but for the most part yes. everything seems to be entered and kinda why i deduced that they’d be banging out economy orders because off of the reasons stated a few posts up.
didnt want my two non-entered subs to take away from the fact that they seem to be rocking and rolling in several different areas right now. hopefully they take a bit of a breather and have listened to the overall consensus about grading harshness and/or (in)consistencies.
would also like to think that front end, logging help can be utilized in holdering and shipping. obviously cant speak in absolutes, but seemed to be a more-than-usual amount of card corners being nicked, edges crimped or some sort of white residue landing on cards during encapsulation.
@blurryface said:
saw that, but still have 2 orders myself not logged. one done personally and another thru a group submitter back from 12/22 that was at the economy level of all things:
and the kicker: 20 day economy level still not even marked as recvd from 5 months ago?!?
Wow! Well, I am dismayed to see that. Have you reached out to anyone to see what's up?
not on the one personally. still well within the normal timeframe of not being entered based on other sub entry times.
the group subbed one, yes. wish i could go straight to the well there, but unfortunately i can only request status update through the group subber themselves. i have been assured it is in house and not lost. so....
@OAKESY25 said: @blurryface
yikes I assume the missing sub was shipped with lines 7 & 8? meaning they did receive the box.
yes. but not gonna lie...what happened from there and how it hasnt been entered is/has been quite concerning. id like to think ive been very cool about it...
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
For those who know me and my love of 76's this is the sub with 80+ 76's from a very high end set I bought last year, so I've really been looking forward to getting these grades back.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
For those with value modern orders that have been with PSA for several months, were they typically in grading for months, or another stage (eg, research and ID)? I have a 20-card value modern that’s been in research & ID for six weeks and didn’t know if that was unusual. I’ve accepted that it will probably be in grading for months.
@Geoff76 said:
For those with value modern orders that have been with PSA for several months, were they typically in grading for months, or another stage (eg, research and ID)? I have a 20-card value modern that’s been in research & ID for six weeks and didn’t know if that was unusual. I’ve accepted that it will probably be in grading for months.
I can help with this. Mine were in R&ID for months. And in grading for months.
I have a bunch of value modern I sent in different orders last year that can help with your timeline.
arrived 07/13/20 entered 09/09/20 in QA 1 >>>>> CHeck that, like @blurryface said might happen, this jumped to QA2 now... woohoo. Went from grading to QA2 since Friday...
arrived 8/10/20 entered 10/12/20 in grading now
arrived 10/7/20 entered 11/7/20 ** in R&D**
The other Jeff76
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
@Geoff76 said:
For those with value modern orders that have been with PSA for several months, were they typically in grading for months, or another stage (eg, research and ID)? I have a 20-card value modern that’s been in research & ID for six weeks and didn’t know if that was unusual. I’ve accepted that it will probably be in grading for months.
I can help with this. Mine were in R&ID for months. And in grading for months.
I have a bunch of value modern I sent in different orders last year that can help with your timeline.
arrived 07/13/20 entered 09/09/20 in QA 1 >>>>> CHeck that, like @blurryface said might happen, this jumped to QA2 now... woohoo. Went from grading to QA2 since Friday...
arrived 8/10/20 entered 10/12/20 in grading now
arrived 10/7/20 entered 11/7/20 ** in R&D**
The other Jeff76
some days im the pigeon, some days im the statue! 😉
For those who know me and my love of 76's this is the sub with 80+ 76's from a very high end set I bought last year, so I've really been looking forward to getting these grades back.
Jeff
That's awesome, Jeff! You'll have to bump up the thread with that purchase when you get them in.
nice to hear they have caught up on the order entry, hopefully they can get a little caught up on the grading aspect next. it is a struggle to see the light at the end of the tunnel when economy or value tiers take weeks to move a day. under that scenario the tiered approach to reintroducing anything below express probably has a very long first tier.
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
@76collector said:
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
@76collector said:
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
Quick update that mine moved to QA2 today. Went from Grading to Assembly to QA1 to QA2 in 3 days!
@76collector said:
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
Quick update that mine moved to QA2 today. Went from Grading to Assembly to QA1 to QA2 in 3 days!
Awesome. Seems like we are on the same trajectory. Hoping for grades in the next couple of days. Good luck with yours. Hope you hit some big ones.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
Damn, sorry Blurry. That is brutal and it’s concerning for anyone with cards out there right now. What is your usual gem rate on ultra modern, isn’t it in the high 40s? This is crazy.
