@envoy982 said:
10 1 50446551 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 248 Zion Williamson Card (9) (Cracked BGS 9)
Is that the one you said went to a 10?
Yes. Here’s the case I cracked it out of.....
I only asked because you had a bold 9 in parenthesis.
Since it had an 8.5 sub grade I expected/hoped for a 9. It looked really good and I wanted it in a PSA holder either way, as long as it didn’t drop to an 8 that is. Turned out to be a good gamble.
Collectors Club Platinum renewal 15 "free" modern, manufacturer certified, baseball autos (card graded only) submitted, apparently, just under the gun (before PSA "sold-out" of these).
Sent to PSA: 9/14/2020 (=7.5 months ago)
Arrived at PSA: 9/18/2020
Logged: 10/15/2020 (=6.5 months ago)
"Arrived"/"Prep"/"Research & ID": 10/15/2020
Grading: 11/13/2020 (=5.5 months ago) Assembly: 4/29/2021
I couldn't believe my eyes when I noticed that my (only) order's status changed today...
paleocards,
You are giving me hope. My 15 card CC platinum renewal arrived at PSA on 9/17/2020 and was logged 10/17/2020. I did not track when it went to grading but was in November sometime. If I had known PSA would increase prices so much and shutdown new orders, I definitely would have found more valuable cards to send in with my CC submission. Ohh well, hindsight is always 20-20.
I got all excited when I saw that I had poppage until I saw that it was my mechanical error order. Unfortunately the new cert number is coming back invalid.
@fergie23 said:
paleocards,
You are giving me hope. My 15 card CC platinum renewal arrived at PSA on 9/17/2020 and was logged 10/17/2020. I did not track when it went to grading but was in November sometime. If I had known PSA would increase prices so much and shutdown new orders, I definitely would have found more valuable cards to send in with my CC submission. Ohh well, hindsight is always 20-20.
Robb
Me also. About to try and jawbone them into reassigning my 14 CC vouchers that have been there since 9/21...they are listed as Economy, so what the hell...
Me also. About to try and jawbone them into reassigning my 14 CC vouchers that have been there since 9/21...they are listed as Economy, so what the hell...
My 15 card CC sub is listed as "Economy" on My Orders page too...
@blurryface d’oh hopefully soon. Seems like they are making a little progress but it seems like they pick one or two submission levels and focus on those for a day or two then pick something else for the next couple of days
@jeffv96masters - since March 11, out of 12 submission levels listed in the CTD graphic, only 5x have more than 5 levels moved at least a day ahead. Usually it is around 3. Over the last 7 days it has been 2 and 3 each day and usually different service levels.
I apologize guys, It's probably me. Once my stuff gets logged it causes a disturbance in the force and everything seems to come to a halt.
22196929 10546420 02/24/21 03/25/21 N/A See Details 1 Express
I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. Collecting: post world war II HOF rookie 76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals) successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 57986629 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant Blue Prizm Card
2 1 57986630 MINT 9 2011 Etopps 35 Mike Trout Card
3 1 57986631 MINT 9 2019 Panini Fortnite 235 Skull Trooper Holofoil Card
don't agree w/ anything about this sub. from the grades themselves to the time it took to get logged, then to pop. all 3 were 10s. then to go 0/3 and the blue ja pull an 8? nope. nope and nope.
@blurryface - 2 months for an express is absurd! At least if you have to wait it would be nice to be close on your pre-grades. Maybe the next one to pop will be better.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 57986629 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant Blue Prizm Card
2 1 57986630 MINT 9 2011 Etopps 35 Mike Trout Card
3 1 57986631 MINT 9 2019 Panini Fortnite 235 Skull Trooper Holofoil Card
don't agree w/ anything about this sub. from the grades themselves to the time it took to get logged, then to pop. all 3 were 10s. then to go 0/3 and the blue ja pull an 8? nope. nope and nope.
PSA is simply struggling now. It is one thing to be expensive and slow but it is an entirely different beast to be inaccurate. How on earth can you of all people go from being a GEM MINT genius to a novice? I don't get it. Honestly, I would rather send to GMA these days than take my chances with PSA's poor performance. I'd prefer a GMA 10 to a PSA 8 (or worse). JMHO. Unfortunately, I still have 3 subs in holding....ugh.
