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I failed to open up my Platinum Proof after receiving it. The sealed box isn't very attractive so I'm thinking of just sending it in for grading/ slabbing. Any thoughts on this? What would it cost me for First Strike? What are my chances of getting a 70 ?
I failed to open up my Platinum Proof after receiving it. The sealed box isn't very attractive so I'm thinking of just sending it in for grading/ slabbing. Any thoughts on this? What would it cost me for First Strike? What are my chances of getting a 70 ?
Decision, decisions.
I believe the First Strike deadline has passed.
Based on the pops, I'd say chances are good of getting a 70.
Worth the risk: 70 sells for about $1000 more than 69. Seems like a huge premium, but that's today's market.
I sent mine for grading last week.
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I failed to open up my Platinum Proof after receiving it. The sealed box isn't very attractive so I'm thinking of just sending it in for grading/ slabbing. Any thoughts on this? What would it cost me for First Strike? What are my chances of getting a 70 ?
Decision, decisions.
I believe the First Strike deadline has passed.
Based on the pops, I'd say chances are good of getting a 70.
Worth the risk: 70 sells for about $1000 more than 69. Seems like a huge premium, but that's today's market.
I sent mine for grading last week.
FYI...."First Strike" deadline will never pass as long as your sealed box remains unopened, and was mailed within 30 days of initial Mint's offering to you.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
I just went 1/18 on a submission of "fresh" coins. As usual, I paid to not have the 17 coins grading 69 actually slabbed. So, 1 MS70 hit the pop report only. 17 MS69's will never show. My batch had about a 6% rate of 70s on 18 coins, yet the pop report will show a 100% rate on 1 coin. Just trying to further educate those who Are paying attention. Wondercoin
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I just went 1/18 on a submission of "fresh" coins. As usual, I paid to not have the 17 coins grading 69 actually slabbed. So, 1 MS70 hit the pop report only. 17 MS69's will never show. My batch had about a 6% rate of 70s on 18 coins, yet the pop report will show a 100% rate on 1 coin. Just trying to further educate those who Are paying attention. Wondercoin
Thanks for the post.
Had I known a better estimate of getting a 70, I probably still would've submitted mine.
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1. The (18) were not prescreened. Just a "fresh" batch.
2. I do not believe there ever was a 50% rate on the first couple hundred coins. I was submitting from close to Day 1. I had batches go 0/4 and 0/5 for example that never resulted in those 9 coins showing as less than 70 in the pop report. I had a batch go 4/11 and I paid to have the 7 coins that failed to grade 70 be returned to me in capsules. So, once again, that order then showed 4 70's added to the pop report while the 7 coins that would have graded 69 not showing at all. This all results in an illusion of an artificially higher grade through rate than really exists.
As always, just my two cents. Wondercoin
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Its a beautiful coin but like a lot of US Mint Issues, once sold the money has been wrung out of them. If it is offered close to melt might be tempted......
"But as Wondercoin says, these percentages are artificially inflated."
And, by no means intentionally. If a customer requests that coins less than 70 grade NOT be holdered and pays for that service, a grading company can not include them in the pop report for holdered 69's. One idea though - a grading service, if they wanted to, could report the coins considered for the 70 grade and not holdered as such. That would certainly be helpful information to better understanding a grade through rate.
Wondercoin
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Originally posted by: HalfStrike If my math is right 15% of the coin mintage has been graded 70 by PCGS, if it is the same with NGC then that is 30% or more of the total coins.
Um, no.
If both PCGS and NGC grade 15% at 70, that means 15% of the total are 70.
I see what you mean but I was not talking about the grade through rate there, only the total number of coins that were graded 70. It is about 30% now that are 70's, almost 1200 coins out of 4000. I doubt that was achieved with an overall grade through at 6%. 20,000 coins would have to be graded to get that amount at 6%, and here there are only about 4000 total coins. The early bird gets the worm maybe?
PCGS and ATS 70s are selling for nearly the same price to $100 - $200 more for PCGS. Closer than I'd have expected. And then there is this: $3800 for an ATS 70???
If my math is right 15% of the coin mintage has been graded 70 by PCGS, if it is the same with NGC then that is 30% or more of the total coins.
Um, no.
If both PCGS and NGC grade 15% at 70, that means 15% of the total are 70.
I see what you mean but I was not talking about the grade through rate there, only the total number of coins that were graded 70. It is about 30% now that are 70's, almost 1200 coins out of 4000. I doubt that was achieved with an overall grade through at 6%. 20,000 coins would have to be graded to get that amount at 6%, and here there are only about 4000 total coins. The early bird gets the worm maybe?
