@envoy982 said:
So this one hasn't even actually been submitted before? That just makes this far more interesting! There are so many ways this could go sideways. There are some great things that come out of this but so many unintended consequences as well.
i can't say for certain. but my initial instinct based off what i usually do crack and resub is a no. i'm gonna have to go thru tons of subs and 1000s of lines of cards.
but here's another head scratcher...even if it 10d before, that doesn't make it a $1000 card, i wouldn't think. so! did they just log the serial number (or mistranscribed more like it) or do they actually have a scan of the card. and its obvious they have one or the other than WHY ARE THEY ASKING ME FOR THE PREVIOUS CERT? 😉
Here's a suggestion that helped me comb through thousands of line items in multiple subs to locate cards for tax cost basis confirmation. I export my submission results into Excel and paste them one after the other. When I have them all exported to a single Excel file, I use the 'find' feature to search for the card of interest. You can also use the filter feature to select from a list in year/card number order which is sometimes the easiest way to find items that don't have a unique enough search name (e.g., for cards like Bob Johnson).
blurryface, In the end, I am not sure why you made the comment you did. I explained how PSA could have already been performing checks against previously graded cards with a minimal increase in effort which was in my original post - "I have been wondering for years why PSA didn't have an internal database of grades for numbered cards that they could check.". I was not commenting on how they found your particular card as the timing would indicate the introduction of the genamint (or similar) technology.
i had a more detailed answer here. it got erased by the glitch this board suffers from.
long story short, there's nothing minimal about entering in a bazillion different serial numbered cards. they just got a barcode system. your theory is sound and is easy on paper. implementation however is not so minimal.
That said, I do appreciate you posting your experiences with PSA especially regarding this new policy on re-subs. It will be interesting to see if PSA returns the card with the same grade or not. Either way, I think this change in direction by PSA will impact folks that planned to crack and re-sub once PSA is accepting submissions again.
@fergie23 said:
blurryface, In the end, I am not sure why you made the comment you did. I explained how PSA could have already been performing checks against previously graded cards with a minimal increase in effort which was in my original post - "I have been wondering for years why PSA didn't have an internal database of grades for numbered cards that they could check.". I was not commenting on how they found your particular card as the timing would indicate the introduction of the genamint (or similar) technology.
Robb
there's been a talk of possibly 13 million cards sitting there at psa. how many of those do you think have serial numbers? let's just go w half. that's 6.5 million cards. w the announcement of genamint, thats pretty much concrete evidence that there was zero software in place to i.d., log and track every serial numbered card. therefore that suggests that each one would have to be manually inputted in the "serial number tracking database" when they are already constipated on cards as it is. do you realize what it would cost to do such a thing on 6.5 million cards with 100k more coming in each and every day? again, your theory is sound and i fully agree it makes sense from an outside perspective. applying "minimal effort" to the actual implementation of such a theory is flawed, imo.
@fergie23 said:
blurryface, In the end, I am not sure why you made the comment you did. I explained how PSA could have already been performing checks against previously graded cards with a minimal increase in effort which was in my original post - "I have been wondering for years why PSA didn't have an internal database of grades for numbered cards that they could check.". I was not commenting on how they found your particular card as the timing would indicate the introduction of the genamint (or similar) technology.
Robb
there's been a talk of possibly 13 million cards sitting there at psa. how many of those do you think have serial numbers? let's just go w half. that's 6.5 million cards. w the announcement of genamint, thats pretty much concrete evidence that there was zero software in place to i.d., log and track every serial numbered card. therefore that suggests that each one would have to be manually inputted in the "serial number tracking database" when they are already constipated on cards as it is. do you realize what it would cost to do such a thing on 6.5 million cards with 100k more coming in each and every day? again, your theory is sound and i fully agree it makes sense from an outside perspective. applying "minimal effort" to the actual implementation of such a theory is flawed, imo.
SecureScan has been in place for almost two years. It originally applies to the highest service levels but more and more cards started to get it. I’m not sure if they’re at 100% yet but the “Image by PSACard” that @blurryface referred to earlier has been applied to a lot of cards over that span.
However, like everything else it is operating on a lag right now. As a result, the scans show up long after the grades come in.
That said, if this is new information for anyone, you can start to go back and check old express (and higher) submissions and see if your own scans are complete and uploaded.
So the database was being constructed even before they had software with which to sift through it.
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@fergie23 said:
blurryface, In the end, I am not sure why you made the comment you did. I explained how PSA could have already been performing checks against previously graded cards with a minimal increase in effort which was in my original post - "I have been wondering for years why PSA didn't have an internal database of grades for numbered cards that they could check.". I was not commenting on how they found your particular card as the timing would indicate the introduction of the genamint (or similar) technology.
Robb
there's been a talk of possibly 13 million cards sitting there at psa. how many of those do you think have serial numbers? let's just go w half. that's 6.5 million cards. w the announcement of genamint, thats pretty much concrete evidence that there was zero software in place to i.d., log and track every serial numbered card. therefore that suggests that each one would have to be manually inputted in the "serial number tracking database" when they are already constipated on cards as it is. do you realize what it would cost to do such a thing on 6.5 million cards with 100k more coming in each and every day? again, your theory is sound and i fully agree it makes sense from an outside perspective. applying "minimal effort" to the actual implementation of such a theory is flawed, imo.