@blurryface said:
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
That's a great way to get rid the collector base that built the foundation of the company. Make it an all inclusive Goldin high end only club and charge maybe $500 and change for membership. just saying.........
@blurryface said:
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
If that is the case (and I am not saying that it wont be) then I would think that they would need reasonable bulk and/or reasonable monthly specials to accommodate a huge portion of the vintage registry (think sharp potential 8s from the 60s and 8s and 9s from the early 70s).
Without any reasonable pricing the registrants from the mid 70s to the early 80s can just pack up and go home.
I bolded reasonable because if $50 economy is the new floor and they run $20 or $25 bulk/monthly specials, that will not attract the audiences I mentioned above.
Well, my business with PSA will be over. I am going to look for a more viable option. At $50 a pop, most of the cards that I collect won't be worth the price of having them graded. I am sure Mr. "Taking my Hacks" could not care less but that is going to be the only recourse for many collectors. It's a shame. Plus, PSA's grading has been downright slow and shoddy to put it modestly.
I recently decided to start up the HOF football set again. I’ve been picking up sets to get the HOF rc’s and picking up singles to grade. There are a lot of cards in that set that are not worth anywhere near a $50 grading fee. I remember in the mid-2000’s I was sending in 100+ cards on $4 bulk deals. If the new floor is $50 I’ll have to rethink my strategy. Maybe they’ll continue to offer some innovative specials that will keep the registry guys interested and engaged. And maybe it’s a hybrid model where you have the premium tiers and get a turnaround estimate vs an “I can wait” model like SGC implemented.
@blurryface said:
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
If that’s the case, the set registry will be a thing of the past. $50 per card is laughable. Hell, I won’t pay over $10 per card to get a $1 card graded.
If the Griffey 1989 rookies are trending lower now, before the presumed massive influx of 1989 Griffey’s have been graded and returned to their owners, what will happen in the next 6-9 months for his psa 10’s and the marketplace that they will be entering.
That’s one player and one sport and one collecting niche, but it does make one wonder what the attitude will be for all those customers who missed a long selling window due to turnaround times.
No doubt, it’s been a banner year for PSA and all of us that have cards swept up in the boom.
It will be interesting to see how we all fare as millions of graded cards come into the marketplace perhaps six months too late.
My 2 card express order was logged as arrived on 3/15. No action since then. I am with the others who have said maybe they will give GMA a shot. Some of the cards I get graded are for resale and PSA is the best for that - but many are just to protect in the case and have for my collection.
@Frozencaribou said:
If the Griffey 1989 rookies are trending lower now, before the presumed massive influx of 1989 Griffey’s have been graded and returned to their owners, what will happen in the next 6-9 months for his psa 10’s and the marketplace that they will be entering.
That’s one player and one sport and one collecting niche, but it does make one wonder what the attitude will be for all those customers who missed a long selling window due to turnaround times.
No doubt, it’s been a banner year for PSA and all of us that have cards swept up in the boom.
It will be interesting to see how we all fare as millions of graded cards come into the marketplace perhaps six months too late.
with the quasi-shutdown and perhaps churning out the backlog quicker, i would also add “hitting the market at the same time”. if they grade and return 10k of “player a” in july whereas the market was only absorbing 5k cards per month of said player, its pretty easy to understand what will happen to prices.
Collectors Club Platinum renewal 15 "free" modern, manufacturer certified, baseball autos (card graded only) submitted, apparently, just under the gun (before PSA "sold-out" of these).
Sent to PSA: 9/14/2020 (=7.5 months ago)
Arrived at PSA: 9/18/2020
Logged: 10/15/2020 (=6.5 months ago)
"Arrived"/"Prep"/"Research & ID": 10/15/2020
Grading: 11/13/2020 (=5.5 months ago) Assembly: 4/29/2021
I couldn't believe my eyes when I noticed that my (only) order's status changed today...
Congrats. I am jealous. Mailed late August.
"Arrived " Logged
09/22/20 10/21/20 N/A See Details 14 Economy ( but actually 14 CC Vouchers. Platinum Member!
Still grading, 12 are ultra modern Tatis, Robert, Zion Ja base and color paralell rookies - Optic, Chrome etc....stuff they've seen tens of thousands of by now. Also bench rookie and Morgan rookie....
