The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure.
The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure. >>
I have to say that as much as I play the plastic game because the 70's and some labels simply do bring more, I love the issues in the OGP by far the best.
The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure. >>
I have to say that as much as I play the plastic game because the 70's and some labels simply do bring more, I love the issues in the OGP by far the best. >>
I'm with you on that; however from the perspective of preservation of the fragile proof surfaces, I go with the slab. Those plastic OGP capsules do come apart, and if that happens, it would be very easy to accidentally scratch or drop the coin. I think I would be less concerned about passing the coin to someone else for close examination if the coin is in a slab rather than in the OGP capsule. Also, it's far easier for me at least to store the slab than to store the elaborate boxes.
The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure. >>
I have to say that as much as I play the plastic game because the 70's and some labels simply do bring more, I love the issues in the OGP by far the best. >>
I'm with you on that; however from the perspective of preservation of the fragile proof surfaces, I go with the slab. Those plastic OGP capsules do come apart, and if that happens, it would be very easy to accidentally scratch or drop the coin. I think I would be less concerned about passing the coin to someone else for close examination if the coin is in a slab rather than in the OGP capsule. Also, it's far easier for me at least to store the slab than to store the elaborate boxes. >>
All excellent points!
I had many '08 W buff fractionals with capsules which came apart very easily.
I also remember looking at an '08 W Plat Proof at the Mint sales counter in D.C. when it fell out of the capsule and onto the floor.
Like many others, I've had many coins out of the capsules all together upon arrival from the Mint contractor.
Anyway, great points as to the advantage of slabs. I was speaking from a strictly aesthetic point of view. Some issues just look fantastic in the OGP - which in some cases is a work of art in itself.
So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario?
I won a Black Diamond REV. PR70 on Ebay and got it Thursday. I like the regular proof better BUT I do like the Reverse Proof, they look awesome side by side.
Not sure what I'm going to do on my Mint orders. Ordered 8-14, Mint still has them bo'd expected to ship TODAY.........Don't you love PBGS?
<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario? >>
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better.
<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario? >>
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better. >>
It isn't a contest, it is a random drawing... the content has no bearing on the probability of win or loss.... just sayin....
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<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario? >>
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better. >>
It isn't a contest, it is a random drawing... the content has no bearing on the probability of win or loss.... just sayin....
John >>
Not to paranoid conspiracy advocates
Sorry derryb...couldn't help myself
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario? >>
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better. >>
As mentioned before it is a random drawing and not a contest. I have both the regular proof and the reverse proof. Both purchased from Modern Coin Mart. I like the reverse proof better.
Someone stated my video was a commercial for MCM. May be it is, however the opinions expressed about the coin and where I purchased it from are very sincere.
I have ordered an engraved wood presentation box for both coins as a set to be put away for my grandson who was born on 8/31/2013.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Ill chime in on the RP as being a coin that does not impress me as being particularly successful from an artistic standpoint. I enjoy the series very much as a timeless design in both nickel and gold but the character of the Bison and the Indian are lost in the reflective surface. I was always struck with how well rendered both the Bison and the Indian were, true to life examples of excellent craft. The RP is more about technique than artistry IMHO and subjective opinion. I wouldn't be surprised to see a run at an enhanced in the future.
To be perfectly honest, I like (aesthetically) both the Enhanced silver eagle and the 2006 RP Gold Eagle better than the Buff. However, I think the buff has something "special" about it the other two do not.
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<< <i>To be perfectly honest, I like (aesthetically) both the Enhanced silver eagle and the 2006 RP Gold Eagle better than the Buff. However, I think the buff has something "special" about it the other two do not.
John >>
Being a silver addict I have to say the Enhanced Silver Eagle is my favorite coin. As you mentioned the shine of the Indian and the Buffalo has that special
" In your face " look about it. Both are special coins that will bring pleasure to many for years to come.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Thanks Miles. My pleasure. I can state w/certainty that " the views expressed on my video were my own.". I am a huge fan of MCM. What I said was absolutely sincere and reflective of my many experiences with MCM both buying and selling. As to the RP, it's totally subjective of course. I personally like it better than the regular proof and substantially so. That said, I absolutely understand and appreciate the well articulated views of those who feel otherwise.
