@jmlanzaf said:
Wow. There were so many EU sales to count that there's a delay in the production data.
The last time they missed a deadline (that is, Tuesday, not the 5pm ET they claim) we got no sales data at all for the week. They claimed it was gone and irretrievable.
@jmlanzaf said:
Wow. There were so many EU sales to count that there's a delay in the production data.
The last time they missed a deadline (that is, Tuesday, not the 5pm ET they claim) we got no sales data at all for the week. They claimed it was gone and irretrievable.
how odd. How could it be irretrievable? Sales are recorded somewhere. I just don't think they want to go back and look them up...although the computer should do all the work.
@jmlanzaf said:
Wow. There were so many EU sales to count that there's a delay in the production data.
The last time they missed a deadline (that is, Tuesday, not the 5pm ET they claim) we got no sales data at all for the week. They claimed it was gone and irretrievable.
how odd. How could it be irretrievable? Sales are recorded somewhere. I just don't think they want to go back and look them up...although the computer should do all the work.
I did a cursory search, but couldn't find the reference. It was the April 9, 2017 report, coincidentally the first report showing how the 2017 American Liberty Gold Coin sold. It was the only report missed by the mint since they started publishing the numbers.
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little note than half of last week's total.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little more than half of last week's total.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little more than half of last week's total.
You can't make a trend it of two data points. If net week is 2500 that means what? 5k next week?
@grote15 said:
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little more than half of last week's total.
You can't make a trend it of two data points. If net week is 2500 that means what? 5k next week?
I guess we'll soon find out...but if I were a betting man, I'd bet on a general decline over time in sales.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little more than half of last week's total.
You can't make a trend it of two data points. If net week is 2500 that means what? 5k next week?
I guess we'll soon find out...but if I were a betting man, I'd bet on a general decline over time in sales.
If you look at a lot of the mint products, the do decline over time but with s lot of noise. Look at the weekly sales on proof or mint sets.
@grote15 said:
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little more than half of last week's total.
You can't make a trend it of two data points. If net week is 2500 that means what? 5k next week?
I guess we'll soon find out...but if I were a betting man, I'd bet on a general decline over time in sales.
If you look at a lot of the mint products, the do decline over time but with s lot of noise. Look at the weekly sales on proof or mint sets.
That is what I expect to happen, also, with these. The point being made was they may take 3 months to sell out~my response was that they may take even longer than that.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little more than half of last week's total.
You can't make a trend it of two data points. If net week is 2500 that means what? 5k next week?
I guess we'll soon find out...but if I were a betting man, I'd bet on a general decline over time in sales.
If you look at a lot of the mint products, the do decline over time but with s lot of noise. Look at the weekly sales on proof or mint sets.
That is what I expect to happen, also, with these. The point being made was they may take 3 months to sell out~my response was that they may take even longer than that.
May take longer. May take less time. Again, it requires we know what the actual trend is. It's not impossible for it to be at 3,000 next week amidst the oscillations.
Is this the last we'll see of the "enhanced" coinage for awhile? What other gimmick will they come up with next? Has there been an enhanced proof? Or an enhanced reverse proof? The one gimmick I never really liked was the edge lettering. Hmmmm, that's it, the next gimmick will be enhanced edge lettering!!!!!!!!
@jmlanzaf said:
OK. That's weird. Sales to date were 198,700 on Sunday. Did someone place a big order or are they calling a sellout at 205,000-ish?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Lots of flawed returns will lower the available ones for sale...205-ish appears to be the final sold count for this item.
It's possible. That is one possible outcome. If so, this will be sold out before Christmas and probably $50 by next year. If they find the other 20,000....well then it won't sell out until April or so and then it'll be a long time before the value is discovered.
This is just starting to get interesting again. If there are truly only 7400 left till sell-out, it should make it by Christmas and then we'll see how the secondary market develops over 2018.
At this point in time I can't see how 20k sets would not show as being potentially available if they did exist. I understand the returns and cancellations thing but, almost 3 months after issue, don't you think any sets that would be available would be already minted and waiting?
@MsMorrisine said:
There are almost 20,000 sets not showing in that inventory.
Plus I was burned last time assuming that inventory was the end-all-be-all -- not again.
Those mystery sets did not show last time I was burned.
There was a quarterly inventory at the end of Sept. If they don't know totals sales are off by 20,000 then they can't count.
Or there are ~20,000 sets that are simply not in the online inventory.
It they simply decided not to replace them. Or they will mint them again at a later date. We can't know until they dai something. It is, however, possible that sell out occurs in the 205,000 range and that's it.
