The Jackie may continue to have a slight edge on value in 70 do to the lower pops but this coin should be considered a key based on mintage numbers unless the final numbers go higher.
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Don't see that # changing much until final audited numbers late in the year. Inclination is it will remain key. Pop report has a long way to go though... Just received grades today on the last batch sent, so perceiving many more to come.
1 1 83438358 595485 2016-W $5 100th Anniv. Nat'l Parks MS70 USA
1 2 83438359 595485 2016-W $5 100th Anniv. Nat'l Parks MS70 USA
1 3 83438360 595485 2016-W $5 100th Anniv. Nat'l Parks MS70 USA
2 1 83438361 620637 2017-P $1 Lions Club International First Strike MS70 USA
3 1 83438362 620637 2017-P $1 Lions Club International First Strike MS70 USA
Based on the history of past commemorative coins how likely is it that the current production numbers for this coin will change after the final audit and if the number changes does it normally increase or decrease? Anyone know?
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I like the NP, regardless of whether it holds the "key" designation. It's cool observing market forces at work as it supplants JR. I imagine that There are a lot of TR fans who could be attracted to buying these down the road, but they likely represent a fraction of people attracted to the JR.
My biggest concern is future issues, in particular this year's Boys Town/Father Flanagan, is a reach thematically, IMO, and may encounter hurdles which could lead it to become yet another successor to the title. Personally, though I've collected gold commemoratives for decades, I'm not eager at all for this one.
@thebigeng said:
5150......... as of Feb 19th US Mint numbers. Say isn't that a code for detaining a mentally ill person?
Same as a week ago so I'm guessing that's the final mintage unless the final audit changes it.
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IMO the simple fact that this thread had gone 8 days between posts suggest a very low level of interest in this modern rarity. Bodes poorly going forward for $5 gold commemoratives.................
@2manycoins2fewfunds said:
IMO the simple fact that this thread had gone 8 days between posts suggest a very low level of interest in this modern rarity. Bodes poorly going forward for $5 gold commemoratives.................
I agree, there are a couple for sale at $650, no takers. Last one sold was for under $550. Low for a key
I bought one and the other one at $545 each with 10% ebay bucks bonus incentive.
Not sure what I'll get with the $109 kick back from these two purchases.
@2manycoins2fewfunds said:
IMO the simple fact that this thread had gone 8 days between posts suggest a very low level of interest in this modern rarity. Bodes poorly going forward for $5 gold commemoratives.................
I agree, there are a couple for sale at $650, no takers. Last one sold was for under $550. Low for a key
Yeah maybe wondercoin is going to be collecting on alot of beer bets. I though he was wrong that Boys town would unseat the Parks but then I saw the early sales of Proof Gold eagles for 2017 and thought that's probably another harbinger of collector (in)activity for this year.
@OPA said:
To early to tell. If & when PM's rebound, sales should pick up. We have over 8 sales month remaining.
Of coarse it will come down to the last week of sales and how many flippers want to chance it like last time. If the NPS unc is dead at that time then this one will hit new lows. If the NPS goes for double or triple then it may entice more to buy.
@wondercoin said:
I will be drinking free beers in the near future like there is no tomorrow! Lol. Wondercoin.
Yes I am pretty sure I will be sending you some beer money before year end. The first week of Boy's town was truly pathetic, I now wonder if the unc. will even get above 4,000. Time will tell but that was a very slow start for sales.
@jmski52 said:
Where do we go for the free beers? I must've missed out on the offer.
Basically the initial offer was that if you feel the 2016 Nat'l Park Unc. gold will continue to be the lowest mintage (5,150) modern commemorative gold after the final results are in for the 2017 Boy's Town gold Unc., then feel free to offer to bet Wondercoin a microbrew beer, or the funds for one, because he might still be taking bets as he does not believe that will happen.
Sold my NPS PCGS MS70 FS for $910, while the going was hot, a month ago. My unc half's in OGP are selling for double what I paid for. No complaints on this end.
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Has the mint announced when they will stop selling these coins? I'm guessing many flippers are setting on the sidelines and will decide to buy or not buy at the last minute.
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What are the raw Uncirculated NP $5 gold coins in the original government packaging bringing these days?
