<< <i>I'm curious about buyer motivation for this piece. The 2009 UHR had a clear-cut goal; to successfully reproduce an ultra-rare classic coin on everyone's want list.
I like this new UHR coin, but I don't love it. It's also very expensive. I realize it's not always easy to put certain feelings into words. Maybe it comes down to, "I can't say exactly why, but there's something special about it, something that moves me."
Is it the high-relief angle, a must-have for collectors of modern gold mint products, the depiction of Liberty as a non-Caucasian or multi-racial female, investment potential, aesthetically pleasing? >>
I don't like the obverse, I like the reverse and its higher relief than I anticipated. I also like the unique denomination for a gold coin. I really don't even want it that much. However, I feel that my moderns collection would have a real gap w/o this coin. I ordered several on the possibility that it could be a good investment to sell later to finance coins which I really want. Should this possibility look unlikely I'll keep only one. I thought that it was a very cool idea when first introduced. I assumed that the reason was to produce an artistically magnificent high relief coin. Sadly, it seems that to the obverse was chosen primarily to be PC over some really artistically amazing designs. This is such a bummer. This could have been a truly magnificent coin. >>
The 2015 issue may not be the last. There's the possibility that the mint uses these other designs in future releases.
But for me, that's the problem...Other countries are releasing UHR/HR coins regularly now.
"Will this coin stand out down the road as something special or not?", is the question I find myself asking myself.
I'm ambivalent, which for me is not compelling enough a position to buy one.
The BST already has sellers tripping over themselves to see who can sell at the lowest point now. Wanna-be dealers who bought in large volume and know their CC bills will be coming in sooner than later.
Started off seeing prices immediately after the coins went on sale. Saw $1600+. Now seeing $1550 as the low. Obviously, still cheaper buying from the mint, for those that want one and when available, but it is interesting to watch. Some still have them for $1800/coin. Methinks those will stay for awhile.
Now, as to whether or not these will do well in the long run, I have no clue. Just interesting watching the usual quick flippers and how they are undercutting everyone to get their $50+/coin and get out (volume does add up) versus the smaller "buy a few to resell and help pay for the one I want to keep" folks, who would obviously like to sell for $200+/coin.
No dog in this fight at the moment so I just watch with amusement.
My order of one should arrive today. The mint shipped my other two that showed a back order date of Oct 1. Looks like all of them are FS eligible. I was just testing the waters on the second order of two coins. Now I need to decide whether to send them in for grading, sell sealed or ship back as I really only wanted one coin.
Thoughts??
"What we are never changes, but who we are ... never stops changing."
<< <i>My order of one should arrive today. The mint shipped my other two that showed a back order date of Oct 1. Looks like all of them are FS eligible. I was just testing the waters on the second order of two coins. Now I need to decide whether to send them in for grading, sell sealed or ship back as I really only wanted one coin.
Thoughts?? >>
Is sealed very valuable right now? Not much selling on ebay and still available from the Mint.
Doesn't look like these will have much room for appreciation unless gold prices rebound..JMHO..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
The lowest I have seen sold on the Bay is also around $ 1,749. There are two members on the Buy, Sell, Trade offering to sell for $ 1,540 - $ 1,590. Both of them are for bulk sales only.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
Brendanlam edited his. Nurmaler still has his active. Firstspousecoins has his active still as well.
So, it's the folks that are largely only around the forums in the BST for "hot" flappable issues, and in the threads about those issues, and buying in large volume. Get in big, flip quickly for any kind of profit as, if done in volume, there is still money to be made, and get out to pay the CC bill when it arrives and wait for people to point out the next flappable mint item.
While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
And while I do have a some left, the buyers I am talking to seem to be showing decent demand.
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<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
Brendanlam edited his. Nurmaler still has his active. Firstspousecoins has his active still as well.
So, it's the folks that are largely only around the forums in the BST for "hot" flappable issues, and in the threads about those issues, and buying in large volume. Get in big, flip quickly for any kind of profit as, if done in volume, there is still money to be made, and get out to pay the CC bill when it arrives and wait for people to point out the next flappable mint item. >>
Most of what you see on BST and eBay does not reflect the real supply/demand dynamics. I just wanted to provide my insights into the marketplace right now. I'm pretty sure that was what we were talking about.
