on the 1858 in MS69: It does not appear to have been purchased in an auction. Where does he find these great specimens?
Me. I sold him that coin in 2016. When you are a known buyer with big customers stuff does tend to come to you. Like the knucklehead i am I just passed on the 1878 8TF PCGS PR67 Cameo-and BOOM! Delloy snagged it. He paid a lot for it. BUT it was an irreplaceable great coin.
@Currin said:
I was browsing the update page. Hansen has 213 sets with recent upgrades. He has 777 sets listed. I find it a pain just keeping a handful of sets up to date. What kind of effort does it take to keep his collection updated?
Probably a full-time job for someone...
It's actually quite simple. Keep the 1 single set going (U.S. Complete gold and silver with major varieties 1792-date) and all the other sets will follow suit. You complete that set and every set will get completed as you add coins.
He set a new milestone last night. With this weekend additions and updates, he now need 25 coins to complete the registery 1792 to 1964 set. There are 14 additional coins that he will need to have a “real” complete set. Therefore, he is down to 39 for having one of every date and mint.
@specialist said:
on the 1858 in MS69: It does not appear to have been purchased in an auction. Where does he find these great specimens?
Me. I sold him that coin in 2016. When you are a known buyer with big customers stuff does tend to come to you. Like the knucklehead i am I just passed on the 1878 8TF PCGS PR67 Cameo-and BOOM! Delloy snagged it. He paid a lot for it. BUT it was an irreplaceable great coin.
That is a monster coin. Where did you find such a thing. Do you have a flux coil?
COUNTDOWN 37
With purchases and additions this week, the completion of a US date and mint set is down to 37 coins. There were two common specimens added, 1832 Quarter Eagle (approx. 132 survival) and 1869-S Half Dime (approx. 250 survival). The big addition is the Mickley-Hawn 1804 Original Class I. The 1804 Dollar is the sixth "Famous" coin added to the collection, with only 4 remaining: 1913 5C, 1894-S 10C, 1838-O 50C, 1885 T$1. I wonder which one will be next.
Looks like the 1832 quarter eagle photo is not up on his registry page yet.
I was curious about the "10 Famous" list. It is defined as "collectible", essentially 5-20 known.
1913 Liberty Head Nickel – five known.
1894-S Barber Dime – eleven known.
1876-CC Twenty Cent Piece – less than 20 known.
1838-O Half Dollar – about a dozen known.
1804 Bust Dollar – eight Originals, seven Restrikes.
1870-S Seated Liberty Dollar – nine known.
1885 Trade Dollar – five known.
Coiled Hair "Stella" (1879 or 1880) – 10-12 known of each.
1907 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle – 20 known.
1927-D $20 – just over a dozen known.
@Currin said:
... There are 14 additional coins that he will need to have a “real” complete set. ...
Excellent point.
Some of these are the coins with 1 known which are not in this registry list, such as the 1870-s half dime and the 1873-CC no arrows dime.
The 1873-CC no arrows quarter is in the registry list, 4 known.
The 1804 dollar was one of the 14. Now, there are only 13 additional coins needed not the registry set.
COUNTDOWN 36
The new number is 36. Some where along the way I missed the proof specimen for the 1829 $5 Large Size PR64. What a great specimen it is, being The Garrett Specimen graded as PR64. It carries the CAC sticker. It last appeared in a 2012 Heritage auction where it sold for $1,380,000. This is the finest PCGS graded proof.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
He has already knocked several of my sets down, but I do have some variety sets where he is having trouble catching me.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
He has already knocked several of my sets down, but I do have some variety sets where he is having trouble catching me.
This is probably best suited for a PM, but thank you DIMEMAN, you just said it more diplomatically than I did. I wish the guy the best but I won't back down. You're right.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
He has already knocked several of my sets down, but I do have some variety sets where he is having trouble catching me.
This is probably best suited for a PM, but thank you DIMEMAN, you just said it more diplomatically than I did. I wish the guy the best but I won't back down. You're right.
Also, read Boosibri's post in the thread "Who's the best collector of all time." You get it, he gets it, and I think I do too. I stand in good company with just you two and I don't care about what some people say.
@Hydrant said:
Also, read Boosibri's post in the thread "Who's the best collector of all time." You get it, he gets it, and I think I do too. I stand in good company with just you two and I don't care about what some people say.
I'll take that as a complement and I'm sure Boosibri will also.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
Same reason I opened it, I was recently diagnosed with Hansen's disease ? I don't know much about it , and this thread hasn't enlightened me either. It sounds like fun though , I'm sure I'll be fine
I have a warm feeling about Mr. Hansen. I was able to purchase his cast-off 1838-P quarter eagle which completed my Classic Head set. Now he's #1 and I'm #2 on the registry.
It's kind of like the relationship the New York Yankees and the Kansas City Athletics had in the late 1950s and early 60s. The Yankees traded their older players and the guys who didn't quite for in with their plans to the A's for players who helped them win championships. Roger Maris was one of those players. But at #2, I'm doing better that the A's!
