<< <i>Shipping is handled by a contractor in Indiana. Disregard changes in ship dates. They will ship soon as the contractor (Fullfillment Center) gets them and ships them.
Projected date on splash page is for those buying at that moment. Does not affect prior orders. >>
I agree with what you say and most here understand the nuance. But the Mint could do a better job. On the splash page they could say " Shipping date for orders made today is approximately 08/29/2013". The date on your order summery page would be for your particular order, "Expected to ship on 09/08/2013". How can orders today show shipping before orders made on the first day? Confusing and contradictory to Mint policy of shipped in the order received. Then to stick the knife in a little more and have coins in Chicago a month before the earliest date of expected shipment shows a total lack of respect toward Mint customers. >>
Maybe the mint controls the date on the sale/splash page and the contractor is handling the date on the order page. Would make sense to have the contractor updating the order page since they control the logistics of shipping. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the order shipping dates are automatically updated as inventory comes in and goes out with the Fullfillment Center.
bottom line: everyone should get their coin(s) on the same day or before anyone that placed an order after them or on the same day or after anyone that placed an order before them. The early deliveries at the ANA are what should be disturbing, especially when those thousand coins took away from what was ready to be shipped to those that bought earlier. But I can see the Mint's perspective from a marketing angle, it was a great promo at a major coin show. Look for them to do this in the future. I suspect they planned on doing it with the ASE sets at the New Orleans show, but the coins just weren't ready.
For those concerned about First Strike eligibility it would only be fair for the TPGs to see the ANA release as anomally and stick to the mint shipping date + 30 days. Maybe even come up with an "Advance Release" label for the 1000 ANA coins as long as they are submitted before the shipping begins.
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
I cancelled my order placed 3 minutes in and placed another 28 minutes before the price went up. I don't want it quick I want as much time as possible to pay ( or cancel all together if I don't like the way things are going). Appears not to many here follow my game plan. I couldn't care less about slab labels or slabbing these for that matter. I like OGP. Who's with me? I LIKE OGP..I LIKE OGP..I LIKE OGP..I LIKE OGP.
<< <i>For those concerned about First Strike eligibility it would only be fair for the TPGs to see the ANA release as anomally and stick to the mint shipping date + 30 days. Maybe even come up with an "Advance Release" label for the 1000 ANA coins as long as they are submitted before the shipping begins. >>
Just got off the phone with PCGS CS. They do have a special label for the ANA obtained Buffalo's but it makes no mention of FS. It can be assumed that any coins with that label will be considered FS without having FS printed on the label. The situation in Chicago was unanticipated. Also, PCGS has set no dates as to FS for this coin. It is expected that any dates will be as before and start with the first shipments from the mint when ever they start.
<< <i>Just got off the phone with PCGS CS. They do have a special label for the ANA obtained Buffalo's but it makes no mention of FS. It can be assumed that any coins with that label will be considered FS without having FS printed on the label. The situation in Chicago was unanticipated. Also, PCGS has set no dates as to FS for this coin. It is expected that any dates will be as before and start with the first shipments from the mint when ever they start. >>
Well, if you want technicalities, the clock is supposed to start ticking when the mint first ships the coins.
The mint did not ship these coins. They brought the coins with them. No package was ever delivered to the customer.
And there's no need to label the slabs first strike or early release or whatever. I should be general knowledge that the Chicago ANA coins were pre-release specials. (Both NGC and PCGS have special ANA labels, and I'll bet the majority of the coins were graded on-site...)
How many ads in are CW and NN every week for current U.S. Mint products in the OGP for a substantial markup? If they didn't sell they would not be in ads every week. A fool and their money....
<< <i>Anybody who went to the ANA and saw these in person. What is your opinion? Are they much more attractive than what is shown in the stock pics? >>
I have not looked at the pics, but looked at one of mine for a second and it was and attractive reverse proof.
Can you imagine how much they would be selling the Reverse Proof Buffalo? >>
These fellas must have been old-lady-purse-snatchers in their previous lives... Now they pretty much still are but they don't need a revolver and actually charge for shipping!
<< <i>Anybody who went to the ANA and saw these in person. What is your opinion? Are they much more attractive than what is shown in the stock pics? >>
I have not looked at the pics, but looked at one of mine for a second and it was and attractive reverse proof. >>
OK looked at the mint site, that image is awful. The head and buffalo are black while the fields are matte.