New to the forum as a poster, but have read just about all of it. I got three of the RP Buffs and still have 2 in the box. Happened to be going to Vegas in Oct and thought about leaving them in the box to take and get graded at the show. Does it really matter that I leave it unopened in the shipping box? If I do, anybody ever had TSA insist on opening a box in security? Thanks!
Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college. >>
It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin >>
Oh really?? Hum, I sold my 2011-W PCGS PR70 FS Buff Label for $5k last year. So, 3x spot??? That works for me!!!
The interesting part is the buy bought a Black Diamond label for less (about $750) but came back and bought mine because of the label. He thought be had bought the FS Buff Label but realized after receiving it, it was the diamond label. He wanted the Buff FS label and was willing to pay extra for it.
Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college. >>
It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin >>
Oh really?? Hum, I sold my 2011-W PCGS PR70 FS Buff Label for $5k last year. So, 3x spot??? That works for me!!!
The interesting part is the buy bought a Black Diamond label for less (about $750) but came back and bought mine because of the label. He thought be had bought the FS Buff Label but realized after receiving it, it was the diamond label. He wanted the Buff FS label and was willing to pay extra for it. >>
Here are the PCGS Pirice guides for Buffalo PCGS pf dcams........2006 ...2400 2007.. 2700 2008.. 4500 2009... 2200 2011.. 2400 2012.. 2200 Right now you can buy a PCGS 70 PF DCAM ..BIN price of 3000..2011 I have followed these closely because I own the set in 70s
NEW REVERSE PROOF REGULAR POPULATION REPORT NUMBERS New numbers have been posted but the combining of the ANA (520265) and First Strike (520051) numbers into the non-First Strike (520050) number has not been corrected yet as promised by the editor of the population reports. I will check him on Monday. Possibly no non-First Strikes have been graded, so no numbers are available to be plugged in. In previous year population reports there is a "BASE" number that appears to be the non-First Strike number shown. That number combined with the First Strike number equal the by the year. No "BASE" is shown for the Reverse Proof and this could be the correction that is still coming. You can see the report by year here: LINK Click the + signs to expand the year report. And note there is 1 FS 65 reported. Yikes! 2013-W $50 American Buffalo Rev PR First Strike; 65=1, 69=406, 70=934, total=1,341 2013-W $50 American Buffalo Rev PR Chicago ANA; 68=1, 69=309, 70=390, total=700 69.6% of the First Strikes are grading as 70, a similar percentage to the ASE 2 coin set numbers.
Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college. >>
It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin >>
Oh really?? Hum, I sold my 2011-W PCGS PR70 FS Buff Label for $5k last year. So, 3x spot??? That works for me!!!
The interesting part is the buy bought a Black Diamond label for less (about $750) but came back and bought mine because of the label. He thought be had bought the FS Buff Label but realized after receiving it, it was the diamond label. He wanted the Buff FS label and was willing to pay extra for it. >>
Here are the PCGS Pirice guides for Buffalo PCGS pf dcams........2006 ...2400 2007.. 2700 2008.. 4500 2009... 2200 2011.. 2400 2012.. 2200 Right now you can buy a PCGS 70 PF DCAM ..BIN price of 3000..2011 I have followed these closely because I own the set in 70s >>
Then it looks like a sold it at the RIGHT time. I am looking at the eBay "Congratulations" email right now.
Is the regular old flag label going to be the 2013*W GBRP label winner?....chances are looking good!!! >>
Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest.
<< <i>Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest. >>
I don't think any of the non-bulk buffalos have made it through the grading process yet. Only the Flag label is available to regular submissions for First Strike for reasons that have not been explained. They have only been in PCGS hands for 10 days as of today. Look for some next week to be completed and notice emails sent out for expedited service users . I hope to see a post when anyone gets their email notice. It take 1-3 days for the shipping email to go out after the completion email then 2 to 4 days for the USPS to make delivery back into customers hands. I wouldn't expect to see posting of in-hand reports till the 16th give or take (for expedited service users) and standard service users around the 23rd.
I noticed the label on some coins do not include the coin number as some of the other reverse proofs I have seen.
Looked again and saw many with and without the coin number. Mine from MCM had the coin number on it. Does any one know if there are both kinds of labels and why ?
