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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff - Nice group of V nicks. A set is in the offing.

    Pics for this AM, newp into Paesan's Stash, PC58:

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    Vern
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pics for this AM, newp into Doug's collection, PC58:

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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pics for this AM, newp from small show Sunday:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,430 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This 'un's another detector find.

    It was found on the same site where I got my most famous find, The Mysterious Ming Medallion. In fact, it was only a few feet away from where I found the medallion, and was dug in the same week.

    1894-O half. Not the purtiest, but lemme tell you, when a big piece of silver like that pops out of the plug of sod you've just cut, it's quite an adrenaline rush.

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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vern-

    I assume your most recent posting is a Barber Dime with the obverse redesigned, not a token with a Barber Dime replica reverse?

    Lord- I can imagine digging up old coins is always a thrill. It really looks like it would be a really fun hobby to pursue, but alas- no time. Maybe when I retire- I'm a terrible golfer. Save some for me!
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Neat stuff!
    More coins, less government.
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Jeff,

    You never see them in Half Dollar denominations, but
    the Dime is called a Love Token. It's an actual Barber
    Dime that was engraved for the engraver's sweetheart.


    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So if I understand correctly the sweetheart was only considered worth 10C, not 50C? I don't think that would sell well with my wife......
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And they say size doesn't matter....
    More coins, less government.
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LM - Sounds like a great hobby. Kind of like digging for the right coin on the bourse, but at better prices and with fresh air.

    Jeff - This sweetheart was F.M.W. I think.

    Mike - I've not seen a barber half love token either.

    Paesan - You're killing me. 10 cents went a lot farther then.

    Pics for this PM, my qtrs love tokens:

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    Vern
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pics for this AM, one of Walt's last acquisitions before he sold his set, PC58:

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    Vern
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pics for this AM, beautiful newp into Paesan's Stash, PC58:

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Vern,

    Love the two last Quarters you posted. Nice pick ups, Paesan.

    My "other set of eyes", Valente151, sent me a link to a coin on
    eBay that I had not found in my searches. Primarily because, the
    seller listed it as a Half Dollar and its a Quarter.

    Well, it's a stunner, Imho ... Let's see if I can post it off my iPad...
    ... I was able to post images directly from the iPad to the Barber
    Threads ATS & another coin related site. Let's try it here....
    { as suspected.... I can't add images here.... } Off to Photobucket
    in the morning.

    Ok...No Reverse Images - just a slabshot;

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    My 1892-P Type 2 Quarter was in need of an upgrading... this is a great fit.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike - Look forward to seeing pics. Congrats on the newp.

    Pics for this AM, tough grade for this one, newp into Paesan's Stash, care to guess the grade?

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    Vern
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    It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Personally, I'd rather guess where this 09-O came from. I have seen this coin before, and I can't remember where. Was it here ?
    Considering that I ( and a fair number of others ) search daily for this coin, I did not see it on eBay or another half dozen sites, &
    I have resigned myself to pick up a choice Fine/ Very Fine to fill the slot.

    Congratulations on locating yet another choice 09-O. ( My wag on the grade : 45 - 50, leaning towards the former .)



    EDIT: I knew I had seen that 1909-O Quarter in XF 45 before !!
    A friend had put me in touch with the owner - who sent it to me on
    approval. Upon close examination, I decided not to purchase it as there
    were two parallel lines on the OBV at the left of the Cap.
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    These lines do not show up in Vern's image. The image I have from the
    previous owner, shown them quite plainly. Enough so, that I didn't need
    any magnification to see them in hand.

    Also, the coin just didn't fit into my set of AU 53-58's. It looked out of
    place.


    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll go with an AU 50 on Lenny's '09 O 25C. It's a great looking coin!

    Change from the soda fountain at the Pharmacy? image
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    Labelman87Labelman87 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭✭
    Vern,

    Just reviewed the 1907-S Barber Quarter you posted and it is very nice example for the grade. When a quality high grade example arrives at market the competition will be interesting (assuming everyone interested has an opportunity to buy it).
    Craig


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    Labelman87Labelman87 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭✭
    The 1893-S Barber Quarter has a good home. image
    Craig


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    Labelman87Labelman87 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭✭
    Paesan's 1909-O rates an EF45. It will be interesting to see how California graded it.
    Craig


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    paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm quite fortunate to have another 09-O that looks so original. I've purchased this with a friend in mind that has quietly put together a nice little quarter set while flying under the radar. Assuming he approves it will be passed along, but if not, I'm glad to have it. Thanks, Glenn!

