1919 Mercury Dime - CONFIRMED: DDO Discovery Piece (Census in 1st post)
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Please let me know if you know of any changes or additional pieces
1) PCGS VF-20 (CAC) (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections (8/16 - $3,960 (3600 + 360)) (2/26/17 Great Collections - $4,290 (3900 + 390)) > jwinter Reg Set
PCGS Cert: 545047.20/81388342 - ANACS Cert was: 4815681
Stage A
2) NGC AU Details - Environmental Damage - Confirmation piece - John Hodson
Cert: 4270926-001
Stage A
3) PCGS VG-8 (From ANACS VG-8) - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich > 9/7/2018 Heritage - $2,880 > Larry Martin Registry Set
Cert: 545047.08/32476123
Stage A
4) PCGS XF-40 (From ANACS EF-40)- small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > 2/14/16 - Great Collections ($9,075 ($8,250 + $825)) - 8/22/18 ANA S&B = $7,800
Cert: 545047.40/25606326 (Regraded from PCGS XF-40 Cert: 545047.40/29996937)
Stage B
5) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown - In 2021, Littleton Coin Company has one of the two NGC G6 (coin 5 or 6) listed for sale for $2,575
Cert: 3837672-003
Stage B
6) NGC G6 - Owner Unknown - In 2021, Littleton Coin Company has one of the two NGC G6 (coin 5 or 6) listed for sale for $2,575
Cert: 3837672-004
Stage A
7) NGC G4 - Owner Unknown - Littleton Coin Company had this for sale in 2021
Cert: 3837672-005
Stage B
8) PCGS XF-45 - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - Rick acquired 7/16 > Dimeman 10/2016
Cert: 545047.45/81423166
Stage A
***NOTE: This coin exhibits BOTH the DDO and Machine Doubling - be careful when reviewing images of this coin - the machine doubling is not part of the DDO diagnostic***
Machine Doubling on L and I of LIBERTY:
Motto unobstructed AND highlighted the part which is machine doubling and NOT part of the DDO diagnostic
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
RAW
Stage A
10) Good - 90% Merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
RAW
Stage B
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
RAW
Stage A
12) PCGS AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
Cert: 545047.03/80661866 - 6/18/20 - Sold for $1,224 Stacks & Bowers ($1,020 + $204 BP)
Stage B
13) NGC AG-3 - (Consigned to eBay seller: boyernumismatics) Was a dealer inventory roll find. > Sold for undisclosed 4-figure amount 5/2017. $1,399.99 - eBay 11/21/17
Cert: 2687209-003
Stage A
14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
Cert: 545047.98/80510296 > 10/9/18 on eBay again seller: acoinshop > 3/2019 sold to InGodWeTrustCoins 12/2022 on eBay now in PCGS D.L. Hansen Collection label listed at $3,070
Stage B
15) PCGS G4 (CAC) (Pop reports, owner unknown) - 8/22/19 eBay BIn - $2,750 (westcoastcoinsoregon)
Cert: 545047.04/81179058
Stage A
16) NGC AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23/Forum Member CLC2010) - Local Show Junk Bin (7/7/16 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)
Cert: 4231740-003
Stage A
17) PCGS FR-2 (CAC) - Dennis Tarrant (Numisma) & Victor Romero - Bag Searching > GreatCollections (9/4/16 - GC $606.83 ($551.66 + $55.17))
Cert: 545047.02/81692204 > 1/2/18 Sold by Gerry Fortin via www.seateddimevarieties.com for $1,475
Stage A
18) PCGS VG-10 (CAC) Sandman70gt - older unnoticed eBay set purchase
Cert: 545047.10/81866568
Stage B
19) PCGS - GENUINE - Cleaning - AG Details (Junk silver find - eBay 10/23/16 sold without DDO in auction for $203.53)
Cert: 545047.92/81862971 > Resold on eBay with proper listing - $725.00 eBay 3/6/17
Stage B
20) NGC VG-10 - Owner Unknown
Cert: 4334552-004
Stage A
21) NGC AG-3 - (eBay seller: reputablediamondbuyers) - Sold 11/15/17 for "Best Offer Accepted" of $770 + $2.66 Shipping - 12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com for $2,195
Cert: 2713742-003
Stage A
22) PCGS VG-8 (CAC)- New to pop report 7/2017 - jwinter(2) Registry Set
Cert: 545047.08/84200019
Stage A
23) NGC AG-3 - Greg Allen Coins, LLC - 90% bag searching - Sold eBay 8/24/18 $1,649.99 Buy It Now
Cert: 4355126-010
Stage A
24) PCGS AG-3 - eBay Seller: kearneycc - 90% bag searching - sold $1,599.99 eBay 10/27/17 BIN
Cert: 545047.03/34199108
Stage A
25) PCGS AG-3 - Forum member jdimmick found in bag of mercs - sold $1,977.00 eBay 7/18/18
Cert: 545047.03/35756830
Stage A
26) NGC AG-3 - r/coins Reddit User wordisborn reported it 4/4/19 (NGC Cert 8/19) - eBay 8/19/19 $1,807.50 ($1,799 + 8.50 Shipping)
Cert: 4740706-002
Stage B
27) PCGS F-12 - New to census May, 2019. Sold 4/23/20 Heritage's Central State Auction - $3,240
Cert: 545047.12/37354680
Stage B
28) PCGS AG-3 - Found in a bag of world silver by jdimmick. Heavy scratches on Obverse. Sold in true eBay auction 9/23/19 for $547 (didn't have DDO or FS-101 in auction title). Buyer relisted it on 9/27/19 with a $1750 BIN or Best offer, sold 9/28/19 for $1600 (Hansen).
Cert: 545047.03/38449534
Stage A
29) PCGS AG-3 (New to pop reports early 11/2019) - eBay 11/2019 seller: stampandcoinplace 12/19 - kearneycc - Sold eBay BIN of $1,499.99 1/25/21
Cert: 545047.03/38396792
Stage B
30) PCGS Genuine - Environmental Damage - G Details - Obverse scratches, reverse discoloration, porous surfaces/environmental damage perhaps - eBay Seller typecoinkid - sold 11/18/19 while raw for Best offer of $550 (Listed at $749.95 OBO) - sold eBay regular auction 1/26/20 for $388.00. - 6/22/21 - eBay BIN $595 bought by ARSave Collectibles.
