lostincoins...yes you can count on them being the "correct" pennies (lp2 formative cents) but as Papi said you can't be sure they contain any errors in the rolls. We've all purchased boxes
that came up blank and some that have been homeruns. I think we all look for bargains and this box you're looking at is not overpriced comparatively speaking. The unknown factor here is
whether these were cherry picked and the leftovers re-rolled and re-boxed for re-sale. Depending on the budget you could just buy solid 50 coin error rolls that come up for sale now and
again. Then you're assured of what you'll receive. I personally prefer the hunt. I've got something coming to me soon that I will be excited to search. If you do buy it good luck..
share the results. Keep the faith doubled die-hards!
<< <i>lostincoins...yes you can count on them being the "correct" pennies (lp2 formative cents) but as Papi said you can't be sure they contain any errors in the rolls. We've all purchased boxes
that came up blank and some that have been homeruns. I think we all look for bargains and this box you're looking at is not overpriced comparatively speaking. The unknown factor here is
whether these were cherry picked and the leftovers re-rolled and re-boxed for re-sale. Depending on the budget you could just buy solid 50 coin error rolls that come up for sale now and
again. Then you're assured of what you'll receive. I personally prefer the hunt. I've got something coming to me soon that I will be excited to search. If you do buy it good luck..
share the results. Keep the faith doubled die-hards!
PCGS offered to do the same thing for me about a year ago but I had to send them 1000 coins all the same variety. They did give me a good price but I did not want to grade 1000 of the same coin.
I don't get the distinction...c'mon PCGS, start printing out the labels! >>
<< <i>PCGS offered to do the same thing for me about a year ago but I had to send them 1000 coins all the same variety. They did give me a good price but I did not want to grade 1000 of the same coin. >>
Interesting. If they had been labeling them all of these years can you imagine the thousands of submissions (and dollars) they could have earned? Why bend the rule for one person at ANY
price or quantity? Such a shortsighted approach. They must realize by now (since the Pro Red Book and soon the CPG will legitimize them to the general collecting world ) that they have
lost an unbelievable amount of dollars in the course of the previous four years. Money they will never be able to recoup. Money they basically handed over to Anacs.
On another note....I see your listing on Ebay PB. It will be fun to watch. Good luck!
I did see Ironpup's listings. I was wondering who he was since I've never seen a listing by him before. To have so many different varieties graded and for sale was a surprise.
Your listing should be a big seller. The single box auction is already at $37 with a day and a half left for bidding and that one, as discussed, is borderline on the time stamp.
When I've purchased the later time boxes it was in hopes of finding the late stage die cracks. Didn't work out. Apparently they will only be found in bank boxes. Of course, none
PCGS offered to do the same thing for me about a year ago but I had to send them 1000 coins all the same variety. They did give me a good price but I did not want to grade 1000 of the same coin.
I don't get the distinction...c'mon PCGS, start printing out the labels! >>
>>
Notice they didn't not actually attribute the "massive" die crack (wddr-013b), they simply labeled it very generically. It could have been any one of several die cracks -- although this was one of the best. The seller must not know about the attributions or they would have mentioned in the listing, no? I would be surprised if if goes for $100 in that low of a grade, but who know, this variety is in demand.
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You are up against some pretty powerful competition. Remember that it is a borderline good or no good box like the 3 that I have up there but good luck as you have a chance at a box with key coins in it maybe. These boxes are a crap shoot but we all take a shot here and there.
$40 already with more than a half a day to go for that box....wow. The last minute will be exciting to watch! I will not be one of the bidders however..so you'll have one less competitor.
Good luck! Remember, lostincoins, if you do win it we want to have you post your findings with us.
<< <i> I think I have 10-20 4/23 boxes. Maybe I should let some go. >>
I was shocked at what someone (whoever u****e might be) would pay for this box. Looking at the bid history on the auction shows he was determined to get it (about 10 different bids).
Future listings and sales will tell us how much of a fluke the auction was. These doubled die errors, however, are not under the radar any longer.
<< <i>It really does not matter who the buyer is for that auction.
It just shows that there was more than one person that wanted that box and there is interest in these coins out there. >>
True...my only point was that u***e was driving the sale to where it ended up. Obviously there were other bidders. We'll see if it's an upward trend or an auction-gone-wild. You know
I think it's a case of a little bit of both as these coins have started to get a little bit of attention starting with the inclusion in the pro red book.
with the pro RB and CP guide both showing the viability of these coins I can see a resurgence of these coins. What does the pro book have high MS 006 at?