Due to the grading process the grade thru rate is only a bs hype number. What counts in the end is how many 70's there are an can be in the future from sealed box submittals
versus the buyer demand for thoes 70's
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Hard to tell, shipped out on the third day, kept for 9 days, returned for replacement, delay to verify receipt, process replacement, then to ship. Replacement could ship after First Strike window.
outside of our discussion here about the 2015 platinums, but more so about FS in general, it seems that "bulk" submission results tend to take a very long time to be reflected in the POPS. maybe things have changed recently?
everyone needs to keep in mind, grading is very subjective. No matter how many attempts try to make it more objective, its still very subjective.
and to Wondercoin, I understand your point made earlier, but you may be ONE OF THE FEW who choose not to holder 69's, most would grade and holder the entire submission.
your results could skew the numbers slightly, but only slightly.
the point is, once a fair quantity of the same type is graded, and the grade thru rate is in a certain range, barring any damaged coins/etc. - that grading a new batch should produce roughly the same level of 70's.
unfortunately, I have witnessed that when early submissions produce a fairly healthy grade thru rate of 70's - lets say 45-50%, the "faucet seems to close", grading gets tougher, and grade thru rate drops for 70's.
if grading was more objective, this roller coaster ride wouldn't happen, it would be a steady ride.
...if grading was more objective, this roller coaster ride wouldn't happen, it would be a steady ride.
Will we ever get computer-grading of NEW proof & uncirculated coins? I'd pay extra for it.
TPG's, are you listening?
On the other hand, I'd hate to see computer-grading applied to older coins.
I'm no computer expert, but it surely has gotten to the point that a computer program could be devised to certify that a coin coincides with a model defined as flawless up to a certain level of magnification, i.e., a 70.
I am aware of a Moy order this past week that went 3/13. The (3) 70's are part of the posted pop and the 10 non-70's do not show at all in the pop report.
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Just goes to show what a arbitrary,unreliable bs hype the grade thru rate is. If there are 500 70's and only 200 buyers that give a rats a$$ about them the value is going downhill quickly.
Get in and get out while the bs and hype work their magic and leave the uninformed with buyers remorse.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Originally posted by: FullStrike Is Platinum headed back down to $460 ozish ? I think I remember that being the spot back around 1999 when I got the Platinitis disease.
That would be a great time to fill in all the holes in my " collection ". ;-)
It's already there......at $820 ish, considering the loss of purchasing power of the good old buck in the last 17-18 years
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I wonder what will be the amount of the closing on Sunday
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5$ bills are WOW with the numbers - wanted:
02121809
04151865
Wanted - Flipper notes with the numbers 6-9 or 0-6-9 ON 1$ 2$ 5$ 10$ 20$
Wanted - 10$ Sereis 2013 - fancy Serial Numbers
Yep. Lots of them. How about 33 - 2008-W FS 1/4 PLATS?
Just like always, the current crowd is "running" with the new issue.
I think that the 2008 W half oz MS are the lowest of all plats w the '08 half oz proof the lowest plat proof.
I wonder what will be the amount of the closing on Sunday
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Sold for $3,157
I wonder what will be the amount of the closing on Sunday
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Now 2800$ - Ends today
3000.00 ($3,300.00 with Buyer's Fee)
5$ bills are WOW with the numbers - wanted:
02121809
04151865
Wanted - Flipper notes with the numbers 6-9 or 0-6-9 ON 1$ 2$ 5$ 10$ 20$
Wanted - 10$ Sereis 2013 - fancy Serial Numbers
I failed to open up my Platinum Proof after receiving it. The sealed box isn't very attractive so I'm thinking of just sending it in for grading/ slabbing. Any thoughts on this? What would it cost me for First Strike? What are my chances of getting a 70 ?
Decision, decisions.
I wonder what will be the amount of the closing on Sunday
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Now 2800$ - Ends today
3000.00 ($3,300.00 with Buyer's Fee)
The one that WC listed on eBay sold for $3,157 (no buyers fee)
I failed to open up my Platinum Proof after receiving it. The sealed box isn't very attractive so I'm thinking of just sending it in for grading/ slabbing. Any thoughts on this? What would it cost me for First Strike? What are my chances of getting a 70 ?
Decision, decisions.
I believe the First Strike deadline has passed.
Based on the pops, I'd say chances are good of getting a 70.