<< <i>Anybody who went to the ANA and saw these in person. What is your opinion? Are they much more attractive than what is shown in the stock pics? >>
I have not looked at the pics, but looked at one of mine for a second and it was and attractive reverse proof. >>
OK looked at the mint site, that image is awful. The head and buffalo are black while the fields are matte. >>
Saw the reverse proof at the show .. real beautiful coin,, mint pictures and ebay pictures don't show the beauty of the reverse proof .. ebay has sold some at $$ 1995.00 already
<< <i>Saw the reverse proof at the show .. real beautiful coin,, mint pictures and ebay pictures don't show the beauty of the reverse proof .. ebay has sold some at $$ 1995.00 already >>
Not much profit after Feebay & PP fees + shipping.
The FeeBay pics of slabbed coins are the best pics of the coins that I've seen thus far. They are great looking coins - far nicer than I was expecting. I sure hope that they stay unique.
I wonder how these "Chicago" slabed non-fs, non-er coins will fare. They really don't fit into FS collections.
CS assures that the FS clock is NOT in motion. He couldn't say for sure but suspects the clock will start when the Mint starts shipping orders. Your guess is as good as mine as to when that will be.
Doesn't make it very clear in the case of the Chicago ANA Releases. One could make an arguement either way. >>
We all knew that PCGS First Strike didn't really mean the coins that were first struck by the Mint, but instead it was simply the coins delivered to customers in the first 30 days.
But if the clock doesn't start running as of 8/13 when the coins were first delivered by the Mint to customers at the Chicago ANA, then what does PCGS First Strike mean now??? Does it now mean coins that were delivered to those ordering through the Mint website and delivered within 30 days of the first guy getting his coin from an order through the Mint website, regardless of the delivery of other coins sold by the Mint?
I posted this a few days ago...but, I spoke with Corban over at PCGS and HE ASSURED ME THAT THE FS CLOCK WILL START WHEN THE MINT SHIPS OUT THE FIRST SHIPMENTS FROM THE FULFILLMENT CENTER (PBGS)...It doesn't really get any clearer IMO, as he has never been wrong before when I asked him
The policy, like every policy everywhere, covers the 99% of normal circumstances. Like I said previously, CS said that the Chicago sales of actual coins was unanticipated. Not a normal circumstance. Argue what you want but until PCGS says the clock has started it hasn't started. This is good news to all who ordered and are awaiting shipment confirmation. Why would you want to insist on strict adherence to a "policy" against your interest? Unless you happen to be at the Chicago ANA event and got one or more of the 1,000 coins available and want to push that advantage to have one of the 1,000 eligible for FS designation to the "tough luck" to the thousands who can't attend and ordered on the first day or so.
<< <i>The policy, like every policy everywhere, covers the 99% of normal circumstances. Like I said previously, CS said that the Chicago sales of actual coins was unanticipated. Not a normal circumstance. Argue what you want but until PCGS says the clock has started it hasn't started. This is good news to all who ordered and are awaiting shipment confirmation. Why would you want to insist on strict adherence to a "policy" against your interest? Unless you happen to be at the Chicago ANA event and got one or more of the 1,000 coins available and want to push that advantage to have one of the 1,000 eligible for FS designation to the "tough luck" to the thousands who can't attend and ordered on the first day or so. >>
The more coins eligible for FS, the more potential revenue to CLCT. Why would they want to put a collar on revenue?
<< <i>I posted this a few days ago...but, I spoke with Corban over at PCGS and HE ASSURED ME THAT THE FS CLOCK WILL START WHEN THE MINT SHIPS OUT THE FIRST SHIPMENTS FROM THE FULFILLMENT CENTER (PBGS)...It doesn't really get any clearer IMO, as he has never been wrong before when I asked him
Erik >>
How can PCGS know when the Mint ships out the first shipment??
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<< <i>I posted this a few days ago...but, I spoke with Corban over at PCGS and HE ASSURED ME THAT THE FS CLOCK WILL START WHEN THE MINT SHIPS OUT THE FIRST SHIPMENTS FROM THE FULFILLMENT CENTER (PBGS)...It doesn't really get any clearer IMO, as he has never been wrong before when I asked him
Erik >>
How can PCGS know when the Mint ships out the first shipment?? >>
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<< <i>Shipping is handled by a contractor in Indiana. Disregard changes in ship dates. They will ship soon as the contractor (Fullfillment Center) gets them and ships them.