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<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
And while I do have a some left, the buyers I am talking to seem to be showing decent demand. >>
<< <i>Most of what you see on BST and eBay does not reflect the real supply/demand dynamics. I just wanted to provide my insights into the marketplace right now. I'm pretty sure that was what we were talking about. >>
If you are looking for legitimacy, look other than a response from me.
You (and others here) don't have to like what I do, doesn't mean it's not legitimate. And I definitely don't care about your personal opinion.
I believe in capital markets.
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<< <i>Most of what you see on BST and eBay does not reflect the real supply/demand dynamics. I just wanted to provide my insights into the marketplace right now. I'm pretty sure that was what we were talking about. >>
If you are looking for legitimacy, look other than a response from me. >>
<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
I know there are some pretty heavy hitters here but I am wondering how someone gets over 1000 of these in rapid order with mint limitations. Big buyer network without paying much of a premium?
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
I know there are some pretty heavy hitters here but I am wondering how someone gets over 1000 of these in rapid order with mint limitations. Big buyer network without paying much of a premium? >>
Sadly, yes. Used to be forum was used for collecting, information dissemination, sharing, etc....with the occasional discussion of hot flips. Once these got more noticed (~2006 annv SAE sets), some folks ONLY come here to brag about their (way) exceeding mint purchase limits and how to get more ... and sell on the BST for no fees. It wouldn't work, but would be nice if folks that didn't contribute, or participate, in anything about numismatics/precious metals/currency/metal detecting, would have to pay CU for their use.....sigh....one can dream
Well over 90% of what I sell is off these boards. The notification of interest (what to purchase) typically comes directly from the buyers to whom I sell as well.
Also, there's nothing proprietary about what I do... feel free to take part of the wonderful country we live in. Maybe you guys will enjoy it!
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<< <i>I lol'ed >>
Always lol. But the joke is in the truth. >>
Sadly, yes. Used to be forum was used for collecting, information dissemination, sharing, etc....with the occasional discussion of hot flips. Once these got more noticed (~2006 annv SAE sets), some folks ONLY come here to brag about their (way) exceeding mint purchase limits and how to get more ... and sell on the BST for no fees. It wouldn't work, but would be nice if folks that didn't contribute, or participate, in anything about numismatics/precious metals/currency/metal detecting, would have to pay CU for their use.....sigh....one can dream >>
Here are my iPhone pics of the ALHRGC. I must say, each time you image Lady Liberty, her expression seems to change. Also, I can see some of these coins getting a PL designation. My very average pics don't really capture this, but the coin in hand is quite interesting and exhibits a proof like look on certain angles. Phil Arnold will have a tough time capturing this one....not as tough as the 2009 UHR of course.
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Maybe the photos but don't look reflective enough to me for pl especially since I figure the grading companies are going to require a solid example before they give out the designation. Now if I could tell your camera f-stop setting by looking in the coin they you would have something.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
They are on "back order" since they ran out of existing stock and have to make some more at the West Point Mint. Expected delivery is 1 October. This is assuming they haven't already reached the authorized limit of 50,000 in which case they will take your order and put you on a waiting list since there is always returns, cancelled orders, and bad credit card numbers. If you want one I wouldn't wait to order.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I wonder if we'll know how many were returned in couple weeks??? >>
Once it sells out, the value should increase and very few will be returned.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Nice photos and probably a 70 in my guestimation. Reverse seems to display a slight cameo look. I would love to see one with a cameo obverse. Might help the design.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
1490 x 41,930 hmmm $62 Mil plus not bad for a coin that trades about $350 dollars an oz more than a Gold Eagle.... or should we say $15 Mil profit to the Mint.... think its a winner for someone.... as soon as it hits 50k and sells out...more people will want in so it goes....
If that is so, why sell them at only $50 over issue price at this point?
<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
And while I do have a some left, the buyers I am talking to seem to be showing decent demand.
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<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
Brendanlam edited his. Nurmaler still has his active. Firstspousecoins has his active still as well.