Hope this does not create another variety for the label chasers.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Hattrick, thanks. I had to do a lot of extra push-ups in the Army 'cos of guys like you noticing my screw ups. For that,... I disqualify myself here and now.
I did the video mostly as a joke, for fun. It was like "dancing with the stars". Dances with wolves and ... Grease , all in 3 minutes.
Regarding the 2011-w Buffalo, the FS 70 label is a very low population and adds a big premium to the price. Yes you can buy a pr70 for around 3k as a BIN. Add the FS to the search and you find a 2k premium for that label. The last FS that sold at eBay auction closed over 4k
Hi Folks I was also one of the few to get the generous offer from MCM RP 2013 Buff. I took a video but had problems uploading it. Finally it did yesterday night and here it is. This is my first attempt, so there will be glitches. My son also stars in this. He is an excited YN, who hopefully will become a full-fledged coin-junkie soon
I liked the Reverse proof very much. I have the normal proof also and I think the shiny bison shows very well - almost high relief. The vieo is my opinion and is not of anyone else (and of course with some commentary from my 6 year old).
<< <i>New to the forum as a poster, but have read just about all of it. I got three of the RP Buffs and still have 2 in the box. Happened to be going to Vegas in Oct and thought about leaving them in the box to take and get graded at the show. Does it really matter that I leave it unopened in the shipping box? If I do, anybody ever had TSA insist on opening a box in security? Thanks! >>
Glad to have you on the forum!
It is very important that you leave them in the sealed Mint shipping box if you wish for them to graded First Strike. PCGS will grade coins FS, opened or not, if they are received w/in the FS deadline which is posted on the site. Coins can be submitted for FS grading after that provided that they were shipped from the Mint w/in the deadline and are submitted in the sealed Mint shipping box. If you don't care about FS you can open the box and screen the coins.
As to airport security I would guess that it's likely that they would make you open the box. I would not chance it. I'd just ship them to PCGS. As long as you ship w/in the FS deadline you can open the box and screen the coins first as I mentioned.
I ordered a couple of the FS 70 Reverse Proof Buffs from GC, (although I am just as likely to buy from MCM for new issues that are freshly-slabbed). Based on the comments here, I'm sure that I'll like them when I receive them. I'm kind of in the same camp with derryb until I can compare them - I think that the appearance of the Regular Proof is going to be hard to beat. The Proof Gold Buffs are awesome coins, all the way.
I also agree with John Maben that the Enhanced Unc Silver Eagle is one impressive coin, and incidently it makes a great companion to the Reverse Proof in the West Point Set. I do give Kudos to the Mint for the very interesting contrast between the fields and the soft powdery frosted finish on these coins. In a word, WoW!
I can't wait to compare the 2006-W Gold Eagle Reverse Proof to the 2013-W Gold Buffalo Reverse Proof. I suspect that the Mint has found ways to make the new RP gold issues even more dramatic. Interesting times, indeed.
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<< <i>Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest. >>
<< <i>Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest. >>
<< <i>Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest. >>
<< <i>Hi Folks I was also one of the few to get the generous offer from MCM RP 2013 Buff. I took a video but had problems uploading it. Finally it did yesterday night and here it is. This is my first attempt, so there will be glitches. My son also stars in this. He is an excited YN, who hopefully will become a full-fledged coin-junkie soon
I liked the Reverse proof very much. I have the normal proof also and I think the shiny bison shows very well - almost high relief. The vieo is my opinion and is not of anyone else (and of course with some commentary from my 6 year old). >>
Enjoyed the video. I liked the historical narrative and espcially enjoyed your enthusiastic YN assistant!! Thanks for posting.
<< <i>All PCGS70's are now OUT OF STOCK at MCM again. May be a price change comming ? >>
Not when I look. Click on my link above. then you can go to their RP link and see them all with prices. you can add a few to your cart while you are there!!
raja, liked the video you posted but for the first couple of minutes I was on the edge of my seat thinking you were going to cut yourself!! Please be careful with those scissors!!!
I received my order from MCM and they certainly did a great job and provided a great deal/service to us all. Many thanks and I will certainly be using MCM for any future modern purchases.
As far as the coin itself, I really don't care for it. I think the regular proof looks much better. If I didn't get in @$1640 I'd send back the one from the mint that arrived today.