It does not list prices but shows pictures of the 002, 006, 025 and 043. It should have had the 001 in there bur with space limitations it could not add a 5th coin.
A book just dealing with the errors associated with the LFYs should be put together. With computers and the internet it trully should not be that hard and there are self publishing companies out there.
<< <i>A book just dealing with the errors associated with the LFYs should be put together. With computers and the internet it trully should not be that hard and there are self publishing companies out there. >>
Ultra Modern Doubled Dies: The Single Squeeze Era (1996-2012)
(Our Newest E-Book) Is Available for Immediate Delivery
I was more interested in a reference type guide that goes over each error obverse and reverse for the 09 that could be carried easily say to shows, no color needed as we know the color of a cent. I would want it to include pics from different angels to make sure the error is correct for what we are looking at.
<< <i>I was more interested in a reference type guide that goes over each error obverse and reverse for the 09 that could be carried easily say to shows, no color needed as we know the color of a cent. I would want it to include pics from different angels to make sure the error is correct for what we are looking at. >>
A pocket guide would be costly to print. You could ask Wexler if you could use his info and format it as such. There would be hefty royalties, I'm sure.
Yep I have been meaning to talk to John about it I was hoping a possible collaboration could be worked out with some of the more knowledgeable people interested in this series. Printing would not be that bad and there are programs out there that are donation based and print on demand.
<< <i>the book in the reference pic is at 24.7deg and the doubled cover is at 5.5deg giving us 19.2deg of rotation >>
Thank you! I've always wondered. I never liked geometry. >>
I understand geometry, but confounded by how you determined die rotation -- not sure what this means. I guess I don't really understand how these occurred.
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<< <i>confounded by how you determined die rotation -- not sure what this means. >>
Our minds don't always see shapes we normally don't. Look at this. Do you see rotation?
On the 002; if you follow the back of the knuckle on the index finger, where it meets the hand, you can see that it winds up under the thumb. Same angle as the edge of the book.
If you overlay a transparency and rotate it clockwise over the original image, I believe you'll see.
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<< <i>is there any way to tell if a bank box has the LP2s in it as advertised here?
link >>
First, NOT EVERY bank box has errors. You got lucky on your first try.
Second, the seller is generally very sure of what they're selling. They don't want returns.
that came up blank and some that have been homeruns. I think we all look for bargains and this box you're looking at is not overpriced comparatively speaking. The unknown factor here is
whether these were cherry picked and the leftovers re-rolled and re-boxed for re-sale. Depending on the budget you could just buy solid 50 coin error rolls that come up for sale now and
again. Then you're assured of what you'll receive. I personally prefer the hunt. I've got something coming to me soon that I will be excited to search. If you do buy it good luck..
share the results. Keep the faith doubled die-hards!
Why this and not the rest?
I don't get the distinction...c'mon PCGS, start printing out the labels!
<< <i>lostincoins...yes you can count on them being the "correct" pennies (lp2 formative cents) but as Papi said you can't be sure they contain any errors in the rolls. We've all purchased boxes
that came up blank and some that have been homeruns. I think we all look for bargains and this box you're looking at is not overpriced comparatively speaking. The unknown factor here is
whether these were cherry picked and the leftovers re-rolled and re-boxed for re-sale. Depending on the budget you could just buy solid 50 coin error rolls that come up for sale now and
again. Then you're assured of what you'll receive. I personally prefer the hunt. I've got something coming to me soon that I will be excited to search. If you do buy it good luck..
share the results. Keep the faith doubled die-hards!
Why this and not the rest?
PCGS offered to do the same thing for me about a year ago but I had to send them 1000 coins all the same variety. They did give me a good price but I did not want to grade 1000 of the same coin.
I don't get the distinction...c'mon PCGS, start printing out the labels! >>
<< <i>PCGS offered to do the same thing for me about a year ago but I had to send them 1000 coins all the same variety. They did give me a good price but I did not want to grade 1000 of the same coin. >>
Interesting. If they had been labeling them all of these years can you imagine the thousands of submissions (and dollars) they could have earned? Why bend the rule for one person at ANY
price or quantity? Such a shortsighted approach. They must realize by now (since the Pro Red Book and soon the CPG will legitimize them to the general collecting world ) that they have
lost an unbelievable amount of dollars in the course of the previous four years. Money they will never be able to recoup. Money they basically handed over to Anacs.
On another note....I see your listing on Ebay PB. It will be fun to watch. Good luck!
Have you noticed that there are more people that have ANACS graded coins on there.
Iron pup put a bunch of them on there yesterday. He is one of the old time Wisconsin quarter error guys.