SecureScan has been in place for almost two years. It originally applies to the highest service levels but more and more cards started to get it. I’m not sure if they’re at 100% yet but the “Image by PSACard” that @blurryface referred to earlier has been applied to a lot of cards over that span.
However, like everything else it is operating on a lag right now. As a result, the scans show up long after the grades come in.
That said, if this is new information for anyone, you can start to go back and check old express (and higher) submissions and see if your own scans are complete and uploaded.
So the database was being constructed even before they had software with which to sift through it.
this actually drives home my point. even now and w/ some sort of technology, it's so far backed up, it's insane. and what do you think the ratio of serial numbered cards that qualify for securescan vs that dont? 1:1000? 1:10,000? and if it's backed up, as is on a 1:1 ratio, then how backed up would it be if they were doing them all? as you stated, the system and the intentions have been in place for years. the implementation though...😉
the popular phrase of "easier said than done" comes to mind.
@fergie23 said:
blurryface, we will agree to disagree.
That said, I do appreciate you posting your experiences with PSA especially regarding this new policy on re-subs. It will be interesting to see if PSA returns the card with the same grade or not. Either way, I think this change in direction by PSA will impact folks that planned to crack and re-sub once PSA is accepting submissions again.
Robb
and that's ok! it's a discussion board. if we all agreed it'd be boring. plus, just because we (or anyone here) don't happen to agree on 1 topic doesn't mean i don't respect your opinion. first and foremost, we are all here because of a common camaraderie and to learn, help and protect one another.
btw: and im sorry, i think i might have left this detailed info out before. the two instances i've heard of this happening, both cards were returned in the same grade. i will definitely post the grade and (just thought about this)...if they apply the same cert number too. oh. and the new sub that this card is in is still only in the "grading" phase, could still be a few months before it pops (again).
@fergie23 said:
blurryface, In the end, I am not sure why you made the comment you did. I explained how PSA could have already been performing checks against previously graded cards with a minimal increase in effort which was in my original post - "I have been wondering for years why PSA didn't have an internal database of grades for numbered cards that they could check.". I was not commenting on how they found your particular card as the timing would indicate the introduction of the genamint (or similar) technology.
Robb
there's been a talk of possibly 13 million cards sitting there at psa. how many of those do you think have serial numbers? let's just go w half. that's 6.5 million cards. w the announcement of genamint, thats pretty much concrete evidence that there was zero software in place to i.d., log and track every serial numbered card. therefore that suggests that each one would have to be manually inputted in the "serial number tracking database" when they are already constipated on cards as it is. do you realize what it would cost to do such a thing on 6.5 million cards with 100k more coming in each and every day? again, your theory is sound and i fully agree it makes sense from an outside perspective. applying "minimal effort" to the actual implementation of such a theory is flawed, imo.
SecureScan has been in place for almost two years. It originally applies to the highest service levels but more and more cards started to get it. I’m not sure if they’re at 100% yet but the “Image by PSACard” that @blurryface referred to earlier has been applied to a lot of cards over that span.
However, like everything else it is operating on a lag right now. As a result, the scans show up long after the grades come in.
That said, if this is new information for anyone, you can start to go back and check old express (and higher) submissions and see if your own scans are complete and uploaded.
So the database was being constructed even before they had software with which to sift through it.
this actually drives home my point. even now and w/ some sort of technology, it's so far backed up, it's insane. and what do you think the ratio of serial numbered cards that qualify for securescan vs that dont? 1:1000? 1:10,000? and if it's backed up, as is on a 1:1 ratio, then how backed up would it be if they were doing them all? as you stated, the system and the intentions have been in place for years. the implementation though...😉
the popular phrase of "easier said than done" comes to mind.
You’re making me work too much 😂😂😂
I checked - it has applied to Regular Service level and up since at least 12/31/19.
For the economy levels and bulks, I couldn’t tell you but I’m not sure if there’s a ton of concern over ‘88 DonRuss commons submitted at the service level.
(Just a silly joke 😉).
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For the economy levels and bulks, I couldn’t tell you but I’m not sure if there’s a ton of concern over ‘88 DonRuss commons submitted at the service level.
(Just a silly joke 😉).
well the buybacks would be serial numbered, so.... 😉
For the economy levels and bulks, I couldn’t tell you but I’m not sure if there’s a ton of concern over ‘88 DonRuss commons submitted at the service level.
(Just a silly joke 😉).
well the buybacks would be serial numbered, so.... 😉
🤔
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eta: this is how i see things progressing based off own calculations & crystal ball and my crystal ball alone:
cards pumped out per day as of 2/01 = 20k
cards pumped out per day as of 3/01 = 27.5k
weekly increased capacity = 1.7k
ideal goal is to have the capacity as of 12/31 to do 50k daily
**but w/ the daily norm to be 40k. the 50k fig is to be able to handle the temporary influxes that comes w new releases.
express grading most likely the only to reopen by 7/1
next tier to reopen below that depends on market demand once express opens back up, demand is expected to be quite strong for a solid 2-3 months.
the forecast right now is for value grading to open back by 12/31 w turnaround of 3-4 months. obviously a ton of variables that will dictate the timing and pricing structure. set registry concerns are still very important but unless the bigger problems aren't handled first, set registry concerns wouldn't even matter. the end goal is the core customer group.
nothing is set in stone, but initial increased weekly capacity goals are being met.