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I have been buying the PCGS SP70FS Enhanced Nickels.
I have like 31 pcs or so now.
$10- $12 ea or less seems like a good deal to me.
I have gotten them as low as $7.77 shipped,
Why no numbers today...???
The last time they missed a deadline (that is, Tuesday, not the 5pm ET they claim) we got no sales data at all for the week. They claimed it was gone and irretrievable.
how odd. How could it be irretrievable? Sales are recorded somewhere. I just don't think they want to go back and look them up...although the computer should do all the work.
I did a cursory search, but couldn't find the reference. It was the April 9, 2017 report, coincidentally the first report showing how the 2017 American Liberty Gold Coin sold.
It was the only report missed by the mint since they started publishing the numbers.
198,719. Numbers are out
+1,586 over last week.
Even the ebay auctions are scavenging off other ebay auctions
Coulda been better, could a been worse....
3 months till a sell out
Full PCGS SP70 sets continue downward, one going for $118 with free shipping yesterday.
Yikes, glad I didn't buy a graded set.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
Really depends on the label. Sets sold from $108 to $280 yesterday.
Yup...bought me a few of these a while back....actually increased in cost since
https://ebay.com/itm/IN-HAND-2017-S-225TH-ANNIVERSARY-ENHANCED-UNCIRCULATED-NGC-SP70-FIRST-DAY-SET-/382182928250?hash=item58fbe0af7a:g:XEAAAOSwaBhZi7Xe
Probably go higher today and tomorrow with the ebay bucks.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
They need something for Christmas...
Might take longer than 3 months if weekly sales continue declining.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
They aren't so much declining as jumping around. No clear trend
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little note than half of last week's total.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I think that was due in large part to returns, though. As the returns trickle down, the sale numbers should be more consistent going forward. This week was a little more than half of last week's total.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
You can't make a trend it of two data points. If net week is 2500 that means what? 5k next week?
I guess we'll soon find out...but if I were a betting man, I'd bet on a general decline over time in sales.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
If you look at a lot of the mint products, the do decline over time but with s lot of noise. Look at the weekly sales on proof or mint sets.
That is what I expect to happen, also, with these. The point being made was they may take 3 months to sell out~my response was that they may take even longer than that.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
May take longer. May take less time. Again, it requires we know what the actual trend is. It's not impossible for it to be at 3,000 next week amidst the oscillations.
Edit: Whoops! Wrong thread!
6 months until a sellout
My prediction is actually 4 months.
No sellout ever! For sale into 2019 and finally pulled.
One more for me today!
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
BREAKING!!!
Yeah, well, we been there before.
OK. That's weird. Sales to date were 198,700 on Sunday. Did someone place a big order or are they calling a sellout at 205,000-ish?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Thanks for the update, nurmaler!
Let's take up a collection and buy the last 7000!
I’ve got $30
Don't quote me on that.
As always, many thanks for the update.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
Is this the last we'll see of the "enhanced" coinage for awhile? What other gimmick will they come up with next? Has there been an enhanced proof? Or an enhanced reverse proof? The one gimmick I never really liked was the edge lettering. Hmmmm, that's it, the next gimmick will be enhanced edge lettering!!!!!!!!
Lots of flawed returns will lower the available ones for sale...205-ish appears to be the final sold count for this item.
It's possible. That is one possible outcome. If so, this will be sold out before Christmas and probably $50 by next year. If they find the other 20,000....well then it won't sell out until April or so and then it'll be a long time before the value is discovered.
Ooops
One more on the way, shipped!
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
4 more on the way.
Bump.
This is just starting to get interesting again. If there are truly only 7400 left till sell-out, it should make it by Christmas and then we'll see how the secondary market develops over 2018.
There are almost 20,000 sets not showing in that inventory.
Plus I was burned last time assuming that inventory was the end-all-be-all -- not again.
~20,000 sets don't show in inventory.
At this point in time I can't see how 20k sets would not show as being potentially available if they did exist. I understand the returns and cancellations thing but, almost 3 months after issue, don't you think any sets that would be available would be already minted and waiting?
Then go off sales
~27,000 from last week
Those mystery sets did not show last time I was burned.
There was a quarterly inventory at the end of Sept. If they don't know totals sales are off by 20,000 then they can't count.
Or there are ~20,000 sets that are simply not in the online inventory.
I said "if"
It they simply decided not to replace them. Or they will mint them again at a later date. We can't know until they dai something. It is, however, possible that sell out occurs in the 205,000 range and that's it.
Grabbed 5 sets today, Looks like they will be sold out very soon.