I will say in Yosef's defense.....when you buy a lot of coins on a daily basis (I know he does), it is easy to forget about a single coin for a period of time and have it get "lost in the shuffle."
You have paperwork or a transaction record and will eventually catch it when you go through records, but it occasionally happens.
The seller always has the responsibility to deliver goods upon good payment.
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@Shortgapbob said:
I will say in Yosef's defense.....when you buy a lot of coins on a daily basis (I know he does), it is easy to forget about a single coin for a period of time and have it get "lost in the shuffle."
You have paperwork or a transaction record and will eventually catch it when you go through records, but it occasionally happens.
The seller always has the responsibility to deliver goods upon good payment.
A lot more common then one thinks.. I forgot about a Heritage auction win .... 5 weeks after it was paid ......called up, coin was sitting in the mail room
He is still active over on Cointalk, posted this recently and shows he has been online today.
Whoa. I never put 2 and 2 together until now. He was trying to aggressively push some low 4-figure Morgan's on me via PM and also in the VW bst and here I think last year. I had a feeling he was a little off from the get go.
The seller always has the responsibility to deliver goods upon good payment.
And the responsibility to make prompt, full refund when he doesn't deliver. Appears this guy has been dragging out a refund he knows he owes. Totally irresponsible.
Reckless faith in the dollar's strength is reckless. Tariff proposals have demonstrated this.
@Shortgapbob said:
I will say in Yosef's defense.....when you buy a lot of coins on a daily basis (I know he does), it is easy to forget about a single coin for a period of time and have it get "lost in the shuffle."
You have paperwork or a transaction record and will eventually catch it when you go through records, but it occasionally happens.
The seller always has the responsibility to deliver goods upon good payment.
A lot more common then one thinks.. I forgot about a Heritage auction win .... 5 weeks after it was paid ......called up, coin was sitting in the mail room
@Manorcourtman said:
6000+ views of this thread!! His goose and rep is cooked!
I kinda doubt that especially the last part:
He can use alt(s) to start all over again and again,
He can go to other web sites to continue the practice.
I hate to say it, but there are too many gullible people who are willing to part w/their $$ w/out performing due diligence or taking the necessary precautions prior to completing transactions.
And of course there are plenty of perps who are willing to take $$ from such easy targets. and finally
As has been pointed out many times, CU is just a tiny part of the numismatic community, and even w/60K views,
its not significant.
@MACGE1 said:
I've just received $500 from Hunter. While this whole story seems unorthodox, He doesn't seem to be a scammer if he's sending back the money.
The question is: Is he robbing Jane to pay John? Is he running a Ponzi scheme or?
@MACGE1 said:
I've just received $500 from Hunter. While this whole story seems unorthodox, He doesn't seem to be a scammer if he's sending back the money.
The question is: Is he robbing Jane to pay John? Is he running a Ponza scheme or?
So if he doesn't pay money he is a crook if he does he is a scammer?
@MACGE1 said:
I've just received $500 from Hunter. While this whole story seems unorthodox, He doesn't seem to be a scammer if he's sending back the money.
The question is: Is he robbing Jane to pay John? Is he running a Ponzi scheme or?
this is my thought.
Im glad macge at least got something. Clearly instead of paying my $380 thereby finishing what he owes me and then sending macge the other $120 and telling him that I have been paid in full and that he will be focusing on paying macge as soon as possible, he chooses to continue to drag along us both for a further ride.
Or he could have just gotten upset that I went public and is choosing to to withhold my money longer.
Either way- I will be taking this more public next week (bank and other authorities). if I am not paid back in full.
For those wondering why I didnt go earlier-its because my schedule has been to busy to give this the time it would require.
For those thinking this is too harsh and I should be more patient- Communication in any transaction is huge. Call me and tell me what is going on the other end. I understand that things happen. A couple of months ago I had a client whom I had been helping build a morgan set that contacted me and told me he that he was just laid off and he was hoping he would be able to raise the funds soon. Communication was constant and it ended up taking almost 2 months before we were able to finish the sale.
Hunter has made no effort to contact me and give me updates. The shenanigans I believe are being used here are unacceptable in my view and my patience is just about up
@MACGE1 said:
I've just received $500 from Hunter. While this whole story seems unorthodox, He doesn't seem to be a scammer if he's sending back the money.
The question is: Is he robbing Jane to pay John? Is he running a Ponzi scheme or?
Of course that's what he's doing. He's on multiple sites scouting for money. How many non-board members does he owe that we don't know about?
It would be nice to stay in good graces with your customers. That's the moral of this , and most transactions; if you're the vendor making the deal then "Follow up" and " follow through" is imperative. Always, good lessons can be taught here.
@TwoSides2aCoin said:
It would be nice to stay in good graces with your customers. That's the moral of this , and most transactions; if you're the vendor making the deal then "Follow up" and " follow through" is imperative. Always, good lessons can be taught here.