"sometimes you gotta go backwards to move forward"
@blurryface said:
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
yeah, if that's the case, the number of cards submitted is going to fall a whole bunch...with today's grading standards, you have to assume PSA 9 at best -- a lot of cards being submitted currently are break even at best in a PSA 9...I know for myself, the stack of cards I wish to submit would get very small compared to what it currently is
Am I mistaken or has the CTD not changed for Value - Modern in 2 weeks ?
Value - Modern 9 Aug 2020
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thinking yesterday was a training, set up/construction day or something. zero pops, only one sub logged. same goes w the all of my groups subs thru pcs. not much action for anyone else in their group subs either. don't think anyone else here posted any relevant movement?
They already have me trained..... waiting for a review sub to pop (Express) - four PSA 9 Charizards. Now I am sitting here HOPING for an upcharge email rather than moving to QA
Confused. Why do they even show CC Vouchers? They used to be treated as regular..... then without transparency/communication they are logged as economy. And they are 2 days ahead of economy?????
@Bosox1976 said:
They already have me trained..... waiting for a review sub to pop (Express) - four PSA 9 Charizards. Now I am sitting here HOPING for an upcharge email rather than moving to QA
be prepared. even the emails seem to be delayed. i just check the site these days vs the inbox. i've had instances where subs will pop or see "up charge/problem order" on the site only to finally get an email hours or even a day later. on the up charge order luckily i have a back line. if you see one on the site, lemme know. it's like christmas morning. i can fully understand the anxiety of finding out what's under the tree.
@sayheywyo said:
Confused. Why do they even show CC Vouchers? They used to be treated as regular..... then without transparency/communication they are logged as economy. And they are 2 days ahead of economy?????
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
@blurryface said:
thinking yesterday was a training, set up/construction day or something. zero pops, only one sub logged. same goes w the all of my groups subs thru pcs. not much action for anyone else in their group subs either. don't think anyone else here posted any relevant movement?
I had a 29 card Regular sub (entered 3/31) move from Grading to Assembly yesterday. My Express order has been sitting in QA2 all week.
@blurryface said:
thinking yesterday was a training, set up/construction day or something. zero pops, only one sub logged. same goes w the all of my groups subs thru pcs. not much action for anyone else in their group subs either. don't think anyone else here posted any relevant movement?
I had a 29 card Regular sub (entered 3/31) move from Grading to Assembly yesterday. My Express order has been sitting in QA2 all week.
earlier in the thread i had some thoughts as to them changing up the system. perhaps having most of the staff help log and push cards thru the pipeline to the graders on one day. then switching up and having most of the staff process the orders on the other days. here's a pic of my loggage. pretty easy to see the pattern. every 5 days. then 2 days. then back to 5 days. then 2 days. then back to 5 days:
and then i will only have subs pop on certain days. prior to feb, it was all sporadic.
2 card regular order arrived 2/26, entered 3/31, just moved to QA this morning after 4 weeks in grading. Can someone remind me of timing of any potential upcharge email or when grades actually viewable? Expect 8's, hoping on 9's.
"...life is but a dream."
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
considering its a friday, it might be an “other things” day?
had a couple separate reholder and mechanical error subs jump from research and go directly to qa. each one of these subs was recvd & logged months apart.
could be coincidental but might be further proof of overall system rearrangement and compartmentalization.
i had no real movement at all over the weekend. probably 15+ subs in assemby, qa1 and qa2. nothing moved, nothing popped as of lunch today. 🤔
@scmavl said:
I've got a feeling mine will move to shipping today. I mean, doesn't the QA2 department want to clean the slate on a Friday?
If I'm wrong, I'll send one random person a raw '89 Donruss Oil Can Boyd guaranteed to grade at least a 4. Any takers?
My economy has been in QA2 since Tuesday or Wednesday. My last 80s sub was in QA2 for 2 weeks plus. I have had that happen at least twice. Historically things moved out of QA2 in 24-48 hours. Now who knows.
@scmavl said:
I've got a feeling mine will move to shipping today. I mean, doesn't the QA2 department want to clean the slate on a Friday?
If I'm wrong, I'll send one random person a raw '89 Donruss Oil Can Boyd guaranteed to grade at least a 4. Any takers?
My economy has been in QA2 since Tuesday or Wednesday. My last 80s sub was in QA2 for 2 weeks plus. I have had that happen at least twice. Historically things moved out of QA2 in 24-48 hours. Now who knows.
if they are rotating the staff around the compartmentalization stages, this kinda makes sense. qa2 holding patterns for me seem to be either 5 days, 10 days or 15 days (sunday and holiday excluded) thinking if you are at the back of the line on qa2 day and they dont get to it, then they dont get back to qa2 processing day until another 5, etc. similar to my screenshot above w entering. patterns seem to be emerging. again, no concrete evidence. ive just been crudely noting so i dont have to keep checking all my subs.
basically the assembly line works a lot faster when your manufacturing one thing.
