<< <i>I liked it more when they'd call stuff like this a "Discovery Piece" rather than "First Reported" - I think it just has a better ring to it.
Wasn't this the first example discovered? >>
I know what it is, that's what's important. It wouldn't take much for someone way down the road to look at it and the press on the discovery to show what it really is though - I'm happy.
Maybe cmerlo1 can explain the different terms ANACS uses in situations like this, or if it's a change from "Discovery Coin" or "Discovery PC" I've seen on other slabs.
<< <i>I liked it more when they'd call stuff like this a "Discovery Piece" rather than "First Reported" - I think it just has a better ring to it.
Wasn't this the first example discovered? >>
I know what it is, that's what's important. It wouldn't take much for someone way down the road to look at it and the press on the discovery to show what it really is though - I'm happy.
Maybe cmerlo1 can explain the different terms ANACS uses in situations like this, or if it's a change from "Discovery Coin" or "Discovery PC" I've seen on other slabs. >>
I'm not sure why they called it that, but will ask. I have a VAM discovery ANACS graded, and it says 'Discovery Specimen'.
Edited to add: to me 'discovery specimen' and 'first reported' are one in the same.
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<< <i>Special thanks to Christian (cmerlo1), Paul DeFelice, and ANACS for getting this done for me so fast. I really appreciate you reaching out to me for this.
The dime was on this week's cover of Coin World, among other places - hopefully that will be the nudge to get collectors checking their own coins and hit the shows this weekend to find more.
>>
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<< <i>Cool. Is Anacs the only one who will designate it that way? >>
Yes, as far as I know. I called PCGS a couple of weeks ago because I have new RPD for an 1897 dime....asked if they would label it a Discovery Coin with proper documentation and they said NO.
Not sure why PCGS doesn't want this business but...whatever....so the business goes to ANACS.
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Very nice.... I too would prefer the 'Discovery Piece' term... but we all know it was anyway....congratulations once again. My search continues... Cheers, RickO
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I will have two "good show" opportunities this summer and then a couple in the fall. Besides that it will have to be the luck of spotting one in an auction or eBay(which I hardly ever check).
Good luck to everyone else in the meantime.
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<< <i>Guess nobody found one this weekend either. >>
My local monthly bourse was today. I looked through roughly 20 mixed rolls, 50 dime folders, 10 boxes, every single coin in a case and nothing. I bought a $25 face bag of mercs I still need to look through from the bullion dealer, but will probably be mostly 30s/40s.
Other than forum members ajaan and vbowling299 who were also there, nobody I asked had heard of it yet. The few folks who get coin world said they had not read this week's yet.
I may be mistaken, but does the coin in question exhibit a bit of a rotated reverse? Maybe falls within allowable range where it is not a RR. Or just seems a RR to me because of the way coin is displayed. Due to scheduling I had to pass on 2 auctions where Mercs. were offered up and one local coin show. Maybe next month. I wonder if the unsearched bags/rolls sale hype will start now advertising you may find this error within, all the while the rolls were already searched for this variety/error?
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<< <i>I may be mistaken, but does the coin in question exhibit a bit of a rotated reverse? Maybe falls within allowable range where it is not a RR. Or just seems a RR to me because of the way coin is displayed. Due to scheduling I had to pass on 2 auctions where Mercs. were offered up and one local coin show. Maybe next month. I wonder if the unsearched bags/rolls sale hype will start now advertising you may find this error within, all the while the rolls were already searched for this variety/error? >>
I think you are right. THe obverse leans a little bit to the right in the holder, so if you flip the holder left-right as in the pictures the fasces should lean a little bit to the left. However, it too leans to the right.
That said, I suspect that it is within the Mint's unofficial tolerance for die alignment, and would not affect this coin in any way.
TD
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Modern Mint tolerance is 27 degrees. (don't ask me why it's not 25 or 30).
I'd say that the coin is well within tolerance.
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We have a lot of national/larger dealers here. How many have clients who have asked you to keep an eye out for one of these DDOs for their collections?
