Teamplayer1, looks like you can claim you helped make a key date! Not many can claim that... and I cannot remember any other situation similar to this. Course final numbers will not be known for some time, but very doubtful there will be an adjustment upwards at this point.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
No crystal ball here but what if the Mint processed the returns / replacements but didn't tally them in time for last weeks cutoff? I'm sure everyone has missed a deadline in their jobs at one time or another.
Dropped by 4 so it's now 14 below the Jackie Robinson. Any chance for it to drop some more next week?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
What are the chances that it will drop some more next week? How are the raw uncirculated NP coins with the original packaging doing in the secondary market?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@PerryHall said:
What are the chances that it will drop some more next week? How are the raw uncirculated NP coins with the original packaging doing in the secondary market?
We have an exceptional offer for just our preferred buyers today. This will not be offered on our website or on EBAY. We are always looking for the best buys and exceptional offers for our preferred buyers, and we have delivered.
US coins have large mintages because they have high demand. We are always looking for those US Coins that have the lower mintages because they are among the most collectible and sought after.
Let me start with this: RECORD LOW UNITED STATES MINTAGE!
This United States Coin set is starting to get people in the coin world very excited! This is your chance to get these before the rest of coin world wakes up to this fact, and you have a chance to own the best this release has to offer at an awesome price.
Up until this year, the lowest mintage United States Modern Gold Coin Commemorative ever is the 1997 W Jackie Robinson $5 Gold Piece. It had a mintage of only 5,174 Coins. I want you guys to now do your research on the 1997 W $5 Gold Jackie Robinson coin. Collectors are going crazy over them. They love the Proof 70s and REALLY love the MS70 Gold piece with a mintage of 5,174 and a tiny population in 70 grade! If we could go back in time to 1997 I’m sure we would all buy as many of these Jackie Robinson coins we could.
We have a chance to seize the moment now.
Just five days ago Coin News announced that in 2016 we have a new low mintage modern day US Gold coin commemorative record!
As a matter of fact, the whole series set has low mintages with the uncirculated silvers just a couple thousand above some of the highly sought after 1995 and 1996 Olympic Coins. Our $1 and Half Dollar coins in this series are sold out on our website already even the 69 grades!
This whole set is what we have to offer you today. This is why we buy coins.
The National Park Coins have tiny populations in 70 grade. For instance the $5 Gold Mint State has a total population of just 359! The $1 Silver Mint State total population in MS70 of just 528. The PF70 Gold Coin has a population of only 463. Best part is, I have the only First Day of Issues! Only 125 First Day Issue sets exist! And you can be one of the lucky few to own a set in First Day Issue! Collectors LOVE First Day Issues as it is the best pedigree for coins and collectors crave top quality.
Right now for just this list of customers, we have the best of the best of this release and the price is AMAZING! It is a great price without the First Day Issue, with the First Day Issue it is exceptional. The populations are very impressive. Get these now while you can because collectors love lowest mintages as you may know.
Here is what we have:
Description: Description: cid:image002.png@01D27B0A.78D5C290Description: Description: Description: 6PC 2016 NATIONL PARKS NGC MS70/PF70 FDI JONES
2016 United State National Park 3 and 6 coin sets. These coins were minted for the 100th Anniversary of the National Parks. They are all MS70 and PF70UC and are ALL FIRST DAY OF ISSUE! Only 125 of these coins have a First Day of Issue Designation. We have the absolute best of the best. To top things off, these are all hand signed by Elizabeth Jones who was the 11th Chief Engraver of the United States and started the United States Modern Commemorative program back in 1982.
These numbers are very impressive for collectors. A $1 Silver Coin with a mintage of just under 21,000 and the half dollar uncirculated with a mintage of just over 21,000. Not to mention the record low mintage of the Gold Piece. Now lets get to the best part which is the price! We had 43 Six-coin sets, and are now down to 11 after ONE DAY at this price and 50 Three-coin proof sets at this price. I noted (key coin) for all the nice low mintage pieces. Get these sets while you can before they sell out.