My pack sub from February was entered yesterday. Very happy about that.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I have a bunch of subs in, but my oldest is a Value-Modern that was logged 9/11/20 and has been in grading for several weeks...looks like I am still about a month away from poppage, correct?
@blurryface said: anyone have any recent crossover info?
i have 1 sub at the regular level, both cards are PSA blue flipped, that's been there since 3/1 and zero movement.
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No movement on Crossover in 6 months. 4 of the cards are 'any" two have minimums.
FYI the first sub JUST moved into assembly this week after 6 months in grading ( went to grading 2 weeks after entry)
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I'll believe it when I see it on the bulk reopen 12/31 date. They may "open" those subs back up- but if the numbers are to be believed that they are publicly releasing, daily output would have to triple, not double, from current May 1 totals to meet those goals. They stated current is roughly 27k- they'd need to average 75k a day just to meet the backlog 13mil amounts. All while still getting in new stuff ? Unreasonable expectation. When they can't even budge Value subs more than 5 business days in 30 days currently ? And they want MORE in they cannot store or handle? Even the math tragedies amongst the general pop can figure out 13 mil and 6 months gonna take 2.1 mil a month to achieve and current is 750k? I will believe that goal when I see it happen.
I can see lots of QA related wreckage on the horizon if its forced. I am already seeing numerous damages, mislabels, debris, and cracked slabs etc on the QA side, and we are not even 1 month in on value backlog subs. They want to force even more stuff out while "trying" to maintain some semblance of order?
I am "hoping" they stay smart, focused on baby steps, take it a month at a time and assess how things are progressing.
Make decisions when they see the changes happen they can pinpoint and handle.
I am patient with bulks- more concerned about accuracy and attention to detail. Not seeing it lately and mistakes are increasing which is distressing at best and irritating at worst.
i appreciate their hard work just hope they don't lose sight of the main goals.
My opinion of course on that comment @blurryface its not personally directed its just the business side of me wondering based on available facts why such would even be floated out there publicly. Unless they know more than they are saying which can always be the case.
thanks for the info! i dont think the goal or even necessary to relieve all 13 million cards from the back log before reopening bottom service levels. i would also think they’d implement some sort of grading allocation until good flow is achieved. and while it wasnt conveyed, they did mention the possibility of additional locations in a pr release, so i think that could also be up and running by the end of the year. if thats the case, i could see different levels getting shipped to different facilities. ie, express and up to cali. then economy, value & specials to atlanta maybe?
@blurryface said:
here's the kicker. all of this modern basketball that i've subbed was from stuff i ripped myself during covid shut down. none of it was purchased raw off ebay and it's been in my hands only. i'm building a '19 covid historic bubble season set that i know is 100% pack pulled, self subbed and unaltered to tuck away. kinda why i shied away from vintage during/post trimming scandal. this is the only way i truly know i have an unaltered set.
anyways, with that being said and that it's a kawhi 10th year card and even though it's an /8, its not something i would really crack and resub. not confident, but no real incentive to pay a sub fee again. it's not a centered mantle, a ryan card or a blazing hot rookie card.
my first instinct is that they miscued a 3/8 instead of an 8/8. again, i'm gonna have to go thru tons of popped subs to look. it could be, but i just don't remember it and strikes me as odd.
with that being said, i just don't understand it. there are so many chrome cards that are dust and fingerprint magnets coupled w tons of newbie subbers that don't know to prep a card prior to subbing that it seems ridiculous to restrict a card based off a previous submittal.
on the flip side, we all say not all 9's a created equal, right? what if you take a 9 with a chipped border or corner, trim it down to where it looks and presents much better. now creating a top shelf 9? does that get the auto-grade into a 9 holder based of a previous submittal?
this is very concerning for several different reasons. and i still fully haven't processed all the pros and cons.
yeah, I don't like any part of this new process/procedure
@bobbybakeriv said:
This is a definitel game-changer. I have thousands of raw cards and most were purchased from others. Did PSA let the customer know this was coming? I hadn't heard but I don't always pay much attention. And why is it wrong to crack and resub? I guess the valid point would be related to the pop report but PSA should probably fix SMR first. A lot of the "values" listed are an absolute joke.
i forget exactly where but i posted somewhere of two scenarios i had heard of a month or so back. one vintage and one a modern. both guys well trusted, respected and more important unlinked. i think @1951WheatiesPremium and i we're discussing it. he prolly has a better memory about it than i do.
I do vaguely recall you saying something about it but I didn't pay it much mind then. I still think PSA should have made an announcement as this is a big deal to many of us. Thanks Blurry. I need to pay better attention ....
we don't get too many announcements re: upcoming changes
QA 1: 5/7/21
Wasn't expecting that, but I poked around on a different forum and someone has a Regular that's been about a week ahead of mine that just shipped. Makes me even happier that I didn't wait until the last minute after the price increase rumors started in mid-February.