And for dealers/collectors alike: If you found one today - whether in your own inventory or cherrypicked one - would you:
A) Not tell anyone you found one for now until the dust settles Post on this or another forum that you found one C) Keep it for yourself (either raw or send to NGC/ANACS) D) Get it graded (whether NGC or ANACS) to resell either in an auction or put on eBay E) Get it graded, then just sit on it until populations are known, better valuation is known, etc
F) Something else I didn't think of
I only ask because I mentioned a few posts back that I looked for another at my local show this weekend. I don't plan on selling the discovery coin in the foreseeable future, but I was PMd a few times by folks saying if I ever found a 2nd example, what were my plans for it/would I sell it to them. That got me thinking - I don't really know what I would do with a second (Not that lightning would strike twice) and was curious what others would actually do should they find one.
<< <i> I only ask because I mentioned a few posts back that I looked for another at my local show this weekend. I don't plan on selling the discovery coin in the foreseeable future, but I was PMd a few times by folks saying if I ever found a 2nd example, what were my plans for it/would I sell it to them. That got me thinking - I don't really know what I would do with a second (Not that lightning would strike twice) and was curious what others would actually do should they find one. >>
I would be very tempted to keep it, but in the end (assuming it would grade at our host) I would probably flip it to one of the registry guys who would appreciate it more.
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<< <i>Modern Mint tolerance is 27 degrees. (don't ask me why it's not 25 or 30).
I'd say that the coin is well within tolerance. >>
27 degrees would be 30% of 90 degrees, but why they would pick thei I have no idea.
Ed Fleischmann told me years ago that when he was in one of the mints (this would have been in the late 60s or early to mid-70s) he asked a pressman what the tolerance was in die rotation and he was told 15 degrees, but that may have been just that pressman's unofficial opinion.
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Edited to add-several had heard of it; others had heard something but were not sure what it was. Most had no knowledge of it in spite of the widespread publicity. I told 3 or 4 dealer friends there to keep an eye open for it. I may be going to a shop with an extensive inventory of low grade common date material like 1919 dimes within the next week or two.
<< <i>Edited to add-several had heard of it; others had heard something but were not sure what it was. Most had no knowledge of it in spite of the widespread publicity. I told 3 or 4 dealer friends there to keep an eye open for it. I may be going to a shop with an extensive inventory of low grade common date material like 1919 dimes within the next week or two. >>
Pretty much sums up my 40 table show today. My guess is it's going to take that CPG or Redbook listing to get a large portion of collectors eyes looking for these. I was again surprised how many small show dealers don't get Coin World or read coin news online or if they do its not much beyond checking eBay for prices and such.
I went through another dozen or so books and boxes today with nothing.
I have this coin sitting on my kitchen counter waiting for me to get home and take a loupe to it. I don't have very high hopes that it is the DDO, but like the last coin I bought off ebay, there is just enough going on in the pictures that I figured it was worth the price to get a look at it in the hand.
EDIT: Another loser, no surprise.
I continue to check eBay every couple of days, I'm at the point where I'm looking at the same recycled coins over and over again with only a few new coins hitting the search results. It may be months from now, but I'm certain that eventually a "no doubter" DDO is going to surface there, and the bidding will be a sight to behold.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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<< <i>Does the count of found 1919 DDOs remain at 2? >>
That have been reported, yes. But, I only monitor This, NGC, CoinTalk, and CoinCommunity bulletin boards.
With all the press coverage in this last month, it's possible someone not on the message boards read the articles and found one in their collection too.
With most smaller dealers only setting up once a month, and possibly only looking at their inventory once a month, next week will be the full 4 weeks the articles hit Coin World, so I would say after that, much will have been looked at. But... the shows I went to 2 and 3 weeks ago, I was still surprised how many small dealers do NOT know about this yet, so who knows.
So I was at the Bay State show yesterday and after walking the entire bourse, I saw a grand total of two 1919 dimes, both in the same dealer's 2x2 book. By contrast, I could have bought two dozen 1919-D and 1919-S in various grades. I asked one dealer who had a large selection of later date Mercury dime rolls in grades XF and up if he had any of the early dates, and he said they'd all gone to the smelter at the last run up of silver.
This was borne out when I tried to sell the solid date roll I bought off eBay right after the discovery broke. I received no offers above melt, despite paying twice that on eBay and despite this roll selling for 2.5 times melt on eBay earlier this week. They were simply not saved in any quantities, and the ones that were are disappearing with every spike in spot silver. (BTW, if anyone here bought the roll of 1919 dimes linked above, I want to know what you find).
I spoke to a few error and variety dealers and none of them knew of the discovery. I'm sending pics and links to a few of them today. If there are more out there, these are the kind of guys who will find them.
