Joe Paterno could soon be out as head coach at Penn State, The New York Times is reporting, perhaps within days or weeks.
Paterno is embroiled in a sex abuse scandal that has led to the 40 counts of charges against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, and perjury charges against athletic director Tim Curley and school vice president
The Times is citing sources who have been briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
Paterno’s weekly press conference today was canceled at the last minute by president Graham Spanier. According to Paterno’s son, Scott, the 84-year-old legendary coach was prepared to read a statement addressing the allegations and answer questions. Joe Paterno might have to say farewell from Penn State soon.
The Times is reporting that the board of trustees has not yet determined the timing of Paterno’s exit, but that one of college football’s all-time winningest coaches is nearing the end of his 46 seasons in Happy Valley.
Paterno, who has not been implicated in the case, has come under heavy fire for his role. When Paterno learned of the abuse in 2002, he did not call authorities. He told Curley, but did nothing further. In doing so, he met his legal obligations, but whether he should have or could have done, such as call police, is in question.
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Citing unnamed sources, The New York Times reported Tuesday that Joe Paterno's departure as Penn State's head football coach is imminent.
But Scott Paterno, a son of the coach, called that report "premature."
"No discussions about retirement with JVP," Scott Paterno wrote on Twitter at 12:50 p.m.
He also indicated that he's working on another press conference for his father.
Joe Paterno's regular weekly press conference, scheduled for 12:30 p.m. Tuesday, was abruptly canceled. ESPN reported that university President Graham Spanier made the decision to cancel the press conference.
StateCollege.com will continue to have ongoing coverage. Links to all earlier related reports are available via the page below.
Get out your vomit bag. In 2002, a grad student reported to the Joe Paterno that the alleged pederast, Jerry Sandusky, raped a 10-year-old boy in Penn State showers. Then Paterno kicked the matter along to the athletic director and to the VP in Spanier’s office in charge of campus police. They all spun it as “fooling around” in the shower, a contortion that provided everyone with deniability. Then Sandusky was banned from bringing any more children to campus for “fooling around” in the showers, which begs this question of course: If Sandusky was simply engaged in harmless horseplay, why the ban as if he’d committed a serious offense? And if he was banned from bringing more children to campus, why didn’t Penn State officials, including Spanier, report Sandusky to children’s protective services and the police? Well, appearently because Spanier, the university president and an alleged expert on families (including those we assume with children), wanted to know nothing. Let Sandusky get arrested off campus where his behavior would not be linked to Penn State.
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<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News.
<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News. >>
Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do.
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<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him.
<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him. >>
What the hell are you talking about? We all have heard what the actual criminal did- he sodomized a 10 year old boy in a shower stall at the football stadium. What, we should all quit asking questions about PSU's possible culpability and ask for more lurid sexual details from the Sandusky camp? You think more information on Sandusky's perversions would qualify as 'news', but investigating the role that PSU administrators have played in this cover up would not?
stevek, political/religious/racial discrimination is nothing new in this country. Nobody is immune to it, even Paterno. Certainly no one group is guilty of it. Everyone does it.
<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him. >>
I agree conceptually, but the NATIONAL story isn't the same as the local criminal story. Semantics, but it is what it is.
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<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him. >>
What the hell are you talking about? We all have heard what the actual criminal did- he sodomized a 10 year old boy in a shower stall at the football stadium. What, we should all quit asking questions about PSU's possible culpability and ask for more lurid sexual details from the Sandusky camp? You think more information on Sandusky's perversions would qualify as 'news', but investigating the role that PSU administrators have played in this cover up would not? >>
Steve...you're absolutely out of your mind with all this political cr@p you keep talking about.
Mike McQueary, Shultz, Curley, the janitor....what political leanings do they have? No one cares. Just like no one cares about Paterno's political leanings. It's laughable that you keep bringing up his politics and try to link it to why you feel he is being singled-out.
He is not being singled out. They should ALL be run out of town.
<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News. >>
Steve, don't misquote me. I was speaking to your reference to me and did not use the word "they." I spoke about myself and do not care about the media.
Get off it and leave politics out of this. It only dilutes the issue. An adult raped young boys. His coworkers and superiors probably knew about his proclivities but did not go far enough to stop it.
They could all be part of the newly resurrected Bull Moose Loony Party, it would not matter. Negligence is negligence.
<< <i>stevek, political/religious/racial discrimination is nothing new in this country. Nobody is immune to it, even Paterno. Certainly no one group is guilty of it. Everyone does it. >>
The important thing we all seem to agree on is that if Sandusky is found guilty, he should be locked up in prison for a very long time. To me that shows, that despite the political vitriol going on out there, that there is still hope for our country...and don't laugh...because history has shown that when civilzations begin to collapse, things such as child pornography and molestation are not even prosecuted and sometimes condoned as well as other heinous activity...thank goodness America isn't close to reaching that point and I hope we never do.
They really all must go. When you hear the mothers of the victims speak it carries a lot more weight. JoPa, Spainer, Curly, Shultz and McQueary all fumbled badly on this one. They each had a chance to step up and it looks like they each did the minimal amount required. Kicking the can down the road. MJ
1) But the mother of one of Sandusky's alleged victims is just as angry with Penn State president Graham Spainer and assistant coach Mike McQueary, voicing her complaints in an interview with The (Harrisburg, Pa.) Patriot-News.
When the news broke that Sandusky was indicted on 40 counts of sexual abuse and Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury and failure to report, Spainer released a statement saying Curley and Schultz "have my my unconditional support," adding "I have complete confidence in how they have handled the allegations about a former University employee."
The mother is upset that Spainer was so vocal in his support:
"I'm so upset," said the mom of the 24-year-old, who authorities are calling Victim Six. "My son is extremely distraught, and now to see how we were betrayed, words cannot tell you. To see that Graham Spanier is putting his unconditional support behind Curley and Shultz when he should be putting his support behind the victims, it just makes them victims all over again."
The same mother also unloaded on McQueary, who testified that as a 28-year-old graduate assistant in 2002 he witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a young boy but did not make an effort to stop him, instead calling his father for advice before reporting the incident to Joe Paterno:
"I don't even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel," said the mom of Victim Six. "[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?"