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
one thing I like that he has done is he has quietly upgraded some coins that are not particularly famous or well known. He could have stayed with his original coin but has improved where possible.
@Gazes said:
one thing I like that he has done is he has quietly upgraded some coins that are not particularly famous or well known. He could have stayed with his original coin but has improved where possible.
This is a new upgrade along these lines. This is a common date $5 Liberty Gold. The upgrade is a MS67 with POP of 1/0 that turns out to be a breakout coin. Prior this coin, there was grouping of PCGS MS66 and a couple of NGC MS67. Now, this is the sole MS67. It was won in a Legend Rare Coin Auction that realized $18,800 on 5/17/2018. Legends describe the coin this way:
Legend Auctions is proud to offer the SOLE FINEST 1898 half eagle graded at PCGS! This coin is frosty with a satiny sheen all over. The surfaces are smooth and show only the most microscopic ticks that you need a very powerful loupe to locate. Every detail is exquisite in its execution! This coin has never sold in auction, and even the last time an NGC coin sold was nearly seven years ago! This is a very important opportunity for any half eagle collectors--a chance to own the FINEST 1898 $5! The current Collector's Universe value is listed at $30,000. Good luck!
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
And if I had wings, I could fly. I am pretty sure he doesn't care about your collection of dime varieties.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
And if I had wings, I could fly. I am pretty sure he doesn't care about your collection of dime varieties.
Yes....he is about as interested in my Dimes as I am about your opinion on anything.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
And if I had wings, I could fly. I am pretty sure he doesn't care about your collection of dime varieties.
Well, he did try to go after the 1958 Lincoln Cent ddo, didnt he? Bailed at around $300,000 if I am not mistaken.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Dimeman
You have put together some great sets through a lot of searching and enjoyment. Not very different than I did putting my Levoi sets together. But i don't see that as a reason to begrudge Hansen or TDN or Mr Simpson their elite sets or argue that things are easier for them.
I believe they all worked very hard to have the wealth to play in their deep end of the pool. And we benefit if indirectly from having these collectors.
Anyway, I am enjoying watching Mr. Hansen get close to Eliasberg. Never thought it could happen.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
@breakdown said:
Dimeman
You have put together some great sets through a lot of searching and enjoyment. Not very different than I did putting my Levoi sets together. But i don't see that as a reason to begrudge Hansen or TDN or Mr Simpson their elite sets or argue that things are easier for them.
I believe they all worked very hard to have the wealth to play in their deep end of the pool. And we benefit if indirectly from having these collectors.
Anyway, I am enjoying watching Mr. Hansen get close to Eliasberg. Never thought it could happen.
I have never begrudged or at least I didn't intend to those you mentioned. All I ever said and meant is that it would be much easier to collect high end coins if a person had deep pockets than circ coins on a budget.
For example you could put together aMS 65-67 set of Barber Halves in a year.....if all you had to do is find them and had the $$$. Try finding that set in AU55-58 on a budget. This is all I am saying.
@breakdown said:
Dimeman
You have put together some great sets through a lot of searching and enjoyment. Not very different than I did putting my Levoi sets together. But i don't see that as a reason to begrudge Hansen or TDN or Mr Simpson their elite sets or argue that things are easier for them.
I believe they all worked very hard to have the wealth to play in their deep end of the pool. And we benefit if indirectly from having these collectors.
Anyway, I am enjoying watching Mr. Hansen get close to Eliasberg. Never thought it could happen.
I have never begrudged or at least I didn't intend to those you mentioned. All I ever said and meant is that it would be much easier to collect high end coins if a person had deep pockets than circ coins on a budget.
For example you could put together aMS 65-67 set of Barber Halves in a year.....if all you had to do is find them and had the $$$. Try finding that set in AU55-58 on a budget. This is all I am saying.
Everything is harder on a budget. Everything takes longer on a budget.
More interestingly, consider how far you would get building the set of dimes if you had unlimited money and only two years to find the coins.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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@tradedollarnut said:
Is that the incomplete registry set or the true Eliasberg complete set?
23 for the incomplete registry set, 36 for the true Eliasberg complete set.
Maybe minus one for the 1870-s half dime that Eliasberg didn't know about.
I seem to recall Legend offering the 1870-s half Dime not that long ago. I'm surprised Hansen didn't grab it. Ex Simpson IIRC. Maybe @tradedollarnut can recall and hook Hansen up with it.
The 70S Half Dime went from the Law Collection which was sold to Simpson. he sold the whole collection via Legend to an east coast collector. Good luck to Delloy getting it out of there. It was never really offered as a single by us.