    Craig, Glad that 93-S is safe and sound. It's a beauty!

    Paesan
    More coins, less government.
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    dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice 09o quarter. image
    Funny how they move around.

    Then there's the sweet original XF that just sold on eBay bid up to $666.
    Problem is, it's a D listed as an O.
    Someone isn't going to be happy.
    We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

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    I wanted an upgrade to my Type 2 anyway - image
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike-

    Sweet coin! I often wondered why PCGS doesn't recognize the 1892 Type 1 & 2 reverses; anyone have a good explanation?
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To all - Paesan's latest 09-O was called 45 by our hosts.

    Dennis - You have your hand in lots of 09-O's. Amazing.

    Craig - It will be interesting if the right 07-S qtr comes along. Doug secured the one I posted from Heritage a few years back in an ICG-50 slab. Great eye on his part, I completely ignored it.
    And it's good that the 93-S has a good home.

    Jeff - If there was enough money to be made, they would recognize both types.

    Pics for this AM, another newp into Paesan's Stash, PC58:

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    Vern
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Mike-

    Sweet coin! I often wondered why PCGS doesn't recognize the 1892 Type 1 & 2 reverses; anyone have a good explanation? >>



    A good friend tried having some 1892 Proof Quarters certified with the Designations Type One and Type Two.
    Not one was designated. As Vern said, if there was money to be made in it, then they might offer the variety.
    I would think if you were willing to pay for a special submission - on the Variety Service - that they would
    designate the two 1892 Varieties. I have most if not all 1892 Varieties, some of which have the Variety listed.

    Thanks, Jeff.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the explanation on the 1892 25C varieties. I still find it odd that minor obscure barely noticeable varieties are available, but a significant die modification is ignored. Oh well, shows my inexperience.

    A new member of my set- a 1911 S PCGS AU 53:

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    This coin replaces a really nice PCGS XF 45 in my set, I've been looking for 2 years to upgrade this coin- the '11 S in upper grades appears to be a lot rarer than most would think.
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff - I agree with you about the lack of logic in what varieties are recognized. And congrats on the 11-S upgrade.

    Pics for this AM, good looking newp into Paesan's Stash. IMO a date that is tougher than it gets credit for, PC50:

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    Vern
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Couldn't agree with you more, Vern. The 1909-S in XF/AU is one of the true sleeper dates
    in the series. They are just not available and when they are, the price is thru the roof. I have
    yet to locate another AU - and have resorted to picking up a MS 64 ( from Glenn ).

    When Criag asked me to sell off his less than Mint State coins, there was a 1909-S in PCGS 58;
    it had bronze toning and it was intermingled with silver lusterous toning. In hand, the toning looked
    uniform, but the coin imaged terribly. I had three photographers image it. The coin looked mottled.
    No one was interested in it. Craig okay'd a price drop ( not once ) twice. Still no takers. I loved the
    coin in hand and should have bought it myself. Having just sold my Barber collection (et al) I decided
    against buying it. Take my word for it, another beautiful consignment of Quarters hits my doorstep,
    I'm keeping the whole lot.

    Anyone else have a similar experience with a non key date, that they consider a sleeper date ?
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the Half series I would put the '05 O and '11 S in XF to AU in that category. Try and find one and see how long it takes. I put my XF 45 '11S on eBay at a fairly steep price and it sold within a few hours.
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    paesanpaesan Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Patiently awaiting my report from Central States......
    More coins, less government.
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Jeff, you learned that the 11-S Half is not as plentiful as many suspect it is.
    I recently upgraded my VF 35 CAC with an AU 50 from Scott Mezzetti. I consigned
    my old coin with Glenn - and I am sure it's long gone.