<< <i> If I didn't get in @$1640 I'd send back the one from the mint that arrived today. >>
Hey nags, what day did you order?
I ordered on 8-14 before the price increase. Mine are still on bo expected to ship 9-8 (yesterday). Called PBGS and they now say orders are expected to ship 9-27.....
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<< <i>Very cool video Raufus! >>
Thanks you!
Wow - figures the Flag Label is the only one that I didn't get....
$2650! >>
Is the regular old flag label going to be the 2013*W GBRP label winner?....chances are looking good!!! >>
Looking that way. Wow, did I guess wrong.
I think that the fact that's it been around since the series started (as others have noted), for set consistency purposes it will win out.
The Bison label did so well for the 08's I figured that this may be the case here. Looking like I was wrong.
<< <i>Mine finally finished uploading. Here it is:
Link
BTW, I'm on beer #2 right now...
If you've got the time, take a gander at the other video I posted. It's from my recent safari to Zambia...
Cheers, >>
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Thanks you!
Wow - figures the Flag Label is the only one that I didn't get....
$2650! >>
Latest Flag Label $2,200
Latest Black Diamond Label $2,145
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Thanks you!
Wow - figures the Flag Label is the only one that I didn't get....
$2650! >>
Latest Flag Label $2,200
Latest Black Diamond Label $2,145 >>
The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure.
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Wow - figures the Flag Label is the only one that I didn't get....
$2650! >>
Latest Flag Label $2,200
Latest Black Diamond Label $2,145 >>
The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure. >>
I have to say that as much as I play the plastic game because the 70's and some labels simply do bring more, I love the issues in the OGP by far the best.
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Wow - figures the Flag Label is the only one that I didn't get....
$2650! >>
Latest Flag Label $2,200
Latest Black Diamond Label $2,145 >>
The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure. >>
I have to say that as much as I play the plastic game because the 70's and some labels simply do bring more, I love the issues in the OGP by far the best. >>
I'm with you on that; however from the perspective of preservation of the fragile proof surfaces, I go with the slab. Those plastic OGP capsules do come apart, and if that happens, it would be very easy to accidentally scratch or drop the coin. I think I would be less concerned about passing the coin to someone else for close examination if the coin is in a slab rather than in the OGP capsule. Also, it's far easier for me at least to store the slab than to store the elaborate boxes.
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Thanks you!
Wow - figures the Flag Label is the only one that I didn't get....
$2650! >>
Latest Flag Label $2,200
Latest Black Diamond Label $2,145 >>
The Black Diamond label auction is really the buyer's choice of the three labels. I didn't see any way to determine which label that particular buyer chose. So one can't draw any conclusions from that "Black Diamond" auction.
Is there really consensus here that once the thousands and thousands of these coins are graded PR70 FS in some fashion, there will be a clear preference shown by a meaningful difference in price for these labels? And I include the ANA labels here. Perhaps there will be some who like to boast about their labels, but do you really think that, with time, anyone will care about these differences?
My own opinion is no. But it matters not to me anyway as I will not care about labels no matter what the future brings. I have my MCM Black Diamond PR70 courtesy of John, and I will have another from the mint that I will have graded and miss the FS cutoff due to my return for replacement. It's a beautiful coin regardless of the label. The real concern should be that the mint will make more in future years thus diminishing the uniqueness of this coin. I'm hopeful, that as a memento of the 100th anniversary of the design, the mint will not strike more in the future.
Over time, there will be some attrition - not every buyer will slab his/her coin and therefore some will acquire contact marks; if gold goes up, some will be inevitably melted, and barring future strikes, the PR70 coins have to be a winner. If gold plummets, then I'm not so sure. >>
I have to say that as much as I play the plastic game because the 70's and some labels simply do bring more, I love the issues in the OGP by far the best. >>
I'm with you on that; however from the perspective of preservation of the fragile proof surfaces, I go with the slab. Those plastic OGP capsules do come apart, and if that happens, it would be very easy to accidentally scratch or drop the coin. I think I would be less concerned about passing the coin to someone else for close examination if the coin is in a slab rather than in the OGP capsule. Also, it's far easier for me at least to store the slab than to store the elaborate boxes. >>
All excellent points!
I had many '08 W buff fractionals with capsules which came apart very easily.