@blurryface said:
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
I don't think they can handle the volume that comes in when they are priced at anything less frankly...based on how little they've caught up w relatively few orders still trickling in is what I'm basing that on. If things get slow they'll simply run specials that appeal to the many who were dormant. I don't think they've been able to find graders beyond their core staff because they would have been able to cover far more ground after a month than this virtual standstill state that it's currently struggling to get ahead of. No specials equal no memberships because the voucher being at such a long turnaround time won't sell them alone like it did before...which would be a big contributing factor for making the cost of economy $50. It would make the pitch of savings theoretically an easy sell ($500 value (10 card voucher instead of 15) for only $299!) but I have my doubts that it would be received that way
@blurryface said:
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
I don't think they can handle the volume that comes in when they are priced at anything less frankly...based on how little they've caught up w relatively few orders still trickling in is what I'm basing that on. If things get slow they'll simply run specials that appeal to the many who were dormant. I don't think they've been able to find graders beyond their core staff because they would have been able to cover far more ground after a month than this virtual standstill state that it's currently struggling to get ahead of. No specials equal no memberships because the voucher being at such a long turnaround time won't sell them alone like it did before...which would be a big contributing factor for making the cost of economy $50. It would make the pitch of savings theoretically an easy sell ($500 value (10 card voucher instead of 15) for only $299!) but I have my doubts that it would be received that way
I agree with you in logic and with regard to current premise; however PSA is basically going to be turning their backs on a sizable group of submitters who have significantly helped make them successful over the past several decades. Plus, they are no longer consistent nor accurate these days. $50 for any card? No thanks. It is simply not a remotely reasonable option for a 77 Topps Toby Harrah.
you won't get any rebuttal from me...I think there's a better/more profitable angle to take personally because of the blatant disregard of what built the foundation as you mentioned. Not much loyalty these days unfortunately so it's common to see the willingness to sacrifice regulars in lieu of greed for lack of desire in sugarcoating. I believe its publicly traded stock now so w that you welcome influences that won't necessarily benefit the customer base of any kind, so as long as it bumps the stock a fraction of a percent...welcome to the era of "scrap the cust service dept" because in case you haven't noticed there just aren't any anymore...and for those remaining they're trained to put you through a meat grinder for hours just to get ultimately hung up on i.e. AT&T
@Tron said:
you won't get any rebuttal from me...I think there's a better/more profitable angle to take personally because of the blatant disregard of what built the foundation as you mentioned. Not much loyalty these days unfortunately so it's common to see the willingness to sacrifice regulars in lieu of greed for lack of desire in sugarcoating. I believe its publicly traded stock now so w that you welcome influences that won't necessarily benefit the customer base of any kind, so as long as it bumps the stock a fraction of a percent...welcome to the era of "scrap the cust service dept" because in case you haven't noticed there just aren't any anymore...and for those remaining they're trained to put you through a meat grinder for hours just to get ultimately hung up on i.e. AT&T
Thank you for an honest, well-stated reply and I am SO glad you didn't take my response as a personal attack. Very refreshing!!!!!!!
@Tron said:
you won't get any rebuttal from me...I think there's a better/more profitable angle to take personally because of the blatant disregard of what built the foundation as you mentioned. Not much loyalty these days unfortunately so it's common to see the willingness to sacrifice regulars in lieu of greed for lack of desire in sugarcoating. I believe its publicly traded stock now so w that you welcome influences that won't necessarily benefit the customer base of any kind, so as long as it bumps the stock a fraction of a percent...welcome to the era of "scrap the cust service dept" because in case you haven't noticed there just aren't any anymore...and for those remaining they're trained to put you through a meat grinder for hours just to get ultimately hung up on i.e. AT&T
you realize they just went from being a publicly traded company to a private company, right?
