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  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:
    @blurryface d’oh hopefully soon. Seems like they are making a little progress but it seems like they pick one or two submission levels and focus on those for a day or two then pick something else for the next couple of days.

    i agree, youre right...progress is progress!

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    Here's the sub along with the grade I expected. What's funny is the Trout green prizm was the one card I was certain would gem. Go figure...

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 50446542 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Card (9)
    2 1 50446543 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Card (10)
    3 1 50446544 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Card (10)
    4 1 50446545 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 269 Zion Williamson Pink Camo Card (10) bought raw off ebay
    5 1 50446546 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 269 Zion Williamson Card(9) bought raw off ebay
    6 1 50446547 MINT 9 2019 Panini Mosaic 269 Zion Williamson Card (9) bought raw off ebay
    7 1 50446548 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Green Mosaic Card (10)
    8 1 50446549 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Pink Camo Card (10) bought raw off ebay
    9 1 50446550 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 209 Zion Williamson Reactive Orange Card (9) Bought raw off ebay
    10 1 50446551 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Card (9) (Cracked BGS 9)
    11 1 50446552 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 158 Zion Williamson Hyper Pink Card (9) Purchased raw off ebay
    12 1 50446553 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss 201 Zion Williamson Card (9)
    13 1 50446554 MINT 9 2019 Panini Donruss 201 Zion Williamson Card (9)
    14 1 50446555 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Revolution 101 Zion Williamson Card (8) Had some chipping but wanted it holdered
    15 1 50446556 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss 202 JA Morant Card (10)
    16 1 50446557 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 219 JA Morant Card (9)
    17 1 50446558 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Mosaic 219 JA Morant Pink Camo Card (10)
    18 1 50446559 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Revolution 102 JA Morant Card (9)
    19 1 50446560 GEM MINT 10 2020 Bowman Chrome Prospects BCP8 Jasson Dominguez Card (10)
    20 1 50446561 GEM MINT 10 2020 Bowman Paper Prospects BP8 Jasson Dominguez Card (10)
    21 1 50446562 MINT 9 2020 Panini Select 126 Mike Trout Neon Green Prizm Card (10)

    Overall, 66% gem rate and I expected a 47% rate. I hadn't graded anything in 10+ years so wasn't sure how the print lines were judged or the centering on these mosaic cards. Overall, I couldn't be much happier.

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    very, very nice. great eye on your raw purchases. its not easy at all to gem mosaic. same goes w those hyper pink optics.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    very, very nice. great eye on your raw purchases. its not easy at all to gem mosaic. same goes w those hyper pink optics.

    Thanks, I'm very pleased. can't believe the BGS 9 bumped or the raw ones off ebay made it. I left a BGS 9 blue reactive behind, kind of wishing I had sent that one in as well now.

  • weaselpuppyweaselpuppy Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    That is a monster sub for GEM rates on those products. Nice work

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:
    10 1 50446551 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Card (9) (Cracked BGS 9)

    Is that the one you said went to a 10?

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @nam812 said:

    @envoy982 said:
    10 1 50446551 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Card (9) (Cracked BGS 9)

    Is that the one you said went to a 10?

    Yes. Here’s the case I cracked it out of

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:

    @nam812 said:

    @envoy982 said:
    10 1 50446551 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Card (9) (Cracked BGS 9)

    Is that the one you said went to a 10?

    Yes. Here’s the case I cracked it out of.....

    I only asked because you had a bold 9 in parenthesis.

  • soxaddictsoxaddict Posts: 256 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    1 card, crossover attempt

    recvd: 2/24/21
    logged: 3/31/21
    popped: 4/28/21

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 MG: MINIMUM GRADE 1982 Wrestling All-Stars Series A 27 Ric Flair Card

    bgs 9.5 true gem. no surprise. had to give it the good ol college try though considering whats going it.

    Did you crack it out or send in the BGS holder?

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nam812 said:

    @envoy982 said:

    @nam812 said:

    @envoy982 said:
    10 1 50446551 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Card (9) (Cracked BGS 9)

    Is that the one you said went to a 10?