Worth the risk: 70 sells for about $1000 more than 69. Seems like a huge premium, but that's today's market.
I sent mine for grading last week.
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I failed to open up my Platinum Proof after receiving it. The sealed box isn't very attractive so I'm thinking of just sending it in for grading/ slabbing. Any thoughts on this? What would it cost me for First Strike? What are my chances of getting a 70 ?
Decision, decisions.
I believe the First Strike deadline has passed.
Based on the pops, I'd say chances are good of getting a 70.
Worth the risk: 70 sells for about $1000 more than 69. Seems like a huge premium, but that's today's market.
I sent mine for grading last week.
FYI...."First Strike" deadline will never pass as long as your sealed box remains unopened, and was mailed within 30 days of initial Mint's offering to you.
Today, Saturday January 2nd is the cutoff date for the First Strike designation for the 2015W Proof American Plat Eagle
Current Pop Report.........
As of January 9, 2016...............
Looks like grading is tightening.....looks 50/50 to me.
Big jump in PR69 First Strike Flag Label's.
This report should help stabilize the going price.
...Looks like grading is tightening.....looks 50/50 to me.
Big jump in PR69 First Strike Flag Label's.
This report should help stabilize the going price.
50/50 are good odds, worth the risk IMO.
Unfortunately it didn't pay off... got my PF69 grade today.
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I just went 1/18 on a submission of "fresh" coins. As usual, I paid to not have the 17 coins grading 69 actually slabbed. So, 1 MS70 hit the pop report only. 17 MS69's will never show. My batch had about a 6% rate of 70s on 18 coins, yet the pop report will show a 100% rate on 1 coin. Just trying to further educate those who Are paying attention. Wondercoin
Thanks for the post.
Had I known a better estimate of getting a 70, I probably still would've submitted mine.
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This 70 game is ridiculous---there is absolutely no way you go from a 70 pass through rate of greater
than 50% (with at least a few hundred coins graded) to what Wondercoin is mentioning of his
5-6% 70 rate
No way. You can't convince me that a pre screened submission of 18 coins only yielded 1-70??
Something is wrong in that grading room.
1. The (18) were not prescreened. Just a "fresh" batch.
2. I do not believe there ever was a 50% rate on the first couple hundred coins. I was submitting from close to Day 1. I had batches go 0/4 and 0/5 for example that never resulted in those 9 coins showing as less than 70 in the pop report. I had a batch go 4/11 and I paid to have the 7 coins that failed to grade 70 be returned to me in capsules. So, once again, that order then showed 4 70's added to the pop report while the 7 coins that would have graded 69 not showing at all. This all results in an illusion of an artificially higher grade through rate than really exists.
As always, just my two cents. Wondercoin
If my math is right 15% of the coin mintage has been graded 70 by PCGS, if it is the same with NGC then that is 30% or more of the total coins.
Um, no.
If both PCGS and NGC grade 15% at 70, that means 15% of the total are 70.
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https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-c...pscid-77-desig-pf-base
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NGC pops: 374 graded 69, and 857 graded 70.
https://www.ngccoin.com/coi......d-77-desig-pf-base
If my math is right 15% of the coin mintage has been graded 70 by PCGS, if it is the same with NGC then that is 30% or more of the total coins.
Um, no.
If both PCGS and NGC grade 15% at 70, that means 15% of the total are 70.
15% of the total at PCGS = 600 coins = 15% of the total mintage. 15% of the total at NGC = 600 coins also = 15% of the total mintage.
1200 total 70 at PCGS/NGC = 1200/4000 = 30% of the total are PR70.
"If my math is right 15% of the coin mintage has been graded 70 by PCGS..."
See the Table in Goldbully's post? 315 coins have been graded 70 by PCGS. 315/4000 is about 8%.
Anyway, I think most folks do these calculations:
-- At PCGS: 315/633... 50% of graded coins are 70
-- At NGC: 857/1231... 70% of graded coins are 70
But as Wondercoin says, these percentages are artificially inflated.
My takeaway from all this: There are a lot of 70 coins -- but mine isn't one of them.
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And, by no means intentionally. If a customer requests that coins less than 70 grade NOT be holdered and pays for that service, a grading company can not include them in the pop report for holdered 69's. One idea though - a grading service, if they wanted to, could report the coins considered for the 70 grade and not holdered as such. That would certainly be helpful information to better understanding a grade through rate.
Wondercoin
If my math is right 15% of the coin mintage has been graded 70 by PCGS, if it is the same with NGC then that is 30% or more of the total coins.
