@logger7 said:
There are law enforcement options **even in situations like this maybe without paypal invoicing, a written actionable contract, etc.. I hope you pursue all necessary actions. Heck I will even hold Walmart's feet to the fire for sneakers that start falling apart in weeks. ** I wish the grading services and top numismatic companies offered free or pro bono assistance on rip-offs like this that can suck the joy out of the hobby and create undue stress. My town cops were able to issue a warrant on a scammer in WA state and he paid quickly. Keep the pressure up! Hunter can run but he can't hide!
Litigation isn't always cost effective.
That may be true and my brother berates me for spending too much time pursuing unjust people, but I consider it a civic duty, especially for those who can afford it because scammers usually leave a lot of ripped off people. The government will sometimes pursue bad actors, spending a dime to recover a dollar.
I hate to lump Cameron in with Hunter Smith (aka 'planonit').
Not to excuse what Cameron did, and certainly not to minimize the wrong done by 'planonit', but Cameron had his personal tribulations that caused, or contributed to, his doing wrong to the folks who thought better of him.
There are plenty of folks here who knew Cameron in his better days. His two last public acts were bad, but I ask the membership not to judge the totality of his life (i.e., 'he is a dirtbag') by his final two public acts. While I did not know Cameron well, I can honestly say that I knew him well enough to say that he is a mixed bag like a large number of us: good in many ways, and perhaps less than above reproach in some other ways.
The subject person (Hunter Smith) of this thread e-mailed me the following brief message in both Dec 2016 and Feb 2017 from e-mail address HUSmith@Indiana.edu
"I think I messaged before but I was curious if you were still adding to your Morgan set? Looking for Pl/DMPL by chance? Thanks"
I presumed he contacted me by trolling the PCGS Registry Set listings, and ignored his unsolicited inquiries. -- After reading others' experiences with HS in this thread, I'm glad that I did not reply.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
You could have asked if he had certain choice rarities and asked to have them sent on approval and held them hostage until he made good with those he had scammed.
@logger7 said:
You could have asked if he had certain choice rarities and asked to have them sent on approval and held them hostage until he made good with those he had scammed.
Not the right way to go about it, particularly if the person doing that had no personal business prior with the sender. That would then make that person a thief as well. While it sounds good, on the surface, as a way to stick up for a fellow member/collector, the old saying about "2 wrongs not making a right" comes into play....and would open that person up to charges as well.
I agree Bochiman, it was just a thought. The solution is to address scams quickly before it gets compounded. I have never heard of sellers making unsolicited offers in forums like this.
Odds are he is done grazing this fertile PCGS pasture and has cut bait and moved on.
Mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Justacommeman said:
Odds are he is done grazing this fertile PCGS pasture and has cut bait and moved on.
Mark
Look at his profile. He was lurking here at 8:07 tonight.
He won't be able to suck anyone else in here. He is done. He doesn't have much incentive to pay anymore. It's not like anyone else will do business with him even if he does pay. His name is mud. That is my point
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@logger7 said:
You could have asked if he had certain choice rarities and asked to have them sent on approval and held them hostage until he made good with those he had scammed.
You mean commit a crime to intervene into something that doesn't affect you? I think that is very poor advice.
@logger7 said:
You could have asked if he had certain choice rarities and asked to have them sent on approval and held them hostage until he made good with those he had scammed.
You mean commit a crime to intervene into something that doesn't affect you? I think that is very poor advice.
I wasn't really serious on that but having coins sent on approval or memo is as old a practice as the hills.
PCGS has been holding a coin I sent in last September, it went through "restoration" on their guarantee submission then another guarantee submission when cac said the coin was tooled, I stand to lose a lot of money on the coin due to their low valuation, I wouldn't call that a "crime" but it isn't right.
PCGS has been holding a coin I sent in last September, it went through "restoration" on their guarantee submission then another guarantee submission when cac said the coin was tooled, I stand to lose a lot of money on the coin due to their low valuation, I wouldn't call that a "crime" but it isn't right.
