I lived my life by the 'guy code' and protecting buddies and such, and if I did the same thing Paterno did, then I would have been wrong too. I don't think it is fair of you to assume that everyone else would have still lived by that guy code if put in the same situation. There are certain acts that 'cross the line', and would trump any 'code'...and that act by the assistant coach is certainly one.
Stevek,
I truly am glad you beat your gambling addiction. It seems you have applied that addictive behavior to an unwavering biased support for your sports team...and now onto politics.
At least those biased viewpoints are pretty harmless in those arenas(at least the sports one).
<<< Paterno botched the job-- just about every thoughtul, intellectually responsible person seems to agree on that. >>>
I "love" Boopotts clever backhanded snide remarks, I really do, it's great entertainment, sort of like listening to James Carville who I disagree with almost always, but he is highly entertaining , and does sometimes bring interesting ideas to the table.
If Boopotts ran for political office, I think I would vote for him....
I lived my life by the 'guy code' and protecting buddies and such, and if I did the same thing Paterno did, then I would have been wrong too. I don't think it is fair of you to assume that everyone else would have still lived by that guy code if put in the same situation. There are certain acts that 'cross the line', and would trump any 'code'...and that act by the assistant coach is certainly one.
Stevek,
I truly am glad you beat your gambling addiction. It seems you have applied that addictive behavior to an unwavering biased support for your sports team...and now onto politics.
At least those biased viewpoints are pretty harmless in those arenas(at least the sports one). >>
Hah...i think your right about that....and I'll take it.
saber - I'm not saying EVERYONE would have done what Paterno did, just a good percentage (and frankly any percentage greater than 25% shows the hypocritical society we live in). And it's less about "guy code" (although that is a small part of it), and more about the institutionalization that Boo speaks of.
Like I said, I've read a lot of writers, MB posters, etc. that are crucifying Paterno. If these people REALLY, REALLY sat back and thought about the situation and put themselves in Paterno's shoes, a lot would come to the conclusions I have. Problem is, most people are afraid of that kind of introspection. They want to percieve themselves as someone that would do the morally correct thing in EVERY situation. Fact is, 99% of people cannot possibly live up to that standard.
<< <i>He should have done more, glad he at least recognizes that. Sorry that his fans never will.
That was his house, and when somebody does something heinous in your house, and you are THE man...YOU make sure it is fixed! >>
I couldn't agree more, though as this thing unfolds the fact that Paterno made a huge mistake is quickly becoming one of the least interesting aspects of this scandal. Paterno botched the job-- just about every thoughtul, intellectually responsible person seems to agree on that. But what's interesting to me- or, at least, what's becoming interesting-- is how this scandal serves as a reminder to all of us of just how dehumanizing institutional life can become. If you stay in an institution long enough, and invest enough emotional and intellectual capital into it, it's well being can become far more important to you than the health and well-being of the innocent and defenseless.
Moreover, this process can happen to just about anybody. I refuse to believe that Paterno, or Curley, or McQueady (sp?), or even Spanier possessed personal moral codes that were substantially less developed than those possessed by the average American. History is rife with examples of men and women who, by almost any fair metric, were 'good people' succumbing to horrific lapses in good judgment, and the trait many of these people shared is that they happened to be integral cogs in an institutional machine. If we just point fingers at the PSU power brokers, bang our drums and bellow about how 'more should have been done' we don't end up learning anything from this mess- which means, in the long run, that the horrible price these children paid will be in vain. The thing to take from this scandal is a reminder of what large institutions can do to individual's ability to make good decisions- and to try to find ways, going forward, to mitigate the effect that an institutional life can and does have on humankind's ability to distinguish right from wrong.
Edit to add: An excellent example of this dynamic in action comes from Paterno's statement today. Once he's done coaching, what is he going to spend the rest of his life doing? Is he going to spend it on efforts to prevent the very kind of sexual abuse that occurred in his locker room? No- he's going to spend it trying to repair the damage DONE TO THE UNVERSITY. Even now, Paterno's primary goal is to repair damage done to the institution- not to repair the damage done to the kids that were abused by Sandusky. And this comes from the lips of Joseph Vincent Paterno, a man who (and I still believe this) is far more morally developed than the average American male. If institutional life can have this kind of effect on him, imagine the effect it can (and does) have on the rest of us. >>
I see your point but you can't get a tiger to change its stripes, and that has nothing to do with being in an "institution" as you call it. Memory serves me that you may have gotten this idea, perhaps subconciously from the movie "Shawshank Redemption" and maybe you'll say you never watched it...or perhaps you read similar books that Stephen King read to get the idea...but in any event what is Paterno supposed to do now...become a social worker? It wasn't him that did the crime. Geez - he's a football coach and a great football coach at that.