@Tron said:
you won't get any rebuttal from me...I think there's a better/more profitable angle to take personally because of the blatant disregard of what built the foundation as you mentioned. Not much loyalty these days unfortunately so it's common to see the willingness to sacrifice regulars in lieu of greed for lack of desire in sugarcoating. I believe its publicly traded stock now so w that you welcome influences that won't necessarily benefit the customer base of any kind, so as long as it bumps the stock a fraction of a percent...welcome to the era of "scrap the cust service dept" because in case you haven't noticed there just aren't any anymore...and for those remaining they're trained to put you through a meat grinder for hours just to get ultimately hung up on i.e. AT&T
you realize they just went from being a publicly traded company to a private company, right?
yes. That was not really acknowledged nor the point. Sorry. However, it is still unethical to change the rules midstream. Profitable? short-term for sure. And, **my money **still spends where I choose to spend it. At the long, long, end of the day, it is ALWAYS a buyer's market. We will see, I suppose. Still, it feels like a royal F U from "taking my hacks." He is completely out of touch with the collector. He knows the investor well.
@Tron said:
you won't get any rebuttal from me...I think there's a better/more profitable angle to take personally because of the blatant disregard of what built the foundation as you mentioned. Not much loyalty these days unfortunately so it's common to see the willingness to sacrifice regulars in lieu of greed for lack of desire in sugarcoating. I believe its publicly traded stock now so w that you welcome influences that won't necessarily benefit the customer base of any kind, so as long as it bumps the stock a fraction of a percent...welcome to the era of "scrap the cust service dept" because in case you haven't noticed there just aren't any anymore...and for those remaining they're trained to put you through a meat grinder for hours just to get ultimately hung up on i.e. AT&T
you realize they just went from being a publicly traded company to a private company, right?
yes. That was not really acknowledged nor the point. Sorry. However, it is still unethical to change the rules midstream. Profitable? short-term for sure. And, **my money **still spends where I choose to spend it. At the long, long, end of the day, it is ALWAYS a buyer's market. We will see, I suppose. Still, it feels like a royal F U from "taking my hacks." He is completely out of touch with the collector. He knows the investor well.
@Tron said:
you won't get any rebuttal from me...I think there's a better/more profitable angle to take personally because of the blatant disregard of what built the foundation as you mentioned. Not much loyalty these days unfortunately so it's common to see the willingness to sacrifice regulars in lieu of greed for lack of desire in sugarcoating. I believe its publicly traded stock now so w that you welcome influences that won't necessarily benefit the customer base of any kind, so as long as it bumps the stock a fraction of a percent...welcome to the era of "scrap the cust service dept" because in case you haven't noticed there just aren't any anymore...and for those remaining they're trained to put you through a meat grinder for hours just to get ultimately hung up on i.e. AT&T
you realize they just went from being a publicly traded company to a private company, right?
yes. That was not really acknowledged nor the point. Sorry. However, it is still unethical to change the rules midstream. Profitable? short-term for sure. And, **my money **still spends where I choose to spend it. At the long, long, end of the day, it is ALWAYS a buyer's market. We will see, I suppose. Still, it feels like a royal F U from "taking my hacks." He is completely out of touch with the collector. He knows the investor well.
i was quoting tron! 😉
Sorry my man. I am on your side 99% of the time. Bobby
My brother and I joke all the time that card collectors are addicts. We are addicts. Lol. PSA will run specials,,,I'm sure of it. Probably not right away because they have millions of cards basically falling out of the building. At $50 per card they are trying to thin things out a bit at the moment. If they stuck with only $50 they would be out of business. To keep the registry going they will have to run specials that are for specific years. I can't even man up at over $7-$8 for things like 72 commons that are NM-MT because in many cases they're only worth $6 or so. Same for 73, 74,75,76 and even worse for later years. PSA has lot of great challenges ahead of them. It's all about the way they conduct their business from this point forward. Someone needs to figure out the barcode and how to enter and grade the subs in some kind of orderly fashion. Hearing of bulk entered before EXPRESS is a breakdown in the system. A failure in that regard. I'm assuming ownership will look into this. What does PSA do when their local USPS can't handle the volume...????? I mean that is a completely different problem all of it's own. PSA needs an East coast office that can grade cards. One where graders and other employees can work and live in the area. Don't open a facility in Beverly Hills, Paris, Miami Beach....etc.
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The numbers in parentheses are his expected grades.
Since it had an 8.5 sub grade I expected/hoped for a 9. It looked really good and I wanted it in a PSA holder either way, as long as it didn’t drop to an 8 that is. Turned out to be a good gamble.
UPDATE
Collectors Club Platinum renewal 15 "free" modern, manufacturer certified, baseball autos (card graded only) submitted, apparently, just under the gun (before PSA "sold-out" of these).