Description: Description: Description: 6PC 2016 NATIONL PARKS NGC MS70/PF70 FDI JONES
6 Coin Set includes
$5 Gold PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$5 Gold MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$1 Silver PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$1 Silver MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$0.50 PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$0.50 MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
Full 6 coin set is only $1,795. This excellent set and price is just for preferred buyers! (Split payments available) Again do your research on the Mint State 70s and it will be clear as day why you should buy this set. Collectors love them and you can own the best of the best First Day of Issue Sets! Collectors are craving this pedigree on coins because First Day Issues are what everyone wants.
We also have 3 coin set
Description: Description: Description: http://vault/prod_images/300845_1.jpg
3 Coin Proof Set Includes
$5 Gold PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$1 Silver PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$0.50 PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
Price is superb at just $895 for the entire 3 coin set! (Split payments available)
At these prices and limited quantities, these sets will not last long. Get these while you can before they sell out.
@jwitten said:
Umm, how can they say they proof gold is a key coin? It's not.
They are making the mistake of looking only at individual sales (4917) of the proof gold and not the individual sales + set sales (14589). Big difference when those sold as part of the set are counted. It's absolutely not a key as you note.
First day usually does bring more. Interesting that they have these First Days. They must get them for all new issues. Obviously non one knew about the two keys here when they were first issued.
Wonder if any buyers are gonna complain when they find out the less than truth. I wish he was selling a 3 set of the uncs.. that would be worth grabbing.
I wonder if the gold commemorative ms are now on the radar. Guess we will know how the boy's town gold ms will do in final mintage numbers and if it will unseat the parks. At least the parks gold was an attractive coin. The boy's town gold does not have much going for it.
I would not buy into the hype of this parks ms gold, it might just be unseated as mentioned earlier in this thread. If not by the boy's town than some other coin. I do own one ms parks gold bought from the mint, and hope I am wrong in my assumption. Time will tell.
I don't see $5 commemorative coins selling like the Hags, but they could drop another 1,000. They are cheaper from the Mint, a better size, most are more attractive than the Hags, and have a bigger collector base (for now!). That said, with internet sites like this, it will likely only happen if the Mint unexpectedly stops sales...
Description: 6PC 2016 NATIONAL PARKS NGC MS70/PF70 FDI JONES
6 Coin Set includes
$5 Gold PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$5 Gold MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$1 Silver PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$1 Silver MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$0.50 PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$0.50 MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
Full 6 coin set is only $1,795.
We also have 3 coin set
Description: http://vault/prod_images/300845_1.jpg
3 Coin Proof Set Includes
$5 Gold PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$1 Silver PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$0.50 PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
Price is superb at just $895 for the entire 3 coin set! (Split payments available)
If you were to take the $1795 price and remove the PF coins at $895, the remaining value of the MS coins is $900.
Interesting that MCM chose to "do" an even split. Seems like they are trying to imply the PF coins are on par with the MS coins in value. Which is amusing when all (3) MS coins are "keys" and only (1) PF coin is a "key". <---Maximizing profits at it's best.
Also "this" is just to boost sales of the PF by implying that the mintage is less. When it really isn't. <--- Deceptive marketing, but perfectly legal.
@pf70collector said:
I wonder if the gold commemorative ms are now on the radar. Guess we will know how the boy's town gold ms will do in final mintage numbers and if it will unseat the parks. At least the parks gold was an attractive coin. The boy's town gold does not have much going for it.
I would not buy into the hype of this parks ms gold, it might just be unseated as mentioned earlier in this thread. If not by the boy's town than some other coin. I do own one ms parks gold bought from the mint, and hope I am wrong in my assumption. Time will tell.
I would bet against the 2017 Unc being a lower mintage/sales number than the 2016 Nat'l Parks Unc. There were two issues in 2016 to dilute coin budgets vs. a single issue in 2017, and the Centennial gold coins probably took some wind out of gold commemorative sales as well. Time will tell.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
Wow, that Boy's town coin is UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think even the flippers will be a bit pressed. Who'd want to buy such a coin even if it is the new "King" !