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
Damn, sorry Blurry. That is brutal and it’s concerning for anyone with cards out there right now. What is your usual gem rate on ultra modern, isn’t it in the high 40s? This is crazy.
on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
recvd: who cares
logged: outrageous
shipped: why bother?
on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
I really think I will be able to add some insight into this conversation in regards to 70's cards. I don't have your expereince with modern, but have seen many of your subs, and trust your experience and eye for grades. I've subbed at least a thousand 76's in the last 10-15 years. My gem rate is about 10% on cards I expect to gem. Like you said, I will submit a Nolan or Rose, Eck, etc. knowing it's "only" an 8. But, my rate at landing gems has consistently been a bit over 10%. My recent 76 sub was EASILY the nicest I've ever submitted, it was the nicest set of 80 I've ever seen. It's not even a remote question in my mind. I have 82 of them, so if I don't get at least 8 gems I will not only be bummed but also very skeptical of the way things are being handled at PSA. Fingers crossed for grades soon, and hoping I don't get a smack in the face with a similar situation, where apparently my eyes have deceived me.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
recvd: who cares
logged: outrageous
shipped: why bother?
on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
I really think I will be able to add some insight into this conversation in regards to 70's cards. I don't have your expereince with modern, but have seen many of your subs, and trust your experience and eye for grades. I've subbed at least a thousand 76's in the last 10-15 years. My gem rate is about 10% on cards I expect to gem. Like you said, I will submit a Nolan or Rose, Eck, etc. knowing it's "only" an 8. But, my rate at landing gems has consistently been a bit over 10%. My recent 76 sub was EASILY the nicest I've ever submitted, it was the nicest set of 80 I've ever seen. It's not even a remote question in my mind. I have 82 of them, so if I don't get at least 8 gems I will not only be bummed but also very skeptical of the way things are being handled at PSA. Fingers crossed for grades soon, and hoping I don't get a smack in the face with a similar situation, where apparently my eyes have deceived me.
Jeff
wishing and hoping for the best. i think i am in a unique position simply because of the amount of product i ripped and subs i have in. ive had some really good ones lately. but ive noticed well more than my fair share of head scratchers in here too. my overall gem or what i feel as successful percentage rate has dropped significantly. i trust your eye too, 76. i hope and pray yours comes back correctly. i honestly wish you had about 5 or so different subs in to get an overall consensus vs a coin flip on 1.
in the grand scheme of things, this sub is nothing monumental. however, what if it was the occasional subber that put his whole tyler run in for the year, ended up being delayed for months on end and then gets hit w this? would he be back? would he ever trust psa or the process again? i tend to think there are more of these types out there than those that hang out here. think back about the guy that had the pristine topps coins. man he was pissed. righfully so. and he had been subbing for years. whats worse to think is not being able to crack cards out anymore. and even if you could, how long before you actually could. and then...how much would it cost? $30? $50? and then...how long will it take before they get back? another year? two? all this on top of already paying $20 a pop and waiting a year to get these results? the fact that these cards could be tied forever to an unfair 9 assessment is just crazy to me. heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night. so its certainly happening. of course no official announcement about that grading change either. too many things going on to think about all the different avenues that could play out, really. its abundantly clear though that the goal posts have moved.on crackouts without notice. why would harsher grading standards be any different?
Maybe PSA is now taking in to consideration the skill level of the player when grading ? (sooooo kidding)
Someone like 'Tyler Herro' should only get a very sporadic 10 due to his lack of skills and early injuries. In turn, Mike Trout should get all 10s, even if the card is warped and melted, but in this current period of inactivity, he should get 5's max.
Now is this possibly the lamest input on card grading that has ever been conceived ?
@OAKESY25 said: @blurryface
_ heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night._
curious, were those serial #'d modern cards?? any word if they have done that on regular issued stuff?
i did not inquire knowing that before mine even happened it was confirmed that there was one done on a vintage card over the $5K level. i think it's more of a value thing vs a vintage/modern thing. of course, mine was done on a $500 modern card though. so really, who knows?
pretty sure it has to be of a card that was very recently submitted either way. i think cracking out anything prior, that isnt imaged in the data base when you run the cert #, should be good. dont hold me to it.
but this all leads back to the bigger picture. if there's a new rule out there, tell us for petes sake! it's hard to play by the rules when you dont know them! otherwise it's just a game of "you lose".
i wish psa would just hurry up and buy sgc out. relieve all the stress of finding and teaching new graders to practice on my cards. 😉
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
@rexvos said:
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
An 8 should never be confused with a 6 and vice-versa. (Maybe a 6 vs an 8 OC) The standards are so wildly different that it makes no sense how that could ever even happen. By PSA's definition "an 8 is a super high end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance". I have never seen a 6 and from arms length thought, boy, that looks like a 9. How incredibly frustrating! I've had 8's and 9's bump to 10's and 9's that I thought should bump get dropped to an 8 but a 6 is a materially different card from an 8, or at least should be.