Sent to PSA: 9/14/2020 (=7.5 months ago)
Arrived at PSA: 9/18/2020
Logged: 10/15/2020 (=6.5 months ago)
"Arrived"/"Prep"/"Research & ID": 10/15/2020
Grading: 11/13/2020 (=5.5 months ago)
Assembly: 4/29/2021
I couldn't believe my eyes when I noticed that my (only) order's status changed today...
My Sub entered 10-7-21 hit QA2 today.
paleocards,
You are giving me hope. My 15 card CC platinum renewal arrived at PSA on 9/17/2020 and was logged 10/17/2020. I did not track when it went to grading but was in November sometime. If I had known PSA would increase prices so much and shutdown new orders, I definitely would have found more valuable cards to send in with my CC submission. Ohh well, hindsight is always 20-20.
Robb
I got all excited when I saw that I had poppage until I saw that it was my mechanical error order. Unfortunately the new cert number is coming back invalid.
Finally had a 15-card CC Renewal Pop today...
Received: 9/4/20
Logged: 10/1/20
Popped: 4/29/21
1 1 50291349 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 Topps Tiffany 320 Barry Bonds Card
2 1 50291350 MINT 9 1989 Upper Deck 1 Ken Griffey Jr. Star Rookie Card
3 1 50291351 MINT 9 2001 Topps 726 Ichiro Suzuki Home Team Advantage Card
4 1 50291352 GEM MINT 10 2004 Bowman Chrome 301 Yadier Molina Card
5 1 50291353 MINT 9 1988 Kenner Starting Line-Up Scottie Pippen Card
6 1 50291354 GEM MINT 10 1992 Topps 362 Shaquille O'Neal Card
7 1 50291355 GEM MINT 10 1992 Ultra Rejectors 4 Shaquille O'Neal Card
8 1 50291356 GEM MINT 10 1992 Ultra Rejectors 4 Shaquille O'Neal Card
9 1 50291357 GEM MINT 10 2005 SPx SPxcitement Veterans XCV6 LeBron James Card
10 1 50291358 GEM MINT 10 2012 Panini Past & Present 172 Klay Thompson Card
11 1 50291359 MINT 9 2000 Skybox Dominion 234 Tom Brady/Giovanni Carmazzi Card
12 1 50291360 GEM MINT 10 2000 Skybox Dominion 234 Tom Brady/Giovanni Carmazzi Card
13 1 50291361 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2001 Bowman 164 Drew Brees Card
14 1 50291362 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2001 Pacific Vanguard Prime Prospects 28 Drew Brees Silver Card
15 1 50291363 MINT 9 2001 Topps 328 Drew Brees Card
I'm pretty happy with the results... still waiting for a 316-card Value sub sent at the same time.
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Me also. About to try and jawbone them into reassigning my 14 CC vouchers that have been there since 9/21...they are listed as Economy, so what the hell...
My 15 card CC sub is listed as "Economy" on My Orders page too...
@blurryface d’oh hopefully soon. Seems like they are making a little progress but it seems like they pick one or two submission levels and focus on those for a day or two then pick something else for the next couple of days
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@jeffv96masters - since March 11, out of 12 submission levels listed in the CTD graphic, only 5x have more than 5 levels moved at least a day ahead. Usually it is around 3. Over the last 7 days it has been 2 and 3 each day and usually different service levels.
Hopefully you see some movement!
1 card super express
Shipped 4/26
Arrived 4/27
Entered ->grading 4/29
Assembly 4/30
got loggage on two value subs from 3/17 today. Skipped over the express sub from 3/15 though.
Bosox1976
@Bosox1976 me too, whats up with Express PSA??
I apologize guys, It's probably me. Once my stuff gets logged it causes a disturbance in the force and everything seems to come to a halt.
22196929 10546420 02/24/21 03/25/21 N/A See Details 1 Express
Collecting:
post world war II HOF rookie
76 topps gem mint 10 commons 9 stars
Arenado purple refractors(Rockies) Red (Cardinals)
successful deals with Keevan, Grote15, 1954, mbogoman
yep. 😉
3 card, express level.
recvd: 2/23/21
logged: 3/25/21
popped: 4/30/21
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 57986629 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2019 Panini Prizm 249 JA Morant Blue Prizm Card
2 1 57986630 MINT 9 2011 Etopps 35 Mike Trout Card
3 1 57986631 MINT 9 2019 Panini Fortnite 235 Skull Trooper Holofoil Card
don't agree w/ anything about this sub. from the grades themselves to the time it took to get logged, then to pop. all 3 were 10s. then to go 0/3 and the blue ja pull an 8? nope. nope and nope.