I also remember looking at an '08 W Plat Proof at the Mint sales counter in D.C. when it fell out of the capsule and onto the floor.
Like many others, I've had many coins out of the capsules all together upon arrival from the Mint contractor.
Anyway, great points as to the advantage of slabs. I was speaking from a strictly aesthetic point of view. Some issues just look fantastic in the OGP - which in some cases is a work of art in itself.
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Cancel box clock is ticking down quickly.
<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario?
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better.
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<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario?
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better. >>
It isn't a contest, it is a random drawing... the content has no bearing on the probability of win or loss.... just sayin....
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<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario?
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better. >>
It isn't a contest, it is a random drawing... the content has no bearing on the probability of win or loss.... just sayin....
John >>
Not to paranoid conspiracy advocates
Sorry derryb...couldn't help myself
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<< <i>So from the consensus so far from all those that posted videos of them opening the reverse gold proof buffalo from MCM .. I have not heard a single one of them say" Ah...its OK but i like the regular proof better" Or "Its nice but its not like the UHR." So far i have heard from the folks on the video that saw this for the first time that it looks" Fantastic,"" Beautiful," Absolutely Gorgeous." So i assume the naysayers were left out from buying this mint offering or did they buy one last minute for the just in case scenario?
considering the videos are part of a contest, is it possible that any negative take on the coin was expressed outside of the video? I have one of the coins and I think it's OK but I like the regular proof better. >>
As mentioned before it is a random drawing and not a contest. I have both the regular proof and the reverse proof. Both purchased from Modern Coin Mart. I like the reverse proof better.
Someone stated my video was a commercial for MCM. May be it is, however the opinions expressed about the coin and where I purchased it from are very sincere.
I have ordered an engraved wood presentation box for both coins as a set to be put away for my grandson who was born on 8/31/2013.
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<< <i>WARNING: You will have to stand on your head to watch this video.
Sorry but I was a You Tube Virgin. ( Keep the comments clean ) It took me to 1:00 AM to finish
as it was my first time for making a video, creating account and uploading video. Also had issues with
my security settings and IE10 Add on issues. I learned a lot last night. Sorry for the long intro.
Here it is: 2013 RP BUFFALO UNBOXING >>
Good commercial and you should work for MCM.
Looks like a 'copy stand' video production.
I didn't have anyone to record the video so I set my I phone on the hutch above my computer desk facing down.
Didn't think that since I was facing the opposite way from the phone that it would be upside down.
Anyway I learned a lot from the six hour project and will know what to do in the future.
It is gratifying to see that you are willing to share your passion & personalities surrounding this beautiful coin.
I am very happy about my MCM choice, once again. I first started with MCM on ebay around 2006. History matters.
Miles
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Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college.
<< <i>Thank you all that have taken the time (Hattrick, Raufus, TwoSides, CoinMeister, Kimber45, Mbogoman) to post the MCM appreciation videos!
It is gratifying to see that you are willing to share your passion & personalities surrounding this beautiful coin.
I am very happy about my MCM choice, once again. I first started with MCM on ebay around 2006. History matters.
Miles >>
The pleasure was mine! Thanks for the special recognition, Miles!
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<< <i>To be perfectly honest, I like (aesthetically) both the Enhanced silver eagle and the 2006 RP Gold Eagle better than the Buff. However, I think the buff has something "special" about it the other two do not.
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Being a silver addict I have to say the Enhanced Silver Eagle is my favorite coin. As you mentioned the shine of the Indian and the Buffalo has that special
" In your face " look about it. Both are special coins that will bring pleasure to many for years to come.
I can state w/certainty that " the views expressed on my video were my own.". I am a huge fan of MCM. What I said was absolutely sincere and reflective of my many experiences with MCM both buying and selling.
As to the RP, it's totally subjective of course. I personally like it better than the regular proof and substantially so. That said, I absolutely understand and appreciate the well articulated views of those who feel otherwise.
<< <i>Thank you all that have taken the time (Hattrick, Raufus, TwoSides, CoinMeister, Kimber45, Mbogoman) to post the MCM appreciation videos!
It is gratifying to see that you are willing to share your passion & personalities surrounding this beautiful coin.
I am very happy about my MCM choice, once again. I first started with MCM on ebay around 2006. History matters.