@rexvos said:
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
An 8 should never be confused with a 6 and vice-versa. (Maybe a 6 vs an 8 OC) The standards are so wildly different that it makes no sense how that could ever even happen. By PSA's definition "an 8 is a super high end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance". I have never seen a 6 and from arms length thought, boy, that looks like a 9. How incredibly frustrating! I've had 8's and 9's bump to 10's and 9's that I thought should bump get dropped to an 8 but a 6 is a materially different card from an 8, or at least should be.
I have always said. Publish graders names on every sub. Audit them for consistency. Then reassign or release those too strict or lenient. It is not that hard. Instead let’s alienate our entire customer base with our inability to be transparent about anything.
On another note, this express popped today and grades were right in line as expected. One card vintage and I guessed it was a 3 or 4, graded out at a 3.5.
Certain parts of the process have indeed sped up. It wasn't too long ago that an order would be in QA1 or QA2 for a few weeks at a time. I know this is a one card order, but there are definitely improvements in the overall process.
With recent grading results, I'm hoping my orders don't get graded for a long time. Hopefully by then, the grading standards will be recalibrated to be in line with the published standards that have been in place for decades.
I recently had a ticket stub FLY through the grading process. Maybe tickets are handled differently than cards?? Meanwhile, my order from last June still sits and sits. The quarterly sub update has been sitting on August 9th for awhile.
I just saw this...
PSA no longer requires submitters to decide whether to request “No Qualifiers”, as characteristics such as Centering, Staining, Print Defects and Focus will default to impacting the numerical grade rather than carrying a qualifier. There are exceptions and we encourage collectors to review the updated policy on the PSA Grading Standards page.
On the grading standards page this is what it says:
In addition to a numerical grade, some PSA graded cards also carry a Qualifier to identify specific characteristics of the card. Following is a description of the six PSA qualifiers, 2 of which are required, and 4 that are optional.
So MK and MC are required qualifiers whereas the others are "optional". Wasn't that kind of always the case? And why do "OC, PD, OF" show as optional on the grading standards page but the above announcement says they will default to impacting the numerical grade. I feel like if you asked for NQ then if centering was for a 6 but you're card was a 9, you'd get a 6 or 6.5 whereas if you asked for qualifiers you would get a 9(OC).
My 76 grades just popped. Sent in July of last year, received in sep. I feel like an 18 year old again, with the possible acceptance letter to my top college of choice in my hand. Nervous to open it, lol. Here goes nothing... Will post grades later.
Jeff
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
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but for the most part yes. everything seems to be entered and kinda why i deduced that they’d be banging out economy orders because off of the reasons stated a few posts up.
didnt want my two non-entered subs to take away from the fact that they seem to be rocking and rolling in several different areas right now. hopefully they take a bit of a breather and have listened to the overall consensus about grading harshness and/or (in)consistencies.
would also like to think that front end, logging help can be utilized in holdering and shipping. obviously cant speak in absolutes, but seemed to be a more-than-usual amount of card corners being nicked, edges crimped or some sort of white residue landing on cards during encapsulation.
not on the one personally. still well within the normal timeframe of not being entered based on other sub entry times.
the group subbed one, yes. wish i could go straight to the well there, but unfortunately i can only request status update through the group subber themselves. i have been assured it is in house and not lost. so....
@blurryface
yikes I assume the missing sub was shipped with lines 7 & 8? meaning they did receive the box.
yes. but not gonna lie...what happened from there and how it hasnt been entered is/has been quite concerning. id like to think ive been very cool about it...
102 card value modern. I have 5 value moderns I sent between July and October of last year and this is the first movement I've seen in months.
arrived 07/13/20
entered 09/09/20
grading - lost track of the exact date, maybe Feb of 2021 ?
Stoked to report it skipped over assembly and right to QA check 1 this weekend !