So, it's the folks that are largely only around the forums in the BST for "hot" flappable issues, and in the threads about those issues, and buying in large volume. Get in big, flip quickly for any kind of profit as, if done in volume, there is still money to be made, and get out to pay the CC bill when it arrives and wait for people to point out the next flappable mint item. >>
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I'm curious about buyer motivation for this piece.
The 2009 UHR had a clear-cut goal; to successfully reproduce an ultra-rare classic coin on everyone's want list.
I like this new UHR coin, but I don't love it. It's also very expensive. I realize it's not always easy to put certain feelings into words. Maybe it comes down to, "I can't say exactly why, but there's something special about it, something that moves me."
Is it the high-relief angle, a must-have for collectors of modern gold mint products, the depiction of Liberty as a non-Caucasian or multi-racial female, investment potential, aesthetically pleasing? >>
I don't like the obverse, I like the reverse and its higher relief than I anticipated. I also like the unique denomination for a gold coin.
I really don't even want it that much. However, I feel that my moderns collection would have a real gap w/o this coin.
I ordered several on the possibility that it could be a good investment to sell later to finance coins which I really want. Should this possibility look unlikely I'll keep only one.
I thought that it was a very cool idea when first introduced. I assumed that the reason was to produce an artistically magnificent high relief coin. Sadly, it seems that to the obverse was chosen primarily to be PC over some really artistically amazing designs. This is such a bummer. This could have been a truly magnificent coin. >>
The 2015 issue may not be the last. There's the possibility that the mint uses these other designs in future releases.
But for me, that's the problem...Other countries are releasing UHR/HR coins regularly now.
"Will this coin stand out down the road as something special or not?", is the question I find myself asking myself.
I'm ambivalent, which for me is not compelling enough a position to buy one.
<< <i>She has arrived.....will open tonight.
Please let us know what u think.
Started off seeing prices immediately after the coins went on sale. Saw $1600+. Now seeing $1550 as the low. Obviously, still cheaper buying from the mint, for those that want one and when available, but it is interesting to watch. Some still have them for $1800/coin. Methinks those will stay for awhile.
Now, as to whether or not these will do well in the long run, I have no clue. Just interesting watching the usual quick flippers and how they are undercutting everyone to get their $50+/coin and get out (volume does add up) versus the smaller "buy a few to resell and help pay for the one I want to keep" folks, who would obviously like to sell for $200+/coin.
No dog in this fight at the moment so I just watch with amusement.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I was just testing the waters on the second order of two coins. Now I need to decide whether to send them in for grading, sell sealed or ship back as I really only wanted one coin.
Thoughts??
HE>I
<< <i>My order of one should arrive today. The mint shipped my other two that showed a back order date of Oct 1. Looks like all of them are FS eligible.
I was just testing the waters on the second order of two coins. Now I need to decide whether to send them in for grading, sell sealed or ship back as I really only wanted one coin.
Thoughts?? >>
Is sealed very valuable right now? Not much selling on ebay and still available from the Mint.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Doesn't look like these will have much room for appreciation unless gold prices rebound..JMHO.. >>
this will behave like the gold kennedy until sell out
The lowest I see is around $1740
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Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
The lowest I have seen sold on the Bay is also around $ 1,749. There are two members on the Buy, Sell, Trade offering to sell for $ 1,540 - $ 1,590.
Both of them are for bulk sales only.
<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
$1550 linked
<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
Brendanlam edited his.
Nurmaler still has his active.
Firstspousecoins has his active still as well.
So, it's the folks that are largely only around the forums in the BST for "hot" flappable issues, and in the threads about those issues, and buying in large volume.
Get in big, flip quickly for any kind of profit as, if done in volume, there is still money to be made, and get out to pay the CC bill when it arrives and wait for people to point out the next flappable mint item.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
And while I do have a some left, the buyers I am talking to seem to be showing decent demand.
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<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
Brendanlam edited his.
Nurmaler still has his active.
Firstspousecoins has his active still as well.
So, it's the folks that are largely only around the forums in the BST for "hot" flappable issues, and in the threads about those issues, and buying in large volume.
Get in big, flip quickly for any kind of profit as, if done in volume, there is still money to be made, and get out to pay the CC bill when it arrives and wait for people to point out the next flappable mint item. >>
<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
And while I do have a some left, the buyers I am talking to seem to be showing decent demand. >>
Goody woody two shoes for you.