Um, no.
If both PCGS and NGC grade 15% at 70, that means 15% of the total are 70.
I see what you mean but I was not talking about the grade through rate there, only the total number of coins that were graded 70. It is about 30% now that are 70's, almost 1200 coins out of 4000. I doubt that was achieved with an overall grade through at 6%. 20,000 coins would have to be graded to get that amount at 6%, and here there are only about 4000 total coins. The early bird gets the worm maybe?
If my math is right 15% of the coin mintage has been graded 70 by PCGS, if it is the same with NGC then that is 30% or more of the total coins.
Um, no.
If both PCGS and NGC grade 15% at 70, that means 15% of the total are 70.
I see what you mean but I was not talking about the grade through rate there, only the total number of coins that were graded 70. It is about 30% now that are 70's, almost 1200 coins out of 4000. I doubt that was achieved with an overall grade through at 6%. 20,000 coins would have to be graded to get that amount at 6%, and here there are only about 4000 total coins. The early bird gets the worm maybe?
Due to the grading process the grade thru rate is only a bs hype number. What counts in the end is how many 70's there are an can be in the future from sealed box submittals
versus the buyer demand for thoes 70's
If the diff is only 100-200 for the 70, the market perception is almost
Indifferent when it comes to grading standards.
Maybe "the early bird gets the worm" is true. That is, maybe more First Strike coins grade at 70.
I'll test that theory when the Mark Twain Silver is released.
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CoCollector.... sorry but arent they all first strikes?
Yes. I think so too.
And so you'd conclude the Full Strike designation is available any time for the 2015 $100 Platinum proof.
But the rules say otherwise: http://www.pcgs.com/firststrike/
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CoCollector.... sorry but arent they all first strikes?
(l8-)>>
Conclusion
Pops as of Jan 14, 2016..........................
What's going on with former Mint Director Moy????
10:1 70's????
10:1 70's????
Just read my last 5-10 posts for the easy answer
Wondercoin
and to Wondercoin, I understand your point made earlier, but you may be ONE OF THE FEW who choose not to holder 69's, most would grade and holder the entire submission.
your results could skew the numbers slightly, but only slightly.
the point is, once a fair quantity of the same type is graded, and the grade thru rate is in a certain range, barring any damaged coins/etc. - that grading a new batch should produce roughly the same level of 70's.
unfortunately, I have witnessed that when early submissions produce a fairly healthy grade thru rate of 70's - lets say 45-50%, the "faucet seems to close", grading gets tougher, and grade thru rate drops for 70's.
if grading was more objective, this roller coaster ride wouldn't happen, it would be a steady ride.
...if grading was more objective, this roller coaster ride wouldn't happen, it would be a steady ride.
Will we ever get computer-grading of NEW proof & uncirculated coins? I'd pay extra for it.
TPG's, are you listening?
On the other hand, I'd hate to see computer-grading applied to older coins.
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...if grading was more objective, this roller coaster ride wouldn't happen, it would be a steady ride.
Will we ever get computer-grading of NEW proof & uncirculated coins? I'd pay extra for it.
TPG's, are you listening?
On the other hand, I'd hate to see computer-grading applied to older coins.
I'm no computer expert, but it surely has gotten to the point that a computer program could be devised to certify that a coin coincides with a model defined as flawless up to a certain level of magnification, i.e., a 70.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
Box of 20
What's going on with former Mint Director Moy????
10:1 70's????
Pops as of Jan 16, 2016..........................
PCGS has graded almost 25% of the total 2015 APE's issued.
Anyone know how many NGC has graded to this point?
...Anyone know how many NGC has graded to this point?
1232
https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-e...-p100-pf-coinid-711130
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...Anyone know how many NGC has graded to this point?
1232
https://www.ngccoin.com/coi......0-pf-coinid-711130
Thank you COCollector.
It now appears 50% of the 2015 APE's issued have been graded by NGC and PCGS.
Is ANACS even a player here?
Per Raufus..............
Indeed those Moy coins were clearly well struck!
Wondercoin
Get in and get out while the bs and hype work their magic and leave the uninformed with buyers remorse.
Platinitis disease.
That would be a great time to fill in all the holes in my " collection ". ;-)
Is Platinum headed back down to $460 ozish ? I think I remember that being the spot back around 1999 when I got the
Platinitis disease.
That would be a great time to fill in all the holes in my " collection ". ;-)
It's already there......at $820 ish, considering the loss of purchasing power of the good old buck in the last 17-18 years