    I also rank it right up there with "the 1905-O". Both of these two dates pale in
    comparison to the really difficult 1897-O in high circulated grades.

    Why do I feel one of our "Paesans" ( no specific Paesan inferred ) has a small
    hoard of this date. Should I ever locate another to upgrade my set, I'll take it
    to the grave with me someday. (JK)

    It's still a little early for a Central States show summary. The show only opened
    yesterday... The auctions have stolen the thunder of the show report so far.

    Vern and Doug must be having a field day, as the show is in their neck of the woods.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    On the 05-O:

    I think there is definitely some truth to what Darrell said a time back about people hoarding the 05-O. Over the last two weeks, I saw three different 05-O's come up on dealer dealer sites. All three were gone before the pictures even came up. And two of them were priced pretty heavily for the grade they were in IMO.
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Newps for the Srotag Collection -

    This set is fast becoming the # 1 set of all time...

    His newps:

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    Both POP TOPS - I especially like the 01-S !!


    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    Amazing enough I used to own the 1910 S dime and it is still beautiful. image
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike - Along with the 09-S, a barber qtr that falls under the radar and is really tough IMO is the 05-S.

    Jeff - I don't follow most of the barber halves, but am interested to hear that the 11-S is little known as a toughie.

    Congratulations to Srotag on the two purchases from the Lily Nicole collection. I viewed many of them, and liked the 01-S so much that I raised my card a couple of times even though super high grade coins are not my forte (or in my fiscal universe). That coin stood out IMO amongst the tougher date super gems.

    From a barber quarter perspective, the Central States show was a very poor show. I was not able to add anything to my AU/MS collection and saw virtually nothing in the way of keys or semi-keys, that hasn't been around for quite a while. The 97-S and 98-S's in 64 in DK's cases are the only exceptions that come to mind, and regulars of this thread will know of them (and in a positive way). In one of the most astounding cases of "buying the plastic" I've ever seen, a 14-S in PC58 was in the Heritage auction and brought $4230. Anyone who wants to know what that coin looked like in hand can PM me.

    In a once every five years or so occurance, a really neat raw set of Indian Cents (my other passion) came on the scene. I thought public attendance was lighter than usual, but enjoyed seeing several collector friends (Doug did well with adding some seated qtrs), and many quality dealers who do the national shows.

    Pics for this AM, my very recent cross to our hosts (thanks Paesan, who also went 4 for 4), now PC64:

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    Vern
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vern- a great looking quarter!

    A couple new Liberty Nickels for my "potential" set:

    First, a 1883 with CENTS PC AU53:

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    Next, a 1901 PC MS 64:

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    Both coins were purchased in their current holders.
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another addition to my set; a tougher date- PCGS 1915:

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    No, you didn't miss the grade above, it's time to play GUESS THE GRADE!!!
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Jeff.... I grade it AU/MS......

    I'll stab at it: MS 63 ? Interesting toning.
    I like it.

    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bought this in Germany the other day. Will shoot better pics when I get it in hand...
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Jeff.... I grade it AU/MS....../q]

    First hint- it is either an AU or an MS; Mike nailed that! image
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another addition to my set; a tougher date- PCGS 1915:

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    No, you didn't miss the grade above, it's time to play GUESS THE GRADE!!! >>



    My 1st impression from your picture is AU-55....though it wouldn't surprise me if it was a 1 or a 2. Still trying to learn to interpret your pictures! image
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    barberkeysbarberkeys Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff - I think your nickel set is a reality, past the point of potential. I'll guess 62 on your '15 half toughie. Congrats on its acquisition.

    Boosibri - Neat coin to find in Germany.

    Pics for this AM, newp into Paesan's Stach, NGC58:

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    Vern
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    LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    Paesan - awesome coin

    Boosibri - Pretty sweet coin to find in Germany. Although I remember a thread recently where you stated Barbers a common to find in Europe. Which isn't all that hard to believe given the immigration of the time period.