I knew some people who were cut from the team up at Penn State and like a lot of kids who get cut from any team, they don't like it. I worked with a guy who played WR in college, tried out for the Eagles and got cut on his first or second day of practice because Buddy Ryan told him he was too slow. He told me his 40 time and I remember thinking that this guy should have never wasted his time trying. What I'm trying to say is being a football coach on a high level is a dam tough job - having to always cut players, having to face brutal competition, and you're usually one season out from losing your job almost no matter what you did in the past...it's a lot of pressure.
All of what I just mentioned I believe had much more to do with the way Joe handled this matter than being institutionalized. He's a very busy guy, with a lot on his mind, and somebody comes up to him with an allegation and Joe probably felt, in my opinion, that the best course of action since he likely couldn't devote the proper time to it, was to give it to the university administrators whose job it was to take care of matters such as this and devote their time to addressing this.
But at this point, I guess most opinions about Paterno are basically solidified one way or the other....it is what it is about Paterno...but of course one important point you made, the most important point in all of this is "the horrible price these children paid" and we must never forget that, and take steps to ensure that the likes of this alleged criminal punk, can next time be stopped immediately or at least quicker, and also hand out tougher prison sentences. It is my belief that hard core criminals such as what he is accused of doing, and other types of criminal sociopaths can never be rehabilitated, except by very old age when they no longer have the energy or capacity to do much of anything.
Yes the kids suffered immensely, but there is little doubt, frankly no doubt, that they will get a very VERY nice big settlement from this, and while yes they are in emotional pain, the money they'll receive in which they'll possibly never have to work again for the rest of their lives, I would have to think may ease the pain at least somewhat - I certainly hope so.
<< <i> Yes the kids suffered immensely, but there is little doubt, frankly no doubt, that they will get a very VERY nice big settlement from this, and while yes they are in emotional pain, the money they'll receive in which they'll possibly never have to work again for the rest of their life, I would have to think may ease the pain at least somewhat - I certainly hope so. >>
I've read many times over the years how the most lasting impact of sexual abuse, especially for children, is knowing that the people they trusted have either betrayed them in such a horrible way or haven't protected/saved them from the abuse. Money doesn't begin to fix that - these kids were robbed of the innocence of childhood, of their sense of trust, and of their emotional well-being. THAT is where the system at PSU failed them - no one rescued them, as it just wasn't important enough to go the extra mile it seems.
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<< <i>I wonder if the Penn State players will discuss the possibility of not playing the game Saturday as a show of support for the victims?
And yes, I realize that the players can't "cancel" the game. But, they sure could refuse to play.
Robert >>
NO CHANCE, the college counts on the money from the game. I bet if they boycotted the game, they would loose their scholorships. >>
you are absolutely right - the chances of that are zero.
Speaking of chances, I wonder how many either on this thread or lurking on this thread are evaluating the situation for the Penn State - Nebraska game to see how it will affect the players so you can hopefully get an edge on the game? Come on now - you can admit it. LOL
So will the Penn State players have a letdown with less focus and preparation this week at practice and play poorly...or will the Penn State players rise up and actually play better in support of their coach? Of course after the game, half the sports bettors on the game will think they are "geniuses" predicting the game accurately, and the other half will think they are "unlucky" because of an ill timed fumble or interception...with the sports bookies grinding out all of them in the long run.
I mention this because except for cases of physical exploitation, some of the worst exploitation of children out there today is underage kids losing their money to online poker and sports gambling websites, and I think it would be remiss not to at least mention that fact in this thread. Exploitation of children in any way, shape or form has always ticked me off and always will. The adults can do whatever they legally want and I am not for a nanny state, but don't mess around with our kids. Capiche?
<< <i> THAT is where the system at PSU failed them - no one rescued them, as it just wasn't important enough to go the extra mile it seems. >>
Pun intended? >>
OH crap!! Didn't even think of that.....
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<< <i> Yes the kids suffered immensely, but there is little doubt, frankly no doubt, that they will get a very VERY nice big settlement from this, and while yes they are in emotional pain, the money they'll receive in which they'll possibly never have to work again for the rest of their life, I would have to think may ease the pain at least somewhat - I certainly hope so. >>
I've read many times over the years how the most lasting impact of sexual abuse, especially for children, is knowing that the people they trusted have either betrayed them in such a horrible way or haven't protected/saved them from the abuse. Money doesn't begin to fix that - these kids were robbed of the innocence of childhood, of their sense of trust, and of their emotional well-being. THAT is where the system at PSU failed them - no one rescued them, as it just wasn't important enough to go the extra mile it seems. >>
Point undestood and I'm gonna disagree with ya just very slightly in the aspect that the "money" can definitely help them to afford better counseling with the best possible counselors. See what I'm saying?