Who cares.
Crazy post.
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<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
And while I do have a some left, the buyers I am talking to seem to be showing decent demand. >>
Goody woody two shoes for you.
Who cares.
Crazy post. >>
<< <i>Most of what you see on BST and eBay does not reflect the real supply/demand dynamics. I just wanted to provide my insights into the marketplace right now. I'm pretty sure that was what we were talking about. >>
If you are looking for legitimacy, look other than a response from me.
You (and others here) don't have to like what I do, doesn't mean it's not legitimate. And I definitely don't care about your personal opinion.
I believe in capital markets.
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<< <i>Most of what you see on BST and eBay does not reflect the real supply/demand dynamics. I just wanted to provide my insights into the marketplace right now. I'm pretty sure that was what we were talking about. >>
If you are looking for legitimacy, look other than a response from me. >>
<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
I know there are some pretty heavy hitters here but I am wondering how someone gets over 1000 of these in rapid order with mint limitations. Big buyer network without paying much of a premium?
http://www.coinnews.net/2015/08/03/2015-american-liberty-hr-gold-coin-sales-hit-83-9-of-max/
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<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
I know there are some pretty heavy hitters here but I am wondering how someone gets over 1000 of these in rapid order with mint limitations. Big buyer network without paying much of a premium? >>
<< <i>Yes, I have a nice size network.
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What? Srsly? Are you kidding me? WhoTF would have known? You have a nice sized network?
C'mon you are pulling my lariat.
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<< <i>Yes, I have a nice size network.
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What? Srsly? Are you kidding me? WhoTF would have known? You have a nice sized network?
C'mon you are pulling my lariat. >>
<< <i>I lol'ed >>
Always lol. But the joke is in the truth.
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<< <i>I lol'ed >>
Always lol. But the joke is in the truth. >>
Sadly, yes.
Used to be forum was used for collecting, information dissemination, sharing, etc....with the occasional discussion of hot flips. Once these got more noticed (~2006 annv SAE sets), some folks ONLY come here to brag about their (way) exceeding mint purchase limits and how to get more ... and sell on the BST for no fees.
It wouldn't work, but would be nice if folks that didn't contribute, or participate, in anything about numismatics/precious metals/currency/metal detecting, would have to pay CU for their use.....sigh....one can dream
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Also, there's nothing proprietary about what I do... feel free to take part of the wonderful country we live in. Maybe you guys will enjoy it!
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<< <i>
<< <i>I lol'ed >>
Always lol. But the joke is in the truth. >>
Sadly, yes.
Used to be forum was used for collecting, information dissemination, sharing, etc....with the occasional discussion of hot flips. Once these got more noticed (~2006 annv SAE sets), some folks ONLY come here to brag about their (way) exceeding mint purchase limits and how to get more ... and sell on the BST for no fees.
It wouldn't work, but would be nice if folks that didn't contribute, or participate, in anything about numismatics/precious metals/currency/metal detecting, would have to pay CU for their use.....sigh....one can dream
Also, I can see some of these coins getting a PL designation.
My very average pics don't really capture this, but the coin in hand is quite interesting and exhibits a proof like look on certain angles.
Phil Arnold will have a tough time capturing this one....not as tough as the 2009 UHR of course.
I am going to have to get a couple now for sure.
Seated Dollar Collection
<< <i>41,930 coins sold as of midnight Sunday.
http://www.coinnews.net/2015/08/03/2015-american-liberty-hr-gold-coin-sales-hit-83-9-of-max/ >>
So what happens if people try to order now?
<< <i>41,930 coins sold as of midnight Sunday.
http://www.coinnews.net/2015/08/03/2015-american-liberty-hr-gold-coin-sales-hit-83-9-of-max/ >>
From your link, Lady Liberty shows another facial expression, different from mine.....amazing.
Maybe yours could be called the "tired liberty" variety.
