Those are some pretty awful stories about how outlaws can operate against the law. If paypal or ebay allowed many of these frauds their business model would be under serious jeopardy.
Sold a tablet on eBay and the buyer months later said they didn't purchase it (I had signature delivery saying they did.) Had my $ locked up for a few months then got it back. Annoying to say the least.
I just won a claim through Paypal that I had to file on this same person. I paid, seller never shipped and I had to file to get refund. He is operating under another name as I write in the BST forum. This is why I say no Paypal gift payment ever!! I was glad I used regular Paypal.
People like this crusty frog will never go away. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a non-functional alcoholic or junkie. You did life wrong when you need to steal from people who did things right.
Isn't there stuff that can get piled on this guy? Like misrepresentation of bullion items crossing state lines or some odd commerce law I know nothing of? Altering shipping labels? Using the USPS to knowingly defraud (a business, individual, or elderly) using government property (library computer) to commit a felony or something? It's hard to believe he's still floating around, untouched.
He's awfully bad at it.. hopefully he finds a new hobby like getting shot breaking into someone's home.
@OPA said:
"The other fear a seller needs to be aware of is that a buyer without a paypal account can check out on ebay as a guest using a stolen credit card. This gets processed through paypal but offers no protection to the seller in the case of a charge back."
True, but I believe your "eBay seller protection" will kick in on your behalf if you complied with all the requirements.
When a CC completes a charge back it is because they are satisfied the credit card holder did nothing wrong, but this can be based on lies from the CC holder. In a case such as ArizonaRareCoins, If ebay hears the same lies and believes them then they, like PP, will most likely not protect the seller in a charge back.
This is SOOOOOO TRUE. Not 2 weeks after Paypal was FORCED to return the $2,495 they stole from me via a prior chargeback case, Paypal again attempted to steal $3,400 from me from a sale that was completed over 1 year earlier via chargeback, and I again contacted NBC and NBC again FORCED Paypal to return the money back to me:
Case ID: PP-D-9781823
The buyer has filed a case with their financial institution for a payment of $3,387.44 you received on May 29, 2017. We've opened a case on Apr 22, 2018 so that we can collect more info and resolve this with the buyer's financial institution. Learn more
Case detailsView case history
Buyer information
Michael Carroll
bigmaccheese83@gmail.com
Invoice ID
INV2-AUEP-E8KB-J32Q-4A9D
Transaction amount
$3,400.00
Transaction ID
5JW28902YM659442R
Disputed amount
$3,387.44
Dispute reason
More Information Needed
Your responses
Date of submission
Apr 26, 2018
Tracking
USPS 23150610000029629743
Seriously??? Just how long does someone get to do a chargeback? Do they wait until the day after the information falls off the online trackers and hope someone has deleted/lost track of the documentation? Yikes and a half.
Alternatively, I wonder if someone is going through a divorce or bankruptcy and a forensic accountant is looking for leads. The "dispute reason" is listed as "More Information Needed", so if it's only that then PayPal may just be doing a knee jerk 'freeze everything' response.
If nothing else, you would think there would be some sort of level of documentation a dispute that far out would require that is an onus on the one making the claim.
@OPA said:
"The other fear a seller needs to be aware of is that a buyer without a paypal account can check out on ebay as a guest using a stolen credit card. This gets processed through paypal but offers no protection to the seller in the case of a charge back."
True, but I believe your "eBay seller protection" will kick in on your behalf if you complied with all the requirements.
When a CC completes a charge back it is because they are satisfied the credit card holder did nothing wrong, but this can be based on lies from the CC holder. In a case such as ArizonaRareCoins, If ebay hears the same lies and believes them then they, like PP, will most likely not protect the seller in a charge back.
This is SOOOOOO TRUE. Not 2 weeks after Paypal was FORCED to return the $2,495 they stole from me via a prior chargeback case, Paypal again attempted to steal $3,400 from me from a sale that was completed over 1 year earlier via chargeback, and I again contacted NBC and NBC again FORCED Paypal to return the money back to me:
Case ID: PP-D-9781823
The buyer has filed a case with their financial institution for a payment of $3,387.44 you received on May 29, 2017. We've opened a case on Apr 22, 2018 so that we can collect more info and resolve this with the buyer's financial institution. Learn more
Case detailsView case history
Buyer information
Michael Carroll
bigmaccheese83@gmail.com
Invoice ID
INV2-AUEP-E8KB-J32Q-4A9D
Transaction amount
$3,400.00
Transaction ID
5JW28902YM659442R
Disputed amount
$3,387.44
Dispute reason
More Information Needed
Your responses
Date of submission
Apr 26, 2018
Tracking
USPS 23150610000029629743
Seriously??? Just how long does someone get to do a chargeback? Do they wait until the day after the information falls off the online trackers and hope someone has deleted/lost track of the documentation? Yikes and a half.
Alternatively, I wonder if someone is going through a divorce or bankruptcy and a forensic accountant is looking for leads. The "dispute reason" is listed as "More Information Needed", so if it's only that then PayPal may just be doing a knee jerk 'freeze everything' response.
If nothing else, you would think there would be some sort of level of documentation a dispute that far out would require that is an onus on the one making the claim.
The really scary part is that Paypal ALLOWED the chargeback of $3400 from a year ago. Paypal contacted me and claimed they were giving me a 1 time credit of $3400 because "I was such a good customer". I told Chris, from Paypal executive, that that was a load of crap and that he was giving me back the money because NBC would expose their crime. Fortunately, in 5 months, we will be able to get rid of Paypal for eBay transactions.
@Azurescens said:
Isn't there stuff that can get piled on this guy? Like misrepresentation of bullion items crossing state lines or some odd commerce law I know nothing of? Altering shipping labels? Using the USPS to knowingly defraud (a business, individual, or elderly) using government property (library computer) to commit a felony or something? It's hard to believe he's still floating around, untouched.
He's awfully bad at it.. hopefully he finds a new hobby like getting shot breaking into someone's home.
You mean like wire or mail fraud? Yes; however, most federal district attorneys have a high dollar threshold before they will elect to prosecute. Local authorities might care more, but didn't someone try that with him? (I'm too lazy to go through all the threads I have seen in various places about him).
Mail fraud is a United States Code violation. It is the responsibility of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the "Postal Inspectors" to investigate and arrest those who violate the Code.
If grounds exist for prosecution, the individual is picked up and taken to a holding area. That's where the charges are presented against them.
Certain issues (like Misappropriation of Postal Funds) will get a person charged, then released with a trial date. More serious crimes will get you locked up in the Hoosegow (jail) till trial.
I've seen people arrested and hauled out of the Post Office in handcuffs, one time they were taken out the front door in front of Customers waiting to buy stamps.
Not pretty. Kinda scary. But only for those who violate their trust.
I have to believe they will eventually get him when they have enough evidence.
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
I am absolutely shocked PayPal opened up something for a year ago, I really thought 30 Days was the max and then transactions were closed permanently. Very informative thread.
He sent me a blast email this morning asking for introductions to people with good Collections who might want to sell, as he is a “big time collector”.
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
@perkdog said:
I am absolutely shocked PayPal opened up something for a year ago, I really thought 30 Days was the max and then transactions were closed permanently. Very informative thread.
Me too
I had a package that went lost in the mail from Germany. Since it was from Europe, I gave it a few months as these things sometimes pop up. Of course I forgot. 6 months later the package remained lost. Seller refused a refund and both eBay and PayPal would not help because too much time had passed. I lost about $100.
@perkdog said:
I am absolutely shocked PayPal opened up something for a year ago, I really thought 30 Days was the max and then transactions were closed permanently. Very informative thread.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you had something like 6 months now to file a complaint.
@perkdog said:
I am absolutely shocked PayPal opened up something for a year ago, I really thought 30 Days was the max and then transactions were closed permanently. Very informative thread.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you had something like 6 months now to file a complaint.
Yep 180 days:
“Purchase Protection covers all eligible purchases where PayPal is used, as well as payments made through our website. To take advantage of Purchase Protection, we require, among other things, that PayPal accounts be kept in good standing and ask that a dispute be filed within 180 days of your purchase or payment.”
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Those are some pretty awful stories about how outlaws can operate against the law. If paypal or ebay allowed many of these frauds their business model would be under serious jeopardy.
Ironically though we hunt in packs.
..and good thing!
Never mind , wrong guy.
eBay ID-bruceshort978
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Sold a tablet on eBay and the buyer months later said they didn't purchase it (I had signature delivery saying they did.) Had my $ locked up for a few months then got it back. Annoying to say the least.
I just won a claim through Paypal that I had to file on this same person. I paid, seller never shipped and I had to file to get refund. He is operating under another name as I write in the BST forum. This is why I say no Paypal gift payment ever!! I was glad I used regular Paypal.
People like this crusty frog will never go away. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a non-functional alcoholic or junkie. You did life wrong when you need to steal from people who did things right.
More likely a sociopath. Lack of empathy, no conscience. Scheming & scamming is a way of life.
Successful BST transactions with forum members thebigeng, SPalladino, Zoidmeister, coin22lover, coinsarefun, jwitten, CommemKing.
Isn't there stuff that can get piled on this guy? Like misrepresentation of bullion items crossing state lines or some odd commerce law I know nothing of? Altering shipping labels? Using the USPS to knowingly defraud (a business, individual, or elderly) using government property (library computer) to commit a felony or something? It's hard to believe he's still floating around, untouched.
He's awfully bad at it.. hopefully he finds a new hobby like getting shot breaking into someone's home.
FYI:
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/planman2014-is-selling-on-this-site-again.318653/page-2#post-3115195
LOL
Has Hunter done the cent on dime planchet to anyone else? He contacted me on his johnkleinmaus account here trying to sell off a book of errors.
Seriously??? Just how long does someone get to do a chargeback? Do they wait until the day after the information falls off the online trackers and hope someone has deleted/lost track of the documentation? Yikes and a half.
Alternatively, I wonder if someone is going through a divorce or bankruptcy and a forensic accountant is looking for leads. The "dispute reason" is listed as "More Information Needed", so if it's only that then PayPal may just be doing a knee jerk 'freeze everything' response.
If nothing else, you would think there would be some sort of level of documentation a dispute that far out would require that is an onus on the one making the claim.
TTT
I was contacted by him as well, about this 'David Hall Flip'
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/999513/please-delete#latest
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
The really scary part is that Paypal ALLOWED the chargeback of $3400 from a year ago. Paypal contacted me and claimed they were giving me a 1 time credit of $3400 because "I was such a good customer". I told Chris, from Paypal executive, that that was a load of crap and that he was giving me back the money because NBC would expose their crime. Fortunately, in 5 months, we will be able to get rid of Paypal for eBay transactions.
You mean like wire or mail fraud? Yes; however, most federal district attorneys have a high dollar threshold before they will elect to prosecute. Local authorities might care more, but didn't someone try that with him? (I'm too lazy to go through all the threads I have seen in various places about him).
Mail fraud is a United States Code violation. It is the responsibility of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the "Postal Inspectors" to investigate and arrest those who violate the Code.
If grounds exist for prosecution, the individual is picked up and taken to a holding area. That's where the charges are presented against them.
Certain issues (like Misappropriation of Postal Funds) will get a person charged, then released with a trial date. More serious crimes will get you locked up in the Hoosegow (jail) till trial.
I've seen people arrested and hauled out of the Post Office in handcuffs, one time they were taken out the front door in front of Customers waiting to buy stamps.
Not pretty. Kinda scary. But only for those who violate their trust.
I have to believe they will eventually get him when they have enough evidence.
Pete
I am absolutely shocked PayPal opened up something for a year ago, I really thought 30 Days was the max and then transactions were closed permanently. Very informative thread.
He sent me a blast email this morning asking for introductions to people with good Collections who might want to sell, as he is a “big time collector”.
Me too
I had a package that went lost in the mail from Germany. Since it was from Europe, I gave it a few months as these things sometimes pop up. Of course I forgot. 6 months later the package remained lost. Seller refused a refund and both eBay and PayPal would not help because too much time had passed. I lost about $100.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you had something like 6 months now to file a complaint.
Yep 180 days:
“Purchase Protection covers all eligible purchases where PayPal is used, as well as payments made through our website. To take advantage of Purchase Protection, we require, among other things, that PayPal accounts be kept in good standing and ask that a dispute be filed within 180 days of your purchase or payment.”
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security