Projected date on splash page is for those buying at that moment. Does not affect prior orders. >>
I agree with what you say and most here understand the nuance. But the Mint could do a better job. On the splash page they could say " Shipping date for orders made today is approximately 08/29/2013". The date on your order summery page would be for your particular order, "Expected to ship on 09/08/2013". How can orders today show shipping before orders made on the first day? Confusing and contradictory to Mint policy of shipped in the order received. Then to stick the knife in a little more and have coins in Chicago a month before the earliest date of expected shipment shows a total lack of respect toward Mint customers. >>
Maybe the mint controls the date on the sale/splash page and the contractor is handling the date on the order page. Would make sense to have the contractor updating the order page since they control the logistics of shipping. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the order shipping dates are automatically updated as inventory comes in and goes out with the Fullfillment Center.
bottom line: everyone should get their coin(s) on the same day or before anyone that placed an order after them or on the same day or after anyone that placed an order before them. The early deliveries at the ANA are what should be disturbing, especially when those thousand coins took away from what was ready to be shipped to those that bought earlier. But I can see the Mint's perspective from a marketing angle, it was a great promo at a major coin show. Look for them to do this in the future. I suspect they planned on doing it with the ASE sets at the New Orleans show, but the coins just weren't ready.
For those concerned about First Strike eligibility it would only be fair for the TPGs to see the ANA release as anomally and stick to the mint shipping date + 30 days. Maybe even come up with an "Advance Release" label for the 1000 ANA coins as long as they are submitted before the shipping begins.
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
(exp from buying first spouse same day as first sales day and overnighting there.)
It got tougher to get both when MCM ditched its OGP biz
Coinfame,Kaelasdad,Type2,UNLVino,MICHAELDIXON
Justacommeman,tydye,78saen,123cents,blue62vette,Segoja,Nibanny
They look better than I thought they would
Erik
29,453 up 2,548 from yesterday
<< <i>For those concerned about First Strike eligibility it would only be fair for the TPGs to see the ANA release as anomally and stick to the mint shipping date + 30 days. Maybe even come up with an "Advance Release" label for the 1000 ANA coins as long as they are submitted before the shipping begins. >>
Maybe an "Abby-Normal First Striike" label.
Also, PCGS has set no dates as to FS for this coin. It is expected that any dates will be as before and start with the first shipments from the mint when ever they start.
<< <i>Just got off the phone with PCGS CS. They do have a special label for the ANA obtained Buffalo's but it makes no mention of FS. It can be assumed that any coins with that label will be considered FS without having FS printed on the label. The situation in Chicago was unanticipated.
Also, PCGS has set no dates as to FS for this coin. It is expected that any dates will be as before and start with the first shipments from the mint when ever they start. >>
Well, if you want technicalities, the clock is supposed to start ticking when the mint first ships the coins.
The mint did not ship these coins. They brought the coins with them. No package was ever delivered to the customer.
And there's no need to label the slabs first strike or early release or whatever. I should be general knowledge that the Chicago ANA coins were pre-release specials. (Both NGC and PCGS have special ANA labels, and I'll bet the majority of the coins were graded on-site...)
which means nice fees for CLCT
HSN
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
<< <i>release the HSN hounds:
HSN >>
Another example of stupid American sheeple.......or as Rush Limbaugh says....."Low information Voter"
<< <i>release the HSN hounds:
HSN >>
That's the regular proof correct? Funny
Erik
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<< <i>release the HSN hounds:
HSN >>
That's the regular proof correct? Funny
Erik >>
Can you imagine how much they would be selling the Reverse Proof Buffalo?
Coinfame,Kaelasdad,Type2,UNLVino,MICHAELDIXON
Justacommeman,tydye,78saen,123cents,blue62vette,Segoja,Nibanny
How many ads in are CW and NN every week for current U.S. Mint products in the OGP for a substantial markup? If they didn't sell they would not be in ads every week. A fool and their money....
<< <i>Anybody who went to the ANA and saw these in person. What is your opinion? Are they much more attractive than what is shown in the stock pics? >>
I have not looked at the pics, but looked at one of mine for a second and it was and attractive reverse proof.
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<< <i>release the HSN hounds:
HSN >>
That's the regular proof correct? Funny
Erik >>
Can you imagine how much they would be selling the Reverse Proof Buffalo?
These fellas must have been old-lady-purse-snatchers in their previous lives... Now they pretty much still are but they don't need a revolver and actually charge for shipping!
Erik
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<< <i>Anybody who went to the ANA and saw these in person. What is your opinion? Are they much more attractive than what is shown in the stock pics? >>
I have not looked at the pics, but looked at one of mine for a second and it was and attractive reverse proof. >>
OK looked at the mint site, that image is awful. The head and buffalo are black while the fields are matte.
It keeps the mintage down.
<< <i>release the HSN hounds:
HSN >>
So, did anyone add a few to their "BAG"?
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<< <i>Anybody who went to the ANA and saw these in person. What is your opinion? Are they much more attractive than what is shown in the stock pics? >>
I have not looked at the pics, but looked at one of mine for a second and it was and attractive reverse proof. >>
OK looked at the mint site, that image is awful. The head and buffalo are black while the fields are matte. >>
Thanks for the input sir.