    Yes. Here’s the case I cracked it out of.....

    I only asked because you had a bold 9 in parenthesis.

    The numbers in parentheses are his expected grades.

  • OneDaysRideOneDaysRide Posts: 134 ✭✭✭

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @nam812 said:

    @envoy982 said:

    @nam812 said:

    @envoy982 said:
    10 1 50446551 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Card (9) (Cracked BGS 9)

    Is that the one you said went to a 10?

    Yes. Here’s the case I cracked it out of.....

    I only asked because you had a bold 9 in parenthesis.

    Since it had an 8.5 sub grade I expected/hoped for a 9. It looked really good and I wanted it in a PSA holder either way, as long as it didn’t drop to an 8 that is. Turned out to be a good gamble.

  • paleocardspaleocards Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭

    UPDATE

    Collectors Club Platinum renewal 15 "free" modern, manufacturer certified, baseball autos (card graded only) submitted, apparently, just under the gun (before PSA "sold-out" of these).

    Sent to PSA: 9/14/2020 (=7.5 months ago)
    Arrived at PSA: 9/18/2020
    Logged: 10/15/2020 (=6.5 months ago)
    "Arrived"/"Prep"/"Research & ID": 10/15/2020
    Grading: 11/13/2020 (=5.5 months ago)
    Assembly: 4/29/2021

    I couldn't believe my eyes when I noticed that my (only) order's status changed today...

  • My Sub entered 10-7-21 hit QA2 today.

  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭✭

    paleocards,
    You are giving me hope. My 15 card CC platinum renewal arrived at PSA on 9/17/2020 and was logged 10/17/2020. I did not track when it went to grading but was in November sometime. If I had known PSA would increase prices so much and shutdown new orders, I definitely would have found more valuable cards to send in with my CC submission. Ohh well, hindsight is always 20-20.

    Robb

  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got all excited when I saw that I had poppage until I saw that it was my mechanical error order. Unfortunately the new cert number is coming back invalid.

  • weaselpuppyweaselpuppy Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    @fergie23 said:
    paleocards,
    You are giving me hope. My 15 card CC platinum renewal arrived at PSA on 9/17/2020 and was logged 10/17/2020. I did not track when it went to grading but was in November sometime. If I had known PSA would increase prices so much and shutdown new orders, I definitely would have found more valuable cards to send in with my CC submission. Ohh well, hindsight is always 20-20.

    Robb

    Me also. About to try and jawbone them into reassigning my 14 CC vouchers that have been there since 9/21...they are listed as Economy, so what the hell...

  • paleocardspaleocards Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭

    Me also. About to try and jawbone them into reassigning my 14 CC vouchers that have been there since 9/21...they are listed as Economy, so what the hell...

    My 15 card CC sub is listed as "Economy" on My Orders page too...

  • jeffv96mastersjeffv96masters Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2021 8:52AM

    @envoy982 said:

    @blurryface d’oh hopefully soon. Seems like they are making a little progress but it seems like they pick one or two submission levels and focus on those for a day or two then pick something else for the next couple of days

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    Um yeah- no. Not the case

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  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @jeffv96masters - since March 11, out of 12 submission levels listed in the CTD graphic, only 5x have more than 5 levels moved at least a day ahead. Usually it is around 3. Over the last 7 days it has been 2 and 3 each day and usually different service levels.

    Hopefully you see some movement!

  • RoflesRofles Posts: 753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 card super express
    Shipped 4/26
    Arrived 4/27
    Entered ->grading 4/29
    Assembly 4/30

  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    got loggage on two value subs from 3/17 today. Skipped over the express sub from 3/15 though.

    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭

    @Bosox1976 me too, whats up with Express PSA??

  • 76collector76collector Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKESY25 said:
    @Bosox1976 me too, whats up with Express PSA??