Miles >>
Thanks Miles,
I am happy that you enjoyed the videos and hope they were informative and entertaining to everyone else on the Forum.
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Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college. >>
It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin
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It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin >>
That's probably true. And by then, it mightn't be enough for a loaf of bread, but if it is, they won't have to fight over my wheat sense.
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Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college. >>
It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin >>
Oh really?? Hum, I sold my 2011-W PCGS PR70 FS Buff Label for $5k last year. So, 3x spot??? That works for me!!!
The interesting part is the buy bought a Black Diamond label for less (about $750) but came back and bought mine because of the label. He thought be had bought the FS Buff Label but realized after receiving it, it was the diamond label. He wanted the Buff FS label and was willing to pay extra for it.
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Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college. >>
It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin >>
Oh really?? Hum, I sold my 2011-W PCGS PR70 FS Buff Label for $5k last year. So, 3x spot??? That works for me!!!
The interesting part is the buy bought a Black Diamond label for less (about $750) but came back and bought mine because of the label. He thought be had bought the FS Buff Label but realized after receiving it, it was the diamond label. He wanted the Buff FS label and was willing to pay extra for it. >>
Here are the PCGS Pirice guides for Buffalo PCGS pf dcams........2006 ...2400
2007.. 2700
2008.. 4500
2009... 2200
2011.. 2400
2012.. 2200
Right now you can buy a PCGS 70 PF DCAM ..BIN price of 3000..2011
I have followed these closely because I own the set in 70s
New numbers have been posted but the combining of the ANA (520265) and First Strike (520051) numbers into the non-First Strike (520050) number has not been corrected yet as promised by the editor of the population reports. I will check him on Monday. Possibly no non-First Strikes have been graded, so no numbers are available to be plugged in. In previous year population reports there is a "BASE" number that appears to be the non-First Strike number shown. That number combined with the First Strike number equal the by the year. No "BASE" is shown for the Reverse Proof and this could be the correction that is still coming. You can see the report by year here: LINK Click the + signs to expand the year report.
And note there is 1 FS 65 reported. Yikes!
2013-W $50 American Buffalo Rev PR First Strike; 65=1, 69=406, 70=934, total=1,341
2013-W $50 American Buffalo Rev PR Chicago ANA; 68=1, 69=309, 70=390, total=700
69.6% of the First Strikes are grading as 70, a similar percentage to the ASE 2 coin set numbers.
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Hopefully 3 grandchildren won't find out until they start college. >>
It will same premiums to spot gold as other gold proof buffalos except 2008 The reverse Gold buff is a pretty coin >>
Oh really?? Hum, I sold my 2011-W PCGS PR70 FS Buff Label for $5k last year. So, 3x spot??? That works for me!!!
The interesting part is the buy bought a Black Diamond label for less (about $750) but came back and bought mine because of the label. He thought be had bought the FS Buff Label but realized after receiving it, it was the diamond label. He wanted the Buff FS label and was willing to pay extra for it. >>
Here are the PCGS Pirice guides for Buffalo PCGS pf dcams........2006 ...2400
2007.. 2700
2008.. 4500
2009... 2200
2011.. 2400
2012.. 2200
Right now you can buy a PCGS 70 PF DCAM ..BIN price of 3000..2011
I have followed these closely because I own the set in 70s >>
Then it looks like a sold it at the RIGHT time.
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<< <i>Very cool video Raufus! >>
Thanks you!
Wow - figures the Flag Label is the only one that I didn't get....
$2650! >>
Is the regular old flag label going to be the 2013*W GBRP label winner?....chances are looking good!!! >>
Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest.
<< <i>Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest. >>
I don't think any of the non-bulk buffalos have made it through the grading process yet. Only the Flag label is available to regular submissions for First Strike for reasons that have not been explained. They have only been in PCGS hands for 10 days as of today. Look for some next week to be completed and notice emails sent out for expedited service users . I hope to see a post when anyone gets their email notice. It take 1-3 days for the shipping email to go out after the completion email then 2 to 4 days for the USPS to make delivery back into customers hands. I wouldn't expect to see posting of in-hand reports till the 16th give or take (for expedited service users) and standard service users around the 23rd.
I noticed the label on some coins do not include the coin number as some of the other reverse proofs I have seen.
Looked again and saw many with and without the coin number. Mine from MCM had the coin number on it. Does any one know if there are both kinds of labels and why ?