Cert: 545047.97/38639540
Stage A
31) PCGS AG-3 (New to pop reports late 11/2019) - Sold 1/26/20 $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections
Cert: 545047.03/38353212
Stage A
32) PCGS G4 - Found in dealer stock Feb 2020 - Sold 5/10/20 $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections. 4/30/21 - Listed on David Lawrence Rare Coins Auctions, did not sell, 5/2021 - on ebay for $2,650 OBO
Cert: 545047.04/39143922
Stage A
33) PCGS AG-3 - Found by RockyMtnProspector Cherrypicked himself in old Whitman Album bought between '13-15
Cert: 545047.03/40438820. Sold 12/5/21 $1125 ($1000 bid + 125 BP) Great Collections
Stage A
34) PCGS G-4 - New to Pop Reports Feb '21, on eBay Apr '21, seller bonserandgamboa did not sell with $1,650 OBO - Bought from local coin dealer who found it in 90% bulk silver. October 6-10 2021 Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334 - Sold 10/10/21 for $2640 ($2200 + $440 BP)
Cert: 545047.04/41431374
Stage B
35) PCGS AG-3 (CAC) - New to Pop Reports April 2021. Sold 7/6/21 $1,140 Heritage Auctions. 12/21 - Listed on seateddimevarieties.com for $1750
Cert: 545047.03/41819842
Stage A
36) PCGS FR-2 Member BWRC found in an eBay lot of dimes 6/2021. Sold 9/7/21 $660 ($550 bid + $110 BP) Heritage
Cert: 545047.02/42653019
Stage B
37) NGC AG-3 - Reddit member wordisborn discovered and posted 12/8/21. Graded and listed on eBay 1/28/22 by the.treasure.source
Cert: 6437966-003
Stage B
38) PCGS AU-50 (CAC) (Crossed from NGC AU-55 (CAC))- New to Pop Reports Dec 2021. GreatCollections 7/31/22 - $23,062.50 ($20,500 bid + $2,562.50 BP)
Cert: PCGS: 545047.50/46260965 Old NGC: 6071356-001
Stage A
39) PCGS FR-2 - Forum member fishteeth and son found searching bags of Roosevelt dimes 12/20/21. Graded 8/2022
Cert: 545047.02/45442658
Stage A
40) PCGS FR-2 (New to Pop Report 12/2021) - Anyone have any info a new cert?
41) NGC AG Details - Damaged - Reddit member wordisborn discovered and posted June 2022. Listed in NGC Details Holder on eBay 8/25/22 with starting bid of $1,050
Cert: 6475028-020
Stage B
42) PCGS AG-3 - Listed on eBay 8/2022 seller: reedededge- Sold eBay BIN of $1,395 8/23/22
Cert: 545047.03/46004231
Stage B
43) Raw AG Details Damaged - Forum member UpGrayedd posted 10/25/22.
Cert: Raw
Stage A
44) PCGS FR-2 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - 9/2/23 eBay - $1,295.00
Cert: 545047.02/47534563
Stage A
45) PCGS FR-2 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - Sold 9/6/23 eBay - $1,495
Cert: 545047.02/47534566
Stage B
46) PCGS AG-3 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - Sold 9/1/23 eBay - $1,495
Cert: 545407.03/47534564
Stage A
47) PCGS AG3 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - Sold 9/5/23 eBay- $1,895
Cert: 545047.03/47534565
Stage B
48) PCGS XF-45 - 1/2023 - eBay seller coinman_2000 bought at store in an old time collection. On eBay for $14,199.99 1/12/2023
Cert: 545047.45/46366277
Stage A
49) NGC VF (New to NGC census 4/2023 - awaiting confirmation)
50) Raw AG - Cointalk member TyeCoins971793 found a 5th going through hoard 3/2023, looks AG Details with a scratch
Cert: Raw
Stage A
51) PCGS G4 - eBay 6/2023 seller jjcoin - Sold 7/31/23 (eBay $2,995 Buy It Now)
Cert: 545047.04/46140106
Stage A
52) Raw AG Details (Heavy scratches/marks rims both sides) - eBay 6/2023 seller - smoothsailing007 (BIN $1550), still on eBay 6/2024 with BIN of $1050 now.
Cert: Raw
Stage B
53) PCGS F15 - New to pop report May 2024 (Need more info/pics)
Cert: Unknown
Stage Unknown
54) Raw AG - Found 6/2024 by TypeCoin971793
Cert: Raw
Stage B
55) PCGS AG3 - New to pop report May 2024 (Need more info/pics)
Cert: Unknown
Stage Unknown
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CONDITION CENSUS:
Census coin #, grade, (Stage B if so)
Certified Straight Grade or Problem-Free Raw
(38) PCGS AU-50 (CAC) (Crossed from NGC AU-55 (CAC))
(8) PCGS XF-45
(48) PCGS XF-45
(4) PCGS XF-40 (B)
(1) PCGS VF-20 (CAC)
(49) NGC VF
(53) PCGS F15
(27) PCGS F-12 (B)
(18) PCGS VG-10 (CAC) (B)
(20) NGC VG-10
(22) PCGS VG-8 (CAC)
(3) PCGS VG-8
(11) RAW - VG
(5) NGC G-6 (B)
(6) NGC G-6
(15) PCGS G-4 (CAC)
(32) PCGS G-4
(34) PCGS G-4 (B)
(51) PCGS G4
(7) NGC G-4 (B)
(10) RAW - Good (B)
(35) PCGS AG-3 (CAC)
(12) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(24) PCGS AG-3
(25) PCGS AG-3
(28) PCGS AG-3
(29) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(31) PCGS AG-3
(33) PCGS AG-3
(42) PCGS AG-3
(46) PCGS AG-3
(47) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(55) PCGS AG-3
(13) NGC AG-3
(16) NGC AG-3
(21) NGC AG-3
(23) NGC AG-3
(26) NGC AG-3 (B)
(37) NGC AG-3 (B)
(54) Raw AG (B)
(17) PCGS FR-2 (CAC)
(36) PCGS FR-2
(40) PCGS FR-2
(39) PCGS FR-2
(44) PCGS FR-2
(45) PCGS FR-2 (B)
Issues/Problem Coins
(2) NGC AU Details - Environmental Damage
(14) PCGS F Details - Genuine - Edge Dmg (B)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage
(19) PCGS AG Details - Genuine - Cleaning (B)
(41) NGC AG Details - Damaged (B)
(9) RAW - AG Details, Damaged
(43) RAW - AG Details, Damaged
(52) Raw AG Details, Damaged (B)
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SALES HISTORY BY PRICE:
There have been several completed “Public” sales so far. Prices include buyers premium, and eBay shipping where applicable. Private sales will be included if desired and verifiable.