I'm happy with the LeBron, as that's the proper grade. I was hoping for a 2.5 or 3 on the Paige (dead centered and creaseless), but it could've always been worse. Gehrig is expected, technically a 1 but very nice for the grade. I bought the Paige and Gehrig locally from an old fellow I befriended who got them from his older cousin when he was a kid.
@76collector said:
Am I mistaken or has the CTD not changed for Value - Modern in 2 weeks ?
You are now correct
Hard to not get more and more frustrated but it does me no good. I'm at 10 months now since I mailed my cards in with no sign of getting closer to getting them back.
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Wow, I had a Regular sub pop today too. Went from Grading to Popped in just a few days, and was still in QA1 this morning. I had estimates for these (in BOLD), and am happy overall with the grades. The Yaz RC and two Acuna 10s were nice. The difference in 9-10 on shiny modern is practically indistinguishable, so I'll take what I can get there. The Koufax RC is the real head scratcher, as I assumed it would get at least a 3. And both 80s Donruss cards should've been 10s, so the 8s are ridiculous. Otherwise, it's okay.
1 1 57199686 GOOD+ 2.5 1953 Topps 220 Satchell Paige 2
2 1 57199687 FAIR 1.5 1955 Topps 123 Sandy Koufax 3
3 1 N8: MISCUT 1957 Topps Don Drysdale Card 5.5
4 1 57199689 VERY GOOD 3 1955 Topps 124 Harmon Killebrew 3.5
5 1 57199690 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1959 Topps 514 Bob Gibson 3.5
6 1 57199691 GOOD 2 1949 Bowman 84 Roy Campanella 2.5
7 1 57199692 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1967 Topps 569 A.L. Rookies R.Carew/H.Allen 4
8 1 57199693 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1960 Topps 148 Carl Yastrzemski Rookie Star 5.5
9 1 57199694 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 33 Ken Griffey Jr. 10
10 1 57199695 GOOD 2 1952 Topps 314 Roy Campanella 2.5
11 1 57199696 VERY GOOD 3 1959 Topps 10 Mickey Mantle 3
12 1 57199697 NEAR MINT 7 1973 Topps 50 Roberto Clemente 7
13 1 57199698 MINT 9 2008 Topps Update & Highlights UH240 Clayton Kershaw 9
14 1 57199699 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1958 Topps 150 Mickey Mantle 5.5
15 1 57199700 MINT 9 2016 Bowman's Best Best of 2016 Autograph B16mt Mike Trout Orange Refractor 10
16 1 57199701 MINT 9 2014 Bowman Prospects BP109 Mookie Betts Purple 9
17 1 57199702 MINT 9 1983 Topps 83 Ryne Sandberg 10
18 1 57199703 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1982 Donruss 113 Rickey Henderson 10
19 1 57199704 MINT 9 2020 Bowman Chrome Prospect Autographs Cpajdo Jasson Dominguez 9
20 1 57199705 MINT 9 2019 Topps Chrome Update 54 Fernando Tatis Jr. 10
21 1 57199706 MINT 9 2020 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP8 Jasson Dominguez 9
22 1 57199707 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Mega Box Chrome Prospects BCP127 Ronald Acuna 9
23 1 57199708 MINT 9 2019 Topps Chrome 203 Fernando Tatis Jr. 10
24 1 57199709 GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps Heritage 517 Fernando Tatis Jr. 10
25 1 57199710 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Prospects BCP127 Ronald Acuna Chrome 9
26 1 57199711 MINT 9 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting 10
27 1 57199712 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1952 Topps 195 Orestes Minoso 5
28 1 57199713 VERY GOOD 3 1955 Topps 50 Jackie Robinson 3.5
29 1 57199714 GOOD+ 2.5 1956 Topps 30 Jackie Robinson White Back 4
@76collector said:
Am I mistaken or has the CTD not changed for Value - Modern in 2 weeks ?
You are now correct
Hard to not get more and more frustrated but it does me no good. I'm at 10 months now since I mailed my cards in with no sign of getting closer to getting them back.
76,
obv get your frustration, find solace in knowing your subs will prolly skip from grading to qa2 very, very quickly. most of mine that seem to get hung up experience this fast track once initiated.
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Here's a suggestion that helped me comb through thousands of line items in multiple subs to locate cards for tax cost basis confirmation. I export my submission results into Excel and paste them one after the other. When I have them all exported to a single Excel file, I use the 'find' feature to search for the card of interest. You can also use the filter feature to select from a list in year/card number order which is sometimes the easiest way to find items that don't have a unique enough search name (e.g., for cards like Bob Johnson).
blurryface, In the end, I am not sure why you made the comment you did. I explained how PSA could have already been performing checks against previously graded cards with a minimal increase in effort which was in my original post - "I have been wondering for years why PSA didn't have an internal database of grades for numbered cards that they could check.". I was not commenting on how they found your particular card as the timing would indicate the introduction of the genamint (or similar) technology.
Robb
i had a more detailed answer here. it got erased by the glitch this board suffers from.
long story short, there's nothing minimal about entering in a bazillion different serial numbered cards. they just got a barcode system. your theory is sound and is easy on paper. implementation however is not so minimal.
blurryface, we will agree to disagree.