1 card super express
Shipped 4/26
Arrived 4/27
Entered ->grading 4/29
Assembly 4/30
QA1 4/30
@blurryface - 2 months for an express is absurd! At least if you have to wait it would be nice to be close on your pre-grades. Maybe the next one to pop will be better.
Those of you doing Super Express lately, how have your grades been relative to expectations?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/192963159@N06/albums
Looks like I spoke too soon. Express mentioned above was just entered.
Bosox1976
PSA is simply struggling now. It is one thing to be expensive and slow but it is an entirely different beast to be inaccurate. How on earth can you of all people go from being a GEM MINT genius to a novice? I don't get it. Honestly, I would rather send to GMA these days than take my chances with PSA's poor performance. I'd prefer a GMA 10 to a PSA 8 (or worse). JMHO. Unfortunately, I still have 3 subs in holding....ugh.
Order # Submission # Arrived Entered Shipped Status Items Service
22148165 10501513 02/13/21 02/26/21 04/28/21 Delivered 5 Regular
@soxaddict Great looking cards! is Montana F/S?
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
@blurryface said:
sources indicate $50 economy is the new floor once put back in place.
That's a great way to get rid the collector base that built the foundation of the company. Make it an all inclusive Goldin high end only club and charge maybe $500 and change for membership. just saying.........
7 card economy that > @blurryface said:
Well that changes a lot. I am shifting more to buying cards already slabbed. This really hurts my collecting of graded player runs.
If that is the case (and I am not saying that it wont be) then I would think that they would need reasonable bulk and/or reasonable monthly specials to accommodate a huge portion of the vintage registry (think sharp potential 8s from the 60s and 8s and 9s from the early 70s).
Without any reasonable pricing the registrants from the mid 70s to the early 80s can just pack up and go home.
I bolded reasonable because if $50 economy is the new floor and they run $20 or $25 bulk/monthly specials, that will not attract the audiences I mentioned above.
Well, my business with PSA will be over. I am going to look for a more viable option. At $50 a pop, most of the cards that I collect won't be worth the price of having them graded. I am sure Mr. "Taking my Hacks" could not care less but that is going to be the only recourse for many collectors. It's a shame. Plus, PSA's grading has been downright slow and shoddy to put it modestly.
I had the exact same thought. I have some cards in the 1975-1992 range I’d like to submit but won’t bother if $50/card is the floor.
I recently decided to start up the HOF football set again. I’ve been picking up sets to get the HOF rc’s and picking up singles to grade. There are a lot of cards in that set that are not worth anywhere near a $50 grading fee. I remember in the mid-2000’s I was sending in 100+ cards on $4 bulk deals. If the new floor is $50 I’ll have to rethink my strategy. Maybe they’ll continue to offer some innovative specials that will keep the registry guys interested and engaged. And maybe it’s a hybrid model where you have the premium tiers and get a turnaround estimate vs an “I can wait” model like SGC implemented.
Thanks! The Joe is possibly for sale. Shoot me a PM.
If that’s the case, the set registry will be a thing of the past. $50 per card is laughable. Hell, I won’t pay over $10 per card to get a $1 card graded.
i'm positive there will be quarterly deals and vintage specials. learned a longtime ago, it's just as important to notice what "wasn't said".
if they keep up w this grading harshness, timelines and inaccuracy, even at $20/ card seems too much.
If the Griffey 1989 rookies are trending lower now, before the presumed massive influx of 1989 Griffey’s have been graded and returned to their owners, what will happen in the next 6-9 months for his psa 10’s and the marketplace that they will be entering.
That’s one player and one sport and one collecting niche, but it does make one wonder what the attitude will be for all those customers who missed a long selling window due to turnaround times.
No doubt, it’s been a banner year for PSA and all of us that have cards swept up in the boom.
It will be interesting to see how we all fare as millions of graded cards come into the marketplace perhaps six months too late.