(38) NGC AU55 (CAC) (Now crossed to PCGS AU-50) - $23,062.50 ($20,500 bid + $2,562.50 BP) (7/31/22 GC)
(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 (10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/16 GC)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $7,800 (8/22/18 - Stacks & Bowers ANA)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $3,960 (8/21/16 GC)
(27) PCGS F12 - $3,240 (4/23/20 Heritage)
(51) PCGS G4 - $2,995 (7/31/23 eBay Buy It Now)
(3) PCGS VG8 - $2,880 (9/7/18 Heritage)
(15) PCGS G4 (CAC) - $2,750 (8/22/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(34) PCGS G4 - $2,640 (10/10/21 - Heritage) via Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334
(14) PCGS F Details - $2,250 (9/28/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $2,195 (12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com)
(25) PCGS AG3 - $1,977 (7/18/18 eBay)
(32) PCGS G4 - $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections 5/10/20
(47) PCGS AG-3 (B) - $1,895 (9/5/23 eBay Buy it Now)
(26) NGC AG3 - $1,807.50 (8/19/19 - eBay)
(23) NGC AG3 - $1,649.99 (8/24/18 - eBay Buy It Now)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $1,600 (9/28/19 - eBay Best Offer Accepted) Relisted right after buying cheap with keywords in title
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(29) PCGS AG3 - $1,499.99 (1/25/21 eBay - Buy It Now)
(46) PCGS AG-3 - $1,495.00 (9/1/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(45) PCGS FR-2 (B) - $1,495.00 (9/6/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $1,475 (1/2/18 - Sold through Gerry Fortin's website - seateddimevarieties.com)
(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(42) PCGS AG3 - $1,395 (8/23/22 eBay - Buy It Now)
(31) PCGS AG3 - $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections 1/26/20
(44) PCGS FR-2 - $1,295 (9/2/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(12) PCGS AG3 - $1,224 ($1,020 bid + $204 BP) Stacks & Bowers June Auction - 6/18/20
(35) PCGS AG3 (CAC) - $1140 (7/6/21 Heritage)
(33) PCGS AG3 - $1125 ($1000 bid + $125 BP) Great Collections 12/5/21
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(36) PCGS FR2 - $660.00 (9/7/21 Heritage)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC)- $606.83 (9/4/16 GC)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $595 (3/22/21 eBay BIN) 6/22/21
(30) Raw G Details - $550 Best Offer Accepted (Listed at $749.95 or BO) (11/18/19 eBay)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $547 (9/23/19 eBay) - Heavy obverse marks/scratches - Auction title lacking DDO or FS101
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $388.00 (1/26/20 eBay)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)
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(4) PCGS XF40 - 8/2017 - Stacks/Bowers August 2017 ANA - Session 4 - Rarities Night - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $8,000)
(4) PCGS XF40 - 5/3/17 Stacks/Bowers May 2017 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $7,500)
(3) PCGS VG8 - 8/3/16 Stacks/Bowers August 2016 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $3,400)
(3) PCGS VG8 - 3/2018 Stacks/Bowers March 2018 Baltimore - Session 6 - U.S. Coins - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $2,500)
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SALES HISTORY CHRONOLOGICALLY:
(45) PCGS FR-2 (B) - $1,495.00 (9/6/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(47) PCGS AG-3 (B) - $1,895 (9/5/23 eBay Buy it Now)
(44) PCGS FR-2 - $1,295 (9/2/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(46) PCGS AG-3 - $1,495.00 (9/1/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(42) PCGS AG3 - $1,395 (8/23/22 eBay - Buy It Now)
(51) PCGS G4 - $2,995 (7/31/23 eBay Buy It Now)
(38) NGC AU55 (CAC) (Now crossed to PCGS AU-50) - $23,062.50 ($20,500 bid + $2,562.50 BP)
(33) PCGS AG3 - $1125 ($1000 bid + $125 BP) Great Collections 12/5/21
(34) PCGS G4 - $2,640 (10/10/21 - Heritage) via Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334
(36) PCGS FR2 - $660 (9/7/21 Heritage)
(35) PCGS AG3 (CAC) - $1140 (7/6/21 Heritage)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $595 (3/22/21 eBay Buy It Now)
(29) PCGS AG3 - $1,499.99 (1/25/21 - eBay Buy It Now)
(12) PCGS AG3 - $1,224 ($1,020 bid + $204 BP) Stacks & Bowers June Auction - 6/18/20
(32) PCGS G4 - $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections 5/10/20
(27) PCGS F12 - $3,240 (4/23/20 Heritage)
(31) PCGS AG3 - $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections 1/26/20
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $388.00 (1/26/20 eBay)
(30) Raw G Details - $550 Best Offer Accepted (Listed at $749.95 or BO) (11/18/19 eBay)
(14) PCGS F Details - $2,250 (9/28/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $1,600 (9/28/19 - eBay Best Offer Accepted) Bought and relisted with proper eBay title
(28) PCGS AG3 - $547 (9/23/19 eBay) - Heavy obverse marks/scratches - No DDO or FS101 in title
(15) PCGS G4 (CAC) - $2,750 (8/22/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(26) NGC AG3 - $1,807.50 (8/19/19 - eBay)
(3) PCGS VG8 - $2,880 (9/7/18 Heritage)
(23) NGC AG3 - $1,649.99 (8/24/18 - eBay Buy It Now)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $7,800 (8/22/18 - Stacks & Bowers ANA)
(25) PCGS AG3 - $1,977 (7/18/18 eBay)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $1,475 (1/2/18 - Sold through Gerry Fortin's website - seateddimevarieties.com)
(21) NGC AG3 - $2,195 (12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com)
(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $606.83 (9/4/16 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $3,960 (8/21/16 GC)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/16 GC)
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2/12/15 - UPDATE:
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Folks - check your 1919-P Mercs, just got official word - After hiding in plain sight for 96 years...
Confirmed 1919-P DDO
Still waiting on official FS/CONECA numbering, but will likely be in the next CPG among other places.
I'm sure there will be official photos (especially when the XF/AU specimen is photographed) and announcements in the coming weeks (My coin will be off for a Coin World glamor shot soon).
Talk about an exciting few days, thanks for sharing the ride with me.