Love that Milled British (1830-1960) Well, just Love coins, period.
@7Jaguars said:
Wow, that Boy's town coin is UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think even the flippers will be a bit pressed. Who'd want to buy such a coin even if it is the new "King" !
Just to keep things in perspective, some of the 2014 First Spouse coins have combined unc. and proof mintages of around 4000 to 4200. This is one-sixth of the combined mintage of the NP gold. Even with a much smaller collector base, I consider the lowest-mintage Spouses (especially in proof) to be better values than the unc. NP.
@Overdate said:
Just to keep things in perspective, some of the 2014 First Spouse coins have combined unc. and proof mintages of around 4000 to 4200. This is one-sixth of the combined mintage of the NP gold. Even with a much smaller collector base, I consider the lowest-mintage Spouses (especially in proof) to be better values than the unc. NP.
When I asked the Mint how long they were going to leave the gold Spouses up for sale, the rep told me "until they are sold out". Does anyone here believe what the Mint says?
Why would they create a special "farewell tab" on the sales page? The Mint always seems to be reaching, but never gives collectors the straight story.
Reminds me of the Saturday Night Live skit with Lily Tomlin as the telephone lady, "We're the phone company. We don't care, because we don't have to."
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
No jmski52, no-one believes the first line employees of the Mint, and though the Mint has seemingly made a concerted effort to become accountable like every respected business, they continue to fail badly. A lot of work to be done in that arena., but the powers don't see it.
Comments
Give it some time.......if you have it to give.
Why isn't the $5 gold 2016 -W NPS Gold listed in the PCGS Price Guide?
I noticed the $5 Mark Twain proof is listed.
Still inching up. Some raw ones are now selling in the mid-$600's.
1997 Jackies are bringing about $1000. Still a bit of price disparity
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
>
You are all welcome! (I returned 12 of those 16.) Long live the new low mintage king!
I'm quite surprised that very few others were returned considering how many were purchased in the last week.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272534985600?vectorid=229466&lgeo=1&item=272534985600&rmvSB=true
Teamplayer1, looks like you can claim you helped make a key date! Not many can claim that... and I cannot remember any other situation similar to this. Course final numbers will not be known for some time, but very doubtful there will be an adjustment upwards at this point.
I'm sure you will not have much trouble unloading yours... let us know how it turns out.
...but it happens.
Any guess on the numbers tomorrow
I'll guess -2.
-8
-12 (hopeful thinking
)
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I guess no change. Last week was the final adjustment.
Remember, it's as of the prior Sunday. Takes time to process returns. Bet it will drop.
No crystal ball here but what if the Mint processed the returns / replacements but didn't tally them in time for last weeks cutoff? I'm sure everyone has missed a deadline in their jobs at one time or another.
+142
-5163
I own one. I can dream, can't I?
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
As of January 31, 2017
Six more Non FS 70's and a fresh Non FS 69.
-10
5160
-4 Nice
Dropped by 4 so it's now 14 below the Jackie Robinson. Any chance for it to drop some more next week?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I had said -8. Close
Closer
What are the chances that it will drop some more next week? How are the raw uncirculated NP coins with the original packaging doing in the secondary market?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Are there not a bazillion clad half uncs out there? Is 12 really that big a deal???
Stupid me....I should read the Mint reports I posted above.
Clad is the new key by a big margin to boot.
$645 for raw coin....plus OGP
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222388980973?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
As of February 2, 2017
One more Non FS 69 and fifteen more Non FS 70's
From MCM today....
The more attention to these the better....
Greetings Everyone,
I don’t expect this one to last very long.
We have an exceptional offer for just our preferred buyers today. This will not be offered on our website or on EBAY. We are always looking for the best buys and exceptional offers for our preferred buyers, and we have delivered.
US coins have large mintages because they have high demand. We are always looking for those US Coins that have the lower mintages because they are among the most collectible and sought after.
Let me start with this: RECORD LOW UNITED STATES MINTAGE!