Sean Reynolds
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"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Thanks, Sean. I am afraid that you are right. Most of the low grade ones have been melted.
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I went to our big local show (100+ tables) today. I found about the same thing as you Sean.
The only dealers who were aware were the few who have a table near me at our normal monthly show who I've talked about it to, and I met John Frost at his display table with his 20-Cent reference set and books, as well as some neat Barber errors who remembered reading the article in Coin World.
I had the dime with me and showed several dealers - got a few "Neats" but didn't sense a lot of excitement.
I found maybe 15 raw, and 2 certified 1919's, but no Doubled Dies.
I still hold out hope that an MS example will be found - I really want to see what the doubling looks like on that.
My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light.
<< <i>My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light. >>
This is the chicken/egg thing I have mentioned many times. If the thing is SIGNIFICANT, it should be in the publications, end of story. Getting it in the publications will help more to be found. We clearly are not going to find dozens of them and then because of that...get it included in the publications. It is ridiculous how some publications choose to operate. Sometimes they include very minor stuff and leave out really major stuff just because of the numbers that exist. This is NOT how publications should work at all.
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<< <i>My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light. >>
This is the chicken/egg thing I have mentioned many times. If the thing is SIGNIFICANT, it should be in the publications, end of story. Getting it in the publications will help more to be found. We clearly are not going to find dozens of them and then because of that...get it included in the publications. It is ridiculous how some publications choose to operate. Sometimes they include very minor stuff and leave out really major stuff just because of the numbers that exist. This is NOT how publications should work at all. >>
I'm 99% sure this will be in the next CPG, and Whitman/Dentuck has said it "Looks promising" for the next Redbook, but I agree - If they wait for enough to be found, we're sunk - it will take THEIR actions to help get more found I think, so yes - your chicken/egg analogy seems spot on.
Heck, put them in, if it stays an R8/2-Known for a few editions, take them out as too "Insignificant".
And some people say that the Redbook is obsolete. It isn't, and this is an excellent example why it is not! TD
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<< <i>My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light. >>
This is the chicken/egg thing I have mentioned many times. If the thing is SIGNIFICANT, it should be in the publications, end of story. Getting it in the publications will help more to be found. We clearly are not going to find dozens of them and then because of that...get it included in the publications. It is ridiculous how some publications choose to operate. Sometimes they include very minor stuff and leave out really major stuff just because of the numbers that exist. This is NOT how publications should work at all. >>
Sure wish somebody would find another one at a show this weekend.......
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I'm still waiting for my "big find"........as pretty much all other collectors are.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Wasn't this the first example discovered?
<< <i>I liked it more when they'd call stuff like this a "Discovery Piece" rather than "First Reported" - I think it just has a better ring to it.
Wasn't this the first example discovered? >>
I know what it is, that's what's important. It wouldn't take much for someone way down the road to look at it and the press on the discovery to show what it really is though - I'm happy.
Maybe cmerlo1 can explain the different terms ANACS uses in situations like this, or if it's a change from "Discovery Coin" or "Discovery PC" I've seen on other slabs.
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
<< <i>
<< <i>I liked it more when they'd call stuff like this a "Discovery Piece" rather than "First Reported" - I think it just has a better ring to it.
Wasn't this the first example discovered? >>
I know what it is, that's what's important. It wouldn't take much for someone way down the road to look at it and the press on the discovery to show what it really is though - I'm happy.
Maybe cmerlo1 can explain the different terms ANACS uses in situations like this, or if it's a change from "Discovery Coin" or "Discovery PC" I've seen on other slabs. >>
I'm not sure why they called it that, but will ask. I have a VAM discovery ANACS graded, and it says 'Discovery Specimen'.
Edited to add: to me 'discovery specimen' and 'first reported' are one in the same.
Cool. Is Anacs the only one who will designate it that way?
<< <i>Special thanks to Christian (cmerlo1), Paul DeFelice, and ANACS for getting this done for me so fast. I really appreciate you reaching out to me for this.
The dime was on this week's cover of Coin World, among other places - hopefully that will be the nudge to get collectors checking their own coins and hit the shows this weekend to find more.
<< <i>Cool. Is Anacs the only one who will designate it that way? >>
Yes, as far as I know. I called PCGS a couple of weeks ago because I have new RPD for an 1897 dime....asked if they would label it a Discovery Coin with proper documentation and they said NO.