Former NFL linebacker LaVarr Arrington, who played with McQueary at Penn State, is equally confused. From his radio show on 106.7 FM in Washington D.C., as transcribed by The Patriot-News:
"I know Mike [McQueary]. Mike was my quarterback,'' Arrington said.
"I know him. So I'm trying to understand, how do you, and again, maybe he felt as though it would be better suited if it came from Coach Paterno. ... I'm going to tell you right now, I gotta stop that [assault].
"Even if it's, 'Coach [Sandusky], I gotta stop you. ... I gotta take this to Coach Paterno right now'. This is not good, oh my gosh, this is not good.''
McQueary has yet to publicly comment on the case, but the collective inaction of everyone involved may never be understood or explained.
Rewind to 1998
2) The mother called police. An investigation started. The mother confronted Sandusky in his home, with the police listening in another room.
According to grand jury evidence, Sandusky told the mother of Victim One: "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead."
But Sandusky was cleared.
"And you're going to tell me that Spanier and Paterno weren't informed of something that was that huge that [the district attorney] was in on it but Spanier was kept in the dark?" the mother told the Patriot-News. "I’m just not that stupid. I’m so upset I just can’t believe it."
Sandusky's attorney, contacted by the Patriot-News, denies all charges. Scott Paterno, Joe's son, said Penn State lawyers assured him his father was never told about the 1998 report.
According to the grand jury presentment, Sandusky had eight alleged victims. Six shared showers in Lasch Building at Penn State, which houses the football program.
Both mothers suffered for several years, only to learn over the weekend that Penn State officials did not report the incidents to police.
"I'm infuriated that people would not report something like that," the mother of Victim One told the Patriot-News. "I still can’t believe it. I'm appalled. I'm shocked. I'm stunned. There's so many words. I'm very mad. They could have prevented this from happening."
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<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News. >>
Steve, don't misquote me. I was speaking to your reference to me and did not use the word "they." I spoke about myself and do not care about the media.
Get off it and leave politics out of this. It only dilutes the issue. An adult raped young boys. His coworkers and superiors probably knew about his proclivities but did not go far enough to stop it.
They could all be part of the newly resurrected Bull Moose Loony Party, it would not matter. Negligence is negligence. >>
Geez Keith, I put the (they) in parenthesis meaning you didn't say "they", but that I wanted to impart that to my comment - What, I have to explain basic grammar communication to you? Sorry for the misinterpretation.
But now I think you're intentionally misconstruing my points. I didn't suggest or imply whatsoever that politics had anything to do with Sandusky, so stop being silly, you are smarter than that. However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable.
<< <i>However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable. >>
That's like saying that you hate Obama because he's black.
<< <i>However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable. >>
That's like saying that you hate Obama because he's black. >>
Wait.. wha?????
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Jerry Sandusky's Son Takes Leave Of Absence From Cleveland Browns In Wake Of Penn State Scandal
Nov 08 11:45a by Charlie Wilmoth
Jon Sandusky, the son of Jerry Sandusky and an assistant to Cleveland Browns GM Tom Heckert, is taking a leave of absence days after his father was accused of a number of acts of child sexual abuse.
Sandusky played safety for Penn State from 1996-99 during the time the alleged incidents involving his father occurred. After graduating with a degree in exercise science, Sandusky spent a year as a coaching intern for the Nittany Lions in 2000.
It must be awful for Jon Sandusky to suspect that his father was using Penn State facilities to do awful things to children while the younger Sandusky was still a player there. Jon Sandusky is apparently “just completely devastated” by the news.
Jon Sandusky was not available for comment and hopes his privacy will be respected, a Browns spokesman said. Jon Sandusky is in his second year with the Browns after spending nine seasons on the personnel staff of the Philadelphia Eagles.
When asked if he has had a chance to talk to Jon Sandusky, Shurmur declined to comment.
“That’s a totally personal deal,” Shurmur said. “I don’t know the details of any of that. I’m going to sit that one out.”
Have not kept up on the details of this story and frankly given the subject matter it is not something I want to learn all the details about. However, if there is truth to the allegations about this Sandusky person, then the fallout from his conduct and actions will be very broad. It will likely result in many people in high positions having criminal and/or civil charges filed against them; having adverse media coverage directed at them; and having the ax fall on their jobs. Given the high profile nature of the events [people, institution, subject matter] the governmental authorities will of course consider the political ramifications of the situation and take action in manner designed to not only punish those who are wrongdoers but to also make the authorities look good to their constituents. The University will also act in a manner that will help it come out of this mess in the best light possible.
I suspect that even if Paterno is blameless in this situation, the "guilt by association" aspect of things [particularly if he was aware of the allegations and continued to allow Sandusky to have a presence in or around the football program and athletic facilities] will cause the ax to fall on him. This may give the university the basis for making the decision to force Paterno out as coach and end coaching career.
The question is whether the university and Paterno will come to an agreement behind closed doors and allow Paterno to bow out gracefully [now or at the end of the season], or whether they will not agree forcing the university to act unilaterally.
<< <i>However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable. >>
That's like saying that you hate Obama because he's black. >>
I hope this is a joke, because if it isn't, it will win dumb post of the year award.
<< <i>Have not kept up on the details of this story and frankly given the subject matter it is not something I want to learn all the details about. However, if there is truth to the allegations about this Sandusky person, then the fallout from his conduct and actions will be very broad. It will likely result in many people in high positions having criminal and/or civil charges filed against them; having adverse media coverage directed at them; and having the ax fall on their jobs. . >>
And that is what is so darn confusing about this whole matter. If any of you are in the education field, you know that everyone gets lots of hours of training on sexual misconduct and abuse. Guys like Jopa and everyone who could lose their job knew that they could hang because of this, yet they didn't do anything. It just sounds very strange to me that these guys who are making millions of dollars would do something stupid like risking their careers and reputation over this.