Jeff
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2/20/15 - Update
The 2nd specimen finally found its way to Bill, allowing proper verification of the discovery coin, which has now been assigned FS-101. Press releases have been sent by Tom DeLorey to the various news outlets, so look for that shortly. Can't wait for someone to find the first uncirculated example! Happy Hunting
Bill Fivaz gave permission to use his picture of the motto of the 2nd Specimen found (XF)
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Per request - this was pulled out of the "Box of Oddities" thread found here: Oddities Thread I also posted it ATS here: NGC Boards Thread
I do not know the full story on this coin. The individual I got it from has had it in his box of oddities for 15-20 years at least. He is a small town "Buyer" of old-time collections, he thinks it would have come in in some collection years ago, but he didn't remember it even being in there specifically. Anything that he saw odd, or came in a 2x2 marked as odd, he put in the boxes he was selling me. Beyond that, he doesn't remember any details.
I've weighed it on a .01 digital scale 10 times, recalibrating between each, and it comes back:
2.40 g every time
1.54 dwt every time
37.0 or 37.1 gn (5 of each)
Seems about right weight-wise for a ~Fine Merc
These are all the pics I have online right now, but can add more tonight - bigger, specific areas, whatever anyone thinks will help. I'm not Phil here - I use a point and click, and close-ups through a loupe, so bare with me.
Only other info I can add is a question on hub varieties came up,
There were hub changes in 1916/1917/1918, but don't see anything for 1919 specifically.
http://blog.davidlawrence.com/index.php/mercury-dimes-ch-2-design-modifications/
I would really need a merc specialist to look at what's left of the 1919's details to see if they can determine which hub type it is.
And the only other thing I see is a possible clash to the right of the "D" in "GOD"?
Please let me know if you know of any changes or additional pieces
1) PCGS VF-20 (CAC) (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections (8/16 - $3,960 (3600 + 360)) (2/26/17 Great Collections - $4,290 (3900 + 390)) > jwinter Reg Set
PCGS Cert: 545047.20/81388342 - ANACS Cert was: 4815681
Stage A
2) NGC AU Details - Environmental Damage - Confirmation piece - John Hodson
Cert: 4270926-001
Stage A
3) PCGS VG-8 (From ANACS VG-8) - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich > 9/7/2018 Heritage - $2,880 > Larry Martin Registry Set
Cert: 545047.08/32476123
Stage A
4) PCGS XF-40 (From ANACS EF-40)- small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > 2/14/16 - Great Collections ($9,075 ($8,250 + $825)) - 8/22/18 ANA S&B = $7,800
Cert: 545047.40/25606326 (Regraded from PCGS XF-40 Cert: 545047.40/29996937)
Stage B
5) NGC - G6 - Owner Unknown - In 2021, Littleton Coin Company has one of the two NGC G6 (coin 5 or 6) listed for sale for $2,575
Cert: 3837672-003
Stage B
6) NGC G6 - Owner Unknown - In 2021, Littleton Coin Company has one of the two NGC G6 (coin 5 or 6) listed for sale for $2,575
Cert: 3837672-004
Stage A
7) NGC G4 - Owner Unknown - Littleton Coin Company had this for sale in 2021
Cert: 3837672-005
Stage B
8) PCGS XF-45 - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - Rick acquired 7/16 > Dimeman 10/2016
Cert: 545047.45/81423166
Stage A
***NOTE: This coin exhibits BOTH the DDO and Machine Doubling - be careful when reviewing images of this coin - the machine doubling is not part of the DDO diagnostic***
Machine Doubling on L and I of LIBERTY:
Motto unobstructed AND highlighted the part which is machine doubling and NOT part of the DDO diagnostic
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
RAW
Stage A
10) Good - 90% Merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
RAW
Stage B
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
RAW
Stage A
12) PCGS AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
Cert: 545047.03/80661866 - 6/18/20 - Sold for $1,224 Stacks & Bowers ($1,020 + $204 BP)
Stage B
13) NGC AG-3 - (Consigned to eBay seller: boyernumismatics) Was a dealer inventory roll find. > Sold for undisclosed 4-figure amount 5/2017. $1,399.99 - eBay 11/21/17
Cert: 2687209-003
Stage A
14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
Cert: 545047.98/80510296 > 10/9/18 on eBay again seller: acoinshop > 3/2019 sold to InGodWeTrustCoins 12/2022 on eBay now in PCGS D.L. Hansen Collection label listed at $3,070
Stage B
15) PCGS G4 (CAC) (Pop reports, owner unknown) - 8/22/19 eBay BIn - $2,750 (westcoastcoinsoregon)
Cert: 545047.04/81179058
Stage A
16) NGC AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23/Forum Member CLC2010) - Local Show Junk Bin (7/7/16 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)
Cert: 4231740-003
Stage A
17) PCGS FR-2 (CAC) - Dennis Tarrant (Numisma) & Victor Romero - Bag Searching > GreatCollections (9/4/16 - GC $606.83 ($551.66 + $55.17))
Cert: 545047.02/81692204 > 1/2/18 Sold by Gerry Fortin via www.seateddimevarieties.com for $1,475
Stage A
18) PCGS VG-10 (CAC) Sandman70gt - older unnoticed eBay set purchase
Cert: 545047.10/81866568
Stage B
19) PCGS - GENUINE - Cleaning - AG Details (Junk silver find - eBay 10/23/16 sold without DDO in auction for $203.53)
Cert: 545047.92/81862971 > Resold on eBay with proper listing - $725.00 eBay 3/6/17
Stage B
20) NGC VG-10 - Owner Unknown
Cert: 4334552-004
Stage A
21) NGC AG-3 - (eBay seller: reputablediamondbuyers) - Sold 11/15/17 for "Best Offer Accepted" of $770 + $2.66 Shipping - 12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com for $2,195
Cert: 2713742-003
Stage A
22) PCGS VG-8 (CAC)- New to pop report 7/2017 - jwinter(2) Registry Set
Cert: 545047.08/84200019
Stage A
23) NGC AG-3 - Greg Allen Coins, LLC - 90% bag searching - Sold eBay 8/24/18 $1,649.99 Buy It Now
Cert: 4355126-010
Stage A
24) PCGS AG-3 - eBay Seller: kearneycc - 90% bag searching - sold $1,599.99 eBay 10/27/17 BIN
Cert: 545047.03/34199108
Stage A
25) PCGS AG-3 - Forum member jdimmick found in bag of mercs - sold $1,977.00 eBay 7/18/18
Cert: 545047.03/35756830
Stage A
26) NGC AG-3 - r/coins Reddit User wordisborn reported it 4/4/19 (NGC Cert 8/19) - eBay 8/19/19 $1,807.50 ($1,799 + 8.50 Shipping)
Cert: 4740706-002
Stage B
27) PCGS F-12 - New to census May, 2019. Sold 4/23/20 Heritage's Central State Auction - $3,240
Cert: 545047.12/37354680
Stage B
28) PCGS AG-3 - Found in a bag of world silver by jdimmick. Heavy scratches on Obverse. Sold in true eBay auction 9/23/19 for $547 (didn't have DDO or FS-101 in auction title). Buyer relisted it on 9/27/19 with a $1750 BIN or Best offer, sold 9/28/19 for $1600 (Hansen).