For those who know me and my love of 76's this is the sub with 80+ 76's from a very high end set I bought last year, so I've really been looking forward to getting these grades back.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
What is the oldest received date everyone is sitting on.
Mine is for a 8/19 received 72 card 80s sub
I have a 26 card sub recieved on 9/18/2020, still in grading
For those with value modern orders that have been with PSA for several months, were they typically in grading for months, or another stage (eg, research and ID)? I have a 20-card value modern that’s been in research & ID for six weeks and didn’t know if that was unusual. I’ve accepted that it will probably be in grading for months.
Received 6/18/20. Logged 8/12/20. I am pretty sure I am the oldest one out there.
Mine is so old, it was MONTHLY specials back then. This particular one is called "STAY GOLDEN". Nothing newer than 1959. Around 283 cards.
Yep you got me beat by a week my logged date is 8/19 it was received 7/1
mine is an economy sub
arrived 9/2/20
logged: 10/2/20
I can help with this. Mine were in R&ID for months. And in grading for months.
I have a bunch of value modern I sent in different orders last year that can help with your timeline.
arrived 07/13/20 entered 09/09/20 in QA 1 >>>>> CHeck that, like @blurryface said might happen, this jumped to QA2 now... woohoo. Went from grading to QA2 since Friday...
arrived 8/10/20 entered 10/12/20 in grading now
arrived 10/7/20 entered 11/7/20 ** in R&D**
The other Jeff76
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Was yours the STAY GOLDEN special also?
some days im the pigeon, some days im the statue! 😉
some days im the pigeon, some days im the statue! 😉
what's it like to be the pigeon uncle Blurry
That's awesome, Jeff! You'll have to bump up the thread with that purchase when you get them in.
Bosox1976
Had 1 pop today. Arrived 10/05/2020, Entered 11/16/2020.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 51763796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2003 Topps Chrome 169 Terrell Suggs Card
2 1 51763797 MINT 9 2011 Topps Chrome 211 Patrick Peterson Card
3 1 51763798 MINT 9 2013 Topps Chrome 118 Travis Kelce Card
4 1 51763799 GEM MINT 10 2012 Panini Prizm 201 Kyrie Irving Card
5 1 51763800 MINT 9 2012 Panini Prizm 201 Kyrie Irving Card
6 1 51763801 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Green Background Card
7 1 51763802 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Stands in Background Card
8 1 51763803 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Stands-Refractor Card
9 1 51763804 MINT 9 2012 Topps Chrome 40 Russell Wilson Stands-Refractor Card
10 1 51763805 MINT 9 2012 Panini Prizm 239 Bobby Wagner Card
10s are so freakin hard on these moderns now.
9/22 received 50 card Value in Research and ID since 12/28. 1 card has no Pop Comp, but has set comps, other 49 are good
Received: 07/28/20 Logged: 09/21/20 In Grading. Value Modern.
nice to hear they have caught up on the order entry, hopefully they can get a little caught up on the grading aspect next. it is a struggle to see the light at the end of the tunnel when economy or value tiers take weeks to move a day.
under that scenario the tiered approach to reintroducing anything below express probably has a very long first tier.
Rec'd - 3/4/21
Logged - 4/13/21
Grading - 4/13/21
Assembly and QA1- 5/24/21
Grades Popped -
Shipped -
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68 card, economy
recvd: who cares
logged: outrageous
shipped: why bother?