    Jeff - Knowing you like 58's, it's hard not to choose that. But I say 62.
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Jeff.... I grade it AU/MS....../q]

    First hint- it is either an AU or an MS; Mike nailed that! image >>




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    Ok... Now that I have looked at it with a quizzical eye, the top feather of the Left Facing side of the Eagle
    shows a trace of wear... More so than an AU 58 might have (IMHO) .... so, I'm adjusting my "stab" guess to AU 55,
    from my original guess of (other than AU/MS ) of MS 63.

    I have always thought Darrell was overly conservative with images - but he got me to rethink my Stab Guess.
    I still like the coin, however.

    PAESAN,
    Based on the images of the 12-D Half, I disagree with the grade NGC placed on that coin ( as attractive as it may be ).
    Far too much wear/rub on the left facing top feather. It's a 55, IMHO

    LogPotato,

    I agree with your assessment, many contemporary coins were sent to Germany during the time period
    that the Barber design was in production. It seems as though this area of Europe produced more farmers
    ( and what farmer isn't a hard worker ?) who could have afforded to send back to the Vaterland a souvenir
    .... I myself have an 1852-O Half Dime that my Dad found in Germany inside a desk in his command post
    during WW-II. Nice pick up Boosibri.

    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Time for the GUESS THE GRADE reveal:

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    As you likely figured out I only post Guess the Grade when it's a tough one. It's tough to say if there's any real wear on this coin or not. The listing photos looked like there might be a little wear; I think mine do as well. I bought the coin thinking it might be a potential 58 crackout, but seeing the coin in hand tells me it's a 62.

    Vern & Logpotato, congrats on properly grading the coin! image
    I love them Barber Halves.....
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    daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Vern, great pics sorry I couldn't make the Central States as usual things came up.

    I need a little help from the slab experts. I bought this coin below in a PCGS AU 55 holder, I really like the looks of the coin in hand but there is some damage to reverse side of the holder. It looks as if it were ground out but I see no other damage and the coin does not appear to be tampered with. Could this be something that happened while it was being sealed, has anyone ever seen this before.



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    Thanks,

    Dave
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    LogPotatoLogPotato Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭
    Dave, I have seen that on three holders. All of them came out of auctions at HA. Not claiming they did it, but it is a weird coincidence.
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    daveyndaveyn Posts: 150 ✭✭
    Thanks for the quick reply, it really doesn't appear to have any other damage, maybe it is something they have done accidentally at auction.

    I really like the coin, and it fits well in my set:


    NEWP



    not real good with the camera yet have trouble with capturing luster.

    I did hear from the seller, offered to pay for re-holder, or refund payment, I guess there would be no problem with a re-holder.


    Dave
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Dave,

    Based on how these fragile pieces of plastic are treated by collectors and dealers alike
    I am surprised there isn't more damage to the holders. The thin "fin like" edge of the
    PCGS holder takes a lot of damage if it's mishandled. You're lucky the seller is replacing
    the holder for you.

    I sent some coins in for Regrade before I sold them off in August 2011 and most were sent to CAC ... One coin did not hit my
    reserve - [ a 1901 Half in PCGS MS 64+ and was returned to me but with the addition of a one inch scratch on the holder ] and
    one of the disturbing things is, the holder was brand new - the coin was CAC'D - the coin was imaged in the Heritage Auction with
    the scratch. It looked as if the scratch could've been on the coin ... possibly why it did not sell. Regardless, I had the coin reholdered
    and reCac'd ... now, it's one of my favorite Barbers. I may never sell it now. That scratch cost me close to $100 with fees and insurance.

    As I said, people don't treat slabs gently... No one pays any attention to the fact that the holder is pristine or scuffed up.
    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
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    JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mike- I agree about the holders getting scuffed up. It seems every coin I buy in a holder is full of scuff marks partially obscuring the coin. Even coins in the new type PCGS holders (15 months old or less) arrive all scuffed up. I need to spend a bunch of time with each 2nd hand slab I receive polishing the holder to remove the scuffs so I can photograph it. In fact, in my last returned submission from PCGS I received c=a coin back in a holder that was all scuffed up. Aren't they supposed to have a QA process to prevent this?

    Another new purchase, this time a raw 1900 50C:

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    It looks like a MS 61 in my opinion; any other thoughts? I'll be sending it off to PCGS for grading in a week or two.
    I love them Barber Halves.....

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