This is a new addition to the proof set that I believe worthy of mentioning, This 1873 $10 Closed 3, PR65 Cameo has the honor of being the finest. PCGS price at $130,000. I do not know the history of this coin. It must be a recently upgraded coin due the fact that it is not presently listed in Coin Facts. The coin is listed on Aspen Park Rare Coins website, but shows ON HOLD. Aspen had it price for $140,000, but I am assuming some negotiations took place. This is the coin description provide by Aspen:
RARE: 12-15 Known. Pop:1, finest. A full point finer than the NON CAM and the DCAM. Beautiful, Black and white CAMEO. Frosty surfaces contrast VERY Deeply mirrored fields. Right on the border of Deep CAM designation. Never traded publicly.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
And if I had wings, I could fly. I am pretty sure he doesn't care about your collection of dime varieties.
Well, he did try to go after the 1958 Lincoln Cent ddo, didnt he? Bailed at around $300,000 if I am not mistaken.
I think this means everyone has price. I am not surprise.
@Hydrant said:
I admit it. I'm a contrarian. I have no interest what so ever about what Mr. Hansen is up too. Money talks. People scramble for it. It's as old as time itself. Big deal. I wish him luck. I just don't care a wit about him, his coins, or his bucks.
Why would someone who doesn't "care a whit about him, his coins, or his bucks" even open a thread here headed Hansen Watch ? ! ? !
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
And if I had wings, I could fly. I am pretty sure he doesn't care about your collection of dime varieties.
Well, he did try to go after the 1958 Lincoln Cent ddo, didnt he? Bailed at around $300,000 if I am not mistaken.
I think this means everyone has price. I am not surprise.
I guess 300,000 is a lot to pay for a penny......even for a muti-billionaire.
@Currin said:
I was browsing the update page. Hansen has 213 sets with recent upgrades. He has 777 sets listed. I find it a pain just keeping a handful of sets up to date. What kind of effort does it take to keep his collection updated?
Probably a full-time job for someone...
Well, you wouldn't believe it, but there are 3 of us that somewhat manage the sets. Primarily Dell enters the coins to his sets. It's one of his favorite parts of collecting, but on occasion we get the honor of adding them.
Now, it's my job to curate the sets (making sure everything is there, adding, subtracting, and keeping things in order). Could it be a full time job to manage these sets? YES. But, it's an honor to assist with it and we're having a blast. I spent several days visiting the coins this week doing my part and the days are long, but educational and most importantly, fun!
John Brush President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com email: John@davidlawrence.com 2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
@Currin said:
If you filter on the grade column, it will sort all the blank fields first. This will give you a listing of the missing coins in order.
For the circulation strikes, this yields 24 coins at present (and dropping): Circulation Strikes missing, on Basic Registry list
X 1959 1C [easy - maybe a typo / temporarily missing from database during update - since fixed - see John Brush's post below!]
X 1802 H10C [only 7 known in "AU" (actually VF-EF); several others in very low grades]
X 1849-O 25C
X 1873-CC 25C No Arrows [5 known]
X 1796 $2-1/2 Stars
X 1798 $2-1/2
X 1840-D $2-1/2
X 1841-D $2-1/2
X 1854-D $2-1/2
X 1856-D $2-1/2
X 1857-D $2-1/2
X 1864 $2-1/2 (set has a Proof)
1798 $5 Small Eagle [5 known]
X 1797 $5 Large Eagle
X 1819 $5
1822 $5 [3 known, 1 in Pogue collection, 2 in Smithsonian]
X 1829 $5 Large Size (set has a Proof)
X 1846-C $5
X 1854-S $5 [was 3 known, 1 in Pogue collection, but a 4th was authenticated recently] https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/998024/find-of-a-lifetime-collector-finds-fourth-known-1854-s-5-and-authenticated-ats/p1
X 1856-O $5
X 1861-S $5
X 1864-S $5
X 1875 $10 (set has a Proof)
X 1933 $10
[Several of the above have around 10 known and/or few in high grade.]
How do I generate a list of the other 13 coins that are not in the above registry set list, but belong in the Eliasberg complete set? Circulation Strikes missing, not on Basic Registry list
1870-S H10C [1 known, but not known to Eliasberg at the time, so it should not count in the comparison]
1873-CC 10C No Arrows [1 known]
X 1894-S 10C [11 known; sometimes listed as a Proof, but not in the Proof Registry list]
1870-S $3 [1 known; in Harry Bass Foundation collection]
1933 $20 [1 legal to own; Eliasberg had one, but surrendered it in 1952 when it became illegal, so this should probably not count in the comparison]
Here is a link to D.L. Hansen's Complete "Basic" Proof registry set - a huge challenge, but he is amazingly already at 69.9%: https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/complete-sets/master-sets/u-s-coins-complete-basic-set-proof-1801-1964/publishedset/152271
For example, the following coins are proof-only, so they are not on the "Circulation Strikes" registry list.