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@PerryHall said:
Has the mint announced when they will stop selling these coins? I'm guessing many flippers are setting on the sidelines and will decide to buy or not buy at the last minute.
@PerryHall said:
Has the mint announced when they will stop selling these coins? I'm guessing many flippers are setting on the sidelines and will decide to buy or not buy at the last minute.
End of 2017.
Like the NPS coin, most of the sales for the Boy's Town coins will probably be in the last half of December as the flippers and speculators wait until near the end to see how the sales are going.
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Looking at the boys town $5 dollar gold sales the proof in very low compared to the UNC. Strange and different. I wonder if the big modern buyers out there are all waiting together until the end of the year to see where sales are. Then if really low sales continue; slowly start buying as to not make a run on the bank so to speak..
@thebigeng said:
Looking at the boys town $5 dollar gold sales the proof in very low compared to the UNC. Strange and different. I wonder if the big modern buyers out there are all waiting together until the end of the year to see where sales are. Then if really low sales continue; slowly start buying as to not make a run on the bank so to speak..
Remember the proof is also available in the 3 coin set:
2017 BOYS TOWN 3-COIN SET 4061 04/02/2017
@wondercoin said:
I will be drinking free beers in the near future like there is no tomorrow! Lol. Wondercoin.
Yes, I already sent Justin gift money for a couple beers; make sure he didn't already drink yours.
I don't have any hope for enough sales in December to even come close to the Park and Jackie numbers.
This coin is another reason why the Mint needs to make some changes. Yes, it will probably be the new a low mintage, but does anyone even care enough to throw more money at it?
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5150 it is. Key.
The Jackie may continue to have a slight edge on value in 70 do to the lower pops but this coin should be considered a key based on mintage numbers unless the final numbers go higher.
Don't see that # changing much until final audited numbers late in the year. Inclination is it will remain key. Pop report has a long way to go though... Just received grades today on the last batch sent, so perceiving many more to come.
1 1 83438358 595485 2016-W $5 100th Anniv. Nat'l Parks MS70 USA
1 2 83438359 595485 2016-W $5 100th Anniv. Nat'l Parks MS70 USA
1 3 83438360 595485 2016-W $5 100th Anniv. Nat'l Parks MS70 USA
2 1 83438361 620637 2017-P $1 Lions Club International First Strike MS70 USA
3 1 83438362 620637 2017-P $1 Lions Club International First Strike MS70 USA
Based on the history of past commemorative coins how likely is it that the current production numbers for this coin will change after the final audit and if the number changes does it normally increase or decrease? Anyone know?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
It will likely change and likely be lower, but not more than a few coins.
I like the NP, regardless of whether it holds the "key" designation. It's cool observing market forces at work as it supplants JR. I imagine that There are a lot of TR fans who could be attracted to buying these down the road, but they likely represent a fraction of people attracted to the JR.
My biggest concern is future issues, in particular this year's Boys Town/Father Flanagan, is a reach thematically, IMO, and may encounter hurdles which could lead it to become yet another successor to the title. Personally, though I've collected gold commemoratives for decades, I'm not eager at all for this one.
5150......... as of Feb 19th US Mint numbers. Say isn't that a code for detaining a mentally ill person?
Same as a week ago so I'm guessing that's the final mintage unless the final audit changes it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
5150..........no change.
And yet again..........5150.
IMO the simple fact that this thread had gone 8 days between posts suggest a very low level of interest in this modern rarity. Bodes poorly going forward for $5 gold commemoratives.................
I agree, there are a couple for sale at $650, no takers. Last one sold was for under $550. Low for a key
You need to check the completed auctions for the unc half dollar....nice profit for anyone who held on to them. ($40+)
I bought one and the other one at $545 each with 10% ebay bucks bonus incentive.
Not sure what I'll get with the $109 kick back from these two purchases.
5150 appears to be the final number.
Now, time to sell and break even on the Mint's new modern key.
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You, sir, are obviously an optimist!
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The Boys Town coins are going to give this a run for its money.
Yeah maybe wondercoin is going to be collecting on alot of beer bets. I though he was wrong that Boys town would unseat the Parks but then I saw the early sales of Proof Gold eagles for 2017 and thought that's probably another harbinger of collector (in)activity for this year.