Also, we're not talking about an average settlement here, chances are they'll get nothing from Sandusky, his own lawyers will drain him dry. The plaintiffs may try and sue Paterno but I think a judge will throw that right out...and no way Penn State is gonna allow this to go to trial, not a chance...Penn State unless it's a totally ludicrous settlement offer, will likely take any reasonably high settlement the plaintiff's attorneys offer. That kind of money, big money, I think likely over a million dollars per child...and you may be absolutely right because I know nothing about it and it seems you have knowledge in this regard...however this kind of money, I would have to believe has got to help at least a little bit, or you could be right and it won't help at all...but again...we can only hope that it does.
In 1998 (or around then), perhaps THE best defensive coach in the nation at the time, the heir apparent to the nation's most legendary college coach (Nick Saban's personal opinion aside), just up and retired. What was the feeling among the current roster of players (who presumably were recruited with the promise of playing for Sandusky) and their parents, along with the fan-base at large? Did people "understand" that it was because of his shower incident (which he flat out admitted)?
Was this a non-story at the national level back then? Because I sure don't remember it. Is that a function of how far we have "progressed" at getting news with the internet, or did PSU do a stellar job of keeping the whole thing on the downlow?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we had a situation where a coach in his prime, and a good prime at that, was forced to retire. People had to know why. Yet this same guy remained a mainstay on campus and still ran his charity, and everyone just accepted it?
<< <i>Philly.com reports that as of today...Mike McQueary will be on the sidelines coaching Saturday. Incredible, if true. >>
And he's still head recruiting coordinator.........nice. MJ
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He's a very busy guy, with a lot on his mind, and somebody comes up to him with an allegation
You have made the argument that Paterno was a busy guy and "someone" came up to him with an accusation. The accuser was his ex-starting quarterback and current assistant on the team. That is just someone? To me the only argument you can make is that Paterno told the head of campus police and felt he had done his duty, yet even that rings hollow as a defense. I am sure everyone will be interested in knowing how much of the 1998 internal Penn State investigation and report Paterno knew (by all accounts he would have been fully aware of anything that could affect the Penn State football program). It certainly shines a different light onto Sandusky's abrupt retirement in June 1999.
In 2007 Sandusky attended a closed Penn State practice accompanied by a young boy. How could Paterno have allowed this to happen? How could McQueary not have done something or said something since he was an assistant coach at the time?
I am not convinced we will hear the true details of who knew what and what was said for a long time, probably in a book or 60 minutes interview in 5-10 years. I imagine when the details come out the apologists will attack the credibility of the source, the two administrators will probably be convicted felons and the grad assistant ran and called daddy after seeing a 10 year being raped, if anything would begin to further tarnish the reputation of Paterno. A lot of who knew what rests on the shoulders of McQueary. I hope someday he takes the time to explain how he went from witnessing a 10 year old being raped in 2002, to being told the only punishment was Sandusky being barred from the Penn State facilities, to becoming a full blown Penn State football staff member in 2003, to seeing that pedophile with another young boy on the Penn State practice field in 2007.
I do agree that everyone has pretty much made up their minds at this point.
He's chillin' out, relaxing at home...but who is there with him? Dottie, the wife? Is she there? Has she filed for divorce yet? Is he alone in the house? Is he under house arrest? What about Sandusky's six adopted kids? Have they had any input?
Choke this one down (passed along by our afternoon Sports talk station here in Detroit):
<< <i> there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer. >>
This article is not from this week....but from April 3rd, 2011
<< <i>Choke this one down (passed along by our afternoon Sports talk station here in Detroit):
<< <i> there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer. >>
This article is not from this week....but from April 3rd, 2011
<< <i>Choke this one down (passed along by our afternoon Sports talk station here in Detroit):
<< <i> there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer. >>
This article is not from this week....but from April 3rd, 2011
Wow, just wow. How did this not get noticed by the national media? >>
Exactly. I'm still not sure how the original events in 1998 didn't cause more of a stir.
The whole thing is odd. As recently as this past Sunday, the only mention of anything was a side heading on espn.com that read "PSU Athletic Director Charged with Perjury". It was almost as if the Sandusky part was secondary to anything else going on.
Ok so I have a degree in Criminal Justice. Im always looking into things and researching things. Try this on for size. The District Attorney investigating this back in the late 90's up and disappeared. Vainished. Car found on a dirt road, cell phone inside.
Now dont that get your mind racing after all this stuff is coming out. Got to make you wonder if he was going to "spill the beans" and someone took him out
<< <i>Ok so I have a degree in Criminal Justice. Im always looking into things and researching things. Try this on for size. The District Attorney investigating this back in the late 90's up and disappeared. Vainished. Car found on a dirt road, cell phone inside.
Now dont that get your mind racing after all this stuff is coming out. Got to make you wonder if he was going to "spill the beans" and someone took him out
Missing sice 2005 >>
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I wasn't going to respond here until after considerably more info came to light... but the whiny Joe P defenders (both here and elsewhere) irk me. You'd think this guy was God or something. He's a football coach, and a somewhat overrated one at that.
Yes, Paterno reported the alleged act, but he sure didn't bust his hump trying to get to the bottom of the situation either. He had to know that his reputation would get entangled in any scandal involving Sandusky.
