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  • ShurkeShurke Posts: 650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, you’ve been busy, @TypeCoin971793! Thanks for that 1926 DDO census. I’ve been keeping track of the ones I’ve seen, but I wasn’t aware of about half of them.

  • MtW124MtW124 Posts: 442 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2024 8:27AM

    @TypeCoin971793 said:

    @StrikeOutXXX said:
    I think you've passed KearneyCC who had found several in past years to become the new 1919 DDO Eagle Eye.

    I’ve also found 5 of the 10 known 1926 DDO dimes. The current census for that is:

    ANACS MS60 Details (Discovery coin)
    PCGS AU53 (Unattributed, 45596215, found by Shurke)
    PCGS VF30 (My find, sold for $2500)
    PCGS VF30 (My find)
    NGC VF30
    NGC F15
    NGC VG10 (sold for ~$800 iirc)
    PCGS VG8 (My find)
    PCGS G6 (My find)
    PCGS G6 (My find)

    I went through all of my 1919’s and nothing but going through my dads blue Whitman book from 60 years ago in Feb of last year, he had a 1926 DDO-001 hidden in there. Had it sent into ANACS and it came back 06. I’m guessing I will have to pay the price for a 1919 DDO already encapsulated. 5352406 is the anacs #

  • @Shurke said:
    Wow, you’ve been busy, @TypeCoin971793! Thanks for that 1926 DDO census. I’ve been keeping track of the ones I’ve seen, but I wasn’t aware of about half of them.

    My job is to process bulk coins and pull out anything worth more than the bulk rate. I net about $95/hour in the stuff I pull out.

  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure if anyone saw this thread I posted in January on this 1919 DDO PCGS CAC grading set someone has but no one replied to it. Guess there wasn’t much interest. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1099859/pcgs-cac-grading-set-of-1919-ddo-mercury-dimes

    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners. :smile:
  • Found one more. The coin is trashed, but it is what it is



  • @Shurke said:
    Wow, you’ve been busy, @TypeCoin971793! Thanks for that 1926 DDO census. I’ve been keeping track of the ones I’ve seen, but I wasn’t aware of about half of them.

    I’ve found about 6 more since. One in VG, the rest G and below

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TypeCoin971793 said:

    @Shurke said:
    Wow, you’ve been busy, @TypeCoin971793! Thanks for that 1926 DDO census. I’ve been keeping track of the ones I’ve seen, but I wasn’t aware of about half of them.

    I’ve found about 6 more since. One in VG, the rest G and below

    Do you have pictures you can share of the 1926 DDO? Somehow I missed hearing about that dicovery.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • StrikeOutXXXStrikeOutXXX Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TypeCoin971793 said:
    Found one more. The coin is trashed, but it is what it is



    I added your newest to the census as #56, guess I'll call it a raw AG for now. Looks cleaned too?

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    I added your newest to the census as #56, guess I'll call it a raw AG for now. Looks cleaned too?

    It’s a cleaned and scratched FR imo. Die state B

  • yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread still amazes me.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinhead said:
    Another 1919 DDO Dime has been found! This is my first post but I have been a long time reader of these message boards. My name is Mark and I live in the Southeast US. I found the coin few months ago at a local show in a dealer’s single row box of 2x2’s.
    I was so stunned when I first saw it I blinked several times to make sure I was not just seeing double. This is my second one of these as I found coin #32 (a G4) 5 years ago.
    I submitted this one to Great Collections at the Nashville show feeling like it was a solid VF-20 shot 25. It graded a VF-20, tied for 5th finest. It amazes me that after 10 years since the first one was discovered there have not been any found above AU. Not sure we will ever know why this variety is so rare in high grades. I believe it is much rarer than a 1916 DDO nickel in all grades but will probably not be as popular a variety as the nickel is. Now with silver so high many more low grade examples of this variety will be lost to the melting pot.
    After this variety was discovered in 2015 I started looking at all the 1919 dimes I could locate and it took me 5 years to find my first one and now another 5 years to find my second one. Perhaps in 2030 I will find a third one but I am hoping to get one sooner.
    The thrill of the hunt, whether for varieties, upgrades or just the right coin for one’s collection is what makes coin collecting the greatest hobby in my opinion and there are still interesting discoveries just waiting to be found.
    A big thank you to StrikeOutXXX for starting this message and keeping it updated. Also thanks to our host and to GC for the great service they provide to the collecting community.

    I would love to see a picture of it. Please post a link when it comes up on Great Collections.

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whenever I see a coin that is basically common, but a very rare variety is known, and few if any of that variety are AU or better, my first thought is to suspect the item of being a vintage counterfeit. There are several coins that fit this characterization, such as: the 1924-S Quarter with doubled stars and mint mark, micro-o Morgan Dollars, etc.

    Looking at photos of the 1919 doubled-die dimes, I see no indication that they are of spurious origin.

    I know that the VAM-listed vintage-coutnterfeit "privately-made" Morgan Dollars have a slightly higher silver percentage (better than .900 fine). Have any of the 1919 doubled-die dimes ever been subjected to an XRF test ?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks! Pretty decent piece for the variety.
    TD

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    Whenever I see a coin that is basically common, but a very rare variety is known, and few if any of that variety are AU or better, my first thought is to suspect the item of being a vintage counterfeit. There are several coins that fit this characterization, such as: the 1924-S Quarter with doubled stars and mint mark, micro-o Morgan Dollars, etc.

    Looking at photos of the 1919 doubled-die dimes, I see no indication that they are of spurious origin.