Not sure why PCGS doesn't want this business but...whatever....so the business goes to ANACS.
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<< <i>I liked it more when they'd call stuff like this a "Discovery Piece" rather than "First Reported" - I think it just has a better ring to it.
Wasn't this the first example discovered? >>
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Good luck to everyone else in the meantime.
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<< <i>Guess nobody found one this weekend either. >>
My local monthly bourse was today. I looked through roughly 20 mixed rolls, 50 dime folders, 10 boxes, every single coin in a case and nothing. I bought a $25 face bag of mercs I still need to look through from the bullion dealer, but will probably be mostly 30s/40s.
Other than forum members ajaan and vbowling299 who were also there, nobody I asked had heard of it yet. The few folks who get coin world said they had not read this week's yet.
Very elusive dime so far for sure.
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So cool! Congrats!
That's a 300 in the game of coins.
<< <i>I may be mistaken, but does the coin in question exhibit a bit of a rotated reverse? Maybe falls within allowable range where it is not a RR. Or just seems a RR to me because of the way coin is displayed. Due to scheduling I had to pass on 2 auctions where Mercs. were offered up and one local coin show. Maybe next month. I wonder if the unsearched bags/rolls sale hype will start now advertising you may find this error within, all the while the rolls were already searched for this variety/error? >>
I think you are right. THe obverse leans a little bit to the right in the holder, so if you flip the holder left-right as in the pictures the fasces should lean a little bit to the left. However, it too leans to the right.
That said, I suspect that it is within the Mint's unofficial tolerance for die alignment, and would not affect this coin in any way.
TD
(don't ask me why it's not 25 or 30).
I'd say that the coin is well within tolerance.
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We have a lot of national/larger dealers here. How many have clients who have asked you to keep an eye out for one of these DDOs for their collections?
And for dealers/collectors alike: If you found one today - whether in your own inventory or cherrypicked one - would you:
A) Not tell anyone you found one for now until the dust settles
C) Keep it for yourself (either raw or send to NGC/ANACS)
D) Get it graded (whether NGC or ANACS) to resell either in an auction or put on eBay
E) Get it graded, then just sit on it until populations are known, better valuation is known, etc
F) Something else I didn't think of
I only ask because I mentioned a few posts back that I looked for another at my local show this weekend. I don't plan on selling the discovery coin in the foreseeable future, but I was PMd a few times by folks saying if I ever found a 2nd example, what were my plans for it/would I sell it to them. That got me thinking - I don't really know what I would do with a second (Not that lightning would strike twice) and was curious what others would actually do should they find one.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
<< <i>
I only ask because I mentioned a few posts back that I looked for another at my local show this weekend. I don't plan on selling the discovery coin in the foreseeable future, but I was PMd a few times by folks saying if I ever found a 2nd example, what were my plans for it/would I sell it to them. That got me thinking - I don't really know what I would do with a second (Not that lightning would strike twice) and was curious what others would actually do should they find one. >>
I would be very tempted to keep it, but in the end (assuming it would grade at our host) I would probably flip it to one of the registry guys who would appreciate it more.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Modern Mint tolerance is 27 degrees.
(don't ask me why it's not 25 or 30).
I'd say that the coin is well within tolerance. >>
Looks like they may have split the difference?
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<< <i>Modern Mint tolerance is 27 degrees.
(don't ask me why it's not 25 or 30).
I'd say that the coin is well within tolerance. >>
27 degrees would be 30% of 90 degrees, but why they would pick thei I have no idea.
Ed Fleischmann told me years ago that when he was in one of the mints (this would have been in the late 60s or early to mid-70s) he asked a pressman what the tolerance was in die rotation and he was told 15 degrees, but that may have been just that pressman's unofficial opinion.
<< <i>Vell? >>
Nothin'....YET!
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<< <i>Edited to add-several had heard of it; others had heard something but were not sure what it was. Most had no knowledge of it in spite of the widespread publicity. I told 3 or 4 dealer friends there to keep an eye open for it. I may be going to a shop with an extensive inventory of low grade common date material like 1919 dimes within the next week or two. >>
Pretty much sums up my 40 table show today. My guess is it's going to take that CPG or Redbook listing to get a large portion of collectors eyes looking for these. I was again surprised how many small show dealers don't get Coin World or read coin news online or if they do its not much beyond checking eBay for prices and such.