They do belong in the "Eliasberg complete set by date and mintmark, circulation or proof" list. Proof-only, on Basic Registry list
X 1836 half cent (restrike - Registry list only has Originals, but either qualifies)
X 1840 half cent (restrike)
X 1841 half cent
X 1842 half cent (restrike)
X 1843 half cent
X 1844 half cent (restrike)
X 1845 half cent (restrike)
X 1846 half cent
X 1847 half cent (restrike)
X 1848 half cent
X 1852 half cent
X 1873 2c
X 1873 3c Silver
X 1877 3c CN
X 1878 3c CN
X 1877 20c
X 1878 20c
1827 25c [9 known]
X 1804 bust dollar
X 1858 seated dollar
X 1878 trade dollar
X 1879 trade dollar
X 1880 trade dollar
X 1881 trade dollar
X 1882 trade dollar
X 1883 trade dollar
X 1884 trade dollar
X 1885 trade dollar [5 known]
X 1895 S$1
X 1841 $2.50 [12 known - PCGS currently considers some of these to be business strikes]
X 1863 $2.50
X 1875 $3
X 1876 $3
X 1887 $5
X 1883 $20
X 1884 $20
X 1887 $20
Proof-only, not on Basic Registry list
1913 Liberty 5C [5 known]
1838-O half dollar [10 known]
X 1836 Gobrecht dollar
X 1838 Gobrecht dollar
1839 Gobrecht dollar [currently listed by PCGS only as proofs, but the most recent research shows the J-104 originals were business strikes; later J-104 restrikes were proofs]
X 1879 $4 Flowing Hair
X 1879 $4 Coiled Hair
1880 $4 Flowing Hair
1880 $4 Coiled Hair [about 9 known]
@Currin said:
If you filter on the grade column, it will sort all the blank fields first. This will give you a listing of the missing coins in order.
For the circulation strikes, this yields 24 coins at present:
1959 1C [easy - maybe a typo]
Proof that I did something today! We replaced the 1959 Lincoln in the set...
John Brush President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com email: John@davidlawrence.com 2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
The reality of the day to day work by Mr. Hansen and those he has enlisted to help him reach his goals would be interesting to know. There is only some much time in a day that an individual can devote to "the hunt". I expect that Mr. Hansen is very busy with all aspects of his life and that at best he can spend only 1 or 2 hours a day on this collecting endeavor himself. Thus he has enlisted the aid of others to help him reach his goal. With others involved, there must be communication on a daily basis between Mr. Hansen and those who are helping him. Opportunities arise and can disappear unless they are acted upon quickly. Evaluations of the suitability of desired coins that appear for sale must be made, discussions with Mr. Hansen about available coins and whether to make a purchase offer or not must take place and if a deal is struck the work needed to perform the deal (payment and obtaining possession of the coin] must be done. Once a new purchase is completed the newly acquired coin must be cataloged, documented, submitted to PCGS for grading (i.e. a raw purchase or a crossover from another TPG) and stored.
Further, with the large number of coins that comprise the set(s) that Mr. Hansen desires to acquire, how likely is it that he can spend time viewing, holding, studying and appreciating each individual coin or even series of coins? Particularly given that his time is likely tied up with non hobby related demands. Is it possible or even likely that once acquired the individual coins are simply stored away with the others and that Mr. Hansen does not look at his collection more than once or twice per year?
It also may be that Mr. Hansen does devote a significant amount of hands on time in the trenches working on reaching his goal and on viewing, holding and studying each individual coin.
Perhaps when he reaches his goal he will write an article or a book that tells the story of him setting his goal, working towards it and reaching it, including what his motivation is for doing so.
Kudos to Mr. Hansen and best of luck to him. His efforts do make the hobby enjoyable for fellow hobbyists.
Further, with the large number of coins that comprise the set(s) that Mr. Hansen desires to acquire, how likely is it that he can spend time viewing, holding, studying and appreciating each individual coin or even series of coins? Particularly given that his time is likely tied up with non hobby related demands. Is it possible or even likely that once acquired the individual coins are simply stored away with the others and that Mr. Hansen does not look at his collection more than once or twice per year?
That's the downside of having a large and valuable collection. It's not a replacement for having the coins in hand (or holder, which is also a downside), but I've found digital to be somewhat satisfying and I can look at my coins several times a week.
My favorite numismatic literature is about collectors and how they built their collections. Would love to read the story from start to finish about the Hansen collection.
This collection has 35 coins remaining to equal and then pass the True Eliasberg Complete (TEC) set. As most of you know, the TEC set comprised of both proof and circulated coins. So in comparison, this collection could be either or, I posted the 1829 $5 Large Size PR64 a few days ago. There are two more proofs that has been obtained over the journey that needs to be counted. These are coins the True Hansen Complete (THC) set has in proof, but not circulated. Both are not required, but I would not doubt THC set will eventually have both.
