@TomB said:
Thank you for the information. While it is neither nice nor easy to write a post like yours, it can be quite valuable to self-police the boards.
There is no way to sugarcoat conduct that constitutes wire fraud and mail fraud.
My two cents with an outside the box thought. What scammer sends money BACK?
I was curious from the start when I read the OP had some of or most of the money returned.
Anyone who has been scammed ever... did you get any money back via simple email or phone call?
It has been a riveting thread with the accused and the accuser both posting. I'll give @planonit a nod of respect for
A. ) posting in this thread or the site after this thread release.
B. ) Sending funds to try and repay.
I'm not taking sides or defending anyone. I will say that when I was deployed abroad, or traveling, my American Banks have been or were extra cautious about transactions.
Well, not to derail the importance of this, but I just completed a purchase with member jwitten, and while it wasn't for an amount such as the two buyers who are due refunds, it was a purchase that went about as smooth as possible. Shipped when he said he would, packaging was MORE than sufficient, he supplied tracking immediately. It looks like I was lucky to deal with who I dealt with......THANKS, John (jwitten!!).
just thought it might be nice to hear about a transaction that DIDN'T have any glitches, roadbumps, however you'd like to put it
There are a lot of questions on this transaction, as a seller said: "Now I don't blame Mr. Baker. He has every right to be upset. I am not a dealer and as some of you know this time of year I am often in very remote areas in Africa with limited access to many of the amenities and have to do things or proxy. I won't name the the bank we use but me an Mr. Baker use the same bank which provides a P2P service. I have routinely sent payments but with limits the bank puts on and the fact I often am using the service out of country the bank can be extremely over zealous in putting limits on how much I can send."
He had good enough access to respond quickly to the thread. I'm curious what season it is now in Africa to draw Mr. Smith there, hunting season?
For what it's worth living abroad does make sending money via standard back methods problematic at times. Routinely my payments are blocked or flagged and I can completely see where daily/weekly limits could be in place in some banks.
Some of the assumptions from the forum police extend beyond the facts. Seems like the accused more than any other here is being transparent and trying to make things right.
If I had to be reminded that I forgot to ship something that had been paid for (people's lives can get complicated and stuff happens) I would step up and ship as soon as possible using overnight service at my extra expense and probably throw a little something extra in the box. Regarding the refund, state clearly why its coming in pieces. That is how you avoid threads like this. End of preachy speech.
@logger7 said:
There are a lot of questions on this transaction, as a seller said: "Now I don't blame Mr. Baker. He has every right to be upset. I am not a dealer and as some of you know this time of year I am often in very remote areas in Africa with limited access to many of the amenities and have to do things or proxy. I won't name the the bank we use but me an Mr. Baker use the same bank which provides a P2P service. I have routinely sent payments but with limits the bank puts on and the fact I often am using the service out of country the bank can be extremely over zealous in putting limits on how much I can send."
He had good enough access to respond quickly to the thread. I'm curious what season it is now in Africa to draw Mr. Smith there, hunting season?
Nah. Probably just helping out one of those Nigerian Princes that needs help sending his millions to a random stranger in the States.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Kiting funds and non delivery of merchandise is about the lowest behavior you could
get from anyone in the hobby. My feelings are Planonit should get the boot from this
PCGS forum.
Feel terrible for the OP and his neighbor who's out the three rolls of ASE's.
I appreciated by friend, KollectorKing's post of one of my favorite coins, the
1904-S Half in ( what appears to be ) AU 58. It broke the tension of this situation.
Good luck to joeBB21 in the return of his monies.
Mike Hayes ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
@Wabbit2313 said:
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
@Wabbit2313 said:
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
@Wabbit2313 said:
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
@Wabbit2313 said:
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
@Coinstartled said:
Apparently joebb doesn't have the patience of MACGE1.
I don't blame him. The payment excuses (checks that never arrive, automated payment limits, etc.) were the same excuses that Shane used to me regarding my consignment proceeds. I'm not saying that is what happened here, but I would be upset too. It is better to act sooner than later.