Bottom Line in my opinion...this was a case of everyone doing the bare minimum and looking the other way because football is the school's biggest cash cow, and they wanted the $ to keep rolling in.
Frankly I hope heads roll all the way up to the school administration.
I feel sorry for the victims first and foremost, and I hope they sue the crap out of everyone involved. I also feel sorry for current Penn State players and students because the school will never be the same again. Don't be surprised if the transfer requests start rolling in.
This may end up destroying their football program and irreparably damaging the school itself...all because a few people didn't do what was right and at least try to get rid of this guy immediately after the first incident. And don't give me the "innocent until proven guilty" spiel... they should have SUSPENDED him immediately pending a THOROUGH investigation and not allowed him on campus pending the outcome. Not to mention putting staffers in his "charity" on notice that this incident happened and that he should not be allowed contact with children there pending their own thorough investigation.
There were several avenues to nail this guy and no one stepped up. Period. Including "Saint Joseph".
Also... what about Sandusky's 6 "adopted kids"...Has anyone thought to have counselors interview them yet? If he's doing things in the locker room, what's he doing at home?
He was molesting kids at his house too. The one kid testified he knew it was coming when he would hear him "crack his back" at the bottom of the stairs.
Conveniently, his wife was never home when he brought one of his young boys home.
<< <i>I got $50.00 that says this guy puts a gun to his head and pulls the trigger before its all over with. >>
I'll take that bet, but you need to pick a date at which we'll settle up. >>
Im still standing behind this statement, and if he has any kind of involement with the missing DA life is going to get vey bad for him. Now his adopted kids are coming forward. Man oh man is his time here is short lived.
Boopotts, with the way our legal system is if we did bet this it might take years before either of us got paid.
<< <i>I wasn't going to respond here until after considerably more info came to light... but the whiny Joe P defenders (both here and elsewhere) irk me. You'd think this guy was God or something. He's a football coach, and a somewhat overrated one at that.
Yes, Paterno reported the alleged act, but he sure didn't bust his hump trying to get to the bottom of the situation either. He had to know that his reputation would get entangled in any scandal involving Sandusky.
Bottom Line in my opinion...this was a case of everyone doing the bare minimum and looking the other way because football is the school's biggest cash cow, and they wanted the $ to keep rolling in.
Frankly I hope heads roll all the way up to the school administration.
I feel sorry for the victims first and foremost, and I hope they sue the crap out of everyone involved. I also feel sorry for current Penn State players and students because the school will never be the same again. Don't be surprised if the transfer requests start rolling in.
This may end up destroying their football program and irreparably damaging the school itself...all because a few people didn't do what was right and at least try to get rid of this guy immediately after the first incident. And don't give me the "innocent until proven guilty" spiel... they should have SUSPENDED him immediately pending a THOROUGH investigation and not allowed him on campus pending the outcome. Not to mention putting staffers in his "charity" on notice that this incident happened and that he should not be allowed contact with children there pending their own thorough investigation.
There were several avenues to nail this guy and no one stepped up. Period. Including "Saint Joseph".
Also... what about Sandusky's 6 "adopted kids"...Has anyone thought to have counselors interview them yet? If he's doing things in the locker room, what's he doing at home? >>
<< <i> Edit to add: An excellent example of this dynamic in action comes from Paterno's statement today. Once he's done coaching, what is he going to spend the rest of his life doing? Is he going to spend it on efforts to prevent the very kind of sexual abuse that occurred in his locker room? No- he's going to spend it trying to repair the damage DONE TO THE UNVERSITY. Even now, Paterno's primary goal is to repair damage done to the institution- not to repair the damage done to the kids that were abused by Sandusky. And this comes from the lips of Joseph Vincent Paterno, a man who (and I still believe this) is far more morally developed than the average American male. If institutional life can have this kind of effect on him, imagine the effect it can (and does) have on the rest of us. >>
Because Jopa's whole life has been to help PSU. The institution is known for excellence. Why would he stop trying to help an institution that has brought about so many positive things in people's lives ? Why would one huge mistake cause him to stop doing good ? Has one mistake in your life caused you to stop doing good? I hope not. Do you spend the rest of your life dedicated to the ones you've hurt ? Look in the mirror and ask yourself if you spend every waking moment thinking about and helping those who suffered at your own hand. And don't spout off that you've never hurt anyone, because everyone has.
I don't believe institutional life had this effect on him. I believe generational ignorance and "keep your mouth shut" had an effect on him. My parents who were born in the 30's never spoke anything about the ills of society. If it happened, you kept your mouth shut, to your grave.
<< <i>Yea, but that's a piss-poor excuse coming too late if that's what he tries to say.
No pity...no mercy. Run his old ass out of town.
He should devote the brief remainder of his life to helping molested children, not Penn State.