The proof specimen is the 1875 $10, Cameo PR63CA. POP 1/1. What a great specimen it is, being Ex: Dunham, Farouk, Norweb Specimen graded as PR63CA. It last appeared in a April 2017 Heritage auction where it sold for $193,875. I am assuming the THC set owner made this purchase. Comments from the HA listing: "_ We believe this to be the first auction appearance of this storied and rare specimen since 1991. The strike is full, and field-device contrast is dramatic. As the grade suggests, there are a few hairlines in the fields. A small alloy spot on Liberty's neck and a couple of minor field marks near star 4 serve as reliable pedigree markers. As the Norweb catalog stated: "In a way, the minute grade differences are not necessarily important for this issue, for in any grade the 1875 is a fantastic rarity."_
1875 $10, Cameo PR63CA
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The second proof specimen is the 1864 $2.50, Deep Cameo PR66DC. The coin is From The Dale Friend Collection. It last appeared in a January 2017 Heritage auction where it sold for $82,250. Again, I am assuming the THC set owner made this purchase. Comments from the HA listing: "This spectacular Premium Gem exhibits the diagnostic high date, placed left and slanting down from left to right, with a chipped serif on the 1. The left base of the 1 is over the left edge of a dentil and the right base of the 4 is over the right edge of a dentil. The reverse was apparently struck from a new working die, with lighter letters than the previous issues. The design elements display razor-sharp definition throughout. The devices are richly frosted, creating intense cameo contrast with the deeply reflective fields. The vivid orange-gold surfaces are impeccably preserved and eye appeal is tremendous.."
1864 $2.50, DC PR66DC …. WARNING: Don't stare at this coin,
Comments
on the 1858 in MS69: It does not appear to have been purchased in an auction. Where does he find these great specimens?
Me. I sold him that coin in 2016. When you are a known buyer with big customers stuff does tend to come to you. Like the knucklehead i am I just passed on the 1878 8TF PCGS PR67 Cameo-and BOOM! Delloy snagged it. He paid a lot for it. BUT it was an irreplaceable great coin.
It's actually quite simple. Keep the 1 single set going (U.S. Complete gold and silver with major varieties 1792-date) and all the other sets will follow suit. You complete that set and every set will get completed as you add coins.
Later, Paul.
He set a new milestone last night. With this weekend additions and updates, he now need 25 coins to complete the registery 1792 to 1964 set. There are 14 additional coins that he will need to have a “real” complete set. Therefore, he is down to 39 for having one of every date and mint.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
That is a monster coin. Where did you find such a thing. Do you have a flux coil?
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
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With purchases and additions this week, the completion of a US date and mint set is down to 37 coins. There were two common specimens added, 1832 Quarter Eagle (approx. 132 survival) and 1869-S Half Dime (approx. 250 survival). The big addition is the Mickley-Hawn 1804 Original Class I. The 1804 Dollar is the sixth "Famous" coin added to the collection, with only 4 remaining: 1913 5C, 1894-S 10C, 1838-O 50C, 1885 T$1. I wonder which one will be next.
Mickley-Hawn 1804 Original Class I
1869-S Half Dime MS65
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Looks like the 1832 quarter eagle photo is not up on his registry page yet.
I was curious about the "10 Famous" list. It is defined as "collectible", essentially 5-20 known.
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/u-s-coins/famous-u-s-coins/ten-most-famous-united-states-ultra-rarities/978
Excellent point.
Some of these are the coins with 1 known which are not in this registry list, such as the 1870-s half dime and the 1873-CC no arrows dime.
The 1873-CC no arrows quarter is in the registry list, 5 known.
Maybe it would be in a "11 Famous" list. Or maybe it should replace the 1927-D $20?
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/complete-sets/master-sets/u-s-coins-complete-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1792-1964/alltimeset/149665
Could you post a list of these 14 (now 13)?
Probably several of them are in the "100 Greatest" list (but some of those are patterns and proofs):
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/u-s-coins/famous-u-s-coins/100-greatest-u-s-coins/alltimeset/151812
@yosclimber said:
The 1804 dollar was one of the 14. Now, there are only 13 additional coins needed not the registry set.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Is that the incomplete registry set or the true Eliasberg complete set?
I still say Pcgs is missing a huge marketing opportunity by not creating the true, complete set so we all can follow it along with the public
23 for the incomplete registry set, 36 for the true Eliasberg complete set.
Maybe minus one for the 1870-s half dime that Eliasberg didn't know about.
COUNTDOWN 36
The new number is 36. Some where along the way I missed the proof specimen for the 1829 $5 Large Size PR64. What a great specimen it is, being The Garrett Specimen graded as PR64. It carries the CAC sticker. It last appeared in a 2012 Heritage auction where it sold for $1,380,000. This is the finest PCGS graded proof.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I understand where Hydrant is coming from. My collection was/is way harder to do than Hansen's. If I had his money I could pass him.
He has already knocked several of my sets down, but I do have some variety sets where he is having trouble catching me.
anyone know a general estimate of the value of his collection?
The last I heard and who knows how accurate that it is...…...300-400 Million spent.