Crooks don't follow .. just give them the money .. No checks !!!! Is Hunter still in Africa ?
@TwoSides2aCoin said:
It would be nice to stay in good graces with your customers. That's the moral of this , and most transactions; if you're the vendor making the deal then "Follow up" and " follow through" is imperative. Always, good lessons can be taught here.
Crooks don't follow .. just give them the money .. No checks !!!! Is Hunter still in Africa ?
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There are law enforcement options even in situations like this maybe without paypal invoicing, a written actionable contract, etc.. I hope you pursue all necessary actions. Heck I will even hold Walmart's feet to the fire for sneakers that start falling apart in weeks. I wish the grading services and top numismatic companies offered free or pro bono assistance on rip-offs like this that can suck the joy out of the hobby and create undue stress. My town cops were able to issue a warrant on a scammer in WA state and he paid quickly. Keep the pressure up! Hunter can run but he can't hide!
I still haven't seen the issue of the " Checks" that the seller supposedly sent mentioned, seems that if a check had been sent then there would not be an issue of a daily limit.
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@Texast said:
I still haven't seen the issue of the " Checks" that the seller supposedly sent mentioned, seems that if a check had been sent then there would not be an issue of a daily limit.
The issue is the OP don't have his money yet. You don't need to quote checks. Daily limit? What are you talking about. Why don't you send the OP your daily limit.
@Texast said:
I still haven't seen the issue of the " Checks" that the seller supposedly sent mentioned, seems that if a check had been sent then there would not be an issue of a daily limit.
The issue is the OP don't have his money yet. You don't need to quote checks. Daily limit? What are you talking about. Why don't you send the OP your daily limit.
I wonder if you even bothered to read the entire thread before you made that comment. Of course it is about the OP not getting his money, but with the seller claiming there was a problem sending electronic funds after claiming he had sent checks to reimburse the buyer the scam became very obvious. 54 post huh,
It seems that unfortunately the OP and others financed this guys trip to Africa, that is if he ever left home...
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Excuses are plentiful when it comes to situations like these. Resolution not so much.
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@TwoSides2aCoin said:
It would be nice to stay in good graces with your customers. That's the moral of this , and most transactions; if you're the vendor making the deal then "Follow up" and " follow through" is imperative. Always, good lessons can be taught here.
A sales deal is a simple transaction. Party A has goods, party B pays for goods, after deal is reached and payment is made party A delivers goods. Simple. Any deviation or complexity should not happen unless under extreme circumstances or dubious intent from one party.
@Texast said:
It seems that unfortunately the OP and others financed this guys trip to Africa, that is if he ever left home...
indeed.
they bank at the same bank. it would be easy to verify if "issues sending money from a foreign ip" even exists at that bank.
I did go to my bank and file a claim as well as see if chase has any policy to deal with such transactions. Unfortunately they were not able to legally give any information or do any follow ups.
The police is my next option and I hope to be doing that this week
@logger7 said:
There are law enforcement options **even in situations like this maybe without paypal invoicing, a written actionable contract, etc.. I hope you pursue all necessary actions. Heck I will even hold Walmart's feet to the fire for sneakers that start falling apart in weeks. ** I wish the grading services and top numismatic companies offered free or pro bono assistance on rip-offs like this that can suck the joy out of the hobby and create undue stress. My town cops were able to issue a warrant on a scammer in WA state and he paid quickly. Keep the pressure up! Hunter can run but he can't hide!
Bank restrictions is obviously not this persons problem. Being back in the states he should have been able to instantaneously pay his bills. The guy is a scammer/BSer.
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https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1797-cent-sheldon.294453/#post-2709707
He is still active over on Cointalk, posted this recently and shows he has been online today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa,_Ohio
How about Joebb21?
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I will say in Yosef's defense.....when you buy a lot of coins on a daily basis (I know he does), it is easy to forget about a single coin for a period of time and have it get "lost in the shuffle."
You have paperwork or a transaction record and will eventually catch it when you go through records, but it occasionally happens.
The seller always has the responsibility to deliver goods upon good payment.
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A lot more common then one thinks.. I forgot about a Heritage auction win .... 5 weeks after it was paid ......called up, coin was sitting in the mail room
Whoa. I never put 2 and 2 together until now. He was trying to aggressively push some low 4-figure Morgan's on me via PM and also in the VW bst and here I think last year. I had a feeling he was a little off from the get go.
Thanks for the "heads-up" !!!
I've been "burned" here by two members !!!
There is still a path forward for the debtor, they should do all they can to raise the funds and apologize.
Silvereagle and gregwash !!!
And the responsibility to make prompt, full refund when he doesn't deliver. Appears this guy has been dragging out a refund he knows he owes. Totally irresponsible.
Reckless faith in the dollar's strength is reckless. Tariff proposals have demonstrated this.