You are right about PCGS losing business because the refuse to start grading these coins. I have 350 now graded by myself and wanted PCGS.
Oh well!
Your listing should be a big seller. The single box auction is already at $37 with a day and a half left for bidding and that one, as discussed, is borderline on the time stamp.
When I've purchased the later time boxes it was in hopes of finding the late stage die cracks. Didn't work out. Apparently they will only be found in bank boxes. Of course, none
of the bank boxes I've purchased has had any.
There were not many of those coins struck before the die broke.
<< <i>Those bank boxes were few and far between and they are long gone.
There were not many of those coins struck before the die broke. >>
Based on my findings, for the "Skeleton" with the final stage of the reverse crack, it was 0.01%
The coolest thing
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<< <i>Why this and not the rest?
PCGS offered to do the same thing for me about a year ago but I had to send them 1000 coins all the same variety. They did give me a good price but I did not want to grade 1000 of the same coin.
I don't get the distinction...c'mon PCGS, start printing out the labels! >>
>>
Notice they didn't not actually attribute the "massive" die crack (wddr-013b), they simply labeled it very generically. It could have been any one of several die cracks -- although this was one of the best. The seller must not know about the attributions or they would have mentioned in the listing, no? I would be surprised if if goes for $100 in that low of a grade, but who know, this variety is in demand.
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Good luck! Remember, lostincoins, if you do win it we want to have you post your findings with us.
<< <i>It's not even a DDR, we all have die cracks of one kind or another. They are dreaming if they think it will get that kind of money. >>
That is a DDR with the crack; WDDR-013
<< <i>That is a DDR with the crack; WDDR-013 >>
Papi....As Ed McMahon would say to Johnny...."You are correct sir!"
PB....did you cancel your listing for the three 4/23 boxes?
<< <i> I think I have 10-20 4/23 boxes. Maybe I should let some go. >>
I was shocked at what someone (whoever u****e might be) would pay for this box. Looking at the bid history on the auction shows he was determined to get it (about 10 different bids).
Future listings and sales will tell us how much of a fluke the auction was. These doubled die errors, however, are not under the radar any longer.
It just shows that there was more than one person that wanted that box and there is interest in these coins out there.
<< <i>It really does not matter who the buyer is for that auction.
It just shows that there was more than one person that wanted that box and there is interest in these coins out there. >>
True...my only point was that u***e was driving the sale to where it ended up. Obviously there were other bidders. We'll see if it's an upward trend or an auction-gone-wild. You know
I'm hoping for the upward trend scenario.
<< <i>A book just dealing with the errors associated with the LFYs should be put together. With computers and the internet it trully should not be that hard and there are self publishing companies out there. >>
Ultra Modern Doubled Dies: The Single Squeeze Era
(1996-2012)
(Our Newest E-Book)
Is Available for Immediate Delivery
E-Book
<< <i>Have you seen this book and are our 09's in there Papi? >>
No I did not buy it.
It says all 890 Doubled dies in the CONECA files, and the 2009s are included in the "Master Listing"
The assigned CPG numbers are on the site, but I don't know about pictures.
You'd have to ask Dr. Wiles, his email is at the bottom of the page.
CONECA
<< <i>I was more interested in a reference type guide that goes over each error obverse and reverse for the 09 that could be carried easily say to shows, no color needed as we know the color of a cent. I would want it to include pics from different angels to make sure the error is correct for what we are looking at. >>
A pocket guide would be costly to print. You could ask Wexler if you could use his info and format it as such. There would be hefty royalties, I'm sure.
2009 FY Doubled Dies
The book cover, on the WDDR-002, is rotated clockwise, leaving doubling on the pages.
What is the amount of rotation ? 40 degrees?
<< <i>the book in the reference pic is at 24.7deg and the doubled cover is at 5.5deg giving us 19.2deg of rotation >>
Thank you! I've always wondered. I never liked geometry.
<< <i>
<< <i>the book in the reference pic is at 24.7deg and the doubled cover is at 5.5deg giving us 19.2deg of rotation >>
Thank you! I've always wondered. I never liked geometry. >>
I understand geometry, but confounded by how you determined die rotation -- not sure what this means. I guess I don't really understand how these occurred.
<< <i>confounded by how you determined die rotation -- not sure what this means. >>
Our minds don't always see shapes we normally don't. Look at this. Do you see rotation?
On the 002; if you follow the back of the knuckle on the index finger, where it meets the hand, you can see that it winds up under the thumb. Same angle as the edge of the book.
If you overlay a transparency and rotate it clockwise over the original image, I believe you'll see.