That said, I do appreciate you posting your experiences with PSA especially regarding this new policy on re-subs. It will be interesting to see if PSA returns the card with the same grade or not. Either way, I think this change in direction by PSA will impact folks that planned to crack and re-sub once PSA is accepting submissions again.
Robb
there's been a talk of possibly 13 million cards sitting there at psa. how many of those do you think have serial numbers? let's just go w half. that's 6.5 million cards. w the announcement of genamint, thats pretty much concrete evidence that there was zero software in place to i.d., log and track every serial numbered card. therefore that suggests that each one would have to be manually inputted in the "serial number tracking database" when they are already constipated on cards as it is. do you realize what it would cost to do such a thing on 6.5 million cards with 100k more coming in each and every day? again, your theory is sound and i fully agree it makes sense from an outside perspective. applying "minimal effort" to the actual implementation of such a theory is flawed, imo.
SecureScan has been in place for almost two years. It originally applies to the highest service levels but more and more cards started to get it. I’m not sure if they’re at 100% yet but the “Image by PSACard” that @blurryface referred to earlier has been applied to a lot of cards over that span.
However, like everything else it is operating on a lag right now. As a result, the scans show up long after the grades come in.
That said, if this is new information for anyone, you can start to go back and check old express (and higher) submissions and see if your own scans are complete and uploaded.
So the database was being constructed even before they had software with which to sift through it.
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this actually drives home my point. even now and w/ some sort of technology, it's so far backed up, it's insane. and what do you think the ratio of serial numbered cards that qualify for securescan vs that dont? 1:1000? 1:10,000? and if it's backed up, as is on a 1:1 ratio, then how backed up would it be if they were doing them all? as you stated, the system and the intentions have been in place for years. the implementation though...😉
the popular phrase of "easier said than done" comes to mind.
and that's ok! it's a discussion board. if we all agreed it'd be boring. plus, just because we (or anyone here) don't happen to agree on 1 topic doesn't mean i don't respect your opinion. first and foremost, we are all here because of a common camaraderie and to learn, help and protect one another.
btw: and im sorry, i think i might have left this detailed info out before. the two instances i've heard of this happening, both cards were returned in the same grade. i will definitely post the grade and (just thought about this)...if they apply the same cert number too. oh. and the new sub that this card is in is still only in the "grading" phase, could still be a few months before it pops (again).
You’re making me work too much 😂😂😂
I checked - it has applied to Regular Service level and up since at least 12/31/19.
For the economy levels and bulks, I couldn’t tell you but I’m not sure if there’s a ton of concern over ‘88 DonRuss commons submitted at the service level.
(Just a silly joke 😉).
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well the buybacks would be serial numbered, so.... 😉
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eta: this is how i see things progressing based off own calculations & crystal ball and my crystal ball alone:
cards pumped out per day as of 2/01 = 20k
cards pumped out per day as of 3/01 = 27.5k
weekly increased capacity = 1.7k
ideal goal is to have the capacity as of 12/31 to do 50k daily
**but w/ the daily norm to be 40k. the 50k fig is to be able to handle the temporary influxes that comes w new releases.
express grading most likely the only to reopen by 7/1
next tier to reopen below that depends on market demand once express opens back up, demand is expected to be quite strong for a solid 2-3 months.
the forecast right now is for value grading to open back by 12/31 w turnaround of 3-4 months. obviously a ton of variables that will dictate the timing and pricing structure. set registry concerns are still very important but unless the bigger problems aren't handled first, set registry concerns wouldn't even matter. the end goal is the core customer group.
nothing is set in stone, but initial increased weekly capacity goals are being met.
"sometimes you gotta go backwards to move forward"
yeah, if that's the case, the number of cards submitted is going to fall a whole bunch...with today's grading standards, you have to assume PSA 9 at best -- a lot of cards being submitted currently are break even at best in a PSA 9...I know for myself, the stack of cards I wish to submit would get very small compared to what it currently is
I suspect that in 'the new normal' we will be jumping for joy when we get $20 a card specials.
Bosox1976
Am I mistaken or has the CTD not changed for Value - Modern in 2 weeks ?
Value - Modern 9 Aug 2020
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Am I mistaken or has the CTD not changed for Value - Modern in 2 weeks ?
I concur
Pretty darn close:
Bump
thinking yesterday was a training, set up/construction day or something. zero pops, only one sub logged. same goes w the all of my groups subs thru pcs. not much action for anyone else in their group subs either. don't think anyone else here posted any relevant movement?
They already have me trained..... waiting for a review sub to pop (Express) - four PSA 9 Charizards. Now I am sitting here HOPING for an upcharge email rather than moving to QA
Bosox1976
Confused. Why do they even show CC Vouchers? They used to be treated as regular..... then without transparency/communication they are logged as economy. And they are 2 days ahead of economy?????
be prepared. even the emails seem to be delayed. i just check the site these days vs the inbox. i've had instances where subs will pop or see "up charge/problem order" on the site only to finally get an email hours or even a day later. on the up charge order luckily i have a back line. if you see one on the site, lemme know. it's like christmas morning. i can fully understand the anxiety of finding out what's under the tree.