6000+ views of this thread!! His goose and rep is cooked!
Heritage can take a while.....
I kinda doubt that especially the last part:
its not significant.
I've just received $500 from Hunter. While this whole story seems unorthodox, He doesn't seem to be a scammer if he's sending back the money.
The question is: Is he robbing Jane to pay John? Is he running a Ponzi scheme or?
So if he doesn't pay money he is a crook if he does he is a scammer?
This place gets confusing.
You should probably start a thread about this....................or ABCDE
it's not over until the whole thing is back
Why....this thread has more legs than a Rockette's chorus line.
It's been at least an hour since you or your others have made a thread, I thought it was time.
Didn't know that this place now offered posting coaches....thank you Mr. Willis!
got to get that post count up some how .....
Day off from school today??
no, work day as always
apparently alts are getting their post counts up to look important.
this is my thought.
Im glad macge at least got something. Clearly instead of paying my $380 thereby finishing what he owes me and then sending macge the other $120 and telling him that I have been paid in full and that he will be focusing on paying macge as soon as possible, he chooses to continue to drag along us both for a further ride.
Or he could have just gotten upset that I went public and is choosing to to withhold my money longer.
Either way- I will be taking this more public next week (bank and other authorities). if I am not paid back in full.
For those wondering why I didnt go earlier-its because my schedule has been to busy to give this the time it would require.
For those thinking this is too harsh and I should be more patient- Communication in any transaction is huge. Call me and tell me what is going on the other end. I understand that things happen. A couple of months ago I had a client whom I had been helping build a morgan set that contacted me and told me he that he was just laid off and he was hoping he would be able to raise the funds soon. Communication was constant and it ended up taking almost 2 months before we were able to finish the sale.
Hunter has made no effort to contact me and give me updates. The shenanigans I believe are being used here are unacceptable in my view and my patience is just about up
I've always believed that members should always out preps that play these shenanigans.
Maybe I missed it: Has planonit (Hunter) actually delivered any coins he's sold?
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Of course that's what he's doing. He's on multiple sites scouting for money. How many non-board members does he owe that we don't know about?
Frankly, that struck me is the most memorable part of this whole thread.
Just curious if there were any updates in last 12 days or if the impacted parties are writing it off
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Thank you for asking- No. Contrary to Hunters vocal defense that he will be paying me back, no further contact has been made and no money sent.
That's good for the community to know. Thanks for keeping us posted.
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Sorry to hear that.
I was hoping something was happening and you were just a bit busy to update
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
It would be nice to stay in good graces with your customers. That's the moral of this , and most transactions; if you're the vendor making the deal then "Follow up" and " follow through" is imperative. Always, good lessons can be taught here.
Crooks don't follow .. just give them the money .. No checks !!!! Is Hunter still in Africa ?
Africa!!!, OMG I just had a good laugh, frickin priceless! Thanks Best
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There are law enforcement options even in situations like this maybe without paypal invoicing, a written actionable contract, etc.. I hope you pursue all necessary actions. Heck I will even hold Walmart's feet to the fire for sneakers that start falling apart in weeks. I wish the grading services and top numismatic companies offered free or pro bono assistance on rip-offs like this that can suck the joy out of the hobby and create undue stress. My town cops were able to issue a warrant on a scammer in WA state and he paid quickly. Keep the pressure up! Hunter can run but he can't hide!
I still haven't seen the issue of the " Checks" that the seller supposedly sent mentioned, seems that if a check had been sent then there would not be an issue of a daily limit.
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The issue is the OP don't have his money yet. You don't need to quote checks. Daily limit? What are you talking about. Why don't you send the OP your daily limit.
I wonder if you even bothered to read the entire thread before you made that comment. Of course it is about the OP not getting his money, but with the seller claiming there was a problem sending electronic funds after claiming he had sent checks to reimburse the buyer the scam became very obvious. 54 post huh,
It seems that unfortunately the OP and others financed this guys trip to Africa, that is if he ever left home...
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indeed.
they bank at the same bank. it would be easy to verify if "issues sending money from a foreign ip" even exists at that bank.
Excuses are plentiful when it comes to situations like these. Resolution not so much.
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A sales deal is a simple transaction. Party A has goods, party B pays for goods, after deal is reached and payment is made party A delivers goods. Simple. Any deviation or complexity should not happen unless under extreme circumstances or dubious intent from one party.
I did go to my bank and file a claim as well as see if chase has any policy to deal with such transactions. Unfortunately they were not able to legally give any information or do any follow ups.
The police is my next option and I hope to be doing that this week
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Litigation isn't always cost effective.
The bank should know if there are transfer restrictions from foreign ip addresses
Although, with a big bank it should only take a call to have that lifted.
Bank restrictions is obviously not this persons problem. Being back in the states he should have been able to instantaneously pay his bills. The guy is a scammer/BSer.
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