Cert: 545047.03/38449534
Stage A
29) PCGS AG-3 (New to pop reports early 11/2019) - eBay 11/2019 seller: stampandcoinplace 12/19 - kearneycc - Sold eBay BIN of $1,499.99 1/25/21
Cert: 545047.03/38396792
Stage B
30) PCGS Genuine - Environmental Damage - G Details - Obverse scratches, reverse discoloration, porous surfaces/environmental damage perhaps - eBay Seller typecoinkid - sold 11/18/19 while raw for Best offer of $550 (Listed at $749.95 OBO) - sold eBay regular auction 1/26/20 for $388.00. - 6/22/21 - eBay BIN $595 bought by ARSave Collectibles.
Cert: 545047.97/38639540
Stage A
31) PCGS AG-3 (New to pop reports late 11/2019) - Sold 1/26/20 $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections
Cert: 545047.03/38353212
Stage A
32) PCGS G4 - Found in dealer stock Feb 2020 - Sold 5/10/20 $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections. 4/30/21 - Listed on David Lawrence Rare Coins Auctions, did not sell, 5/2021 - on ebay for $2,650 OBO
Cert: 545047.04/39143922
Stage A
33) PCGS AG-3 - Found by RockyMtnProspector Cherrypicked himself in old Whitman Album bought between '13-15
Cert: 545047.03/40438820. Sold 12/5/21 $1125 ($1000 bid + 125 BP) Great Collections
Stage A
34) PCGS G-4 - New to Pop Reports Feb '21, on eBay Apr '21, seller bonserandgamboa did not sell with $1,650 OBO - Bought from local coin dealer who found it in 90% bulk silver. October 6-10 2021 Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334 - Sold 10/10/21 for $2640 ($2200 + $440 BP)
Cert: 545047.04/41431374
Stage B
35) PCGS AG-3 (CAC) - New to Pop Reports April 2021. Sold 7/6/21 $1,140 Heritage Auctions. 12/21 - Listed on seateddimevarieties.com for $1750
Cert: 545047.03/41819842
Stage A
36) PCGS FR-2 Member BWRC found in an eBay lot of dimes 6/2021. Sold 9/7/21 $660 ($550 bid + $110 BP) Heritage
Cert: 545047.02/42653019
Stage B
37) NGC AG-3 - Reddit member wordisborn discovered and posted 12/8/21. Graded and listed on eBay 1/28/22 by the.treasure.source
Cert: 6437966-003
Stage B
38) PCGS AU-50 (CAC) (Crossed from NGC AU-55 (CAC))- New to Pop Reports Dec 2021. GreatCollections 7/31/22 - $23,062.50 ($20,500 bid + $2,562.50 BP)
Cert: PCGS: 545047.50/46260965 Old NGC: 6071356-001
Stage A
39) PCGS FR-2 - Forum member fishteeth and son found searching bags of Roosevelt dimes 12/20/21. Graded 8/2022
Cert: 545047.02/45442658
Stage A
40) PCGS FR-2 (New to Pop Report 12/2021) - Anyone have any info a new cert?
41) NGC AG Details - Damaged - Reddit member wordisborn discovered and posted June 2022. Listed in NGC Details Holder on eBay 8/25/22 with starting bid of $1,050
Cert: 6475028-020
Stage B
42) PCGS AG-3 - Listed on eBay 8/2022 seller: reedededge- Sold eBay BIN of $1,395 8/23/22
Cert: 545047.03/46004231
Stage B
43) Raw AG Details Damaged - Forum member UpGrayedd posted 10/25/22.
Cert: Raw
Stage A
44) PCGS FR-2 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - 9/2/23 eBay - $1,295.00
Cert: 545047.02/47534563
Stage A
45) PCGS FR-2 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - Sold 9/6/23 eBay - $1,495
Cert: 545047.02/47534566
Stage B
46) PCGS AG-3 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - Sold 9/1/23 eBay - $1,495
Cert: 545407.03/47534564
Stage A
47) PCGS AG3 - Cointalk member TypeCoin971793 found 4 (44-47) going through a hoard of 1850 1919P dimes 11/2022 - Sold 9/5/23 eBay- $1,895
Cert: 545047.03/47534565
Stage B
48) PCGS XF-45 - 1/2023 - eBay seller coinman_2000 bought at store in an old time collection. On eBay for $14,199.99 1/12/2023
Cert: 545047.45/46366277
Stage A
49) NGC VF (New to NGC census 4/2023 - awaiting confirmation)
50) Raw AG - Cointalk member TyeCoins971793 found a 5th going through hoard 3/2023, looks AG Details with a scratch
Cert: Raw
Stage A
51) PCGS G4 - eBay 6/2023 seller jjcoin - Sold 7/31/23 (eBay $2,995 Buy It Now)
Cert: 545047.04/46140106
Stage A
52) Raw AG Details (Heavy scratches/marks rims both sides) - eBay 6/2023 seller - smoothsailing007 (BIN $1550), still on eBay 6/2024 with BIN of $1050 now.