This United States Coin set is starting to get people in the coin world very excited! This is your chance to get these before the rest of coin world wakes up to this fact, and you have a chance to own the best this release has to offer at an awesome price.
Up until this year, the lowest mintage United States Modern Gold Coin Commemorative ever is the 1997 W Jackie Robinson $5 Gold Piece. It had a mintage of only 5,174 Coins. I want you guys to now do your research on the 1997 W $5 Gold Jackie Robinson coin. Collectors are going crazy over them. They love the Proof 70s and REALLY love the MS70 Gold piece with a mintage of 5,174 and a tiny population in 70 grade! If we could go back in time to 1997 I’m sure we would all buy as many of these Jackie Robinson coins we could.
We have a chance to seize the moment now.
Just five days ago Coin News announced that in 2016 we have a new low mintage modern day US Gold coin commemorative record!
The 2016 W Uncirculated $5 Gold National Park Service coin has a lower mintage and is now the lowest modern gold coin commemorative mintage ever at 5,164. WOW!
http://www.coinnews.net/2017/01/26/2016-nps-commemorative-gold-coin-hits-mintage-low/
As a matter of fact, the whole series set has low mintages with the uncirculated silvers just a couple thousand above some of the highly sought after 1995 and 1996 Olympic Coins. Our $1 and Half Dollar coins in this series are sold out on our website already even the 69 grades!
This whole set is what we have to offer you today. This is why we buy coins.
The National Park Coins have tiny populations in 70 grade. For instance the $5 Gold Mint State has a total population of just 359! The $1 Silver Mint State total population in MS70 of just 528. The PF70 Gold Coin has a population of only 463. Best part is, I have the only First Day of Issues! Only 125 First Day Issue sets exist! And you can be one of the lucky few to own a set in First Day Issue! Collectors LOVE First Day Issues as it is the best pedigree for coins and collectors crave top quality.
Right now for just this list of customers, we have the best of the best of this release and the price is AMAZING! It is a great price without the First Day Issue, with the First Day Issue it is exceptional. The populations are very impressive. Get these now while you can because collectors love lowest mintages as you may know.
Here is what we have:
Description: Description: cid:image002.png@01D27B0A.78D5C290Description: Description: Description: 6PC 2016 NATIONL PARKS NGC MS70/PF70 FDI JONES
2016 United State National Park 3 and 6 coin sets. These coins were minted for the 100th Anniversary of the National Parks. They are all MS70 and PF70UC and are ALL FIRST DAY OF ISSUE! Only 125 of these coins have a First Day of Issue Designation. We have the absolute best of the best. To top things off, these are all hand signed by Elizabeth Jones who was the 11th Chief Engraver of the United States and started the United States Modern Commemorative program back in 1982.
Here are the mintages on the coins:
$5 Gold Proof
4,917
$5 Gold Uncirculated
5,164
$1 Silver Proof
62,726
$1 Silver Uncirculated
20,997
50c Proof Clad Half-Dollar
40,256
50c Uncirculated Clad Half-Dollar
21,016
Three-Coin Proof Set
14,589
These numbers are very impressive for collectors. A $1 Silver Coin with a mintage of just under 21,000 and the half dollar uncirculated with a mintage of just over 21,000. Not to mention the record low mintage of the Gold Piece. Now lets get to the best part which is the price! We had 43 Six-coin sets, and are now down to 11 after ONE DAY at this price and 50 Three-coin proof sets at this price. I noted (key coin) for all the nice low mintage pieces. Get these sets while you can before they sell out.
Description: Description: Description: 6PC 2016 NATIONL PARKS NGC MS70/PF70 FDI JONES
6 Coin Set includes
$5 Gold PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$5 Gold MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$1 Silver PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$1 Silver MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$0.50 PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$0.50 MS70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
Full 6 coin set is only $1,795. This excellent set and price is just for preferred buyers! (Split payments available) Again do your research on the Mint State 70s and it will be clear as day why you should buy this set. Collectors love them and you can own the best of the best First Day of Issue Sets! Collectors are craving this pedigree on coins because First Day Issues are what everyone wants.