1 1 51818151 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
2 1 51818152 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
3 1 51818153 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
4 1 51818154 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
5 1 51818155 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
6 1 51818156 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
7 1 51818157 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
8 1 51818158 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
9 1 51818159 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
10 1 51818160 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
11 1 51818161 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
12 1 51818162 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
13 1 51818163 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
14 1 51818164 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
15 1 51818165 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
16 1 51818166 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
17 1 51818167 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
18 1 51818168 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
19 1 51818169 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm 259 Tyler Herro Card
20 1 51818170 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
21 1 51818171 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
22 1 51818172 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
23 1 51818173 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
24 1 51818174 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
25 1 51818175 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
26 1 51818176 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
27 1 51818177 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
28 1 51818178 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 172 Tyler Herro Card
29 1 51818179 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
30 1 51818180 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
31 1 51818181 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
32 1 51818182 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
33 1 51818183 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
34 1 51818184 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
35 1 51818185 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
36 1 51818186 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
37 1 51818187 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
38 1 51818188 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
39 1 51818189 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
40 1 51818190 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
41 1 51818191 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
42 1 51818192 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
43 1 51818193 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
44 1 51818194 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
45 1 51818195 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
46 1 51818196 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
47 1 51818197 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
48 1 51818198 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
49 1 51818199 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
50 1 51818200 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
51 1 51818201 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
52 1 51818202 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
53 1 51818203 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
54 1 51818204 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
55 1 51818205 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
56 1 51818206 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
57 1 51818207 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
58 1 51818208 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
59 1 51818209 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Card
60 1 51818210 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Emergent 5 Tyler Herro Silver Prizm Card
61 1 51818211 MINT 9 2019 Panini Prizm Emergent 5 Tyler Herro Silver Prizm Card
62 1 51818212 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Instant Impact 1 Tyler Herro Green Prizm Card
63 1 51818213 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Luck of the Lottery 13 Tyler Herro Fast Break Card
64 1 51818214 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 280 Tyler Herro Pink Camo Card
65 1 51818215 MINT 9 2019 Panini Court Kings 98 Tyler Herro Card
66 1 51818216 MINT 9 2019 Panini Hoops 210 Tyler Herro Winter Card
67 1 51818217 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 223 Tyler Herro Black Jersey-Fast Break-Silver Card
68 1 51818218 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm Luck of the Lottery 13 Tyler Herro Fast Break
notes: funniest thing ive seen. possibly ever. my rejection pile woulda done better 4 months back.
have subbed and landed several big mantles, ryans, berras, aarons along w cultivating together some of the top centered registry sets ever but now youre gonna tell me all of a sudden im ray charles when it comes to picking out some modern tyler herro? im sure its my eye and technique thats changed too, right?
wow, that's crazy
I could have written that myself as I’m right with you. Also have 5 value orders between July and October with one of mine sent 7/10 and entered 9/8 finally moved Saturday to Assembly and on to QA1 the next day. Mostly 81 Topps Basketball and Hockey for me. Hoping we fly through QA2 but not holding my breath. Good luck on your results!
51 out of 68 are 9s?
Couple 6s thrown in to keep you honest!???!
Eeeeyikes..
dont forget the 8 on line 31! 😉
OMG.... just checked a CC sub and had movement.
Logged: 11-24
Grading: 4-9
It is in QA-2 now. No clue of when since I don't check very often.
In the large dual-auto sub that Jason put together: been out of my possession over a year.
This post is updated daily on the most recent page (34) of this discussion topic.
I have a 79 card value vintage,
Rec’d 8/3, logged 9/29.
Just hit month 2 of grading.
Some great hits out there!
Quick update that mine moved to QA2 today. Went from Grading to Assembly to QA1 to QA2 in 3 days!
Awesome. Seems like we are on the same trajectory. Hoping for grades in the next couple of days. Good luck with yours. Hope you hit some big ones.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Damn, sorry Blurry. That is brutal and it’s concerning for anyone with cards out there right now. What is your usual gem rate on ultra modern, isn’t it in the high 40s? This is crazy.
I’m still here, spinning in my chair and...
😁😁😁
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on modern its pretty tricky to pinpoint due to a number of variables. usually mid 60 - 70s but thats with throwing cards in there that i dont mind 9s on, nor expect 10s on. i also tend to throw in sacrificial lambs in there too. but on a sub like this, which is the same base card against three sets? heck, shoulda been high 80% easy. look back a few pages...there was a similar run of 10 soto pink refractors that went 8 or 9 landing 10s. 8 us300 w mostly 9 and 10s. which a 9 IS a 10 for that card. and actually got 2 10s there. i have several other pinks and golds that didnt make the cut, no different than the stack of herros that didnt make the cut either. my sub review, process techniques havent changed. and still have 20/20 vision. this is just an atrocity to laugh at. the true question is whether or not its a sign of things to come? i was really optimistic w the new ownership group and things seeming to be headed in the right direction. now, im not so certain about much. me, personally, im good. but i cant help but think how many people are getting crushed on a daily basis when thier subs pop after waiting patiently for months on end. take bobby’s scenario for instance. precisely why i commented in there that it wasnt that particular card that drove him to the breaking point. rather everything leading up to it. things are bad if a sub is basically dependent upon a coin flip in deciding whether you get a new grader or an experienced one. and if its a change in grading standards, then formally announce it and start it w cards from that date moving forward. dont penalize cards that have been there damb near a year.