Cert: Raw
Stage B
53) PCGS F15 - New to pop report May 2024 (Need more info/pics)
Cert: Unknown
Stage Unknown
54) Raw AG - Found 6/2024 by TypeCoin971793
Cert: Raw
Stage B
55) PCGS AG3 - New to pop report May 2024 (Need more info/pics)
Cert: Unknown
Stage Unknown
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CONDITION CENSUS:
Census coin #, grade, (Stage B if so)
Certified Straight Grade or Problem-Free Raw
(38) PCGS AU-50 (CAC) (Crossed from NGC AU-55 (CAC))
(8) PCGS XF-45
(48) PCGS XF-45
(4) PCGS XF-40 (B)
(1) PCGS VF-20 (CAC)
(49) NGC VF
(53) PCGS F15
(27) PCGS F-12 (B)
(18) PCGS VG-10 (CAC) (B)
(20) NGC VG-10
(22) PCGS VG-8 (CAC)
(3) PCGS VG-8
(11) RAW - VG
(5) NGC G-6 (B)
(6) NGC G-6
(15) PCGS G-4 (CAC)
(32) PCGS G-4
(34) PCGS G-4 (B)
(51) PCGS G4
(7) NGC G-4 (B)
(10) RAW - Good (B)
(35) PCGS AG-3 (CAC)
(12) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(24) PCGS AG-3
(25) PCGS AG-3
(28) PCGS AG-3
(29) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(31) PCGS AG-3
(33) PCGS AG-3
(42) PCGS AG-3
(46) PCGS AG-3
(47) PCGS AG-3 (B)
(55) PCGS AG-3
(13) NGC AG-3
(16) NGC AG-3
(21) NGC AG-3
(23) NGC AG-3
(26) NGC AG-3 (B)
(37) NGC AG-3 (B)
(54) Raw AG (B)
(17) PCGS FR-2 (CAC)
(36) PCGS FR-2
(40) PCGS FR-2
(39) PCGS FR-2
(44) PCGS FR-2
(45) PCGS FR-2 (B)
Issues/Problem Coins
(2) NGC AU Details - Environmental Damage
(14) PCGS F Details - Genuine - Edge Dmg (B)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage
(19) PCGS AG Details - Genuine - Cleaning (B)
(41) NGC AG Details - Damaged (B)
(9) RAW - AG Details, Damaged
(43) RAW - AG Details, Damaged
(52) Raw AG Details, Damaged (B)
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SALES HISTORY BY PRICE:
There have been several completed “Public” sales so far. Prices include buyers premium, and eBay shipping where applicable. Private sales will be included if desired and verifiable.
(38) NGC AU55 (CAC) (Now crossed to PCGS AU-50) - $23,062.50 ($20,500 bid + $2,562.50 BP) (7/31/22 GC)
(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 (10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/16 GC)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $7,800 (8/22/18 - Stacks & Bowers ANA)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $3,960 (8/21/16 GC)
(27) PCGS F12 - $3,240 (4/23/20 Heritage)
(51) PCGS G4 - $2,995 (7/31/23 eBay Buy It Now)
(3) PCGS VG8 - $2,880 (9/7/18 Heritage)
(15) PCGS G4 (CAC) - $2,750 (8/22/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(34) PCGS G4 - $2,640 (10/10/21 - Heritage) via Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334
(14) PCGS F Details - $2,250 (9/28/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $2,195 (12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com)
(25) PCGS AG3 - $1,977 (7/18/18 eBay)
(32) PCGS G4 - $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections 5/10/20
(47) PCGS AG-3 (B) - $1,895 (9/5/23 eBay Buy it Now)
(26) NGC AG3 - $1,807.50 (8/19/19 - eBay)
(23) NGC AG3 - $1,649.99 (8/24/18 - eBay Buy It Now)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $1,600 (9/28/19 - eBay Best Offer Accepted) Relisted right after buying cheap with keywords in title
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(29) PCGS AG3 - $1,499.99 (1/25/21 eBay - Buy It Now)
(46) PCGS AG-3 - $1,495.00 (9/1/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(45) PCGS FR-2 (B) - $1,495.00 (9/6/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $1,475 (1/2/18 - Sold through Gerry Fortin's website - seateddimevarieties.com)
(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(42) PCGS AG3 - $1,395 (8/23/22 eBay - Buy It Now)
(31) PCGS AG3 - $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections 1/26/20
(44) PCGS FR-2 - $1,295 (9/2/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(12) PCGS AG3 - $1,224 ($1,020 bid + $204 BP) Stacks & Bowers June Auction - 6/18/20
(35) PCGS AG3 (CAC) - $1140 (7/6/21 Heritage)
(33) PCGS AG3 - $1125 ($1000 bid + $125 BP) Great Collections 12/5/21
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(36) PCGS FR2 - $660.00 (9/7/21 Heritage)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC)- $606.83 (9/4/16 GC)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $595 (3/22/21 eBay BIN) 6/22/21
(30) Raw G Details - $550 Best Offer Accepted (Listed at $749.95 or BO) (11/18/19 eBay)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $547 (9/23/19 eBay) - Heavy obverse marks/scratches - Auction title lacking DDO or FS101
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $388.00 (1/26/20 eBay)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)
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(4) PCGS XF40 - 8/2017 - Stacks/Bowers August 2017 ANA - Session 4 - Rarities Night - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $8,000)
(4) PCGS XF40 - 5/3/17 Stacks/Bowers May 2017 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $7,500)
(3) PCGS VG8 - 8/3/16 Stacks/Bowers August 2016 Collectors Choice Online Auction - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $3,400)
(3) PCGS VG8 - 3/2018 Stacks/Bowers March 2018 Baltimore - Session 6 - U.S. Coins - No Sale (Reserve Not Met of $2,500)
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SALES HISTORY CHRONOLOGICALLY:
(45) PCGS FR-2 (B) - $1,495.00 (9/6/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(47) PCGS AG-3 (B) - $1,895 (9/5/23 eBay Buy it Now)
(44) PCGS FR-2 - $1,295 (9/2/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(46) PCGS AG-3 - $1,495.00 (9/1/23 eBay - Buy It Now)
(42) PCGS AG3 - $1,395 (8/23/22 eBay - Buy It Now)
(51) PCGS G4 - $2,995 (7/31/23 eBay Buy It Now)
(38) NGC AU55 (CAC) (Now crossed to PCGS AU-50) - $23,062.50 ($20,500 bid + $2,562.50 BP)
(33) PCGS AG3 - $1125 ($1000 bid + $125 BP) Great Collections 12/5/21
(34) PCGS G4 - $2,640 (10/10/21 - Heritage) via Long Beach Expo US Coins Signature® Auction #1334
(36) PCGS FR2 - $660 (9/7/21 Heritage)
(35) PCGS AG3 (CAC) - $1140 (7/6/21 Heritage)
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $595 (3/22/21 eBay Buy It Now)
(29) PCGS AG3 - $1,499.99 (1/25/21 - eBay Buy It Now)
(12) PCGS AG3 - $1,224 ($1,020 bid + $204 BP) Stacks & Bowers June Auction - 6/18/20
(32) PCGS G4 - $1914.75 ($1,702 bid + $212.75 BP) Great Collections 5/10/20
(27) PCGS F12 - $3,240 (4/23/20 Heritage)
(31) PCGS AG3 - $1,350 ($1,200 bid + $150 BP) Great Collections 1/26/20
(30) PCGS G Details - Genuine - Environmental Damage - $388.00 (1/26/20 eBay)
(30) Raw G Details - $550 Best Offer Accepted (Listed at $749.95 or BO) (11/18/19 eBay)