<< <i>Have not kept up on the details of this story and frankly given the subject matter it is not something I want to learn all the details about. However, if there is truth to the allegations about this Sandusky person, then the fallout from his conduct and actions will be very broad. It will likely result in many people in high positions having criminal and/or civil charges filed against them; having adverse media coverage directed at them; and having the ax fall on their jobs. . >>
And that is what is so darn confusing about this whole matter. If any of you are in the education field, you know that everyone gets lots of hours of training on sexual misconduct and abuse. Guys like Jopa and everyone who could lose their job knew that they could hang because of this, yet they didn't do anything. It just sounds very strange to me that these guys who are making millions of dollars would do something stupid like risking their careers and reputation over this. >>
I mentioned this in another post...that one of the first things our pledge class was warned about when I joined a fraternity up at Penn State, was to be careful of underage high school girls coming to the parties and looking for love...and this was young guys in a fraternity who knew better about this subject.
What this alleged criminal punk did truly was stupid beyond belief. If little boys turned on this stinking alleged pervert, then he should have just done with himself, what we all normal heterosexuals do at some time with a Playboy magazine and employ Mrs. Palm and her five daughters to get the job done.
<< <i>things are getting pretty ugly outside his house as we speak... >>
If this was 1911, instead of 2011, I can only imagine that Sandusky wouldn't be feeling too good right now, and instead of the normal 206 bones in his body, he would now have around 250.
I am so sickened by this that I wish Nebraska did not have to travel to Penn State.
I used to hold a grudge for the fraud of a win Penn St. had over Nebraska in 1982, but I could care less now if Nebraska wins, loses, or even plays. A forfeit would suit me fine.
U.S. Rep. Patrick Meehan, R-Pa., sent a letter to Secretary of Education Arne Duncan calling for an investigation of the charges. Meehan, a former U.S. attorney and longtime advocate for safety on college campuses, asked Duncan to look into whether federal law was broken in the failure to properly report allegations of sexual abuse.
"These allegations of misconduct are incredibly upsetting and disturbing," Meehan said. "Aside from the charges against individuals, we need to look at whether a federal law that requires colleges and universities to report crimes on campus was broken."
He said the failure to report the incident in 2002 appears to violate federal law and breaks Penn State's own reporting methods for sexual abuse on campus.
Hey Steve! Looks like the evil Republicans are after Pedo State now!!
Nothing personal, but my family always tells me I spend too much time on the internet as it is, and I am trying to cut back...I'm not doing very well with that today - LOL
For years, I used to always have the PM on, but sometimes I was spending hours a day there, and I enjoyed the conversations, but it was becoming too much...so just post the message here if you want, and I or we can all respond, if that makes sense.
Ok now it's really getting weird, answering questions form the window of his house? Despite all I've read, after watching this clip I can't help but feel sorry for the old guy. Shame it has to end this way.
No tears here....yea, he's old and frail - visually, that is sort of sad, but no excuse for playing dumb , looking the other way, or covering for a child rapist.
<< <i>We both have the same political views. I would like to see you post more often on the political thread at CBT. >>
I like CBT and really enjoyed it a lot. Matt emailed me after I hadn't posted for awhile, and I explained to him why I stopped posting, and I know you're not asking, but I never discuss my private emails....suffice to say my leaving had nothing to do with the content of the forum or any of the posts from anyone. One day when i'm in the mood, I'll probably email Matt, bribe him for $100 ...and hopefully he'll get me back in because I forgot my password.
Nice to hear about your political views...I'm glad we're on the same side...but I strongly feel the greatness of America is the viewpoints of all sides. With some out there, especially far left wing liberal Democrats, I may not agree with a word they say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it.
I would think that as educators they would be mandated reporters of suspected child abuse. If the grad student told Joe Paterno, Paterno should have told his AD of the situation as he did. At that point, JoePa and the administrators should have assisted the grad student who witnessed this event with a report to child welfare services. I cannot see where JoePa could simply have done his only duty by just telling his superiors. He is a good man, great coach, who made a bad decision himself and it will cost him his job due to the horrific experiences that these young innocent boys deal with everyday of their lives. The consequences of the lack of action would cost anyone their job, and almost everyone is shocked this was done under Paterno's watch.
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<< <i>I would think that as educators they would be mandated reporters of suspected child abuse. If the grad student told Joe Paterno, Paterno should have told his AD of the situation as he did. At that point, JoePa and the administrators should have assisted the grad student who witnessed this event with a report to child welfare services. I cannot see where JoePa could simply have done his only duty by just telling his superiors. He is a good man, great coach, who made a bad decision himself and it will cost him his job due to the horrific experiences that these young innocent boys deal with everyday of their lives. The consequences of the lack of action would cost anyone their job, and almost everyone is shocked this was done under Paterno's watch. >>
The whole thing is ugly, and really, it's hard not to feel terrible for Paterno. My wife made a great point tonight when she mentioned that there's a generational difference in how we, as Americans, handle things like sexual abuse. For much (most) of Paterno's life grown men and women would simply sweep this kind of thing under the rug and try to forget about it. That's changed now, but for a guy this old I'm sure it's difficult to adjust to shifting social standards. I think my grandparents (who would be 10-12 years older than JoePa if there were still alive) would have likely handled this the same way Paterno did, and I'm sure I wouldn't have cut them out of my life for doing so. Given that, it's hard to hold him to a standard that I wouldn't expect my own family members to uphold.
Sixty years at one school, and it ends like this. It's amazing how quickly things can disintegrate.
Again...the focus seems to be mostly on Paterno...he is getting bashed and castigated for following procedure and properly reporting the incident to the university authorities.
Nobody is gonna convince me that some on this thread, despite being contrite, and many in the media, are deep down enjoying trying to take down a staunch conservative. The blame should be and legally is being placed on the alleged criminal punk and the derelict. stupid, non-caring university administrators who were clearly negligent in my opinion by not contacting the police. Paterno followed protocol, promptly reported the incident, and I guess that isn't good enough for some. The Monday morning quarterbacks sure are quick to be judge, jury and executioner...and I'm sure Paterno will probably say he should have called the police because he's old and may not want to fight this at this point in his life.
I'm sure those running those flight schools, who were training pilots who were only interested in learning how to take off and fly, and didn't even want to learn how to land the plane, I'm sure those instructors wished they had contacted the police. And I'm sure those who saw Japanese planes on their radar screen on the morning of December 7, 1941 and just figured they were American planes despite the planes coming in from the wrong direction, wished they would have contacted their generals. And I'm sure if Obamacare is not repealed, and some years from now it forces the US into bankruptcy or hyperinflation, then we would have wished it would have been repealed as millions of people will be harmed and destroyed from a soon to be less effective and even in some instances inferior health care system.