That's what a real man would do. >>
Then please explain to us how you've spent the rest of your life helping those you've hurt. Because if you're advocating that for someone else, then I'm sure you practice what you preach.
Please go into detail all the things you've done for those you've inflicted pain on in your life.
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<< <i>Ok so I have a degree in Criminal Justice. Im always looking into things and researching things. Try this on for size. The District Attorney investigating this back in the late 90's up and disappeared. Vainished. Car found on a dirt road, cell phone inside.
Now dont that get your mind racing after all this stuff is coming out. Got to make you wonder if he was going to "spill the beans" and someone took him out
Missing sice 2005 >>
If true, then I'm sure everyone else involved in this matter got the same message. Which is, either keep your mouth shut, or pay with your life.
In 1998 (or around then), perhaps THE best defensive coach in the nation at the time, the heir apparent to the nation's most legendary college coach (Nick Saban's personal opinion aside), just up and retired. What was the feeling among the current roster of players (who presumably were recruited with the promise of playing for Sandusky) and their parents, along with the fan-base at large? Did people "understand" that it was because of his shower incident (which he flat out admitted)?
Was this a non-story at the national level back then? Because I sure don't remember it. Is that a function of how far we have "progressed" at getting news with the internet, or did PSU do a stellar job of keeping the whole thing on the downlow?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we had a situation where a coach in his prime, and a good prime at that, was forced to retire. People had to know why. Yet this same guy remained a mainstay on campus and still ran his charity, and everyone just accepted it? >>
The rumors and questions have been asked forever about when Joe would retire. I recall when Sandusky retired and rumor was he wanted to be head coach and Joe said so Sandusky retired. That’s all I recall. If a sex scandal was about I don’t remember hearing about it. The saddest part of all this are the number of victims. In 1998, the DA had Sandusky and could have locked him away at that time. They had two police detectives that were witnesses to Sandusky’s admission to guilt to a parent and the legal system didn’t charge him and he was free to go. If that were my child, as a parent, I would have spent every minute of my life getting this out to everyone and anyone that would listen until this monster was behind bars....period. Why wasn’t that done? The DA at the time (no missing) along with future DA’s had this information along with police and nothing was ever done through the years. Until all the facts come out and others start calling each other out we may see that the police and DA’s knew more than they are saying. Joe’s out so he may chirp, we’ll see. I had hoped he did more than tell his boss, but it’s not looking that way. MM and his dad should have a lot more, too. I’ve witnessed an assault and did something, but it’s a shock and you wonder what do at first. Once you get your senses back you get help and police a.s.a.p.
<< <i>Then please explain to us how you've spent the rest of your life helping those you've hurt. Because if you're advocating that for someone else, then I'm sure you practice what you preach.
Please go into detail all the things you've done for those you've inflicted pain on in your life. >>
<< <i>anyone else wondering what other skeletons are in that closet? >>
What is more plausible?
a) What Paterno and PSU is currently spinning
or
b)
1998-
Sandusky admits he had a "shower" with a child and tell the mother I wish I was dead followed by perhaps this hypothetical conversation after the incident
Hypothetical PSU Brass conversation to Sandusky----------Hey Jerry. You are going to resign and not coach anywhere else. You are going to keep your mouth shut. We are shutting this down. You will remain loyal and mum's the word. Oh and here's some honor emeritus status and free reign of the campus. We take care of our own.
Remember Sandusky is a hot coaching commodity at the time. He suddenly quits football the following year in 1999.
2002
McQuery catches Sandusky raping a little boy and does nothing to stop him. He then reports to Joe Paterno that he saw something wrong between coach Sandusky and a little boy. At the time McQuery is making $5000 a year as a grad student assistant coach. Hypothetical conversation the following day:
Hypothetical PSU Brass conversation to McQuery- Hey Mike. You are going to keep your mouth shut and tell no one about what you saw. You will remain loyal and mum's the word. We take care of our own.
The very next season McQuery is made wide receivers coach and getting paid. He is eventually made the head of recruiting. All is good until the pesky grand jury investigation.
I'm not buying what PSU is selling. What they are selling stinks and makes little sense. If Paterno and McQuery are allowed to coach on Saturday it will be a travesty in my opinion and I wish a pox on the Penn State house.
We Are..........Penn State.................higher standards my arse.
How hard is it to pick up the phone and call the police, Mike McQuery? How hard is it to pick up the phone and call the police, Joe Paterno? Unless of course there was never any intent to really get the police involved by PSU.
Just sayin. MJ
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I usually avoid "chiming in" on topics that don't relate to sportscards, but having raised three now grown children, the last two pretty much by myself, I cannot remain silent.
When you witness a child being raped, you stop it, then report it to the police (not the campus police). If in fact Mcquery was there and did nothing he's a coward and in my opinion a criminal as well.
When Paterno was told, he should have immediately called police and child protection. There is no "chain of command" here, ANYONE knowing of this that did the minimum is almost as guilty as the perpetrator.