You are comparing apples and oranges. You consented to the restoration, and it was a bailment for your benefit. Holding someone's coin with the intention to deprive him or her of possession (without consent or legal authorization) in order to exert influence over someone or coerce him is different.
@ChrisRx said:
Did we ever make it back from Africa?
He must also be on line at the Post Office
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If he used the U.S. Postal system in any part of the rip off I would think he has a mail fraud issue to deal with. He seems like a guy that has gotten good about jerking people around and will until someone gets him indited on mail fraud. The Feds make up the rules as they want to and in this case I hope they can and do.
He is still owed approximately $300 and I'm still owed $1,055.
I'm sorry this is happening to the two of you. I'm still hoping this will pan out. Seven months out, there is no real chance this was an innocent misadventure as the subject of this thread claimed in my opinion.
I am getting a monthly payment from a deadbeat through a debt collection agency, 3/4 of the debtors money plus and initial skip trace is worth the trouble. I regard pursuing fraud a civic duty. An area gold buyer told me about being stiffed by a guy who palmed off a fake 09s vdb on him, I said he should do a small claims court action, not that hard and at least gets the fraud on record. Fraudsters were in the lowest circle of Dante's hell.
Hunter contacted me last week and stated he will be returning (yet again) this week and this will get cleared up immediately.
Of course 7 days have gone by and no positive result.
Stay tuned for an update next week:
If payment is not made by monday the 14th the prosecuting attorney of his district will be getting involved.
Coupled with all the other people online who have been scammed by hunter (see the 3 links in my original post) this should make for an interesting case
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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Smfh.
That may be true and my brother berates me for spending too much time pursuing unjust people, but I consider it a civic duty, especially for those who can afford it because scammers usually leave a lot of ripped off people. The government will sometimes pursue bad actors, spending a dime to recover a dollar.
I hate to lump Cameron in with Hunter Smith (aka 'planonit').
Not to excuse what Cameron did, and certainly not to minimize the wrong done by 'planonit', but Cameron had his personal tribulations that caused, or contributed to, his doing wrong to the folks who thought better of him.
There are plenty of folks here who knew Cameron in his better days. His two last public acts were bad, but I ask the membership not to judge the totality of his life (i.e., 'he is a dirtbag') by his final two public acts. While I did not know Cameron well, I can honestly say that I knew him well enough to say that he is a mixed bag like a large number of us: good in many ways, and perhaps less than above reproach in some other ways.
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
The subject person (Hunter Smith) of this thread e-mailed me the following brief message in both Dec 2016 and Feb 2017 from e-mail address HUSmith@Indiana.edu
"I think I messaged before but I was curious if you were still adding to your Morgan set? Looking for Pl/DMPL by chance? Thanks"
I presumed he contacted me by trolling the PCGS Registry Set listings, and ignored his unsolicited inquiries. -- After reading others' experiences with HS in this thread, I'm glad that I did not reply.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Ahh, the old "I'm in Africa" trick.
You could have asked if he had certain choice rarities and asked to have them sent on approval and held them hostage until he made good with those he had scammed.
Not the right way to go about it, particularly if the person doing that had no personal business prior with the sender. That would then make that person a thief as well. While it sounds good, on the surface, as a way to stick up for a fellow member/collector, the old saying about "2 wrongs not making a right" comes into play....and would open that person up to charges as well.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I agree Bochiman, it was just a thought. The solution is to address scams quickly before it gets compounded. I have never heard of sellers making unsolicited offers in forums like this.
Odds are he is done grazing this fertile PCGS pasture and has cut bait and moved on.
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Look at his profile. He was lurking here at 8:07 tonight.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
He won't be able to suck anyone else in here. He is done. He doesn't have much incentive to pay anymore. It's not like anyone else will do business with him even if he does pay. His name is mud. That is my point
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
he's so close to paying off joebb21, that'd be a start to unmudding
I see today that he has posted a for sale ad on cointalk..