    I apologize guys, It's probably me. Once my stuff gets logged it causes a disturbance in the force and everything seems to come to a halt.
    22196929 10546420 02/24/21 03/25/21 N/A See Details 1 Express

    I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid.
    Collecting:
    post world war II HOF rookie
    76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
    Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
    successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKESY25 said:
    @Bosox1976 me too, whats up with Express PSA??

    yep. 😉

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    3 card, express level.

    recvd: 2/23/21
    logged: 3/25/21
    popped: 4/30/21

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 57986629 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant Blue Prizm Card
    2 1 57986630 MINT 9 2011 Etopps 35 Mike Trout Card
    3 1 57986631 MINT 9 2019 Panini Fortnite 235 Skull Trooper Holofoil Card

    don't agree w/ anything about this sub. from the grades themselves to the time it took to get logged, then to pop. all 3 were 10s. then to go 0/3 and the blue ja pull an 8? nope. nope and nope.

  • RoflesRofles Posts: 753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 card super express
    Shipped 4/26
    Arrived 4/27
    Entered ->grading 4/29
    Assembly 4/30
    QA1 4/30

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface - 2 months for an express is absurd! At least if you have to wait it would be nice to be close on your pre-grades. Maybe the next one to pop will be better.

  • Those of you doing Super Express lately, how have your grades been relative to expectations?

  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like I spoke too soon. Express mentioned above was just entered.

    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2021 5:28PM

    @blurryface said:
    3 card, express level.

    recvd: 2/23/21
    logged: 3/25/21
    popped: 4/30/21

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 57986629 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant Blue Prizm Card
    2 1 57986630 MINT 9 2011 Etopps 35 Mike Trout Card
    3 1 57986631 MINT 9 2019 Panini Fortnite 235 Skull Trooper Holofoil Card

    don't agree w/ anything about this sub. from the grades themselves to the time it took to get logged, then to pop. all 3 were 10s. then to go 0/3 and the blue ja pull an 8? nope. nope and nope.

    PSA is simply struggling now. It is one thing to be expensive and slow but it is an entirely different beast to be inaccurate. How on earth can you of all people go from being a GEM MINT genius to a novice? I don't get it. Honestly, I would rather send to GMA these days than take my chances with PSA's poor performance. I'd prefer a GMA 10 to a PSA 8 (or worse). JMHO. Unfortunately, I still have 3 subs in holding....ugh.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    @soxaddict Great looking cards! is Montana F/S?

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.

  • sayheywyosayheywyo Posts: 490 ✭✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.

    That's a great way to get rid the collector base that built the foundation of the company. Make it an all inclusive Goldin high end only club and charge maybe $500 and change for membership. just saying.........

  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    7 card economy that > @blurryface said:

    sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.

    Well that changes a lot. I am shifting more to buying cards already slabbed. This really hurts my collecting of graded player runs.

    Looking for FB HOF Rookies
  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2021 7:43AM

    Well, my business with PSA will be over. I am going to look for a more viable option. At $50 a pop, most of the cards that I collect won't be worth the price of having them graded. I am sure Mr. "Taking my Hacks" could not care less but that is going to be the only recourse for many collectors. It's a shame. Plus, PSA's grading has been downright slow and shoddy to put it modestly.

  • Geoff76Geoff76 Posts: 163 ✭✭✭

    Without any reasonable pricing the registrants from the mid 70s to the early 80s can just pack up and go home.

    I had the exact same thought. I have some cards in the 1975-1992 range I’d like to submit but won’t bother if $50/card is the floor.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 370 ✭✭✭

    I recently decided to start up the HOF football set again. I’ve been picking up sets to get the HOF rc’s and picking up singles to grade. There are a lot of cards in that set that are not worth anywhere near a $50 grading fee. I remember in the mid-2000’s I was sending in 100+ cards on $4 bulk deals. If the new floor is $50 I’ll have to rethink my strategy. Maybe they’ll continue to offer some innovative specials that will keep the registry guys interested and engaged. And maybe it’s a hybrid model where you have the premium tiers and get a turnaround estimate vs an “I can wait” model like SGC implemented.