Haven't we decided that we aren't going to allow adults to rape our children? They never stop!
My ex-neighbor molested his daughter who was about the same age as my daughter. I told him if he ever touched my girl I would blow him away with my shotgun. THAT'S what we should do with child molesters. Protecting them only ensures that more children will be harmed. Money from a lawsuit will never give a child back his/her innocence and to even insinuate that is pathetic.
If Sandusky is guilty, he should be put to death. If ever released from prison he WILL re-offend.
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<< <i>This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more. >>
~Paterno from his retirement statement
So...he admits he should have done more....thereby admitting that he was aware of Sandusky and his actions.
And this dope thinks he gets to call his own shot about when he's leaving? Ha ha He'll be gone before Nebraska if the Trustees have and respect for the children.
I predicted he would say that and it was an easy call. It's just plain silly and pathetic to bash Joe for saying that...likely each one of us almost every day, could look back at the previous day and admit we could have "done more" in some aspect.
Now the left wing liberals can pat themselves on the back with a perceived victory, and of course they will continue to try to destroy the life of this great conservative human being who did so much and helped so many at the greatest college in the world, to me. But don't worry about it...November 2012 is coming and then our side will be celebrating. >>
no, what's laughably pathetic is for you to inject politics into this. You are delusional. Paterno is an effin disgrace for not reporting this to authorities as required by federal law. As far as I'm concerned there is criminal negligence on his part. At least his image and legacy is in the toilet where it belongs.
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I lived my life by the 'guy code' and protecting buddies and such, and if I did the same thing Paterno did, then I would have been wrong too. I don't think it is fair of you to assume that everyone else would have still lived by that guy code if put in the same situation. There are certain acts that 'cross the line', and would trump any 'code'...and that act by the assistant coach is certainly one.
Stevek,
I truly am glad you beat your gambling addiction. It seems you have applied that addictive behavior to an unwavering biased support for your sports team...and now onto politics.
At least those biased viewpoints are pretty harmless in those arenas(at least the sports one).
I "love" Boopotts clever backhanded snide remarks, I really do, it's great entertainment, sort of like listening to James Carville who I disagree with almost always, but he is highly entertaining , and does sometimes bring interesting ideas to the table.
If Boopotts ran for political office, I think I would vote for him....
....actually, "No"
<< <i>jdip9,
I lived my life by the 'guy code' and protecting buddies and such, and if I did the same thing Paterno did, then I would have been wrong too. I don't think it is fair of you to assume that everyone else would have still lived by that guy code if put in the same situation. There are certain acts that 'cross the line', and would trump any 'code'...and that act by the assistant coach is certainly one.
Stevek,
I truly am glad you beat your gambling addiction. It seems you have applied that addictive behavior to an unwavering biased support for your sports team...and now onto politics.
At least those biased viewpoints are pretty harmless in those arenas(at least the sports one). >>
Hah...i think your right about that....and I'll take it.
And where is McQueary's resignation letter? Spanier? You too...
<< <i>So who's hotter? Palin or Bachmann?
And where is McQueary's resignation letter? Spanier? You too... >>
By far, Palin is hotter. Bachmann looks like a fembot. I don't think she has a pulse.
Like I said, I've read a lot of writers, MB posters, etc. that are crucifying Paterno. If these people REALLY, REALLY sat back and thought about the situation and put themselves in Paterno's shoes, a lot would come to the conclusions I have. Problem is, most people are afraid of that kind of introspection. They want to percieve themselves as someone that would do the morally correct thing in EVERY situation. Fact is, 99% of people cannot possibly live up to that standard.
And yes, I realize that the players can't "cancel" the game. But, they sure could refuse to play.
Robert
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<< <i>He should have done more, glad he at least recognizes that. Sorry that his fans never will.
That was his house, and when somebody does something heinous in your house, and you are THE man...YOU make sure it is fixed! >>
I couldn't agree more, though as this thing unfolds the fact that Paterno made a huge mistake is quickly becoming one of the least interesting aspects of this scandal. Paterno botched the job-- just about every thoughtul, intellectually responsible person seems to agree on that. But what's interesting to me- or, at least, what's becoming interesting-- is how this scandal serves as a reminder to all of us of just how dehumanizing institutional life can become. If you stay in an institution long enough, and invest enough emotional and intellectual capital into it, it's well being can become far more important to you than the health and well-being of the innocent and defenseless.
Moreover, this process can happen to just about anybody. I refuse to believe that Paterno, or Curley, or McQueady (sp?), or even Spanier possessed personal moral codes that were substantially less developed than those possessed by the average American. History is rife with examples of men and women who, by almost any fair metric, were 'good people' succumbing to horrific lapses in good judgment, and the trait many of these people shared is that they happened to be integral cogs in an institutional machine. If we just point fingers at the PSU power brokers, bang our drums and bellow about how 'more should have been done' we don't end up learning anything from this mess- which means, in the long run, that the horrible price these children paid will be in vain. The thing to take from this scandal is a reminder of what large institutions can do to individual's ability to make good decisions- and to try to find ways, going forward, to mitigate the effect that an institutional life can and does have on humankind's ability to distinguish right from wrong.
Edit to add: An excellent example of this dynamic in action comes from Paterno's statement today. Once he's done coaching, what is he going to spend the rest of his life doing? Is he going to spend it on efforts to prevent the very kind of sexual abuse that occurred in his locker room? No- he's going to spend it trying to repair the damage DONE TO THE UNVERSITY. Even now, Paterno's primary goal is to repair damage done to the institution- not to repair the damage done to the kids that were abused by Sandusky. And this comes from the lips of Joseph Vincent Paterno, a man who (and I still believe this) is far more morally developed than the average American male. If institutional life can have this kind of effect on him, imagine the effect it can (and does) have on the rest of us. >>
I see your point but you can't get a tiger to change its stripes, and that has nothing to do with being in an "institution" as you call it. Memory serves me that you may have gotten this idea, perhaps subconciously from the movie "Shawshank Redemption" and maybe you'll say you never watched it...or perhaps you read similar books that Stephen King read to get the idea...but in any event what is Paterno supposed to do now...become a social worker? It wasn't him that did the crime. Geez - he's a football coach and a great football coach at that.
I knew some people who were cut from the team up at Penn State and like a lot of kids who get cut from any team, they don't like it. I worked with a guy who played WR in college, tried out for the Eagles and got cut on his first or second day of practice because Buddy Ryan told him he was too slow. He told me his 40 time and I remember thinking that this guy should have never wasted his time trying. What I'm trying to say is being a football coach on a high level is a dam tough job - having to always cut players, having to face brutal competition, and you're usually one season out from losing your job almost no matter what you did in the past...it's a lot of pressure.
All of what I just mentioned I believe had much more to do with the way Joe handled this matter than being institutionalized. He's a very busy guy, with a lot on his mind, and somebody comes up to him with an allegation and Joe probably felt, in my opinion, that the best course of action since he likely couldn't devote the proper time to it, was to give it to the university administrators whose job it was to take care of matters such as this and devote their time to addressing this.
But at this point, I guess most opinions about Paterno are basically solidified one way or the other....it is what it is about Paterno...but of course one important point you made, the most important point in all of this is "the horrible price these children paid" and we must never forget that, and take steps to ensure that the likes of this alleged criminal punk, can next time be stopped immediately or at least quicker, and also hand out tougher prison sentences. It is my belief that hard core criminals such as what he is accused of doing, and other types of criminal sociopaths can never be rehabilitated, except by very old age when they no longer have the energy or capacity to do much of anything.
Yes the kids suffered immensely, but there is little doubt, frankly no doubt, that they will get a very VERY nice big settlement from this, and while yes they are in emotional pain, the money they'll receive in which they'll possibly never have to work again for the rest of their lives, I would have to think may ease the pain at least somewhat - I certainly hope so.
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<< <i>So who's hotter? Palin or Bachmann?
And where is McQueary's resignation letter? Spanier? You too... >>
By far, Palin is hotter. Bachmann looks like a fembot. I don't think she has a pulse. >>
I'm just glad nobody mentioned Hillary.
<< <i>I wonder if the Penn State players will discuss the possibility of not playing the game Saturday as a show of support for the victims?
And yes, I realize that the players can't "cancel" the game. But, they sure could refuse to play.
Robert >>
NO CHANCE, the college counts on the money from the game. I bet if they boycotted the game, they would loose their scholorships.
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<< <i>So who's hotter? Palin or Bachmann?
And where is McQueary's resignation letter? Spanier? You too... >>
By far, Palin is hotter. Bachmann looks like a fembot. I don't think she has a pulse. >>
I'm just glad nobody mentioned Hillary.
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Yes the kids suffered immensely, but there is little doubt, frankly no doubt, that they will get a very VERY nice big settlement from this, and while yes they are in emotional pain, the money they'll receive in which they'll possibly never have to work again for the rest of their life, I would have to think may ease the pain at least somewhat - I certainly hope so. >>
I've read many times over the years how the most lasting impact of sexual abuse, especially for children, is knowing that the people they trusted have either betrayed them in such a horrible way or haven't protected/saved them from the abuse. Money doesn't begin to fix that - these kids were robbed of the innocence of childhood, of their sense of trust, and of their emotional well-being. THAT is where the system at PSU failed them - no one rescued them, as it just wasn't important enough to go the extra mile it seems.
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<< <i> THAT is where the system at PSU failed them - no one rescued them, as it just wasn't important enough to go the extra mile it seems. >>
Pun intended?
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<< <i>I wonder if the Penn State players will discuss the possibility of not playing the game Saturday as a show of support for the victims?
And yes, I realize that the players can't "cancel" the game. But, they sure could refuse to play.