@Wabbit2313 said:
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
If that happened to me I'd be irritated that I had passed other coins thinking I had one on it's way. A person could pass up some nice coins while waiting for one that never shows up.
"Ain't None of Them play like him (Bix Beiderbecke) Yet." Louis Armstrong
@Wabbit2313 said:
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
@Aspie_Rocco said:
My two cents with an outside the box thought. What scammer sends money BACK?
Here's an example. My very first scam from Dec 1974 via a Coin World mail bid sale. I win $975 in better dated seated coins including an "XF" 1855-s half from a place out of Florida. They send me the stuff and it's all over-graded. Nice coins but over-graded, and worth about $500 total. The owner gave no options so I sent them all back for refund. That was a HUGE mistake. For the next 2 months I get the run-around from them either being out of the office, off on vacation, or the best excuse of them all, the owner had a heart attack and was in the hospital. The "secretary" handled most of the calls and kept giving me stories. One time, I was certain the owner picked up the phone and I called him by name, Mr. William Jones. He then said, no, it was actually his twin brother, Jacob. Soon after that they just stopped answering the phone and I kissed $975 good bye. Mail fraud and what have you. USPS and lawyers both told me I was out of luck. So next time you consider only taking a partial loss, it may be a good idea.
On another "deal" of the century. I had a fellow LSCC club member order a $190 coin from me on approval. I get every excuse in the world on how they would get me the money. 2 years later....I finally got the money. Incredible.
@crazyhounddog said:
Note to self....Stay away from this dishonest SOB. Thank you for the heads up. I'll put this SOB on the "S" list.
There are too many people selling coins who will promptly ship the coin you requested. And will refund your money promptly if anything goes wrong along the way. Why deal with the bottom 1-5% that have stories to tell on why they can't do what the other 95% can? Not everyone is cut out to be in sales or customer service.
@roadrunner said:
One time, I was certain the owner picked up the phone and I called him by name, Mr. William Jones. He then said, no, it was actually his twin brother, Jacob.<
The good ol' twin brother Jacob ploy. Gets ya every time.
"I am not a dealer and as some of you know this time of year I am often in very remote areas in Africa with limited access to many of the amenities and have to do things or proxy."
@Wabbit2313 said:
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
@crazyhounddog said:
Note to self....Stay away from this dishonest SOB. Thank you for the heads up. I'll put this SOB on the "S" list.
There are too many people selling coins who will promptly ship the coin you requested. And will refund your money promptly if anything goes wrong along the way. Why deal with the bottom 1-5% that have stories to tell on why they can't do what the other 95% can? Not everyone is cut out to be in sales or customer service.
no doubt the refund effort needed to be much more transparent to the people owed.
Were there efforts to get the local branch people involved to push these payments through, or just to confirm said money said exists in said account waiting to be transferred, or that said sender was having said issues said sending said money ?
Understandable that a buyer sometime forgets about a coin bought ,, but not acceptable for seller take the money , not to send the coin................ and then hope buyer forgot about money sent
BS excuses ..LOL
Interesting thread..... especially with both sides (now three sides) posting. If, once the parties have been recompensed to satisfaction, it would be interesting if all three posted a 'clear the air' thread and established that, ultimately, there was no criminal intent. No doubt there was discontent... but if resolved satisfactorily, among the parties, that should go a long way to show that it was not intended to be a scam. Cheers, RickO
@ricko said:
Interesting thread..... especially with both sides (now three sides) posting. If, once the parties have been recompensed to satisfaction, it would be interesting if all three posted a 'clear the air' thread and established that, ultimately, there was no criminal intent. No doubt there was discontent... but if resolved satisfactorily, among the parties, that should go a long way to show that it was not intended to be a scam. Cheers, RickO
I would be glad to update if and when. Hunter last told me he is back in the states on friday- and said at latest it will be taken care of by then. Ill pretend to be optimistic
considering the other scam stories, I also understand the concern.
Even I must admit, one has to stay concerned. Suppose Anything could happen from runaway escalator to IRS freezing the money for some off reason to I'm trying to be imaginative....