We also have 3 coin set
Description: Description: Description: http://vault/prod_images/300845_1.jpg
3 Coin Proof Set Includes
$5 Gold PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed (key coin)
$1 Silver PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
$0.50 PF70 First Day Issue Elizabeth Jones Signed
Price is superb at just $895 for the entire 3 coin set! (Split payments available)
At these prices and limited quantities, these sets will not last long. Get these while you can before they sell out.
Hope you are all having a great week!
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Umm, how can they say they proof gold is a key coin? It's not.
They are making the mistake of looking only at individual sales (4917) of the proof gold and not the individual sales + set sales (14589). Big difference when those sold as part of the set are counted. It's absolutely not a key as you note.
That was one of the wordiest sells pitches I've seen, too. Do you think first day of sale is worth the premium on this one?
First day usually does bring more. Interesting that they have these First Days. They must get them for all new issues. Obviously non one knew about the two keys here when they were first issued.
Ditto. Appears numbers need updating as well.
Wonder if any buyers are gonna complain when they find out the less than truth. I wish he was selling a 3 set of the uncs.. that would be worth grabbing.
I wonder if the gold commemorative ms are now on the radar. Guess we will know how the boy's town gold ms will do in final mintage numbers and if it will unseat the parks. At least the parks gold was an attractive coin. The boy's town gold does not have much going for it.
https://moderncoinmart.com/tags/2017-boys-town-centennial-commemoratives/
I would not buy into the hype of this parks ms gold, it might just be unseated as mentioned earlier in this thread. If not by the boy's town than some other coin. I do own one ms parks gold bought from the mint, and hope I am wrong in my assumption. Time will tell.
Box of 20
I don't see $5 commemorative coins selling like the Hags, but they could drop another 1,000. They are cheaper from the Mint, a better size, most are more attractive than the Hags, and have a bigger collector base (for now!). That said, with internet sites like this, it will likely only happen if the Mint unexpectedly stops sales...
If you were to take the $1795 price and remove the PF coins at $895, the remaining value of the MS coins is $900.
Interesting that MCM chose to "do" an even split. Seems like they are trying to imply the PF coins are on par with the MS coins in value. Which is amusing when all (3) MS coins are "keys" and only (1) PF coin is a "key". <---Maximizing profits at it's best.
Also "this" is just to boost sales of the PF by implying that the mintage is less. When it really isn't. <--- Deceptive marketing, but perfectly legal.
$5 Gold Proof
4,917
$5 Gold Uncirculated
5,164
Three-Coin Proof Set
14,589
Boils down to DYODD.
Meh
I would bet against the 2017 Unc being a lower mintage/sales number than the 2016 Nat'l Parks Unc. There were two issues in 2016 to dilute coin budgets vs. a single issue in 2017, and the Centennial gold coins probably took some wind out of gold commemorative sales as well. Time will tell.
I knew it would happen.
Wow, that Boy's town coin is UGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think even the flippers will be a bit pressed. Who'd want to buy such a coin even if it is the new "King" !
Well, just Love coins, period.
+1
Just to keep things in perspective, some of the 2014 First Spouse coins have combined unc. and proof mintages of around 4000 to 4200. This is one-sixth of the combined mintage of the NP gold. Even with a much smaller collector base, I consider the lowest-mintage Spouses (especially in proof) to be better values than the unc. NP.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
Farewell to first spouse program From US mint ......
https://catalog.usmint.gov/coins/gold-coins/
When I asked the Mint how long they were going to leave the gold Spouses up for sale, the rep told me "until they are sold out". Does anyone here believe what the Mint says?
Why would they create a special "farewell tab" on the sales page? The Mint always seems to be reaching, but never gives collectors the straight story.
Reminds me of the Saturday Night Live skit with Lily Tomlin as the telephone lady, "We're the phone company. We don't care, because we don't have to."
I knew it would happen.
No jmski52, no-one believes the first line employees of the Mint, and though the Mint has seemingly made a concerted effort to become accountable like every respected business, they continue to fail badly. A lot of work to be done in that arena., but the powers don't see it.