  • soxaddictsoxaddict Posts: 256 ✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:
    @soxaddict Great looking cards! is Montana F/S?

    Thanks! The Joe is possibly for sale. Shoot me a PM.

  • soxaddictsoxaddict Posts: 256 ✭✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.

    If that’s the case, the set registry will be a thing of the past. $50 per card is laughable. Hell, I won’t pay over $10 per card to get a $1 card graded.

  • FrozencaribouFrozencaribou Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the Griffey 1989 rookies are trending lower now, before the presumed massive influx of 1989 Griffey’s have been graded and returned to their owners, what will happen in the next 6-9 months for his psa 10’s and the marketplace that they will be entering.

    That’s one player and one sport and one collecting niche, but it does make one wonder what the attitude will be for all those customers who missed a long selling window due to turnaround times.

    No doubt, it’s been a banner year for PSA and all of us that have cards swept up in the boom.

    It will be interesting to see how we all fare as millions of graded cards come into the marketplace perhaps six months too late.

  • My 2 card express order was logged as arrived on 3/15. No action since then. I am with the others who have said maybe they will give GMA a shot. Some of the cards I get graded are for resale and PSA is the best for that - but many are just to protect in the case and have for my collection.

  • weaselpuppyweaselpuppy Posts: 218 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2021 7:39PM

    No poppage.

  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Frozencaribou said:
    If the Griffey 1989 rookies are trending lower now, before the presumed massive influx of 1989 Griffey’s have been graded and returned to their owners, what will happen in the next 6-9 months for his psa 10’s and the marketplace that they will be entering.

    That’s one player and one sport and one collecting niche, but it does make one wonder what the attitude will be for all those customers who missed a long selling window due to turnaround times.

    No doubt, it’s been a banner year for PSA and all of us that have cards swept up in the boom.

    It will be interesting to see how we all fare as millions of graded cards come into the marketplace perhaps six months too late.

    with the quasi-shutdown and perhaps churning out the backlog quicker, i would also add “hitting the market at the same time”. if they grade and return 10k of “player a” in july whereas the market was only absorbing 5k cards per month of said player, its pretty easy to understand what will happen to prices.

  • weaselpuppyweaselpuppy Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    @paleocards said:
    UPDATE

    Collectors Club Platinum renewal 15 "free" modern, manufacturer certified, baseball autos (card graded only) submitted, apparently, just under the gun (before PSA "sold-out" of these).

    Sent to PSA: 9/14/2020 (=7.5 months ago)
    Arrived at PSA: 9/18/2020
    Logged: 10/15/2020 (=6.5 months ago)
    "Arrived"/"Prep"/"Research & ID": 10/15/2020
    Grading: 11/13/2020 (=5.5 months ago)
    Assembly: 4/29/2021

    I couldn't believe my eyes when I noticed that my (only) order's status changed today...

    Congrats. I am jealous. Mailed late August.
    "Arrived " Logged
    09/22/20 10/21/20 N/A See Details 14 Economy ( but actually 14 CC Vouchers. Platinum Member!

    Still grading, 12 are ultra modern Tatis, Robert, Zion Ja base and color paralell rookies - Optic, Chrome etc....stuff they've seen tens of thousands of by now. Also bench rookie and Morgan rookie....

    Le Sigh.

  • TronTron Posts: 64 ✭✭

    @blurryface said:
    sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.

    I don't think they can handle the volume that comes in when they are priced at anything less frankly...based on how little they've caught up w relatively few orders still trickling in is what I'm basing that on. If things get slow they'll simply run specials that appeal to the many who were dormant. I don't think they've been able to find graders beyond their core staff because they would have been able to cover far more ground after a month than this virtual standstill state that it's currently struggling to get ahead of. No specials equal no memberships because the voucher being at such a long turnaround time won't sell them alone like it did before...which would be a big contributing factor for making the cost of economy $50. It would make the pitch of savings theoretically an easy sell ($500 value (10 card voucher instead of 15) for only $299!) but I have my doubts that it would be received that way

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