And I've other ideas I'll give to people I know on here via PM, including and especially both parties involved. in fact I'll PM them first.
Comments
There is no way to sugarcoat conduct that constitutes wire fraud and mail fraud.
Only in America... you pay me moolah for an item and I can't give you the item, or the money back to you right away ...
tm...
looks like BST buyers have been targeted as easy scores ...
If you do a deal with him, planonit sucking.
My two cents with an outside the box thought. What scammer sends money BACK?
I was curious from the start when I read the OP had some of or most of the money returned.
Anyone who has been scammed ever... did you get any money back via simple email or phone call?
It has been a riveting thread with the accused and the accuser both posting. I'll give @planonit a nod of respect for
A. ) posting in this thread or the site after this thread release.
B. ) Sending funds to try and repay.
I'm not taking sides or defending anyone. I will say that when I was deployed abroad, or traveling, my American Banks have been or were extra cautious about transactions.
That is all
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
and sends most of the money back before being outed
Seems to be a repeated story on the forum with trust gone bad. Paypal 2.9% is your friend.
Well, not to derail the importance of this, but I just completed a purchase with member jwitten, and while it wasn't for an amount such as the two buyers who are due refunds, it was a purchase that went about as smooth as possible. Shipped when he said he would, packaging was MORE than sufficient, he supplied tracking immediately. It looks like I was lucky to deal with who I dealt with......THANKS, John (jwitten!!).
just thought it might be nice to hear about a transaction that DIDN'T have any glitches, roadbumps, however you'd like to put it
There are a lot of questions on this transaction, as a seller said: "Now I don't blame Mr. Baker. He has every right to be upset. I am not a dealer and as some of you know this time of year I am often in very remote areas in Africa with limited access to many of the amenities and have to do things or proxy. I won't name the the bank we use but me an Mr. Baker use the same bank which provides a P2P service. I have routinely sent payments but with limits the bank puts on and the fact I often am using the service out of country the bank can be extremely over zealous in putting limits on how much I can send."
He had good enough access to respond quickly to the thread. I'm curious what season it is now in Africa to draw Mr. Smith there, hunting season?
season?
work season is all year.
For what it's worth living abroad does make sending money via standard back methods problematic at times. Routinely my payments are blocked or flagged and I can completely see where daily/weekly limits could be in place in some banks.
Some of the assumptions from the forum police extend beyond the facts. Seems like the accused more than any other here is being transparent and trying to make things right.
Latin American Collection
If I had to be reminded that I forgot to ship something that had been paid for (people's lives can get complicated and stuff happens) I would step up and ship as soon as possible using overnight service at my extra expense and probably throw a little something extra in the box. Regarding the refund, state clearly why its coming in pieces. That is how you avoid threads like this. End of preachy speech.
OMG, great post!
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
These are the stories we love.
Nah. Probably just helping out one of those Nigerian Princes that needs help sending his millions to a random stranger in the States.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Kiting funds and non delivery of merchandise is about the lowest behavior you could
get from anyone in the hobby. My feelings are Planonit should get the boot from this
PCGS forum.
Feel terrible for the OP and his neighbor who's out the three rolls of ASE's.
I appreciated by friend, KollectorKing's post of one of my favorite coins, the
1904-S Half in ( what appears to be ) AU 58. It broke the tension of this situation.
Good luck to joeBB21 in the return of his monies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
kiting? really?
where is the kiting?
Planonit could click on the link below and screen shot it back to prove he is in Africa. If he is, his story makes a "little" sense to me.
https://whatismyipaddress.com/
Perhaps if he can produce a shrunken head, the truculent villagers will surrender their pitchforks.
This little kerfluffle is almost as dramatic as the Swamp Tales in DC of late.
You can set up a vpn and have a iP anywhere in the world. That will not work.
If he could do that, he could have transferred his money as if he was in the US. (Like I do if I am out of the country)
Whoa! the Fonz can handle himself .......Ayyyyyyyyyyyy
TOTALLY AGREE. I was just saying that option does not work....
no honor among thieves. ..and I try to live by that. Money should never be accepted if you cant complete a deal....