I really think I will be able to add some insight into this conversation in regards to 70's cards. I don't have your expereince with modern, but have seen many of your subs, and trust your experience and eye for grades. I've subbed at least a thousand 76's in the last 10-15 years. My gem rate is about 10% on cards I expect to gem. Like you said, I will submit a Nolan or Rose, Eck, etc. knowing it's "only" an 8. But, my rate at landing gems has consistently been a bit over 10%. My recent 76 sub was EASILY the nicest I've ever submitted, it was the nicest set of 80 I've ever seen. It's not even a remote question in my mind. I have 82 of them, so if I don't get at least 8 gems I will not only be bummed but also very skeptical of the way things are being handled at PSA. Fingers crossed for grades soon, and hoping I don't get a smack in the face with a similar situation, where apparently my eyes have deceived me.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
wishing and hoping for the best. i think i am in a unique position simply because of the amount of product i ripped and subs i have in. ive had some really good ones lately. but ive noticed well more than my fair share of head scratchers in here too. my overall gem or what i feel as successful percentage rate has dropped significantly. i trust your eye too, 76. i hope and pray yours comes back correctly. i honestly wish you had about 5 or so different subs in to get an overall consensus vs a coin flip on 1.
in the grand scheme of things, this sub is nothing monumental. however, what if it was the occasional subber that put his whole tyler run in for the year, ended up being delayed for months on end and then gets hit w this? would he be back? would he ever trust psa or the process again? i tend to think there are more of these types out there than those that hang out here. think back about the guy that had the pristine topps coins. man he was pissed. righfully so. and he had been subbing for years. whats worse to think is not being able to crack cards out anymore. and even if you could, how long before you actually could. and then...how much would it cost? $30? $50? and then...how long will it take before they get back? another year? two? all this on top of already paying $20 a pop and waiting a year to get these results? the fact that these cards could be tied forever to an unfair 9 assessment is just crazy to me. heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night. so its certainly happening. of course no official announcement about that grading change either. too many things going on to think about all the different avenues that could play out, really. its abundantly clear though that the goal posts have moved.on crackouts without notice. why would harsher grading standards be any different?
@blurryface
_ heard 3 more cases and requests for prior cert # of this happening last night._
curious, were those serial #'d modern cards?? any word if they have done that on regular issued stuff?
Tyler Herro ?
Maybe PSA is now taking in to consideration the skill level of the player when grading ? (sooooo kidding)
Someone like 'Tyler Herro' should only get a very sporadic 10 due to his lack of skills and early injuries. In turn, Mike Trout should get all 10s, even if the card is warped and melted, but in this current period of inactivity, he should get 5's max.
Now is this possibly the lamest input on card grading that has ever been conceived ?
i did not inquire knowing that before mine even happened it was confirmed that there was one done on a vintage card over the $5K level. i think it's more of a value thing vs a vintage/modern thing. of course, mine was done on a $500 modern card though. so really, who knows?
pretty sure it has to be of a card that was very recently submitted either way. i think cracking out anything prior, that isnt imaged in the data base when you run the cert #, should be good. dont hold me to it.
but this all leads back to the bigger picture. if there's a new rule out there, tell us for petes sake! it's hard to play by the rules when you dont know them! otherwise it's just a game of "you lose".
i wish psa would just hurry up and buy sgc out. relieve all the stress of finding and teaching new graders to practice on my cards. 😉
yeah. SGC = PSA east coast office. Put one in Southern IL. too!!
If this were my business I would go elsewhere, but since I am a card collector whose main focus is PSA graded cards this really stinks. There is no recourse. You cannot even speak to customer service. They have many unchecked incompetent graders or so it seems. All I ask for is consistency and you can’t get that. I sent one card in 3 different grades. PSA 7. Then PSA 6 then finally PSA 8
An 8 should never be confused with a 6 and vice-versa. (Maybe a 6 vs an 8 OC) The standards are so wildly different that it makes no sense how that could ever even happen. By PSA's definition "an 8 is a super high end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance". I have never seen a 6 and from arms length thought, boy, that looks like a 9. How incredibly frustrating! I've had 8's and 9's bump to 10's and 9's that I thought should bump get dropped to an 8 but a 6 is a materially different card from an 8, or at least should be.