There's a FS-eligible sealed box on BST for $575. Decent price, imo.
I knew it would happen.
I will be drinking free beers in the near future like there is no tomorrow! Lol. Wondercoin.
The only big winners are the gold First Strike 70's & the unc. half>
@HalfStrike said:
To early to tell. If & when PM's rebound, sales should pick up. We have over 8 sales month remaining.
Of coarse it will come down to the last week of sales and how many flippers want to chance it like last time. If the NPS unc is dead at that time then this one will hit new lows. If the NPS goes for double or triple then it may entice more to buy.
...not only are you cashing in on free beers but you couldn't even leave your usual "2 cents" tip for the board??? Hogwash
Yes I am pretty sure I will be sending you some beer money before year end. The first week of Boy's town was truly pathetic, I now wonder if the unc. will even get above 4,000. Time will tell but that was a very slow start for sales.
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Where do we go for the free beers? I must've missed out on the offer.
I knew it would happen.
Basically the initial offer was that if you feel the 2016 Nat'l Park Unc. gold will continue to be the lowest mintage (5,150) modern commemorative gold after the final results are in for the 2017 Boy's Town gold Unc., then feel free to offer to bet Wondercoin a microbrew beer, or the funds for one, because he might still be taking bets as he does not believe that will happen.
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I am sure the Pope will step in and make sure the Boy's Town commem sells more than 5150.
Sold my National Park for $575 on ebay the other day. Probably coulda gotten a little more, but I was happy.
Received my $5 UNC Boy's Town yesterday
Sold my NPS PCGS MS70 FS for $910, while the going was hot, a month ago. My unc half's in OGP are selling for double what I paid for. No complaints on this end.
Recent Mint sales report:
Commemoratives 17CB 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 1202 03/19/2017
Very low start.
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I can't believe sales are this bad, it makes the spouse coins seem popular.
Has the mint announced when they will stop selling these coins? I'm guessing many flippers are setting on the sidelines and will decide to buy or not buy at the last minute.
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Sold $799.99.....MS70 Non FS
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-W-PCGS-MS70-100th-Anniversary-National-Park-Parks-5-Uncirculated-Gold-Coin-/182467729609
Another one went for $849. And a First Strike fetched $1349!
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What are the raw Uncirculated NP $5 gold coins in the original government packaging bringing these days?
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End of 2017.
Like the NPS coin, most of the sales for the Boy's Town coins will probably be in the last half of December as the flippers and speculators wait until near the end to see how the sales are going.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I think boys town 5 dollar gold First Strike cutoff is April 9th, 2017, if anyone is interested...
We're not, but thanks.
Looking at the boys town $5 dollar gold sales the proof in very low compared to the UNC. Strange and different. I wonder if the big modern buyers out there are all waiting together until the end of the year to see where sales are. Then if really low sales continue; slowly start buying as to not make a run on the bank so to speak..
Well, it will be very hard to beat Bird Johnson uncirculated coin's number (only 1750 sold in almost two years.... )
Commemoratives 17CA 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD PROOF 1073 04/02/2017
Commemoratives 17CB 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 1457 04/02/2017
The coins are flying off the shelf!!!!
Remember the proof is also available in the 3 coin set:
2017 BOYS TOWN 3-COIN SET 4061 04/02/2017
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NGC MS70 Non FS sold for $699.95 today.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-W-100th-Anniversary-National-Park-5-GOLD-Unc-NGC-MS-70-incl-Box-amp-COA-/192111233661?nma=true&si=S1tdcb%2FIu81JRxBy6XBMZA8xsIE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Latest Mint stats for the Boys Town fans.
It begs the question-- is Jackie UNC still king/key? I honestly think it will be. Even decades from now.
Key meaning most expensive.
Yes, I already sent Justin gift money for a couple beers; make sure he didn't already drink yours.
I don't have any hope for enough sales in December to even come close to the Park and Jackie numbers.
This coin is another reason why the Mint needs to make some changes. Yes, it will probably be the new a low mintage, but does anyone even care enough to throw more money at it?
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Meaning biggest loss to buyer...