I don't blame him. The payment excuses (checks that never arrive, automated payment limits, etc.) were the same excuses that Shane used to me regarding my consignment proceeds. I'm not saying that is what happened here, but I would be upset too. It is better to act sooner than later.
Last time I was in Africa my IP said I was in Tampa. Having no control over the electronics I have no idea how that happened, only that it did.
If that happened to me I'd be irritated that I had passed other coins thinking I had one on it's way. A person could pass up some nice coins while waiting for one that never shows up.
Louis Armstrong
That's South America not Africa
Here's an example. My very first scam from Dec 1974 via a Coin World mail bid sale. I win $975 in better dated seated coins including an "XF" 1855-s half from a place out of Florida. They send me the stuff and it's all over-graded. Nice coins but over-graded, and worth about $500 total. The owner gave no options so I sent them all back for refund. That was a HUGE mistake. For the next 2 months I get the run-around from them either being out of the office, off on vacation, or the best excuse of them all, the owner had a heart attack and was in the hospital. The "secretary" handled most of the calls and kept giving me stories. One time, I was certain the owner picked up the phone and I called him by name, Mr. William Jones. He then said, no, it was actually his twin brother, Jacob. Soon after that they just stopped answering the phone and I kissed $975 good bye. Mail fraud and what have you. USPS and lawyers both told me I was out of luck. So next time you consider only taking a partial loss, it may be a good idea.
On another "deal" of the century. I had a fellow LSCC club member order a $190 coin from me on approval. I get every excuse in the world on how they would get me the money. 2 years later....I finally got the money. Incredible.
Note to self....Stay away from this dishonest SOB. Thank you for the heads up. I'll put this SOB on the "S" list.
There are too many people selling coins who will promptly ship the coin you requested. And will refund your money promptly if anything goes wrong along the way. Why deal with the bottom 1-5% that have stories to tell on why they can't do what the other 95% can? Not everyone is cut out to be in sales or customer service.
The good ol' twin brother Jacob ploy. Gets ya every time.
Not everyone is cut out to be in sales or customer service or to act like a Coin Dealer.
there, RR, I fixed it for you.
"I am not a dealer and as some of you know this time of year I am often in very remote areas in Africa with limited access to many of the amenities and have to do things or proxy."
.
.
.
Nuff said.
or tor browser from the dark web community
no doubt the refund effort needed to be much more transparent to the people owed.
Were there efforts to get the local branch people involved to push these payments through, or just to confirm said money said exists in said account waiting to be transferred, or that said sender was having said issues said sending said money ?
Understandable that a buyer sometime forgets about a coin bought ,, but not acceptable for seller take the money , not to send the coin................ and then hope buyer forgot about money sent
BS excuses ..LOL
thanks for the head's up! helps when deciding if you want to deal with posters on the BST
thanks for the head's up! helps when deciding if you want to deal with posters on the BST
thanks for the head's up! helps when deciding if you want to deal with posters on the BST
Now that is clever.
Interesting thread..... especially with both sides (now three sides) posting. If, once the parties have been recompensed to satisfaction, it would be interesting if all three posted a 'clear the air' thread and established that, ultimately, there was no criminal intent. No doubt there was discontent... but if resolved satisfactorily, among the parties, that should go a long way to show that it was not intended to be a scam. Cheers, RickO
I would be glad to update if and when. Hunter last told me he is back in the states on friday- and said at latest it will be taken care of by then. Ill pretend to be optimistic
I just received some money from Hunter. We're still quite a long way off of what he owes me, but he's certainly trying.
considering the other scam stories, I also understand the concern.
Even I must admit, one has to stay concerned. Suppose Anything could happen from runaway escalator to IRS freezing the money for some off reason to I'm trying to be imaginative....
And I've other ideas I'll give to people I know on here via PM, including and especially both parties involved. in fact I'll PM them first.
Gee I'm soo jealous that the "perp" gets 2.9k & counting of free publicity & exposure....
wish I can get that, but sigh noooo....
carry on...
Thanks for the heads up!
K