(14) PCGS F Details - $2,250 (9/28/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(28) PCGS AG3 - $1,600 (9/28/19 - eBay Best Offer Accepted) Bought and relisted with proper eBay title
(28) PCGS AG3 - $547 (9/23/19 eBay) - Heavy obverse marks/scratches - No DDO or FS101 in title
(15) PCGS G4 (CAC) - $2,750 (8/22/19 - eBay Buy It Now)
(26) NGC AG3 - $1,807.50 (8/19/19 - eBay)
(3) PCGS VG8 - $2,880 (9/7/18 Heritage)
(23) NGC AG3 - $1,649.99 (8/24/18 - eBay Buy It Now)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $7,800 (8/22/18 - Stacks & Bowers ANA)
(25) PCGS AG3 - $1,977 (7/18/18 eBay)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $1,475 (1/2/18 - Sold through Gerry Fortin's website - seateddimevarieties.com)
(21) NGC AG3 - $2,195 (12/24/17 - Sold through ARSave Collectables Website www.arsave.com)
(13) NGC AG3 - $1,399.99 (11/21/17 eBay)
(21) NGC AG3 - $772.66 (11/15/17 eBay Best Offer)
(24) PCGS AG3 - $1,599.99 (10/27/17 eBay - Buy It Now)
(8) PCGS XF45 - $10,000 10/2017 - Private Sale: Rick Snow > Dimeman
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $725 (3/6/17 eBay) Resold with proper auction title
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $4,290 (2/26/17 GC)
(19) PCGS Genuine AG Details - Cleaning $203.53 (Not listed as DDO in auction) (10/2016 eBay)
(16) NGC AG3 - $817.65 (9/2016 eBay)
(17) PCGS FR2 (CAC) - $606.83 (9/4/16 GC)
(1) PCGS VF20 (CAC) - $3,960 (8/21/16 GC)
(11) Raw VG - $2,250 (7/2016 eBay)
(4) PCGS XF40 - $9,075 (2/14/16 GC)
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Links to navigate easier:
- 3/16/15 - Numismatic News Front Page: (PDF File)http://media2.fwpublications.com.s3.amazonaws.com/NMN/NNExpress/NN_Express20150317.pdf
- 3/9/15 - Coin World Monday Morning Brief - How does a die variety become mainstream video: http://www.coinworld.com/videos/2015/march/monday-morning-brief-mar-9-2015.htmlor on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqHnAlbVanA2/27/15 - Coin World Featured Article:
https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2015/02/1919-winged-liberty-head-dime-has-doubled-die-obverse.all.html
2/24/15 - Coin World Teaser Article:https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2015/02/new-doubled-die-obverse-found-on-1919-dime.all.html
CONECA/Variety Vista 1919-DDO Page:http://varietyvista.com/06 Mercury Dime/1919PDDO001.htm
- Wexler's Die Variety Listing:http://doubleddie.com/1448740.html
- NGC 1919 DDO Variety Page:http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-varieties/mercury-dimes/1919-ddo-10c-fs-101-5636/
- PCGS 1919 DDO Coinfacts Page (PCGS Coin #545047)https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1919-10c-ddo-fs-101/545047/8
2/12/15 - UPDATE:
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Folks - check your 1919-P Mercs, just got official word - After hiding in plain sight for 96 years...
Confirmed 1919-P DDO
Still waiting on official FS/CONECA numbering, but will likely be in the next CPG among other places.
I'm sure there will be official photos (especially when the XF/AU specimen is photographed) and announcements in the coming weeks (My coin will be off for a Coin World glamor shot soon).
Talk about an exciting few days, thanks for sharing the ride with me.
Jeff
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2/20/15 - Update
The 2nd specimen finally found its way to Bill, allowing proper verification of the discovery coin, which has now been assigned FS-101. Press releases have been sent by Tom DeLorey to the various news outlets, so look for that shortly. Can't wait for someone to find the first uncirculated example! Happy Hunting
Bill Fivaz gave permission to use his picture of the motto of the 2nd Specimen found (XF)
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Per request - this was pulled out of the "Box of Oddities" thread found here: Oddities Thread I also posted it ATS here: NGC Boards Thread
I do not know the full story on this coin. The individual I got it from has had it in his box of oddities for 15-20 years at least. He is a small town "Buyer" of old-time collections, he thinks it would have come in in some collection years ago, but he didn't remember it even being in there specifically. Anything that he saw odd, or came in a 2x2 marked as odd, he put in the boxes he was selling me. Beyond that, he doesn't remember any details.
I've weighed it on a .01 digital scale 10 times, recalibrating between each, and it comes back:
2.40 g every time
1.54 dwt every time
37.0 or 37.1 gn (5 of each)
Seems about right weight-wise for a ~Fine Merc
These are all the pics I have online right now, but can add more tonight - bigger, specific areas, whatever anyone thinks will help. I'm not Phil here - I use a point and click, and close-ups through a loupe, so bare with me.
Only other info I can add is a question on hub varieties came up,
There were hub changes in 1916/1917/1918, but don't see anything for 1919 specifically.
http://blog.davidlawrence.com/index.php/mercury-dimes-ch-2-design-modifications/
I would really need a merc specialist to look at what's left of the 1919's details to see if they can determine which hub type it is.
And the only other thing I see is a possible clash to the right of the "D" in "GOD"?
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"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
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Comments
Great find!
TD
This is the best way to wake up on a Monday morning.
CONGRATS on the find......now who gets the credit for the find? You or the owner of the oddities box?
https://imdb.com/name/nm1835107/
Nice.
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No shelf doubling there.
Major congrats on a very nice and very exciting find.
I will be looking through my Mercs for sure.
Well done.
<< <i>YOWZA!!
This is the best way to wake up on a Monday morning.
CONGRATS on the find......now who gets the credit for the find? You or the owner of the oddities box? >>
He is probably my best friend in the coin realm and I just talked to him on the phone to ask about the pedigree. He gave me the box to buy, the only thing was for me to give him a fair price on them once I went through them all. While this could certainly raise the price, it would have sat in his oddity box for another 20 years without ever noticing, so he said to run with it and congrats.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
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<< <i>YOWZA!!
This is the best way to wake up on a Monday morning.