Link?
Successful BST transactions with forum members thebigeng, SPalladino, Zoidmeister, coin22lover, coinsarefun, jwitten, CommemKing.
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1834-o-115a-au.296725/
Thanks.
Successful BST transactions with forum members thebigeng, SPalladino, Zoidmeister, coin22lover, coinsarefun, jwitten, CommemKing.
Not that hard for find people these days, he can run but he can't hide. https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/
?> @COCollector said:
Shame..
wonder if he has stiffed the buyers over there?
...he tried over there to gain my interest during this last Christmas...good for him I was busy with Family
He's dreaming, that is a problem Bust 50c if ever there was one.
You mean commit a crime to intervene into something that doesn't affect you? I think that is very poor advice.
Someone should contact admin over there and link to this thread.
I wasn't really serious on that but having coins sent on approval or memo is as old a practice as the hills.
PCGS has been holding a coin I sent in last September, it went through "restoration" on their guarantee submission then another guarantee submission when cac said the coin was tooled, I stand to lose a lot of money on the coin due to their low valuation, I wouldn't call that a "crime" but it isn't right.
You are comparing apples and oranges. You consented to the restoration, and it was a bailment for your benefit. Holding someone's coin with the intention to deprive him or her of possession (without consent or legal authorization) in order to exert influence over someone or coerce him is different.
I did report it last night but it hasn't been taken down and I haven't received a response from an administrator.
Did we ever make it back from Africa?
Is this the guy?
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Successful BST transactions with forum members thebigeng, SPalladino, Zoidmeister, coin22lover, coinsarefun, jwitten, CommemKing.
He must also be on line at the Post Office
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Oh I get it now... so he never went to Africa, and kept the $. Didnt see that coming.
@joebb21 Were you ever made whole?
He is still owed approximately $300 and I'm still owed $1,055.
This is another thread that should be ttt daily to alert all what a con artist the perp. is.
If he used the U.S. Postal system in any part of the rip off I would think he has a mail fraud issue to deal with. He seems like a guy that has gotten good about jerking people around and will until someone gets him indited on mail fraud. The Feds make up the rules as they want to and in this case I hope they can and do.
I'm sorry this is happening to the two of you. I'm still hoping this will pan out. Seven months out, there is no real chance this was an innocent misadventure as the subject of this thread claimed in my opinion.
...sell his debt to a shot-caller from a local street gang for 10c on the dollar and then grab some kettle corn
I am getting a monthly payment from a deadbeat through a debt collection agency, 3/4 of the debtors money plus and initial skip trace is worth the trouble. I regard pursuing fraud a civic duty. An area gold buyer told me about being stiffed by a guy who palmed off a fake 09s vdb on him, I said he should do a small claims court action, not that hard and at least gets the fraud on record. Fraudsters were in the lowest circle of Dante's hell.
Crocodile tears for the poor gold buyer. Most need to stay away from the court system themselves.
ttt
Sadly as macge has stated both he and I are still out money.
From somebody who actually took the time to try and defend himself on the boards we all can see the real person hunter really is.
This is not over for hunter and he will be hearing from us soon again
ttt
This is probably the neatest/funniest idea I have read in one of these scam threads.
ttt
Shame on scammmers
Hunter contacted me last week and stated he will be returning (yet again) this week and this will get cleared up immediately.
Of course 7 days have gone by and no positive result.
Stay tuned for an update next week:
If payment is not made by monday the 14th the prosecuting attorney of his district will be getting involved.
Coupled with all the other people online who have been scammed by hunter (see the 3 links in my original post) this should make for an interesting case
Hunter needs to be deported
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Cleared up "immediately?"
Maybe after winter?
P.S. And I assume that interest will be paid too since he essentially took out a loan on you.
The fellow works for a fake news agency , huh ?
Winter is coming
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
delayed by global warming