History is wrought with mistakes that perhaps should have been seen in advance but weren't. But Paterno didn't even make a mistake here...the administrators made the mistake, a criminal mistake, and those admonishing Joe Paterno, especially when he has yet had even ample opportunity to fully explain himself, frankly in my opinion is shameful. But anyone can tune in to Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews and plainly see that the far left wing liberal media has no shame...they are basically pathological liars for the most part, and they are ganging up together like piranhas to take down what they see as a conservative opponent in Joe Paterno...and the way that it's going they just might win...but I sure hope not.
I hope Paterno sticks his ground, but frankly, he didn't look all that well in the short video of him at the window, and I expect he will likely call it quits at the end of the season. Joe Paterno has not lost one ounce of admiration and respect from those who love him, including me. Those Penn State so-called fans who the liberal media found who speak badly of him, are likely left wing liberal OWS supporters who I'm sure never liked Paterno or Penn State football to begin with. I know, when I was up there you would find some like that and they are entitled to their viewpoint, but their viewpoint about the honorable Joe Paterno, a good conservative and patriotic American...their viewpoint is one that only a Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin could love.
<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
Hello! One guy was taken away in cuffs and the other is still walking the sidelines. Sandusky's name will be full headlines during his time in court.
Students rally for coach all over campus By Ed Mahon and Kevin Cirilli Centre Daily Times Posted: 12:01am on Nov 9, 2011; Modified: 2:00am on Nov 9, 2011
Ed Mahon and Kevin Cirilli Centre Daily Times
Penn State football coach Joe Paterno walks down his driveway through a crowd of students who gathered Tuesday in his support of the football coach. “It’s hard for me to say how much this means,” said Paterno. CDT PHOTO/ABBY DREY
STATE COLLEGE — Students, numbering 1,000 or more demonstrated in support of embattled Coach Joe Paterno late Tuesday night, moving back and forth between downtown and the University Park campus singing the alma mater and chanting “We Are Penn State.”
The demonstration appeared raucous but peaceful. Police from State College, Ferguson Township and Penn State were stationed at intersections downtown to monitor the situation.
The scene capped a day of pro- Paterno demonstrations by students that began with a rally by a few hundred students at Paterno’s home. At about 10 p.m., hundreds of students gathered downtown, holding signs that read “Remember Joe for 409” and “JoePa is not guilty.”
“I’m here to support Joe Paterno, and the media is blowing this (the sex abuse scandal) way out of proportion,” said sophomore Brandan Westfall.
The crowd then began running to Old Main, where its ranks continued to swell.
“I saw a stampede of people running down here, and I knew it was for a good cause,” said senior Bill Munro, who joined the rally at Old Main. “This is all about Joe.”
The crowd moved back and forth, between campus and downtown.
Student Corey Stubbs wasn’t quite sure what the rally was about.
“I know I was here earlier and there was a mix of some people Pro-Paterno and against Paterno. I think it’s more about coming together regardless of what you think.”
Lt. M.J. Argiro, of the State College police, was stationed at Beaver Avenue and Locust Lane.
“We’re just gathering here to make sure no property or people are damaged or hurt,” he said. “We don’t know what they’re celebrating. If they want to celebrate, go to the game on Saturday. But we’re just trying to make sure everyone’s safe, and we’re willing to wait here until they leave.”
Events leading up to the rally began when university officials announced to a horde of waiting media that Paterno’s weekly press
conference was canceled, and reports began to increase of calls for his resignation.
Between 200 and 300 students gathered outside Joe Paterno’s home about 6 p.m. Tuesday, chanting “We Love You” and “Beat Nebraska,” and forming a human wall to block reporters from the head football coach.
“Go home media,” several shouted during a rally that lasted an hour-and-a-half and was alternately tense, celebratory and emotional.
At one point, Paterno talked to the students through a window.
“We’re always going to be Penn State,” he told them. “I’m proud of you. I’ve always been proud of you. Beat Nebraska.”
“I think they should stop making him a scapegoat,” said 18-year-old Kimberly Neal. “He’s the face of our university, and I don’t think he’s done anything but make a good name for our university.”
With State College police working to keep order, the crowd grew, with students chanting the coach’s name and “We Are Penn State.” Sasha Mathews held a sign comparing JoePa to Jesus.
“I think everyone should back off,” Mathews said. “It’s not our place to judge.”
Added 18-year-old Sean McCrea: “We should wait ’til the investigation’s done before we jump to any conclusions.”
At about 6 p.m., Paterno’s son, Scott, greeted the students.
“Say a prayer,” he told them, “and then please, feel free to cheer, feel free to show your support, but let’s remember ... to show support for the victims first.”
When Paterno’s van arrived, journalists and students swarmed around it before it got into the driveway.
“Hold them back,” some students yelled, as others pushed camera-wielding journalists away from the coach.
Paterno made it inside, but talked to students through a window.
Then he came out and was surrounded by the crowd.
“I’ve lived for this place. I’ve lived for people like you guys and girls,” Paterno said. “It’s hard for me to say how much this means.”
“As you know, the kids that were the victims, I think we ought to say a prayer for them.”
Asked if he was still the coach, Paterno didn’t answer but a young woman who stood with her arm around him replied: “Now is not the time.”
Despite the chants and cheers, students in the crowd had mixed and sometimes conflicting views about how top administrators, including Paterno, handled both the initial child abuse allegations and the recent arrests.
“Obviously, JoePa should have done more,” said Eliza Crawford, 19. But she also said “that shouldn’t be a reason for him to be fired.”
Kathryn Keydash, 20, said she supported Paterno “100 percent” but was angered by Graham Spanier’s statement Saturday of “unconditional support” for Tim Curley and Gary Schultz.
“I did not respect him at all for that,” Keydash said.
The rallies continued, moving to Old Main where more than 100 students gathered, and taking place at the Paterno statue outside beaver Stadium, until the number of students, shouting their support for Paterno, began to build again downtown.
Paterno “is the heart of Penn State,” junior Kacie Latchford said. “He did everything he was supposed to do.”
Ed Mahon can be reached at 231-4619. CDT staffer Erin Shields and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Paterno is embroiled in a sex abuse scandal that has led to the 40 counts of charges against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, and perjury charges against athletic director Tim Curley and school vice president
The Times is citing sources who have been briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
Paterno’s weekly press conference today was canceled at the last minute by president Graham Spanier. According to Paterno’s son, Scott, the 84-year-old legendary coach was prepared to read a statement addressing the allegations and answer questions.
Joe Paterno might have to say farewell from Penn State soon.
The Times is reporting that the board of trustees has not yet determined the timing of Paterno’s exit, but that one of college football’s all-time winningest coaches is nearing the end of his 46 seasons in Happy Valley.
Paterno, who has not been implicated in the case, has come under heavy fire for his role. When Paterno learned of the abuse in 2002, he did not call authorities. He told Curley, but did nothing further. In doing so, he met his legal obligations, but whether he should have or could have done, such as call police, is in question.
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But Scott Paterno, a son of the coach, called that report "premature."
"No discussions about retirement with JVP," Scott Paterno wrote on Twitter at 12:50 p.m.
He also indicated that he's working on another press conference for his father.
Joe Paterno's regular weekly press conference, scheduled for 12:30 p.m. Tuesday, was abruptly canceled. ESPN reported that university President Graham Spanier made the decision to cancel the press conference.
StateCollege.com will continue to have ongoing coverage. Links to all earlier related reports are available via the page below.
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Get out your vomit bag. In 2002, a grad student reported to the Joe Paterno that the alleged pederast, Jerry Sandusky, raped a 10-year-old boy in Penn State showers. Then Paterno kicked the matter along to the athletic director and to the VP in Spanier’s office in charge of campus police. They all spun it as “fooling around” in the shower, a contortion that provided everyone with deniability. Then Sandusky was banned from bringing any more children to campus for “fooling around” in the showers, which begs this question of course: If Sandusky was simply engaged in harmless horseplay, why the ban as if he’d committed a serious offense? And if he was banned from bringing more children to campus, why didn’t Penn State officials, including Spanier, report Sandusky to children’s protective services and the police? Well, appearently because Spanier, the university president and an alleged expert on families (including those we assume with children), wanted to know nothing. Let Sandusky get arrested off campus where his behavior would not be linked to Penn State.
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<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News.
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<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News. >>
Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do.
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<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him.
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<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him. >>
What the hell are you talking about? We all have heard what the actual criminal did- he sodomized a 10 year old boy in a shower stall at the football stadium. What, we should all quit asking questions about PSU's possible culpability and ask for more lurid sexual details from the Sandusky camp? You think more information on Sandusky's perversions would qualify as 'news', but investigating the role that PSU administrators have played in this cover up would not?
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<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him. >>
I agree conceptually, but the NATIONAL story isn't the same as the local criminal story. Semantics, but it is what it is.
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<< <i>Nah, I think it's simply that LOTS of people know who JoePa is. The NATIONAL story isn't what Sandusky did; it's what PennState did(n't) do. >>
Which is what's wrong with the world. We don't want to hear about what the actual criminal did... let's here about who dropped the ball in telling on him. >>
What the hell are you talking about? We all have heard what the actual criminal did- he sodomized a 10 year old boy in a shower stall at the football stadium. What, we should all quit asking questions about PSU's possible culpability and ask for more lurid sexual details from the Sandusky camp? You think more information on Sandusky's perversions would qualify as 'news', but investigating the role that PSU administrators have played in this cover up would not? >>
Wow...
Mike McQueary, Shultz, Curley, the janitor....what political leanings do they have? No one cares. Just like no one cares about Paterno's political leanings. It's laughable that you keep bringing up his politics and try to link it to why you feel he is being singled-out.
He is not being singled out. They should ALL be run out of town.
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<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News. >>
Steve, don't misquote me. I was speaking to your reference to me and did not use the word "they." I spoke about myself and do not care about the media.
Get off it and leave politics out of this. It only dilutes the issue. An adult raped young boys. His coworkers and superiors probably knew about his proclivities but did not go far enough to stop it.
They could all be part of the newly resurrected Bull Moose Loony Party, it would not matter. Negligence is negligence.
<< <i>stevek, political/religious/racial discrimination is nothing new in this country. Nobody is immune to it, even Paterno. Certainly no one group is guilty of it. Everyone does it. >>
The important thing we all seem to agree on is that if Sandusky is found guilty, he should be locked up in prison for a very long time. To me that shows, that despite the political vitriol going on out there, that there is still hope for our country...and don't laugh...because history has shown that when civilzations begin to collapse, things such as child pornography and molestation are not even prosecuted and sometimes condoned as well as other heinous activity...thank goodness America isn't close to reaching that point and I hope we never do.
1) But the mother of one of Sandusky's alleged victims is just as angry with Penn State president Graham Spainer and assistant coach Mike McQueary, voicing her complaints in an interview with The (Harrisburg, Pa.) Patriot-News.
When the news broke that Sandusky was indicted on 40 counts of sexual abuse and Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury and failure to report, Spainer released a statement saying Curley and Schultz "have my my unconditional support," adding "I have complete confidence in how they have handled the allegations about a former University employee."
The mother is upset that Spainer was so vocal in his support:
"I'm so upset," said the mom of the 24-year-old, who authorities are calling Victim Six. "My son is extremely distraught, and now to see how we were betrayed, words cannot tell you. To see that Graham Spanier is putting his unconditional support behind Curley and Shultz when he should be putting his support behind the victims, it just makes them victims all over again."
The same mother also unloaded on McQueary, who testified that as a 28-year-old graduate assistant in 2002 he witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a young boy but did not make an effort to stop him, instead calling his father for advice before reporting the incident to Joe Paterno:
"I don't even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel," said the mom of Victim Six. "[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?"
Former NFL linebacker LaVarr Arrington, who played with McQueary at Penn State, is equally confused. From his radio show on 106.7 FM in Washington D.C., as transcribed by The Patriot-News:
"I know Mike [McQueary]. Mike was my quarterback,'' Arrington said.
"I know him. So I'm trying to understand, how do you, and again, maybe he felt as though it would be better suited if it came from Coach Paterno. ... I'm going to tell you right now, I gotta stop that [assault].
"Even if it's, 'Coach [Sandusky], I gotta stop you. ... I gotta take this to Coach Paterno right now'. This is not good, oh my gosh, this is not good.''
McQueary has yet to publicly comment on the case, but the collective inaction of everyone involved may never be understood or explained.
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2) The mother called police. An investigation started. The mother confronted Sandusky in his home, with the police listening in another room.
According to grand jury evidence, Sandusky told the mother of Victim One: "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead."
But Sandusky was cleared.
"And you're going to tell me that Spanier and Paterno weren't informed of something that was that huge that [the district attorney] was in on it but Spanier was kept in the dark?" the mother told the Patriot-News. "I’m just not that stupid. I’m so upset I just can’t believe it."
Sandusky's attorney, contacted by the Patriot-News, denies all charges. Scott Paterno, Joe's son, said Penn State lawyers assured him his father was never told about the 1998 report.
According to the grand jury presentment, Sandusky had eight alleged victims. Six shared showers in Lasch Building at Penn State, which houses the football program.
Both mothers suffered for several years, only to learn over the weekend that Penn State officials did not report the incidents to police.
"I'm infuriated that people would not report something like that," the mother of Victim One told the Patriot-News. "I still can’t believe it. I'm appalled. I'm shocked. I'm stunned. There's so many words. I'm very mad. They could have prevented this from happening."
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<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
You're right...that is an excellent point, and I think I explained the reason why in one of my previous posts, even though Keith disagreed with me and stated, "I find it amusing that someone would say I do not hold a football coach in good favor because I (they) may not agree with his politics." Perhaps Keith will now freely admit that I was absolutely right on this issue...but I know he won't admit it - LOL
The liberal media doesn't like Joe Paterno because he is a conservative and because of the coming 2012 election turmoil that is taking place in our country. The liberal media will have a feeding frenzy over this. If Barney Frank was the Penn State football coach, this incident would probably only get on Fox News. >>
Steve, don't misquote me. I was speaking to your reference to me and did not use the word "they." I spoke about myself and do not care about the media.
Get off it and leave politics out of this. It only dilutes the issue. An adult raped young boys. His coworkers and superiors probably knew about his proclivities but did not go far enough to stop it.
They could all be part of the newly resurrected Bull Moose Loony Party, it would not matter. Negligence is negligence. >>
Geez Keith, I put the (they) in parenthesis meaning you didn't say "they", but that I wanted to impart that to my comment - What, I have to explain basic grammar communication to you? Sorry for the misinterpretation.
But now I think you're intentionally misconstruing my points. I didn't suggest or imply whatsoever that politics had anything to do with Sandusky, so stop being silly, you are smarter than that. However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable.
So perhaps police corruption was involved here as well.
<< <i>However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable. >>
That's like saying that you hate Obama because he's black.
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<< <i>However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable. >>
That's like saying that you hate Obama because he's black. >>
Wait.. wha?????
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Never mind, maybe I should leave that for another thread. Carry on.
<< <i>It's easy, Steve is a conservative crying discrimination for Paterno, when the same person practices the same discrimination on a daily basis.
Never mind, maybe I should leave that for another thread. Carry on. >>
WTF?
Anyway, you guys be careful with the political talk as I'd hate to see this thread get "BAMMED" because of it.
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<< <i>It's easy, Steve is a conservative crying discrimination for Paterno, when the same person practices the same discrimination on a daily basis.
Never mind, maybe I should leave that for another thread. Carry on. >>
WTF?
Anyway, you guys be careful with the political talk as I'd hate to see this thread get "BAMMED" because of it. >>
I don't think there is any political entity that would welcome SteveK as one of their members....he is Mush.
Nov 08 11:45a by Charlie Wilmoth
Jon Sandusky, the son of Jerry Sandusky and an assistant to Cleveland Browns GM Tom Heckert, is taking a leave of absence days after his father was accused of a number of acts of child sexual abuse.
Sandusky played safety for Penn State from 1996-99 during the time the alleged incidents involving his father occurred. After graduating with a degree in exercise science, Sandusky spent a year as a coaching intern for the Nittany Lions in 2000.
It must be awful for Jon Sandusky to suspect that his father was using Penn State facilities to do awful things to children while the younger Sandusky was still a player there. Jon Sandusky is apparently “just completely devastated” by the news.
Jon Sandusky was not available for comment and hopes his privacy will be respected, a Browns spokesman said. Jon Sandusky is in his second year with the Browns after spending nine seasons on the personnel staff of the Philadelphia Eagles.
When asked if he has had a chance to talk to Jon Sandusky, Shurmur declined to comment.
“That’s a totally personal deal,” Shurmur said. “I don’t know the details of any of that. I’m going to sit that one out.”
I suspect that even if Paterno is blameless in this situation, the "guilt by association" aspect of things [particularly if he was aware of the allegations and continued to allow Sandusky to have a presence in or around the football program and athletic facilities] will cause the ax to fall on him. This may give the university the basis for making the decision to force Paterno out as coach and end coaching career.
The question is whether the university and Paterno will come to an agreement behind closed doors and allow Paterno to bow out gracefully [now or at the end of the season], or whether they will not agree forcing the university to act unilaterally.
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<< <i>However, I think it would be very naive, perhaps intentionally, to believe that politics isn't involved in the liberal media feeding frenzy regarding Paterno, and I will continue to comment on that if applicable. >>
That's like saying that you hate Obama because he's black. >>
I hope this is a joke, because if it isn't, it will win dumb post of the year award.
<< <i>Have not kept up on the details of this story and frankly given the subject matter it is not something I want to learn all the details about. However, if there is truth to the allegations about this Sandusky person, then the fallout from his conduct and actions will be very broad. It will likely result in many people in high positions having criminal and/or civil charges filed against them; having adverse media coverage directed at them; and having the ax fall on their jobs. . >>
And that is what is so darn confusing about this whole matter. If any of you are in the education field, you know that everyone
gets lots of hours of training on sexual misconduct and abuse. Guys like Jopa and everyone who could lose their job knew that they
could hang because of this, yet they didn't do anything. It just sounds very strange to me that these guys who are making millions
of dollars would do something stupid like risking their careers and reputation over this.
<< <i>It's easy, Steve is a conservative crying discrimination for Paterno, when the same person practices the same discrimination on a daily basis.
Never mind, maybe I should leave that for another thread. Carry on. >>
Jeff - you're so far off base here, you're on another planet with this analogy.
MantleMarisFordBerra has a valid point...but that's hard to do in this matter regarding Paterno, but I will try.
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<< <i>Have not kept up on the details of this story and frankly given the subject matter it is not something I want to learn all the details about. However, if there is truth to the allegations about this Sandusky person, then the fallout from his conduct and actions will be very broad. It will likely result in many people in high positions having criminal and/or civil charges filed against them; having adverse media coverage directed at them; and having the ax fall on their jobs. . >>
And that is what is so darn confusing about this whole matter. If any of you are in the education field, you know that everyone
gets lots of hours of training on sexual misconduct and abuse. Guys like Jopa and everyone who could lose their job knew that they
could hang because of this, yet they didn't do anything. It just sounds very strange to me that these guys who are making millions
of dollars would do something stupid like risking their careers and reputation over this. >>
I mentioned this in another post...that one of the first things our pledge class was warned about when I joined a fraternity up at Penn State, was to be careful of underage high school girls coming to the parties and looking for love...and this was young guys in a fraternity who knew better about this subject.
What this alleged criminal punk did truly was stupid beyond belief. If little boys turned on this stinking alleged pervert, then he should have just done with himself, what we all normal heterosexuals do at some time with a Playboy magazine and employ Mrs. Palm and her five daughters to get the job done.
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<< <i>things are getting pretty ugly outside his house as we speak... >>
If this was 1911, instead of 2011, I can only imagine that Sandusky wouldn't be feeling too good right now, and instead of the normal 206 bones in his body, he would now have around 250.
I used to hold a grudge for the fraud of a win Penn St. had over Nebraska in 1982, but I could care less now if Nebraska wins, loses, or even plays. A forfeit would suit me fine.
"These allegations of misconduct are incredibly upsetting and disturbing," Meehan said. "Aside from the charges against individuals, we need to look at whether a federal law that requires colleges and universities to report crimes on campus was broken."
He said the failure to report the incident in 2002 appears to violate federal law and breaks Penn State's own reporting methods for sexual abuse on campus.
Hey Steve! Looks like the evil Republicans are after Pedo State now!!
Who you gonna blame now? Jews? Mexicans? Aliens?
<< <i>Steve, can you turn your PM on? >>
Nothing personal, but my family always tells me I spend too much time on the internet as it is, and I am trying to cut back...I'm not doing very well with that today - LOL
For years, I used to always have the PM on, but sometimes I was spending hours a day there, and I enjoyed the conversations, but it was becoming too much...so just post the message here if you want, and I or we can all respond, if that makes sense.
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<< <i>We both have the same political views. I would like to see you post more often on the political thread at CBT. >>
I like CBT and really enjoyed it a lot. Matt emailed me after I hadn't posted for awhile, and I explained to him why I stopped posting, and I know you're not asking, but I never discuss my private emails....suffice to say my leaving had nothing to do with the content of the forum or any of the posts from anyone. One day when i'm in the mood, I'll probably email Matt, bribe him for $100
Nice to hear about your political views...I'm glad we're on the same side...but I strongly feel the greatness of America is the viewpoints of all sides. With some out there, especially far left wing liberal Democrats, I may not agree with a word they say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it.
Thanks!
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<< <i>I would think that as educators they would be mandated reporters of suspected child abuse. If the grad student told Joe Paterno, Paterno should have told his AD of the situation as he did. At that point, JoePa and the administrators should have assisted the grad student who witnessed this event with a report to child welfare services. I cannot see where JoePa could simply have done his only duty by just telling his superiors. He is a good man, great coach, who made a bad decision himself and it will cost him his job due to the horrific experiences that these young innocent boys deal with everyday of their lives. The consequences of the lack of action would cost anyone their job, and almost everyone is shocked this was done under Paterno's watch. >>
The whole thing is ugly, and really, it's hard not to feel terrible for Paterno. My wife made a great point tonight when she mentioned that there's a generational difference in how we, as Americans, handle things like sexual abuse. For much (most) of Paterno's life grown men and women would simply sweep this kind of thing under the rug and try to forget about it. That's changed now, but for a guy this old I'm sure it's difficult to adjust to shifting social standards. I think my grandparents (who would be 10-12 years older than JoePa if there were still alive) would have likely handled this the same way Paterno did, and I'm sure I wouldn't have cut them out of my life for doing so. Given that, it's hard to hold him to a standard that I wouldn't expect my own family members to uphold.
Sixty years at one school, and it ends like this. It's amazing how quickly things can disintegrate.
Nobody is gonna convince me that some on this thread, despite being contrite, and many in the media, are deep down enjoying trying to take down a staunch conservative. The blame should be and legally is being placed on the alleged criminal punk and the derelict. stupid, non-caring university administrators who were clearly negligent in my opinion by not contacting the police. Paterno followed protocol, promptly reported the incident, and I guess that isn't good enough for some. The Monday morning quarterbacks sure are quick to be judge, jury and executioner...and I'm sure Paterno will probably say he should have called the police because he's old and may not want to fight this at this point in his life.
I'm sure those running those flight schools, who were training pilots who were only interested in learning how to take off and fly, and didn't even want to learn how to land the plane, I'm sure those instructors wished they had contacted the police. And I'm sure those who saw Japanese planes on their radar screen on the morning of December 7, 1941 and just figured they were American planes despite the planes coming in from the wrong direction, wished they would have contacted their generals. And I'm sure if Obamacare is not repealed, and some years from now it forces the US into bankruptcy or hyperinflation, then we would have wished it would have been repealed as millions of people will be harmed and destroyed from a soon to be less effective and even in some instances inferior health care system.
History is wrought with mistakes that perhaps should have been seen in advance but weren't. But Paterno didn't even make a mistake here...the administrators made the mistake, a criminal mistake, and those admonishing Joe Paterno, especially when he has yet had even ample opportunity to fully explain himself, frankly in my opinion is shameful. But anyone can tune in to Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews and plainly see that the far left wing liberal media has no shame...they are basically pathological liars for the most part, and they are ganging up together like piranhas to take down what they see as a conservative opponent in Joe Paterno...and the way that it's going they just might win...but I sure hope not.
I hope Paterno sticks his ground, but frankly, he didn't look all that well in the short video of him at the window, and I expect he will likely call it quits at the end of the season. Joe Paterno has not lost one ounce of admiration and respect from those who love him, including me. Those Penn State so-called fans who the liberal media found who speak badly of him, are likely left wing liberal OWS supporters who I'm sure never liked Paterno or Penn State football to begin with. I know, when I was up there you would find some like that and they are entitled to their viewpoint, but their viewpoint about the honorable Joe Paterno, a good conservative and patriotic American...their viewpoint is one that only a Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin could love.
<< <i>I find it strange that Paterno's name is being mentioned as much as, if not more than, Sandusky's name in all of these news articles and TV spots. >>
Hello! One guy was taken away in cuffs and the other is still walking the sidelines. Sandusky's name will be full headlines during his time in court.
By Ed Mahon and Kevin Cirilli Centre Daily Times
Posted: 12:01am on Nov 9, 2011; Modified: 2:00am on Nov 9, 2011
Ed Mahon and Kevin Cirilli Centre Daily Times
Penn State football coach Joe Paterno walks down his driveway through a crowd of students who gathered Tuesday in his support of the football coach. “It’s hard for me to say how much this means,” said Paterno. CDT PHOTO/ABBY DREY
STATE COLLEGE — Students, numbering 1,000 or more demonstrated in support of embattled Coach Joe Paterno late Tuesday night, moving back and forth between downtown and the University Park campus singing the alma mater and chanting “We Are Penn State.”
The demonstration appeared raucous but peaceful. Police from State College, Ferguson Township and Penn State were stationed at intersections downtown to monitor the situation.
The scene capped a day of pro- Paterno demonstrations by students that began with a rally by a few hundred students at Paterno’s home. At about 10 p.m., hundreds of students gathered downtown, holding signs that read “Remember Joe for 409” and “JoePa is not guilty.”
“I’m here to support Joe Paterno, and the media is blowing this (the sex abuse scandal) way out of proportion,” said sophomore Brandan Westfall.
The crowd then began running to Old Main, where its ranks continued to swell.
“I saw a stampede of people running down here, and I knew it was for a good cause,” said senior Bill Munro, who joined the rally at Old Main. “This is all about Joe.”
The crowd moved back and forth, between campus and downtown.
Student Corey Stubbs wasn’t quite sure what the rally was about.
“I know I was here earlier and there was a mix of some people Pro-Paterno and against Paterno. I think it’s more about coming together regardless of what you think.”
Lt. M.J. Argiro, of the State College police, was stationed at Beaver Avenue and Locust Lane.
“We’re just gathering here to make sure no property or people are damaged or hurt,” he said. “We don’t know what they’re celebrating. If they want to celebrate, go to the game on Saturday. But we’re just trying to make sure everyone’s safe, and we’re willing to wait here until they leave.”
Events leading up to the rally began when university officials announced to a horde of waiting media that Paterno’s weekly press
conference was canceled, and reports began to increase of calls for his resignation.
Between 200 and 300 students gathered outside Joe Paterno’s home about 6 p.m. Tuesday, chanting “We Love You” and “Beat Nebraska,” and forming a human wall to block reporters from the head football coach.
“Go home media,” several shouted during a rally that lasted an hour-and-a-half and was alternately tense, celebratory and emotional.
At one point, Paterno talked to the students through a window.
“We’re always going to be Penn State,” he told them. “I’m proud of you. I’ve always been proud of you. Beat Nebraska.”
“I think they should stop making him a scapegoat,” said 18-year-old Kimberly Neal. “He’s the face of our university, and I don’t think he’s done anything but make a good name for our university.”
With State College police working to keep order, the crowd grew, with students chanting the coach’s name and “We Are Penn State.” Sasha Mathews held a sign comparing JoePa to Jesus.
“I think everyone should back off,” Mathews said. “It’s not our place to judge.”
Added 18-year-old Sean McCrea: “We should wait ’til the investigation’s done before we jump to any conclusions.”
At about 6 p.m., Paterno’s son, Scott, greeted the students.
“Say a prayer,” he told them, “and then please, feel free to cheer, feel free to show your support, but let’s remember ... to show support for the victims first.”
When Paterno’s van arrived, journalists and students swarmed around it before it got into the driveway.
“Hold them back,” some students yelled, as others pushed camera-wielding journalists away from the coach.
Paterno made it inside, but talked to students through a window.
Then he came out and was surrounded by the crowd.
“I’ve lived for this place. I’ve lived for people like you guys and girls,” Paterno said. “It’s hard for me to say how much this means.”
“As you know, the kids that were the victims, I think we ought to say a prayer for them.”
Asked if he was still the coach, Paterno didn’t answer but a young woman who stood with her arm around him replied: “Now is not the time.”
Despite the chants and cheers, students in the crowd had mixed and sometimes conflicting views about how top administrators, including Paterno, handled both the initial child abuse allegations and the recent arrests.
“Obviously, JoePa should have done more,” said Eliza Crawford, 19. But she also said “that shouldn’t be a reason for him to be fired.”
Kathryn Keydash, 20, said she supported Paterno “100 percent” but was angered by Graham Spanier’s statement Saturday of “unconditional support” for Tim Curley and Gary Schultz.
“I did not respect him at all for that,” Keydash said.
The rallies continued, moving to Old Main where more than 100 students gathered, and taking place at the Paterno statue outside beaver Stadium, until the number of students, shouting their support for Paterno, began to build again downtown.
Paterno “is the heart of Penn State,” junior Kacie Latchford said. “He did everything he was supposed to do.”
Ed Mahon can be reached at 231-4619. CDT staffer Erin Shields and The Associated Press contributed to this report.