This is probably best suited for a PM, but thank you DIMEMAN, you just said it more diplomatically than I did. I wish the guy the best but I won't back down. You're right.
Also, read Boosibri's post in the thread "Who's the best collector of all time." You get it, he gets it, and I think I do too. I stand in good company with just you two and I don't care about what some people say.
I'll take that as a complement and I'm sure Boosibri will also.
Happiness is liking what you have.
Same reason I opened it, I was recently diagnosed with Hansen's disease ? I don't know much about it , and this thread hasn't enlightened me either. It sounds like fun though , I'm sure I'll be fine
I have a warm feeling about Mr. Hansen. I was able to purchase his cast-off 1838-P quarter eagle which completed my Classic Head set. Now he's #1 and I'm #2 on the registry.
It's kind of like the relationship the New York Yankees and the Kansas City Athletics had in the late 1950s and early 60s. The Yankees traded their older players and the guys who didn't quite for in with their plans to the A's for players who helped them win championships. Roger Maris was one of those players. But at #2, I'm doing better that the A's!
one thing I like that he has done is he has quietly upgraded some coins that are not particularly famous or well known. He could have stayed with his original coin but has improved where possible.
This is a new upgrade along these lines. This is a common date $5 Liberty Gold. The upgrade is a MS67 with POP of 1/0 that turns out to be a breakout coin. Prior this coin, there was grouping of PCGS MS66 and a couple of NGC MS67. Now, this is the sole MS67. It was won in a Legend Rare Coin Auction that realized $18,800 on 5/17/2018. Legends describe the coin this way:
Legend Auctions is proud to offer the SOLE FINEST 1898 half eagle graded at PCGS! This coin is frosty with a satiny sheen all over. The surfaces are smooth and show only the most microscopic ticks that you need a very powerful loupe to locate. Every detail is exquisite in its execution! This coin has never sold in auction, and even the last time an NGC coin sold was nearly seven years ago! This is a very important opportunity for any half eagle collectors--a chance to own the FINEST 1898 $5! The current Collector's Universe value is listed at $30,000. Good luck!
$5 1898 PCGS MS67
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
And if I had wings, I could fly. I am pretty sure he doesn't care about your collection of dime varieties.
Yes....he is about as interested in my Dimes as I am about your opinion on anything.
Well, he did try to go after the 1958 Lincoln Cent ddo, didnt he? Bailed at around $300,000 if I am not mistaken.
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Dimeman
You have put together some great sets through a lot of searching and enjoyment. Not very different than I did putting my Levoi sets together. But i don't see that as a reason to begrudge Hansen or TDN or Mr Simpson their elite sets or argue that things are easier for them.
I believe they all worked very hard to have the wealth to play in their deep end of the pool. And we benefit if indirectly from having these collectors.
Anyway, I am enjoying watching Mr. Hansen get close to Eliasberg. Never thought it could happen.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
I have never begrudged or at least I didn't intend to those you mentioned. All I ever said and meant is that it would be much easier to collect high end coins if a person had deep pockets than circ coins on a budget.
For example you could put together aMS 65-67 set of Barber Halves in a year.....if all you had to do is find them and had the $$$. Try finding that set in AU55-58 on a budget. This is all I am saying.
And what does a 1958 DDO Lincoln Cent have to do with dime-a-dozen microscopic dime varieties?
Everything is harder on a budget. Everything takes longer on a budget.
More interestingly, consider how far you would get building the set of dimes if you had unlimited money and only two years to find the coins.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
You have no knowledge of die varieties and that niche market, I presume.
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
It would be cool if Registry sets could be viewed in three filtered formats: Entire Set, Owned Coins, Missing Coins.
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Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I seem to recall Legend offering the 1870-s half Dime not that long ago. I'm surprised Hansen didn't grab it. Ex Simpson IIRC. Maybe @tradedollarnut can recall and hook Hansen up with it.
The 70S Half Dime went from the Law Collection which was sold to Simpson. he sold the whole collection via Legend to an east coast collector. Good luck to Delloy getting it out of there. It was never really offered as a single by us.
Mr. Hansen cares about mercury varieties. He just bought my ms62 1941 DDO. Pop 4/1
Those hard to find Dime varieties are not a dime a dozen. jerseycat is a clueless troublemaker and nothing else.
I sold him a 1941 ddo in au58 several months ago. This shows he IS into the dime varieties enough to not only fill a slot, but upgrade when available.
And he found the time to pm me back when I told him I was humbled and proud my dime was in his set!
Of course he upgraded mine already.
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NEW PROOF ADDITION
This is a new addition to the proof set that I believe worthy of mentioning, This 1873 $10 Closed 3, PR65 Cameo has the honor of being the finest. PCGS price at $130,000. I do not know the history of this coin. It must be a recently upgraded coin due the fact that it is not presently listed in Coin Facts. The coin is listed on Aspen Park Rare Coins website, but shows ON HOLD. Aspen had it price for $140,000, but I am assuming some negotiations took place. This is the coin description provide by Aspen:
RARE: 12-15 Known. Pop:1, finest. A full point finer than the NON CAM and the DCAM. Beautiful, Black and white CAMEO. Frosty surfaces contrast VERY Deeply mirrored fields. Right on the border of Deep CAM designation. Never traded publicly.