Hope this does not create another variety for the label chasers.
I did the video mostly as a joke, for fun. It was like "dancing with the stars". Dances with wolves and ... Grease , all in 3 minutes.
it was my first video and upload to You Tube. It was a fun learning experience. Not to late to make the change and stay in the game if you want.
Hi Folks
I was also one of the few to get the generous offer from MCM RP 2013 Buff.
I took a video but had problems uploading it. Finally it did yesterday night and here it is.
This is my first attempt, so there will be glitches. My son also stars in this. He is an excited YN,
who hopefully will become a full-fledged coin-junkie soon
Well here is the link: UNBOX MCM BUFF RP
I liked the Reverse proof very much. I have the normal proof also and I think the shiny bison shows very well - almost high relief.
The vieo is my opinion and is not of anyone else (and of course with some commentary from my 6 year old).
<< <i>New to the forum as a poster, but have read just about all of it. I got three of the RP Buffs and still have 2 in the box. Happened to be going to Vegas in Oct and thought about leaving them in the box to take and get graded at the show. Does it really matter that I leave it unopened in the shipping box? If I do, anybody ever had TSA insist on opening a box in security? Thanks! >>
Glad to have you on the forum!
It is very important that you leave them in the sealed Mint shipping box if you wish for them to graded First Strike. PCGS will grade coins FS, opened or not, if they are received w/in the FS deadline which is posted on the site. Coins can be submitted for FS grading after that provided that they were shipped from the Mint w/in the deadline and are submitted in the sealed Mint shipping box. If you don't care about FS you can open the box and screen the coins.
As to airport security I would guess that it's likely that they would make you open the box. I would not chance it. I'd just ship them to PCGS. As long as you ship w/in the FS deadline you can open the box and screen the coins first as I mentioned.
I also agree with John Maben that the Enhanced Unc Silver Eagle is one impressive coin, and incidently it makes a great companion to the Reverse Proof in the West Point Set. I do give Kudos to the Mint for the very interesting contrast between the fields and the soft powdery frosted finish on these coins. In a word, WoW!
I can't wait to compare the 2006-W Gold Eagle Reverse Proof to the 2013-W Gold Buffalo Reverse Proof. I suspect that the Mint has found ways to make the new RP gold issues even more dramatic. Interesting times, indeed.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest. >>
It looks like MCM now has them on their site.
<< <i>Has anyone see any of the Buff First Strike Labels (not Black Diamond) hit the market yet? I did a quick look on ebay but didn't see any listed or sold. Out of all the Buff's I have sold (not a huge amount), those labels brought more money than the rest. >>
Here's one
Rampant currency debasement will be the most important investment trend of this decade, and it will devastate most people.
- Nick Giambruno Buy dollar insurance now, because the policy will cost more as the dollar becomes worth less.
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Here's one >>
That's the Flag FS. I was asking about the "Buffalo First Strike" label (which MCM now has on their website).
Linky
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I was also one of the few to get the generous offer from MCM RP 2013 Buff.
I took a video but had problems uploading it. Finally it did yesterday night and here it is.
This is my first attempt, so there will be glitches. My son also stars in this. He is an excited YN,
who hopefully will become a full-fledged coin-junkie soon
Well here is the link: UNBOX MCM BUFF RP
I liked the Reverse proof very much. I have the normal proof also and I think the shiny bison shows very well - almost high relief.
The vieo is my opinion and is not of anyone else (and of course with some commentary from my 6 year old). >>
Enjoyed the video. I liked the historical narrative and espcially enjoyed your enthusiastic YN assistant!! Thanks for posting.
<< <i>All PCGS70's are now OUT OF STOCK at MCM again. May be a price change comming ? >>
Not when I look. Click on my link above. then you can go to their RP link and see them all with prices. you can add a few to your cart while you are there!!
Time for that 1 hour drive home now.
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As far as the coin itself, I really don't care for it. I think the regular proof looks much better. If I didn't get in @$1640 I'd send back the one from the mint that arrived today.
Anyone else getting that?
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Hey nags, what day did you order?
I ordered on 8-14 before the price increase. Mine are still on bo expected to ship 9-8 (yesterday). Called PBGS and they now say orders are expected to ship 9-27.....