    I know that the VAM-listed vintage-coutnterfeit "privately-made" Morgan Dollars have a slightly higher silver percentage (better than .900 fine). Have any of the 1919 doubled-die dimes ever been subjected to an XRF test ?

    With all due respect, the AU Details Specimen #2 (which a dealer friend of mine in Indiana discovered in tube stock after I sent out a notice on a dealer-to-dealer network to be on the lookout for this) has me 110% convinced that these are Mint products. You can't see it in the picture on page 1 of this thread, but even the dot between IN and GOD was doubled by the hub impressions. I can't see any other way that this die could have been made other than from a steel hub.

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @dcarr said:
    Whenever I see a coin that is basically common, but a very rare variety is known, and few if any of that variety are AU or better, my first thought is to suspect the item of being a vintage counterfeit. There are several coins that fit this characterization, such as: the 1924-S Quarter with doubled stars and mint mark, micro-o Morgan Dollars, etc.

    Looking at photos of the 1919 doubled-die dimes, I see no indication that they are of spurious origin.

    I know that the VAM-listed vintage-coutnterfeit "privately-made" Morgan Dollars have a slightly higher silver percentage (better than .900 fine). Have any of the 1919 doubled-die dimes ever been subjected to an XRF test ?

    With all due respect, the AU Details Specimen #2 (which a dealer friend of mine in Indiana discovered in tube stock after I sent out a notice on a dealer-to-dealer network to be on the lookout for this) has me 110% convinced that these are Mint products. You can't see it in the picture on page 1 of this thread, but even the dot between IN and GOD was doubled by the hub impressions. I can't see any other way that this die could have been made other than from a steel hub.

    .

    Like I wrote, I see no evidence of these being anything other than a US Mint product.
    But I am still curious about an XRF test.

    .

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    Whenever I see a coin that is basically common, but a very rare variety is known, and few if any of that variety are AU or better, my first thought is to suspect the item of being a vintage counterfeit. There are several coins that fit this characterization, such as: the 1924-S Quarter with doubled stars and mint mark, micro-o Morgan Dollars, etc.

    Looking at photos of the 1919 doubled-die dimes, I see no indication that they are of spurious origin.

    I know that the VAM-listed vintage-coutnterfeit "privately-made" Morgan Dollars have a slightly higher silver percentage (better than .900 fine). Have any of the 1919 doubled-die dimes ever been subjected to an XRF test ?

    I had the same gut-level reaction when this variety first appeared (a search would probably find the posts here), but the higher grade specimens and subsequent die study convinced me it is a legitimate Mint issue. That said, I don't think it's a terrible idea to subject a specimen to an XRF analysis to confirm that.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @dcarr said:
    Whenever I see a coin that is basically common, but a very rare variety is known, and few if any of that variety are AU or better, my first thought is to suspect the item of being a vintage counterfeit. There are several coins that fit this characterization, such as: the 1924-S Quarter with doubled stars and mint mark, micro-o Morgan Dollars, etc.

    Looking at photos of the 1919 doubled-die dimes, I see no indication that they are of spurious origin.

    I know that the VAM-listed vintage-coutnterfeit "privately-made" Morgan Dollars have a slightly higher silver percentage (better than .900 fine). Have any of the 1919 doubled-die dimes ever been subjected to an XRF test ?

    With all due respect, the AU Details Specimen #2 (which a dealer friend of mine in Indiana discovered in tube stock after I sent out a notice on a dealer-to-dealer network to be on the lookout for this) has me 110% convinced that these are Mint products. You can't see it in the picture on page 1 of this thread, but even the dot between IN and GOD was doubled by the hub impressions. I can't see any other way that this die could have been made other than from a steel hub.

    .

    Like I wrote, I see no evidence of these being anything other than a US Mint product.
    But I am still curious about an XRF test.

    .

    As am I on the 1923-D and 1930-D Dimes, to see if by any chance they are metallurgically related to the Small o dollar counterfeits, which would in turn help date the Small o counterfeits.

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @dcarr said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @dcarr said:
    Whenever I see a coin that is basically common, but a very rare variety is known, and few if any of that variety are AU or better, my first thought is to suspect the item of being a vintage counterfeit. There are several coins that fit this characterization, such as: the 1924-S Quarter with doubled stars and mint mark, micro-o Morgan Dollars, etc.

    Looking at photos of the 1919 doubled-die dimes, I see no indication that they are of spurious origin.

    I know that the VAM-listed vintage-coutnterfeit "privately-made" Morgan Dollars have a slightly higher silver percentage (better than .900 fine). Have any of the 1919 doubled-die dimes ever been subjected to an XRF test ?

    With all due respect, the AU Details Specimen #2 (which a dealer friend of mine in Indiana discovered in tube stock after I sent out a notice on a dealer-to-dealer network to be on the lookout for this) has me 110% convinced that these are Mint products. You can't see it in the picture on page 1 of this thread, but even the dot between IN and GOD was doubled by the hub impressions. I can't see any other way that this die could have been made other than from a steel hub.

    .

    Like I wrote, I see no evidence of these being anything other than a US Mint product.
    But I am still curious about an XRF test.

    .

    As am I on the 1923-D and 1930-D Dimes, to see if by any chance they are metallurgically related to the Small o dollar counterfeits, which would in turn help date the Small o counterfeits.

    .

    Yes, if I ever obtain a 1923-D or 1930-D dime, I will definitely get an XRF test done.

    .

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