I have always said. Publish graders names on every sub. Audit them for consistency. Then reassign or release those too strict or lenient. It is not that hard. Instead let’s alienate our entire customer base with our inability to be transparent about anything.
it doesnt last long. 😉
On another note, this express popped today and grades were right in line as expected. One card vintage and I guessed it was a 3 or 4, graded out at a 3.5.
Rec'd - 3/4/21
Logged - 4/13/21
Grading - 4/13/21
Assembly and QA1- 5/24/21
Grades Popped - 5/25/21
Shipped - 5/25/21
Certain parts of the process have indeed sped up. It wasn't too long ago that an order would be in QA1 or QA2 for a few weeks at a time. I know this is a one card order, but there are definitely improvements in the overall process.
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Dug up an old post of mine from 2004, about a submission from 2002. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
TOTAL ITEMS
25
DATE RECEIVED
12/10/2002
DATE SHIPPED
12/13/2002
1 1 90135557 MINT 9 1981 Topps 7 ERA Leaders R.May/D.Sutton Card
2 1 90135558 MINT 9 1981 Topps 23 Alex Trevino Card
3 1 90135559 MINT 9 1981 Topps 36 Ed Farmer Card
4 1 90135560 MINT 9 1981 Topps 47 Ken Brett Card
5 1 90135561 MINT 9 1981 Topps 51 Bill Robinson Card
6 1 90135562 MINT 9 1981 Topps 56 Buck Martinez Card
7 1 90135563 MINT 9 1981 Topps 63 Steve Renko Card
8 1 90135564 MINT 9 1981 Topps 67 Ken Kravec Card
9 1 90135565 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 69 Ed Halicki Card
10 1 90135566 MINT 9 1981 Topps 124 Jerry Garvin Card
11 1 90135567 MINT 9 1981 Topps 126 Charlie Leibrandt Card
12 1 90135568 MINT 9 1981 Topps 128 Gary Allenson Card
13 1 90135569 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 133 Jeff Cox Card
14 1 90135570 MINT 9 1981 Topps 138 Rich Dotson Card
15 1 90135571 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 199 Chuck Rainey Card
16 1 90135572 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 401 A.L. Championships Royals Sweep Yankees Card
17 1 90135573 MINT 9 1981 Topps 403 World Series Phillies Beat Royal in 6 Card
18 1 90135574 MINT 9 1981 Topps 450 Dave Kingman Card
19 1 90135575 MINT 9 1981 Topps 467 Dave Stieb Card
20 1 90135576 MINT 9 1981 Topps 535 Omar Moreno Card
21 1 90135577 MINT 9 PD 1981 Topps 545 Johnny Grubb Card
22 1 90135578 MINT 9 1981 Topps 645 Rick Reuschel Card
23 1 90135579 MINT 9 1981 Topps 655 Dan Driessen Card
24 1 90135580 MINT 9 1981 Topps 666 Tigers Team Card
25 1 90135581 MINT 9 1981 Topps 679 Dodgers Team Card
Currently collecting.....your guess is as good as mine.
With recent grading results, I'm hoping my orders don't get graded for a long time. Hopefully by then, the grading standards will be recalibrated to be in line with the published standards that have been in place for decades.
I recently had a ticket stub FLY through the grading process. Maybe tickets are handled differently than cards?? Meanwhile, my order from last June still sits and sits. The quarterly sub update has been sitting on August 9th for awhile.
I just saw this...
PSA no longer requires submitters to decide whether to request “No Qualifiers”, as characteristics such as Centering, Staining, Print Defects and Focus will default to impacting the numerical grade rather than carrying a qualifier. There are exceptions and we encourage collectors to review the updated policy on the PSA Grading Standards page.
On the grading standards page this is what it says:
In addition to a numerical grade, some PSA graded cards also carry a Qualifier to identify specific characteristics of the card. Following is a description of the six PSA qualifiers, 2 of which are required, and 4 that are optional.
So MK and MC are required qualifiers whereas the others are "optional". Wasn't that kind of always the case? And why do "OC, PD, OF" show as optional on the grading standards page but the above announcement says they will default to impacting the numerical grade. I feel like if you asked for NQ then if centering was for a 6 but you're card was a 9, you'd get a 6 or 6.5 whereas if you asked for qualifiers you would get a 9(OC).
Am I just reading this wrong?
My 76 grades just popped. Sent in July of last year, received in sep. I feel like an 18 year old again, with the possible acceptance letter to my top college of choice in my hand. Nervous to open it, lol. Here goes nothing... Will post grades later.
Jeff
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman