Sorry you are out part of your money, but I think you're VERY lucky you got the lion's share back. I know this must be very frustrating. Wow...what a sad, disturbing tale. My guess is something has happened in this guy's life we unaware of. In any event, hope you get whole.
Good luck,
Dave
Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
How does this go on? Shouldn't this be reported to Cointalk???
I messaged two moderators last time he posted over there in the B/S/T section with a link to this post and didn't hear back from either, the post stayed up as well. He posts over there semi-actively.
After contacting my lawyer and being directed to the prosecuting attorney in hunters neighborhood, I was advised to send one last email warning hunter that failure to return my money will give the green light to the prosecuting attorney to press forward. He was warned on thursday that he had until monday to comply. On monday he paypal'ed me the amount owed plus an extra $15 which I sent over to MACGE to help him recoup his loss. I am not sure the outstanding balance or what is being worked out with MACGE, but I have been paid back.
@joebb21 said:
After contacting my lawyer and being directed to the prosecuting attorney in hunters neighborhood, I was advised to send one last email warning hunter that failure to return my money will give the green light to the prosecuting attorney to press forward. He was warned on thursday that he had until monday to comply. On monday he paypal'ed me the amount owed plus an extra $15 which I sent over to MACGE to help him recoup his loss. I am not sure the outstanding balance or what is being worked out with MACGE, but I have been paid back.
Outstanding.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
total time was 7 months and 5 days. Unfortunately I cannot press ahead with the prosecutor and I have given MACGE all the information and contact info I had so that way he can move forward if hunter does not pay him back.
Wow, that's great news. I never thought I would hear that. Persistence (And threat of prosecution) pays off. Good for you. Now the other parties need to follow your lead.
I haven't been. I'm still owed $825. I guess if I would have been as tough with him as Joebb21 I might've been paid. It might be time to change tactics...lol.
@joebb21 said:
After contacting my lawyer and being directed to the prosecuting attorney in hunters neighborhood, I was advised to send one last email warning hunter that failure to return my money will give the green light to the prosecuting attorney to press forward. He was warned on thursday that he had until monday to comply. On monday he paypal'ed me the amount owed plus an extra $15 which I sent over to MACGE to help him recoup his loss. I am not sure the outstanding balance or what is being worked out with MACGE, but I have been paid back.
Soooo, Hunter is a man of his word huh?
"May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
I would have liked to see the legal action against his pattern of fraud; he will just move on to the next victim and the others who have been ripped off will have to navigate the challenging and very expensive legal hurdles to get justice. So Hunter gets no record with the authorities, pays back with no interest or aggravation costs and now is sleeping better at night. So not much of a deterrence to the next scammer.
@logger7 said:
I would have liked to see the legal action against his pattern of fraud; he will just move on to the next victim and the others who have been ripped off will have to navigate the challenging and very expensive legal hurdles to get justice. So Hunter gets no record with the authorities, pays back with no interest or aggravation costs and now is sleeping better at night. So not much of a deterrence to the next scammer.
who knows where he got the $$ to pay @joebb21. I'm betting it's from his next victim. once a scammer, always a scammer.
Hunter off the coast of Africa ...waiting for free money> @joebb21 said:
After contacting my lawyer and being directed to the prosecuting attorney in hunters neighborhood, I was advised to send one last email warning hunter that failure to return my money will give the green light to the prosecuting attorney to press forward. He was warned on thursday that he had until monday to comply. On monday he paypal'ed me the amount owed plus an extra $15 which I sent over to MACGE to help him recoup his loss. I am not sure the outstanding balance or what is being worked out with MACGE, but I have been paid back.
I haven't been. I'm still owed $825. I guess if I would have been as tough with him as Joebb21 I might've been paid. It might be time to change tactics...lol.
Follow same path Macge1 as joebb21.. good luck ....hope you also get matter ...put to rest
ol' Hunter has the money ...need to put fear in him ,to pry it out
He contacted me via an email, at first I didn't recognize the name:
"I am going to sell 3 of my rare coins if you are interested.
1) 1796 S-114. This is a rare Sheldon. Fine net vg
$1000
2) 1838 N-16 AU. The N-16 is rare and very rare at this grade. The N-16 was short lived as the obverse had extreme flowlines and the reverse was near its terminal state (nearly no denticles).
I believe it was cleaned but to what extent is hard because the flowlines sort of make it hard for me to say.
This is a stellar coin with strong color.
$3500
"3) 1862-s $20 AU58. A blockbuster coin. Not only in a NGC holder but in an early generation holder.
@logger7 said:
I would have liked to see the legal action against his pattern of fraud; he will just move on to the next victim and the others who have been ripped off will have to navigate the challenging and very expensive legal hurdles to get justice. So Hunter gets no record with the authorities, pays back with no interest or aggravation costs and now is sleeping better at night. So not much of a deterrence to the next scammer.
He is an active poster on Cointalk (in the discussion forums and B/S/T forum. He has posted a few ads recently so I wouldn't be surprised if that is where some of the money came from.
I don't log in here very often these days, but I received an email from a member across the street yesterday, using their 'Contact a Member' feature from the NGC Registry.
The text is similar to the message a couple of posts above this one. It goes like this:
"Hello Coin Trader,
Red Llama, a Collectors Soceity member, used our contact form to send you the following message:
I am going to sell a few coins and curious if any inerested you. The first two of probably zero interest but the 1862-S Double Eagle is a blockbuster coin.
1) A rare Sheldon variety. 1796 s-114
2) 1838 N-16. High grade and very rare.
3) 1862-S $20. Not necessarily super rare but rare in this grade: Coin is AU58 NGC and is also in an early holder.
Maybe trade? Coins for coins?"
The email from Collectors Soceity was dated 8-28 at 11:34pm, from member "Red Llama".
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so I apologize if this is duplicative, but I wanted to get the message out that this guy is apparently using the NGC forum contact form, and going by the user name 'Red Llama'.
Hope this helps.
-thecointrader
(Coin Trader ATS)
"Giving away an MS-65 $20 St. Gaudens to everyone logged in when I make my 10,000th post..."
@logger7 said:
I would have liked to see the legal action against his pattern of fraud; he will just move on to the next victim and the others who have been ripped off will have to navigate the challenging and very expensive legal hurdles to get justice. So Hunter gets no record with the authorities, pays back with no interest or aggravation costs and now is sleeping better at night. So not much of a deterrence to the next scammer.
He is an active poster on Cointalk (in the discussion forums and B/S/T forum. He has posted a few ads recently so I wouldn't be surprised if that is where some of the money came from.
I have talked to the CT admin as he recently messaged me there with his schtik. I showed him this thread along with Hunter Smith recently being banned from multiple FB coin groups for scamming yet CT won't do anything about it. They don't get involoved in BST and he hasn't technically broken any rules. SMH
I don't log in here very often these days, but I received an email from a member across the street yesterday, using their 'Contact a Member' feature from the NGC Registry.
The text is similar to the message a couple of posts above this one. It goes like this:
"Hello Coin Trader,
Red Llama, a Collectors Soceity member, used our contact form to send you the following message:
I am going to sell a few coins and curious if any inerested you. The first two of probably zero interest but the 1862-S Double Eagle is a blockbuster coin.
1) A rare Sheldon variety. 1796 s-114
2) 1838 N-16. High grade and very rare.
3) 1862-S $20. Not necessarily super rare but rare in this grade: Coin is AU58 NGC and is also in an early holder.
Maybe trade? Coins for coins?"
The email from Collectors Soceity was dated 8-28 at 11:34pm, from member "Red Llama".
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so I apologize if this is duplicative, but I wanted to get the message out that this guy is apparently using the NGC forum contact form, and going by the user name 'Red Llama'.
@logger7 said:
It's "the wild wild west" but without the guns and violence when you are dealing with scammers, Dr. Miguelito Loveless would be proud, lol.
@logger7 said:
It's "the wild wild west" but without the guns and violence when you are dealing with scammers, Dr. Miguelito Loveless would be proud, lol.
...have you been to Africa recently???
Your icon is Jackson Square in New Orleans. I was there last year. Wonderful place.
planman2014 posted on the CoinTalk For Sale section at 2:03 AM yesterday:
WTS: 1994 and 1989 ASE Mint Rolls. 23 BU 1964 Kennedy. 1922 BU Peace Roll.
1994 US Silver Eagle rolls from Mint ("Green Caps"). Message me an offer based on how many roll (s) you want. Not a heavy discount but more rolls more you can go down and I will accept.
The Kennedy's I will sell together, not break up sorry. $165
@CoinHoarder said:
planman2014 posted on the CoinTalk For Sale section at 2:03 AM yesterday:
WTS: 1994 and 1989 ASE Mint Rolls. 23 BU 1964 Kennedy. 1922 BU Peace Roll.
1994 US Silver Eagle rolls from Mint ("Green Caps"). Message me an offer based on how many roll (s) you want. Not a heavy discount but more rolls more you can go down and I will accept.
The Kennedy's I will sell together, not break up sorry. $165
1922 BU Peace Roll. $430
PM when you can.
Im pretty sure those are the rolls of silver eagles MACGE paid for and never received
@CoinHoarder said:
planman2014 posted on the CoinTalk For Sale section at 2:03 AM yesterday:
WTS: 1994 and 1989 ASE Mint Rolls. 23 BU 1964 Kennedy. 1922 BU Peace Roll.
1994 US Silver Eagle rolls from Mint ("Green Caps"). Message me an offer based on how many roll (s) you want. Not a heavy discount but more rolls more you can go down and I will accept.
The Kennedy's I will sell together, not break up sorry. $165
1922 BU Peace Roll. $430
PM when you can.
Im pretty sure those are the rolls of silver eagles MACGE paid for and never received
@MACGE1 should go to Coin Talk, out him, and demand his money or equivalent value in silver.
@CoinHoarder said:
planman2014 posted on the CoinTalk For Sale section at 2:03 AM yesterday:
WTS: 1994 and 1989 ASE Mint Rolls. 23 BU 1964 Kennedy. 1922 BU Peace Roll.
1994 US Silver Eagle rolls from Mint ("Green Caps"). Message me an offer based on how many roll (s) you want. Not a heavy discount but more rolls more you can go down and I will accept.
The Kennedy's I will sell together, not break up sorry. $165
1922 BU Peace Roll. $430
PM when you can.
Im pretty sure those are the rolls of silver eagles MACGE paid for and never received
Yes those are the rolls indeed. He claims that he sent a package of coins to me to in lieu of the money he owes me which should be here on Tuesday. Either way this is going to be wrapped up by this week.
@CoinHoarder said:
planman2014 posted on the CoinTalk For Sale section at 2:03 AM yesterday:
WTS: 1994 and 1989 ASE Mint Rolls. 23 BU 1964 Kennedy. 1922 BU Peace Roll.
1994 US Silver Eagle rolls from Mint ("Green Caps"). Message me an offer based on how many roll (s) you want. Not a heavy discount but more rolls more you can go down and I will accept.
The Kennedy's I will sell together, not break up sorry. $165
1922 BU Peace Roll. $430
PM when you can.
Im pretty sure those are the rolls of silver eagles MACGE paid for and never received
Yes those are the rolls indeed. He claims that he sent a package of coins to me to in lieu of the money he owes me which should be here on Tuesday. Either way this is going to be wrapped up by this week.
If you ever receive a package, have it opened before a USPS clerk or film it. Don't be surprised if the box is empty.
@MACGE1 At this point, the authorities still need to be involved. His MO appears to be to collect as much as possible and only pay restitution to those that fight back. Many won't. Someone needs to turn up the heat.
@cameonut2011 said: @MACGE1 At this point, the authorities still need to be involved. His MO appears to be to collect as much as possible and only pay restitution to those that fight back. Many won't. Someone needs to turn up the heat.
If I don't get a package tomorrow with the 2 coins that he promised me, then I'm going to get in touch with the prosecuting attorney immediately.
Comments
Keep up the pressure until he sweats bullets. Then he will cry uncle as he should have long ago an raise funds to pay off his debts.
This guy is making Shane seem legit.
Sorry you are out part of your money, but I think you're VERY lucky you got the lion's share back. I know this must be very frustrating. Wow...what a sad, disturbing tale. My guess is something has happened in this guy's life we unaware of. In any event, hope you get whole.
Good luck,
Dave
Only if the authorities care to prosecute it.
Sounds like BNB and the 3-legged Buffalo
Lafayette Grading Set
Just today he posted something for sale over on Cointalk..
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1834-half-dollar-au-115a.301170/
idiot
BHNC #203
It is very funny what he is calling an AU
BHNC #203
Hunter off the coast of Africa ...waiting for free money
he has to be "hunted" down first, then deported.
How does this go on? Shouldn't this be reported to Cointalk???
I messaged two moderators last time he posted over there in the B/S/T section with a link to this post and didn't hear back from either, the post stayed up as well. He posts over there semi-actively.
ttt
Bwahaha. Good one Mark!
After contacting my lawyer and being directed to the prosecuting attorney in hunters neighborhood, I was advised to send one last email warning hunter that failure to return my money will give the green light to the prosecuting attorney to press forward. He was warned on thursday that he had until monday to comply. On monday he paypal'ed me the amount owed plus an extra $15 which I sent over to MACGE to help him recoup his loss. I am not sure the outstanding balance or what is being worked out with MACGE, but I have been paid back.
Outstanding.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Awesome!
total time was 7 months and 5 days. Unfortunately I cannot press ahead with the prosecutor and I have given MACGE all the information and contact info I had so that way he can move forward if hunter does not pay him back.
@MACGE1
I hope you were made whole too.
Wow, that's great news. I never thought I would hear that. Persistence (And threat of prosecution) pays off. Good for you. Now the other parties need to follow your lead.
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I haven't been. I'm still owed $825. I guess if I would have been as tough with him as Joebb21 I might've been paid. It might be time to change tactics...lol.
Soooo, Hunter is a man of his word huh?
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
I would have liked to see the legal action against his pattern of fraud; he will just move on to the next victim and the others who have been ripped off will have to navigate the challenging and very expensive legal hurdles to get justice. So Hunter gets no record with the authorities, pays back with no interest or aggravation costs and now is sleeping better at night. So not much of a deterrence to the next scammer.
who knows where he got the $$ to pay @joebb21. I'm betting it's from his next victim. once a scammer, always a scammer.
Hunter off the coast of Africa ...waiting for free money> @joebb21 said:
Great News
Follow same path Macge1 as joebb21.. good luck ....hope you also get matter ...put to rest
ol' Hunter has the money ...need to put fear in him ,to pry it out
He contacted me via an email, at first I didn't recognize the name:
"I am going to sell 3 of my rare coins if you are interested.
1) 1796 S-114. This is a rare Sheldon. Fine net vg
$1000
2) 1838 N-16 AU. The N-16 is rare and very rare at this grade. The N-16 was short lived as the obverse had extreme flowlines and the reverse was near its terminal state (nearly no denticles).
I believe it was cleaned but to what extent is hard because the flowlines sort of make it hard for me to say.
This is a stellar coin with strong color.
$3500
"3) 1862-s $20 AU58. A blockbuster coin. Not only in a NGC holder but in an early generation holder.
$6200"
He is an active poster on Cointalk (in the discussion forums and B/S/T forum. He has posted a few ads recently so I wouldn't be surprised if that is where some of the money came from.
Hey Everybody...
I don't log in here very often these days, but I received an email from a member across the street yesterday, using their 'Contact a Member' feature from the NGC Registry.
The text is similar to the message a couple of posts above this one. It goes like this:
"Hello Coin Trader,
Red Llama, a Collectors Soceity member, used our contact form to send you the following message:
I am going to sell a few coins and curious if any inerested you. The first two of probably zero interest but the 1862-S Double Eagle is a blockbuster coin.
1) A rare Sheldon variety. 1796 s-114
2) 1838 N-16. High grade and very rare.
3) 1862-S $20. Not necessarily super rare but rare in this grade: Coin is AU58 NGC and is also in an early holder.
Maybe trade? Coins for coins?"
The email from Collectors Soceity was dated 8-28 at 11:34pm, from member "Red Llama".
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so I apologize if this is duplicative, but I wanted to get the message out that this guy is apparently using the NGC forum contact form, and going by the user name 'Red Llama'.
Hope this helps.
-thecointrader
(Coin Trader ATS)
I have talked to the CT admin as he recently messaged me there with his schtik. I showed him this thread along with Hunter Smith recently being banned from multiple FB coin groups for scamming yet CT won't do anything about it. They don't get involoved in BST and he hasn't technically broken any rules. SMH
It's "the wild wild west" but without the guns and violence when you are dealing with scammers, Dr. Miguelito Loveless would be proud, lol. http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/ActorsD/tve5021-19660930-367.jpg
Thanks for posting. This is very helpful info
...have you been to Africa recently???
Your icon is Jackson Square in New Orleans. I was there last year. Wonderful place.
planman2014 posted on the CoinTalk For Sale section at 2:03 AM yesterday:
WTS: 1994 and 1989 ASE Mint Rolls. 23 BU 1964 Kennedy. 1922 BU Peace Roll.
1994 US Silver Eagle rolls from Mint ("Green Caps"). Message me an offer based on how many roll (s) you want. Not a heavy discount but more rolls more you can go down and I will accept.
The Kennedy's I will sell together, not break up sorry. $165
1922 BU Peace Roll. $430
PM when you can.
Just curious if he has what he claims to be selling? Where is he located?
Im pretty sure those are the rolls of silver eagles MACGE paid for and never received
@MACGE1 should go to Coin Talk, out him, and demand his money or equivalent value in silver.
I hope somebody is warning those guys over there that this chump can't be trusted.
eBay ID-bruceshort978
Successful BST:here and ATS, bumanchu, wdrob, hashtag, KeeNoooo, mikej61, Yonico, Meltdown, BAJJERFAN, Excaliber, lordmarcovan, cucamongacoin, robkool, bradyc, tonedcointrader, mumu, Windycity, astrotrain, tizofthe, overdate, rwyarmch, mkman123, Timbuk3,GBurger717, airplanenut, coinkid855 ,illini420, michaeldixon, Weiss, Morpheus, Deepcoin, Collectorcoins, AUandAG, D.Schwager.
Yes those are the rolls indeed. He claims that he sent a package of coins to me to in lieu of the money he owes me which should be here on Tuesday. Either way this is going to be wrapped up by this week.
posted to CT
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/beware-planman201-here-planonit-hunter-smith-ats.302430/
I don't want to get into this but it should be noted that his username on Cointalk is planman2014.
CT has pretty loose rules, one thing that got the owner a subpoena in an ANA matter. No edits or deletions permitted.
thanks, ct post edited to reflect correct username.
If you ever receive a package, have it opened before a USPS clerk or film it. Don't be surprised if the box is empty.
@MACGE1 At this point, the authorities still need to be involved. His MO appears to be to collect as much as possible and only pay restitution to those that fight back. Many won't. Someone needs to turn up the heat.
Please elaborate
If I don't get a package tomorrow with the 2 coins that he promised me, then I'm going to get in touch with the prosecuting attorney immediately.