1873 $10 Closed 3, CA PR65CA
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
If you filter on the grade column, it will sort all the blank fields first. This will give you a listing of the missing coins in order.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I think this means everyone has price. I am not surprise.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
I guess 300,000 is a lot to pay for a penny......even for a muti-billionaire.
Well, you wouldn't believe it, but there are 3 of us that somewhat manage the sets. Primarily Dell enters the coins to his sets. It's one of his favorite parts of collecting, but on occasion we get the honor of adding them.
Now, it's my job to curate the sets (making sure everything is there, adding, subtracting, and keeping things in order). Could it be a full time job to manage these sets? YES. But, it's an honor to assist with it and we're having a blast. I spent several days visiting the coins this week doing my part and the days are long, but educational and most importantly, fun!
President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
email: John@davidlawrence.com
2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
For the circulation strikes, this yields 24 coins at present (and dropping):
Circulation Strikes missing, on Basic Registry list
X 1959 1C [easy - maybe a typo / temporarily missing from database during update - since fixed - see John Brush's post below!]
X 1802 H10C [only 7 known in "AU" (actually VF-EF); several others in very low grades]
X 1849-O 25C
X 1873-CC 25C No Arrows [5 known]
X 1796 $2-1/2 Stars
X 1798 $2-1/2
X 1840-D $2-1/2
X 1841-D $2-1/2
X 1854-D $2-1/2
X 1856-D $2-1/2
X 1857-D $2-1/2
X 1864 $2-1/2 (set has a Proof)
1798 $5 Small Eagle [5 known]
X 1797 $5 Large Eagle
X 1819 $5
1822 $5 [3 known, 1 in Pogue collection, 2 in Smithsonian]
X 1829 $5 Large Size (set has a Proof)
X 1846-C $5
X 1854-S $5 [was 3 known, 1 in Pogue collection, but a 4th was authenticated recently] https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/998024/find-of-a-lifetime-collector-finds-fourth-known-1854-s-5-and-authenticated-ats/p1
X 1856-O $5
X 1861-S $5
X 1864-S $5
X 1875 $10 (set has a Proof)
X 1933 $10
[Several of the above have around 10 known and/or few in high grade.]
How do I generate a list of the other 13 coins that are not in the above registry set list, but belong in the Eliasberg complete set?
Circulation Strikes missing, not on Basic Registry list
1870-S H10C [1 known, but not known to Eliasberg at the time, so it should not count in the comparison]
1873-CC 10C No Arrows [1 known]
X 1894-S 10C [11 known; sometimes listed as a Proof, but not in the Proof Registry list]
1870-S $3 [1 known; in Harry Bass Foundation collection]
1933 $20 [1 legal to own; Eliasberg had one, but surrendered it in 1952 when it became illegal, so this should probably not count in the comparison]
Here is a link to D.L. Hansen's Complete "Basic" Proof registry set - a huge challenge, but he is amazingly already at 69.9%:
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/complete-sets/master-sets/u-s-coins-complete-basic-set-proof-1801-1964/publishedset/152271
For example, the following coins are proof-only, so they are not on the "Circulation Strikes" registry list.
They do belong in the "Eliasberg complete set by date and mintmark, circulation or proof" list.
Proof-only, on Basic Registry list
X 1836 half cent (restrike - Registry list only has Originals, but either qualifies)
X 1840 half cent (restrike)
X 1841 half cent
X 1842 half cent (restrike)
X 1843 half cent
X 1844 half cent (restrike)
X 1845 half cent (restrike)
X 1846 half cent
X 1847 half cent (restrike)
X 1848 half cent
X 1852 half cent
X 1873 2c
X 1873 3c Silver
X 1877 3c CN
X 1878 3c CN
X 1877 20c
X 1878 20c
1827 25c [9 known]
X 1804 bust dollar
X 1858 seated dollar
X 1878 trade dollar
X 1879 trade dollar
X 1880 trade dollar
X 1881 trade dollar
X 1882 trade dollar
X 1883 trade dollar
X 1884 trade dollar
X 1885 trade dollar [5 known]
X 1895 S$1
X 1841 $2.50 [12 known - PCGS currently considers some of these to be business strikes]
X 1863 $2.50
X 1875 $3
X 1876 $3
X 1887 $5
X 1883 $20
X 1884 $20
X 1887 $20
Proof-only, not on Basic Registry list
1913 Liberty 5C [5 known]
1838-O half dollar [10 known]
X 1836 Gobrecht dollar
X 1838 Gobrecht dollar
1839 Gobrecht dollar [currently listed by PCGS only as proofs, but the most recent research shows the J-104 originals were business strikes; later J-104 restrikes were proofs]
X 1879 $4 Flowing Hair
X 1879 $4 Coiled Hair
1880 $4 Flowing Hair
1880 $4 Coiled Hair [about 9 known]
Proof that I did something today! We replaced the 1959 Lincoln in the set...