Coinfame,Kaelasdad,Type2,UNLVino,MICHAELDIXON
Justacommeman,tydye,78saen,123cents,blue62vette,Segoja,Nibanny
<< <i>
<< <i>release the HSN hounds:
HSN >>
That's the regular proof correct? Funny
Erik >>
It's just gross 3K, the reverse will probably go for 5K.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
This is the usuall top selling price for PCGS 70 graded Proof Buffalos which is $ 300 over mint price.
That is what the maximum price for the RP Buffalo should be as it is currently available in unlimited quantities.
EDIT: If you buy more than one, can you request separate shipping boxes? Would rather not have two in the same box.
<< <i>The chances of the RP price going down is probably next to none?
EDIT: If you buy more than one, can you request separate shipping boxes? Would rather not have two in the same box. >>
I think you need to place two separate orders to have the boxed separately.
<< <i>Saw the reverse proof at the show .. real beautiful coin,, mint pictures and ebay pictures don't show the beauty of the reverse proof .. ebay has sold some at $$ 1995.00 already >>
Not much profit after Feebay & PP fees + shipping.
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
<< <i>"Chicago ANA Releases" label is now on ebay >>
Perhaps not....Silvertowne removed both listings for: "error in listing"
<< <i>"Chicago ANA Releases" label is now on ebay >>
Seller is Silvertowne, parent company for The Coin Vault.
I wonder how these "Chicago" slabed non-fs, non-er coins will fare. They really don't fit into FS collections.
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<< <i>"Chicago ANA Releases" label is now on ebay >>
Seller is Silvertowne, parent company for The Coin Vault. >>
5 year old thread ... may bring some light on the subject, but I'm not sure if the info is still current.
Previous CV thread
30,482 only up 1,029 from yesterday. Price increase hits sales.
<< <i>Well, if you want technicalities, the clock is supposed to start ticking when the mint first ships the coins. >>
The coins are in collector hands as of 8/14/13. Unless there is some special rule change, I would suspect the FS ticker is in motion.
Doesn't make it very clear in the case of the Chicago ANA Releases. One could make an arguement either way.
"How many times can a man turn his head and pretend he just doesn’t see?” - Bob Dylan
<< <i>PCGS First Strike policy
Doesn't make it very clear in the case of the Chicago ANA Releases. One could make an arguement either way. >>
We all knew that PCGS First Strike didn't really mean the coins that were first struck by the Mint, but instead it was simply the coins delivered to customers in the first 30 days.
But if the clock doesn't start running as of 8/13 when the coins were first delivered by the Mint to customers at the Chicago ANA, then what does PCGS First Strike mean now??? Does it now mean coins that were delivered to those ordering through the Mint website and delivered within 30 days of the first guy getting his coin from an order through the Mint website, regardless of the delivery of other coins sold by the Mint?
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Erik
<< <i>The policy, like every policy everywhere, covers the 99% of normal circumstances. Like I said previously, CS said that the Chicago sales of actual coins was unanticipated. Not a normal circumstance. Argue what you want but until PCGS says the clock has started it hasn't started. This is good news to all who ordered and are awaiting shipment confirmation. Why would you want to insist on strict adherence to a "policy" against your interest? Unless you happen to be at the Chicago ANA event and got one or more of the 1,000 coins available and want to push that advantage to have one of the 1,000 eligible for FS designation to the "tough luck" to the thousands who can't attend and ordered on the first day or so. >>
The more coins eligible for FS, the more potential revenue to CLCT. Why would they want to put a collar on revenue?
Exactly.
<< <i>New Counter
30,482 only up 1,029 from yesterday. Price increase hits sales. >>
Probably headed for a few sub 1,000 sales days. If gold keeps up, maybe a Tues/Weds sales spike next week like this past week.
<< <i>I posted this a few days ago...but, I spoke with Corban over at PCGS and HE ASSURED ME THAT THE FS CLOCK WILL START WHEN THE MINT SHIPS OUT THE FIRST SHIPMENTS FROM THE FULFILLMENT CENTER (PBGS)...It doesn't really get any clearer IMO, as he has never been wrong before when I asked him
Erik >>
How can PCGS know when the Mint ships out the first shipment??
<< <i>
<< <i>I posted this a few days ago...but, I spoke with Corban over at PCGS and HE ASSURED ME THAT THE FS CLOCK WILL START WHEN THE MINT SHIPS OUT THE FIRST SHIPMENTS FROM THE FULFILLMENT CENTER (PBGS)...It doesn't really get any clearer IMO, as he has never been wrong before when I asked him
Erik >>
How can PCGS know when the Mint ships out the first shipment?? >>
IDK...maybe they ask Ray Donovan???
Erik