowledgable registry collectors and anyone who collects vintage will leave them to the boom and bust of shiny modern subs.
I couldn't even finish looking through the grades, as seeing those minty fresh ungraded cards and matching them with 7's and 6's was too much.
oh man, that is rough, sorry
That is what makes it so irritating to me. If I could wrap my head around what they are thinking (MAYBE GIVE US SOME GRADER NOTES) maybe I could understand. But I agree there was nothing I saw that distinguishes the Tommy Harper card from virtually any of the others. Sure when I get it in hand, maybe I can see some flaws on some of the other cards. But they have had my cards so long I really don't remember what they looked like other than the pictures, and that I was SUPER excited about the Morgan card especially. Here is another picture. The Varney and Morales are both 8's as well and show nicer than the Harper card IMO.
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Ok, my first big lot just came in an email with some up charges !!!
Here they are!! Happy to finally get them back.
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 Optic RC #158 PSA 9
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 Prizm Pink #248 PSA 8
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 Prizm RWB #248 PSA 8
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 PRIZM BASE #248 PSA 9
Zion Williamson 2019-2020 PRIZM BASE #248 PSA 10
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm base #249 PSA 10
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm SILVER #249 PSA 10
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm Cracked Pink #249 PSA 8
Ja Morant 2019-2020 Prizm RWB #249 PSA 8
Michael Porter Jr 2018-19 Chronicles Red/149 #508 PSA 9
Michael Porter JR 2019-2020 PRIZM SILVER PSA 9
Michael Porter Jr 2018-2019 Prizm red wave RC. PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Prizm RC #280 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Prizm RC #280 PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 DONRUSS SIGNIFICANT SIGNATURES PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Select Concourse #25 RC PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Obsidian Silver #571 PSA 8
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Threads #141 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-19 NBA Hoops #268 PSA 9
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 NBA Hoops High Voltage #9 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-20 Mosaic Reactive Blue Prizm #44 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-19 Optic Rated Rookie #177 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Blue Velocity #16 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2018-2019 Chronicles Pink RC #71 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Hyper Pink #16 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Hyper Pink #16 PSA 10
Luka Doncic 2019-2020 Optic Purple #16 PSA 10
2019-2020 Tyler Herro Prizm Silver #259 RC PSA 9
Jayson Tatum 2018-2019 Ruby Red Wave Prizm #118 PSA 9
Jayson Taytum 2018-2019 Pink Cracked Prizm #118 PSA 9
I am extremely pleased with the 10's , being these are my first ones to get from them!!!!
Jeff,
Your sub results just anger me. There is no reason for that type of return. I wish one person at PSA with the ability to effect a positive change would look at these boards and read through this thread. Just absolutely an abomination to do something like this