I went through another dozen or so books and boxes today with nothing.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
That's very cool!
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EDIT: Another loser, no surprise.
I continue to check eBay every couple of days, I'm at the point where I'm looking at the same recycled coins over and over again with only a few new coins hitting the search results. It may be months from now, but I'm certain that eventually a "no doubter" DDO is going to surface there, and the bidding will be a sight to behold.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Another weekend with no news. >>
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<< <i>Does the count of found 1919 DDOs remain at 2? >>
That have been reported, yes. But, I only monitor This, NGC, CoinTalk, and CoinCommunity bulletin boards.
With all the press coverage in this last month, it's possible someone not on the message boards read the articles and found one in their collection too.
Even when I put in my cert # in ANACS, it shows 0, so not sure how reliable that pop report is. If someone is an NGC member, they can check the pop report for the DDO here: http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-varieties/mercury-dimes/1919-ddo-10c-fs-101-5636/
With most smaller dealers only setting up once a month, and possibly only looking at their inventory once a month, next week will be the full 4 weeks the articles hit Coin World, so I would say after that, much will have been looked at. But... the shows I went to 2 and 3 weeks ago, I was still surprised how many small dealers do NOT know about this yet, so who knows.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Guess we'll have to give it more time to see how rare this will turn out to be?
This was borne out when I tried to sell the solid date roll I bought off eBay right after the discovery broke. I received no offers above melt, despite paying twice that on eBay and despite this roll selling for 2.5 times melt on eBay earlier this week. They were simply not saved in any quantities, and the ones that were are disappearing with every spike in spot silver. (BTW, if anyone here bought the roll of 1919 dimes linked above, I want to know what you find).
I spoke to a few error and variety dealers and none of them knew of the discovery. I'm sending pics and links to a few of them today. If there are more out there, these are the kind of guys who will find them.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Thanks, Sean. I am afraid that you are right. Most of the low grade ones have been melted. >>
I too expected this.
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The only dealers who were aware were the few who have a table near me at our normal monthly show who I've talked about it to, and I met John Frost at his display table with his 20-Cent reference set and books, as well as some neat Barber errors who remembered reading the article in Coin World.
I had the dime with me and showed several dealers - got a few "Neats" but didn't sense a lot of excitement.
I found maybe 15 raw, and 2 certified 1919's, but no Doubled Dies.
I still hold out hope that an MS example will be found - I really want to see what the doubling looks like on that.
My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
<< <i>My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light. >>
This is the chicken/egg thing I have mentioned many times. If the thing is SIGNIFICANT, it should be in the publications, end of story. Getting it in the publications will help more to be found. We clearly are not going to find dozens of them and then because of that...get it included in the publications. It is ridiculous how some publications choose to operate. Sometimes they include very minor stuff and leave out really major stuff just because of the numbers that exist. This is NOT how publications should work at all.
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<< <i>My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light. >>
This is the chicken/egg thing I have mentioned many times. If the thing is SIGNIFICANT, it should be in the publications, end of story. Getting it in the publications will help more to be found. We clearly are not going to find dozens of them and then because of that...get it included in the publications. It is ridiculous how some publications choose to operate. Sometimes they include very minor stuff and leave out really major stuff just because of the numbers that exist. This is NOT how publications should work at all. >>
I'm 99% sure this will be in the next CPG, and Whitman/Dentuck has said it "Looks promising" for the next Redbook, but I agree - If they wait for enough to be found, we're sunk - it will take THEIR actions to help get more found I think, so yes - your chicken/egg analogy seems spot on.
Heck, put them in, if it stays an R8/2-Known for a few editions, take them out as too "Insignificant".
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<< <i>My guess is it's going to take the Cherrypicker's guide/Redbook entry to get anyone to look into their own collections stored away. Even then, it may take a collection changing hands for the new owner to look too, so it may be a few years before any sort of population comes to light. >>
This is the chicken/egg thing I have mentioned many times. If the thing is SIGNIFICANT, it should be in the publications, end of story. Getting it in the publications will help more to be found. We clearly are not going to find dozens of them and then because of that...get it included in the publications. It is ridiculous how some publications choose to operate. Sometimes they include very minor stuff and leave out really major stuff just because of the numbers that exist. This is NOT how publications should work at all. >>
I hear ya on that one, keyman.
It's killing me!! Let the suspense end. Someone please find another example!!
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