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NED? RYERSON?
I had a 29 card Regular sub (entered 3/31) move from Grading to Assembly yesterday. My Express order has been sitting in QA2 all week.
earlier in the thread i had some thoughts as to them changing up the system. perhaps having most of the staff help log and push cards thru the pipeline to the graders on one day. then switching up and having most of the staff process the orders on the other days. here's a pic of my loggage. pretty easy to see the pattern. every 5 days. then 2 days. then back to 5 days. then 2 days. then back to 5 days:
and then i will only have subs pop on certain days. prior to feb, it was all sporadic.
2 card regular order arrived 2/26, entered 3/31, just moved to QA this morning after 4 weeks in grading. Can someone remind me of timing of any potential upcharge email or when grades actually viewable? Expect 8's, hoping on 9's.
Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
We can see where the priority is
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considering its a friday, it might be an “other things” day?
had a couple separate reholder and mechanical error subs jump from research and go directly to qa. each one of these subs was recvd & logged months apart.
could be coincidental but might be further proof of overall system rearrangement and compartmentalization.
i had no real movement at all over the weekend. probably 15+ subs in assemby, qa1 and qa2. nothing moved, nothing popped as of lunch today. 🤔
I've got a feeling mine will move to shipping today. I mean, doesn't the QA2 department want to clean the slate on a Friday?
If I'm wrong, I'll send one random person a raw '89 Donruss Oil Can Boyd guaranteed to grade at least a 4. Any takers?
My economy has been in QA2 since Tuesday or Wednesday. My last 80s sub was in QA2 for 2 weeks plus. I have had that happen at least twice. Historically things moved out of QA2 in 24-48 hours. Now who knows.
Just got an email and upon quick glance I assumed it was a PSA upcharge email. SCORE!!!
Then when I looked close, I realized it was from PBS.
Assembly: 5/6/21
Looks like this is on track for a June poppage.
if they are rotating the staff around the compartmentalization stages, this kinda makes sense. qa2 holding patterns for me seem to be either 5 days, 10 days or 15 days (sunday and holiday excluded) thinking if you are at the back of the line on qa2 day and they dont get to it, then they dont get back to qa2 processing day until another 5, etc. similar to my screenshot above w entering. patterns seem to be emerging. again, no concrete evidence. ive just been crudely noting so i dont have to keep checking all my subs.
basically the assembly line works a lot faster when your manufacturing one thing.
anyone have any recent crossover info?
i have 1 sub at the regular level, both cards are psa blue flipped, thats been there since 3/1 and zero movement.
My pack sub from February was entered yesterday. Very happy about that.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I have a bunch of subs in, but my oldest is a Value-Modern that was logged 9/11/20 and has been in grading for several weeks...looks like I am still about a month away from poppage, correct?
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Two economy from last year- sub 10324788 is an 11 card basic grading, sub 10332100 is a 6 card crossover
No movement on Crossover in 6 months. 4 of the cards are 'any" two have minimums.
FYI the first sub JUST moved into assembly this week after 6 months in grading ( went to grading 2 weeks after entry)
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I'll believe it when I see it on the bulk reopen 12/31 date. They may "open" those subs back up- but if the numbers are to be believed that they are publicly releasing, daily output would have to triple, not double, from current May 1 totals to meet those goals. They stated current is roughly 27k- they'd need to average 75k a day just to meet the backlog 13mil amounts. All while still getting in new stuff ? Unreasonable expectation. When they can't even budge Value subs more than 5 business days in 30 days currently ? And they want MORE in they cannot store or handle? Even the math tragedies amongst the general pop can figure out 13 mil and 6 months gonna take 2.1 mil a month to achieve and current is 750k? I will believe that goal when I see it happen.
I can see lots of QA related wreckage on the horizon if its forced. I am already seeing numerous damages, mislabels, debris, and cracked slabs etc on the QA side, and we are not even 1 month in on value backlog subs. They want to force even more stuff out while "trying" to maintain some semblance of order?
I am "hoping" they stay smart, focused on baby steps, take it a month at a time and assess how things are progressing.
Make decisions when they see the changes happen they can pinpoint and handle.
I am patient with bulks- more concerned about accuracy and attention to detail. Not seeing it lately and mistakes are increasing which is distressing at best and irritating at worst.
i appreciate their hard work just hope they don't lose sight of the main goals.
My opinion of course on that comment @blurryface its not personally directed its just the business side of me wondering based on available facts why such would even be floated out there publicly. Unless they know more than they are saying which can always be the case.
thanks for the info! i dont think the goal or even necessary to relieve all 13 million cards from the back log before reopening bottom service levels. i would also think they’d implement some sort of grading allocation until good flow is achieved. and while it wasnt conveyed, they did mention the possibility of additional locations in a pr release, so i think that could also be up and running by the end of the year. if thats the case, i could see different levels getting shipped to different facilities. ie, express and up to cali. then economy, value & specials to atlanta maybe?
yeah, I don't like any part of this new process/procedure
we don't get too many announcements re: upcoming changes
QA 1: 5/7/21
Wasn't expecting that, but I poked around on a different forum and someone has a Regular that's been about a week ahead of mine that just shipped. Makes me even happier that I didn't wait until the last minute after the price increase rumors started in mid-February.