President of David Lawrence Rare Coins www.davidlawrence.com
email: John@davidlawrence.com
2022 ANA Dealer of the Year, Past Chair of NCBA (formerly ICTA), PNG Treasurer, Instructor at Witter Coin University, former Instructor/YN Chaperone ANA Summer Seminar, Coin World Most Influential, Curator of the D.L. Hansen Collection
The reality of the day to day work by Mr. Hansen and those he has enlisted to help him reach his goals would be interesting to know. There is only some much time in a day that an individual can devote to "the hunt". I expect that Mr. Hansen is very busy with all aspects of his life and that at best he can spend only 1 or 2 hours a day on this collecting endeavor himself. Thus he has enlisted the aid of others to help him reach his goal. With others involved, there must be communication on a daily basis between Mr. Hansen and those who are helping him. Opportunities arise and can disappear unless they are acted upon quickly. Evaluations of the suitability of desired coins that appear for sale must be made, discussions with Mr. Hansen about available coins and whether to make a purchase offer or not must take place and if a deal is struck the work needed to perform the deal (payment and obtaining possession of the coin] must be done. Once a new purchase is completed the newly acquired coin must be cataloged, documented, submitted to PCGS for grading (i.e. a raw purchase or a crossover from another TPG) and stored.
Further, with the large number of coins that comprise the set(s) that Mr. Hansen desires to acquire, how likely is it that he can spend time viewing, holding, studying and appreciating each individual coin or even series of coins? Particularly given that his time is likely tied up with non hobby related demands. Is it possible or even likely that once acquired the individual coins are simply stored away with the others and that Mr. Hansen does not look at his collection more than once or twice per year?
It also may be that Mr. Hansen does devote a significant amount of hands on time in the trenches working on reaching his goal and on viewing, holding and studying each individual coin.
Perhaps when he reaches his goal he will write an article or a book that tells the story of him setting his goal, working towards it and reaching it, including what his motivation is for doing so.
Kudos to Mr. Hansen and best of luck to him. His efforts do make the hobby enjoyable for fellow hobbyists.
That's the downside of having a large and valuable collection. It's not a replacement for having the coins in hand (or holder, which is also a downside), but I've found digital to be somewhat satisfying and I can look at my coins several times a week.
My favorite numismatic literature is about collectors and how they built their collections. Would love to read the story from start to finish about the Hansen collection.
theres alot to like there
Agree
COUNTDOWN 35
This collection has 35 coins remaining to equal and then pass the True Eliasberg Complete (TEC) set. As most of you know, the TEC set comprised of both proof and circulated coins. So in comparison, this collection could be either or, I posted the 1829 $5 Large Size PR64 a few days ago. There are two more proofs that has been obtained over the journey that needs to be counted. These are coins the True Hansen Complete (THC) set has in proof, but not circulated. Both are not required, but I would not doubt THC set will eventually have both.
The proof specimen is the 1875 $10, Cameo PR63CA. POP 1/1. What a great specimen it is, being Ex: Dunham, Farouk, Norweb Specimen graded as PR63CA. It last appeared in a April 2017 Heritage auction where it sold for $193,875. I am assuming the THC set owner made this purchase. Comments from the HA listing: "_ We believe this to be the first auction appearance of this storied and rare specimen since 1991. The strike is full, and field-device contrast is dramatic. As the grade suggests, there are a few hairlines in the fields. A small alloy spot on Liberty's neck and a couple of minor field marks near star 4 serve as reliable pedigree markers. As the Norweb catalog stated: "In a way, the minute grade differences are not necessarily important for this issue, for in any grade the 1875 is a fantastic rarity."_
1875 $10, Cameo PR63CA
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The second proof specimen is the 1864 $2.50, Deep Cameo PR66DC. The coin is From The Dale Friend Collection. It last appeared in a January 2017 Heritage auction where it sold for $82,250. Again, I am assuming the THC set owner made this purchase. Comments from the HA listing: "This spectacular Premium Gem exhibits the diagnostic high date, placed left and slanting down from left to right, with a chipped serif on the 1. The left base of the 1 is over the left edge of a dentil and the right base of the 4 is over the right edge of a dentil. The reverse was apparently struck from a new working die, with lighter letters than the previous issues. The design elements display razor-sharp definition throughout. The devices are richly frosted, creating intense cameo contrast with the deeply reflective fields. The vivid orange-gold surfaces are impeccably preserved and eye appeal is tremendous.."
1864 $2.50, DC PR66DC …. WARNING: Don't stare at this coin,
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004