My 2 card express order was logged as arrived on 3/15. No action since then. I am with the others who have said maybe they will give GMA a shot. Some of the cards I get graded are for resale and PSA is the best for that - but many are just to protect in the case and have for my collection.
No poppage.
with the quasi-shutdown and perhaps churning out the backlog quicker, i would also add “hitting the market at the same time”. if they grade and return 10k of “player a” in july whereas the market was only absorbing 5k cards per month of said player, its pretty easy to understand what will happen to prices.
Congrats. I am jealous. Mailed late August.
"Arrived " Logged
09/22/20 10/21/20 N/A See Details 14 Economy ( but actually 14 CC Vouchers. Platinum Member!
Still grading, 12 are ultra modern Tatis, Robert, Zion Ja base and color paralell rookies - Optic, Chrome etc....stuff they've seen tens of thousands of by now. Also bench rookie and Morgan rookie....
Le Sigh.
I don't think they can handle the volume that comes in when they are priced at anything less frankly...based on how little they've caught up w relatively few orders still trickling in is what I'm basing that on. If things get slow they'll simply run specials that appeal to the many who were dormant. I don't think they've been able to find graders beyond their core staff because they would have been able to cover far more ground after a month than this virtual standstill state that it's currently struggling to get ahead of. No specials equal no memberships because the voucher being at such a long turnaround time won't sell them alone like it did before...which would be a big contributing factor for making the cost of economy $50. It would make the pitch of savings theoretically an easy sell ($500 value (10 card voucher instead of 15) for only $299!) but I have my doubts that it would be received that way
I agree with you in logic and with regard to current premise; however PSA is basically going to be turning their backs on a sizable group of submitters who have significantly helped make them successful over the past several decades. Plus, they are no longer consistent nor accurate these days. $50 for any card? No thanks. It is simply not a remotely reasonable option for a 77 Topps Toby Harrah.
you won't get any rebuttal from me...I think there's a better/more profitable angle to take personally because of the blatant disregard of what built the foundation as you mentioned. Not much loyalty these days unfortunately so it's common to see the willingness to sacrifice regulars in lieu of greed for lack of desire in sugarcoating. I believe its publicly traded stock now so w that you welcome influences that won't necessarily benefit the customer base of any kind, so as long as it bumps the stock a fraction of a percent...welcome to the era of "scrap the cust service dept" because in case you haven't noticed there just aren't any anymore...and for those remaining they're trained to put you through a meat grinder for hours just to get ultimately hung up on i.e. AT&T
Thank you for an honest, well-stated reply and I am SO glad you didn't take my response as a personal attack. Very refreshing!!!!!!!
you realize they just went from being a publicly traded company to a private company, right?
yes. That was not really acknowledged nor the point. Sorry. However, it is still unethical to change the rules midstream. Profitable? short-term for sure. And, **my money **still spends where I choose to spend it. At the long, long, end of the day, it is ALWAYS a buyer's market. We will see, I suppose. Still, it feels like a royal F U from "taking my hacks." He is completely out of touch with the collector. He knows the investor well.
i was quoting tron! 😉
Sorry my man. I am on your side 99% of the time. Bobby
I had a 50/50 chance on that one lol...or as in The Anchor "50% of the time...every time"
My brother and I joke all the time that card collectors are addicts. We are addicts. Lol. PSA will run specials,,,I'm sure of it. Probably not right away because they have millions of cards basically falling out of the building. At $50 per card they are trying to thin things out a bit at the moment. If they stuck with only $50 they would be out of business. To keep the registry going they will have to run specials that are for specific years. I can't even man up at over $7-$8 for things like 72 commons that are NM-MT because in many cases they're only worth $6 or so. Same for 73, 74,75,76 and even worse for later years. PSA has lot of great challenges ahead of them. It's all about the way they conduct their business from this point forward. Someone needs to figure out the barcode and how to enter and grade the subs in some kind of orderly fashion. Hearing of bulk entered before EXPRESS is a breakdown in the system. A failure in that regard. I'm assuming ownership will look into this. What does PSA do when their local USPS can't handle the volume...????? I mean that is a completely different problem all of it's own. PSA needs an East coast office that can grade cards. One where graders and other employees can work and live in the area. Don't open a facility in Beverly Hills, Paris, Miami Beach....etc.