CONGRATS on the find......now who gets the credit for the find? You or the owner of the oddities box? >>
He is probably my best friend in the coin realm and I just talked to him on the phone to ask about the pedigree. He gave me the box to buy, the only thing was for me to give him a fair price on them once I went through them all. While this could certainly raise the price, it would have sat in his oddity box for another 20 years without ever noticing, so he said to run with it and congrats. >>
https://imdb.com/name/nm1835107/
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Nice find, good luck should you sell or keep it.
<< <i>Looks like a DDO to me. Amazing that with such a large spread this hasn't been discovered before. Super cool! >>
I'm thinking that the doubling is so obvious the press operator may have noticed it right away and pulled the die from the press. Just a supposition, of course.
bob
<< <i>As I said in the original thread, definitely a doubled die. The first impression was only partially formed and fades out equidistant from the rim, which is why only the top part of the N of IN shows, while more of the R and most of the U of TRUST show. The same phenomenon can be seen on the classic 1916/1916 nickel.
Great find!
TD >>
Pasting my reply from the other thread here as well:
Honestly my first thought is that it is a genuine doubled die but a counterfeit coin. The only way I could see that being a real mint product, given the very strong but very localized doubling, would be if there was a design hub change that year. Is that a listed variety I am not aware of? If not, is there any way a doubled die that strong on such a widely collected series could go unnoticed for almost 100 years?
Sean Reynolds
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<< <i>As I said in the original thread, definitely a doubled die. The first impression was only partially formed and fades out equidistant from the rim, which is why only the top part of the N of IN shows, while more of the R and most of the U of TRUST show. The same phenomenon can be seen on the classic 1916/1916 nickel.
Great find!
TD >>
Pasting my reply from the other thread here as well:
Honestly my first thought is that it is a genuine doubled die but a counterfeit coin. The only way I could see that being a real mint product, given the very strong but very localized doubling, would be if there was a design hub change that year. Is that a listed variety I am not aware of? If not, is there any way a doubled die that strong on such a widely collected series could go unnoticed for almost 100 years?
Sean Reynolds >>
unnoticed for almost 100 years?
When you consider the new species of plants and animals found each year.....
<< <i>May I suggest sending it to James Wiles for study and attribution. I think he's in Frisco, Texas. Search "Variety Vista" for contact information. >>
I second this suggestion and I would do it ASAP. If this turns out to be a legit doubled die it would be one of the strangest I've ever seen. Not to get too technical but I suppose it could be some kind of tilted hub Class IV but the very strong and very localized doubling on the motto with no doubling anywhere else at all is what's troublesome. It seems that with a spread this wide there would be some doubling on the designer's initials and the date. As to the 1916/16 5c the first hubbing was weak, which accounts for the "fading" on the date but additional doubling can be seen elsewhere on the coin.
Look at the 1798 dollars BB-91 and 92 with 5 line elements in the shield which I discovered even though I am not an expert in that field, which the true experts had overlooked for decades. It was there, it just was not seen.
amazing point n shoot work there too
Made my day
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Initials:
Date:
Date and Initials:
The part of the head that might determine which hub 16/17/18 this is:
Shot of the Rim:
IGWT Shot upside down (not rotated)
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<< <i>Is there doubling on the L of LIBERTY or on the chin? Just curious. >>
This pic has the chin in it:
I didn't specifically take the "L" up close - next time I get it out I can - this is the best shot of the L I have, but doesn't look like it:
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I would not expect to see any doubling on LIBERTY based on where the initial hubbing faded out in IN GOD WE TRUST.
TD
<< <i>And so, time to submit to the forum hosts. Let us know what occurs. >>
I'm not sure this would get me very far, probably would just come back VG10-F15 or maybe VG/F Details damaged (Due to the hit on the reverse on the rim) but... I don't think PCGS would put anything on the slab that wasn't in the CPG.
It was my understanding on any discovery-type of coins, they need to go through CONECA, who will more than likely put it through ANACS if approved/assigned a number/deemed legit.
The Capt has sent the pics on to Mr. Fivaz, so at some point here in the next few days, once speculation dies down, and assuming this isn't proven to be something other than what most are guessing at the moment, I'm assuming I will be sending it off to him or someone from CONECA for further study, and perhaps some professional photos. From there, my guess is they will send it off to ANACS (Or maybe they have some deal with NGC/PCGS for situations like this) I'm not really sure.
I think for the next few days I'm just going to let the experts chime in and take any pics I can to help them, and see where this leads.
I certainly appreciate all the help, advice, PMs, support, etc - it's quite exciting.
So far the highlight of my numismatic career has been my name in RWB's Peace Dollar book for submitting a clipped dollar for his error section, if this pans out, will certainly top that (no offense RWB) 8-)
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This is fun!
TD
<< <i>Makes me want to dig through my 1919s again! >>
I guarantee there are a lot of 1919 dimes getting looked at very closely tonight. I know I've looked at a few.
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<< <i>unnoticed for almost 100 years?
When you consider the new species of plants and animals found each year..... >>
I don't mean to pick on this poster, but this argument drives me bananas. The number of die varieties for a particular date of US coinage is in no way comparable to the number of animal or plant species in the world, or the number of stars in the sky, or whatever frontier of discovery in the natural world you want to bring up. There were a finite and known number of dimes minted in Philadelphia in 1919, from a finite and known (or closely approximated) number of dies.
Obviously die varieties like this can go unnoticed for decades, you can tell by how long the coin in the OP circulated, and there probably weren't a lot of people studying 1919 dimes (before today, anyway), but it still boggles me that a variety that strong could go that long without being reported.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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<< <i>unnoticed for almost 100 years?
When you consider the new species of plants and animals found each year..... >>
I don't mean to pick on this poster, but this argument drives me bananas. The number of die varieties for a particular date of US coinage is in no way comparable to the number of animal or plant species in the world, or the number of stars in the sky, or whatever frontier of discovery in the natural world you want to bring up. There were a finite and known number of dimes minted in Philadelphia in 1919, from a finite and known (or closely approximated) number of dies.
Obviously die varieties like this can go unnoticed for decades, you can tell by how long the coin in the OP circulated, and there probably weren't a lot of people studying 1919 dimes (before today, anyway), but it still boggles me that a variety that strong could go that long without being reported.
Sean Reynolds >>
Last year I discovered a previously unknown 1897 10c RPD.
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Time will tell how rare this is, of course, but I think this is a plausible explanation. Something similar must have happened with the 1936 Walker, FS 801, which remains an extremely rare variety and to the the 1916/16 Buffalo.
BTW-the OP and his friend did this thing right-total honesty.
I agree that there are many looking for this thing, too, including me. It ranks right up there with the 42/41 and probably better if it turns out to be of great rarity. What a find!