4 Card regular
Arrived: 2/16
Entered: 3/5
Shipped: 5/5
1 1 56495644 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1984 Topps 63 John Elway Card
2 1 56495645 NEAR MINT 7 1985 Topps WWF 1 Hulk Hogan Card
3 1 56495646 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1998 Topps Chrome 135 Paul Pierce Card
4 1 56495647 MINT 9 2014 Topps Update US26 Mookie Betts Smiling in Dugout Card
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You are now correct
Express Order
Arrived: 3/3
Entered: 3/31
Popped: 5/9
1 1 57203XXX NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2003 Topps Chrome 111 LeBron James
2 1 57203XXX GOOD 2 1949 Bowman 224 Satchell Paige
3 1 57203XXX POOR 1 1934 Goudey 61 Lou Gehrig
I'm happy with the LeBron, as that's the proper grade. I was hoping for a 2.5 or 3 on the Paige (dead centered and creaseless), but it could've always been worse. Gehrig is expected, technically a 1 but very nice for the grade. I bought the Paige and Gehrig locally from an old fellow I befriended who got them from his older cousin when he was a kid.
Hard to not get more and more frustrated but it does me no good. I'm at 10 months now since I mailed my cards in with no sign of getting closer to getting them back.
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Wow, I had a Regular sub pop today too. Went from Grading to Popped in just a few days, and was still in QA1 this morning. I had estimates for these (in BOLD), and am happy overall with the grades. The Yaz RC and two Acuna 10s were nice. The difference in 9-10 on shiny modern is practically indistinguishable, so I'll take what I can get there. The Koufax RC is the real head scratcher, as I assumed it would get at least a 3. And both 80s Donruss cards should've been 10s, so the 8s are ridiculous. Otherwise, it's okay.
1 1 57199686 GOOD+ 2.5 1953 Topps 220 Satchell Paige 2
2 1 57199687 FAIR 1.5 1955 Topps 123 Sandy Koufax 3
3 1 N8: MISCUT 1957 Topps Don Drysdale Card 5.5
4 1 57199689 VERY GOOD 3 1955 Topps 124 Harmon Killebrew 3.5
5 1 57199690 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1959 Topps 514 Bob Gibson 3.5
6 1 57199691 GOOD 2 1949 Bowman 84 Roy Campanella 2.5
7 1 57199692 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1967 Topps 569 A.L. Rookies R.Carew/H.Allen 4
8 1 57199693 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1960 Topps 148 Carl Yastrzemski Rookie Star 5.5
9 1 57199694 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Donruss 33 Ken Griffey Jr. 10
10 1 57199695 GOOD 2 1952 Topps 314 Roy Campanella 2.5
11 1 57199696 VERY GOOD 3 1959 Topps 10 Mickey Mantle 3
12 1 57199697 NEAR MINT 7 1973 Topps 50 Roberto Clemente 7
13 1 57199698 MINT 9 2008 Topps Update & Highlights UH240 Clayton Kershaw 9
14 1 57199699 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT+ 4.5 1958 Topps 150 Mickey Mantle 5.5
15 1 57199700 MINT 9 2016 Bowman's Best Best of 2016 Autograph B16mt Mike Trout Orange Refractor 10
16 1 57199701 MINT 9 2014 Bowman Prospects BP109 Mookie Betts Purple 9
17 1 57199702 MINT 9 1983 Topps 83 Ryne Sandberg 10
18 1 57199703 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1982 Donruss 113 Rickey Henderson 10
19 1 57199704 MINT 9 2020 Bowman Chrome Prospect Autographs Cpajdo Jasson Dominguez 9
20 1 57199705 MINT 9 2019 Topps Chrome Update 54 Fernando Tatis Jr. 10
21 1 57199706 MINT 9 2020 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP8 Jasson Dominguez 9
22 1 57199707 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Mega Box Chrome Prospects BCP127 Ronald Acuna 9
23 1 57199708 MINT 9 2019 Topps Chrome 203 Fernando Tatis Jr. 10
24 1 57199709 GEM MINT 10 2019 Topps Heritage 517 Fernando Tatis Jr. 10
25 1 57199710 GEM MINT 10 2017 Bowman Prospects BCP127 Ronald Acuna Chrome 9
26 1 57199711 MINT 9 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting 10
27 1 57199712 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1952 Topps 195 Orestes Minoso 5
28 1 57199713 VERY GOOD 3 1955 Topps 50 Jackie Robinson 3.5
29 1 57199714 GOOD+ 2.5 1956 Topps 30 Jackie Robinson White Back 4
My CC sub:
Received 09/17
Entered 10/17
Grading 11/2020
Assembly 05/04
QA1 05/10
Getting close.
Robb
76,
obv get your frustration, find solace in knowing your subs will prolly skip from grading to qa2 very, very quickly. most of mine that seem to get hung up experience this fast track once initiated.