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<< <i>41,930 coins sold as of midnight Sunday.
http://www.coinnews.net/2015/08/03/2015-american-liberty-hr-gold-coin-sales-hit-83-9-of-max/ >>
So what happens if people try to order now? >>
They are on "back order" since they ran out of existing stock and have to make some more at the West Point Mint. Expected delivery is 1 October. This is assuming they haven't already reached the authorized limit of 50,000 in which case they will take your order and put you on a waiting list since there is always returns, cancelled orders, and bad credit card numbers. If you want one I wouldn't wait to order.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>41,930 coins sold as of midnight Sunday.
http://www.coinnews.net/2015/08/03/2015-american-liberty-hr-gold-coin-sales-hit-83-9-of-max/ >>
I wonder if we'll know how many were returned in couple weeks???
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<< <i>41,930 coins sold as of midnight Sunday.
http://www.coinnews.net/2015/08/03/2015-american-liberty-hr-gold-coin-sales-hit-83-9-of-max/ >>
I wonder if we'll know how many were returned in couple weeks??? >>
Once it sells out, the value should increase and very few will be returned.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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Doesn't look like this -
<< <i>What's the thing on her right cheek? Just wondering.
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I figure either a cheek bone or a scar she got in a knife fight.
Your photos show a motled, toned look on the obverse and polish lines on the reverse, much like many of the UhR's.
Keep me coming...mine is entombed in cardboard.
<< <i>Thanks for the rapid photos, Bully!
Your photos show a motled, toned look on the obverse and polish lines on the reverse, much like many of the UhR's.
Keep me coming...mine is entombed in cardboard. >>
Toned already? That would be a speed record, right, unless maybe they struck them 6 months ago.
<< <i>hat's the thing on her right cheek? Just wondering.
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<< <i>I figure either a cheek bone or a scar she got in a knife fight.
Or sucking your lip up into the left nostril.
Holy Cow. ERROR!!!! Double, triple the price.
Srsly.
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<< <i>Thanks for the rapid photos, Bully!
Your photos show a motled, toned look on the obverse and polish lines on the reverse, much like many of the UhR's.
Keep me coming...mine is entombed in cardboard. >>
Toned already? That would be a speed record, right, unless maybe they struck them 6 months ago. >>
Correct! That may be the age of his phone. Artistic license and all, from the people via Apple.
<< <i>I kinda like the top lighting shots a little better BackroadJunkie if I nit pick. Nicely done on both. >>
Thanks.
Wasn't going to get it graded, but unlike the RP Truman's, this coin is screaming to be entombed.
Can't find any real flaws under magnification. It might be going in...
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<< <i>41,930 coins sold as of midnight Sunday.
http://www.coinnews.net/2015/08/03/2015-american-liberty-hr-gold-coin-sales-hit-83-9-of-max/ >>
I wonder if we'll know how many were returned in couple weeks??? >>
Once it sells out, the value should increase and very few will be returned. >>
At the rate they are selling....it may take a while. Same thing happened to the Kennedy gold coins and they are still not sold out after one year.
<< <i>Same thing happened to the Kennedy gold coins and they are still not sold out after one year. >>
The Kennedy may have sold out last week.
73,218 sold, status was flipped to Currently Unavailable.
In two days, it'll be one year since sales started.
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<< <i>Same thing happened to the Kennedy gold coins and they are still not sold out after one year. >>
The Kennedy may have sold out last week.
73,218 sold, status was flipped to Currently Unavailable.
In two days, it'll be one year since sales started. >>
Thanks for the heads-up, I was not aware that they are now Unavailable. I guess the Mint did not produce 75K after all.
Peace and Love
<< <i>While I can't speak for others, I sold almost all of mine (well over a thousand coins) for quite a nice premium to the purchase price.
And while I do have a some left, the buyers I am talking to seem to be showing decent demand.
<< <i>
<< <i>Could you please post links of coins that have sold for $1550????
The lowest I see is around $1740 >>
Brendanlam edited his.
Nurmaler still has his active.
Firstspousecoins has his active still as well.
So, it's the folks that are largely only around the forums in the BST for "hot" flappable issues, and in the threads about those issues, and buying in large volume.
Get in big, flip quickly for any kind of profit as, if done in volume, there is still money to be made, and get out to pay the CC bill when it arrives and wait for people to point out the next flappable mint item. >>
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.