Robert >>
NO CHANCE, the college counts on the money from the game. I bet if they boycotted the game, they would loose their scholorships. >>
you are absolutely right - the chances of that are zero.
Speaking of chances, I wonder how many either on this thread or lurking on this thread are evaluating the situation for the Penn State - Nebraska game to see how it will affect the players so you can hopefully get an edge on the game? Come on now - you can admit it. LOL
So will the Penn State players have a letdown with less focus and preparation this week at practice and play poorly...or will the Penn State players rise up and actually play better in support of their coach? Of course after the game, half the sports bettors on the game will think they are "geniuses" predicting the game accurately, and the other half will think they are "unlucky" because of an ill timed fumble or interception...with the sports bookies grinding out all of them in the long run.
I mention this because except for cases of physical exploitation, some of the worst exploitation of children out there today is underage kids losing their money to online poker and sports gambling websites, and I think it would be remiss not to at least mention that fact in this thread. Exploitation of children in any way, shape or form has always ticked me off and always will. The adults can do whatever they legally want and I am not for a nanny state, but don't mess around with our kids. Capiche?
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<< <i> THAT is where the system at PSU failed them - no one rescued them, as it just wasn't important enough to go the extra mile it seems. >>
Pun intended? >>
OH crap!! Didn't even think of that.....
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Yes the kids suffered immensely, but there is little doubt, frankly no doubt, that they will get a very VERY nice big settlement from this, and while yes they are in emotional pain, the money they'll receive in which they'll possibly never have to work again for the rest of their life, I would have to think may ease the pain at least somewhat - I certainly hope so. >>
I've read many times over the years how the most lasting impact of sexual abuse, especially for children, is knowing that the people they trusted have either betrayed them in such a horrible way or haven't protected/saved them from the abuse. Money doesn't begin to fix that - these kids were robbed of the innocence of childhood, of their sense of trust, and of their emotional well-being. THAT is where the system at PSU failed them - no one rescued them, as it just wasn't important enough to go the extra mile it seems. >>
Point undestood and I'm gonna disagree with ya just very slightly in the aspect that the "money" can definitely help them to afford better counseling with the best possible counselors. See what I'm saying?
Also, we're not talking about an average settlement here, chances are they'll get nothing from Sandusky, his own lawyers will drain him dry. The plaintiffs may try and sue Paterno but I think a judge will throw that right out...and no way Penn State is gonna allow this to go to trial, not a chance...Penn State unless it's a totally ludicrous settlement offer, will likely take any reasonably high settlement the plaintiff's attorneys offer. That kind of money, big money, I think likely over a million dollars per child...and you may be absolutely right because I know nothing about it and it seems you have knowledge in this regard...however this kind of money, I would have to believe has got to help at least a little bit, or you could be right and it won't help at all...but again...we can only hope that it does.
In 1998 (or around then), perhaps THE best defensive coach in the nation at the time, the heir apparent to the nation's most legendary college coach (Nick Saban's personal opinion aside), just up and retired. What was the feeling among the current roster of players (who presumably were recruited with the promise of playing for Sandusky) and their parents, along with the fan-base at large? Did people "understand" that it was because of his shower incident (which he flat out admitted)?
Was this a non-story at the national level back then? Because I sure don't remember it. Is that a function of how far we have "progressed" at getting news with the internet, or did PSU do a stellar job of keeping the whole thing on the downlow?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we had a situation where a coach in his prime, and a good prime at that, was forced to retire. People had to know why. Yet this same guy remained a mainstay on campus and still ran his charity, and everyone just accepted it?
That paltry $1.6B endowment is in real jeapordy.
<< <i>Philly.com reports that as of today...Mike McQueary will be on the sidelines coaching Saturday. Incredible, if true. >>
And he's still head recruiting coordinator.........nice. MJ
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You have made the argument that Paterno was a busy guy and "someone" came up to him with an accusation. The accuser was his ex-starting quarterback and current assistant on the team. That is just someone? To me the only argument you can make is that Paterno told the head of campus police and felt he had done his duty, yet even that rings hollow as a defense. I am sure everyone will be interested in knowing how much of the 1998 internal Penn State investigation and report Paterno knew (by all accounts he would have been fully aware of anything that could affect the Penn State football program). It certainly shines a different light onto Sandusky's abrupt retirement in June 1999.
In 2007 Sandusky attended a closed Penn State practice accompanied by a young boy. How could Paterno have allowed this to happen? How could McQueary not have done something or said something since he was an assistant coach at the time?
I am not convinced we will hear the true details of who knew what and what was said for a long time, probably in a book or 60 minutes interview in 5-10 years. I imagine when the details come out the apologists will attack the credibility of the source, the two administrators will probably be convicted felons and the grad assistant ran and called daddy after seeing a 10 year being raped, if anything would begin to further tarnish the reputation of Paterno. A lot of who knew what rests on the shoulders of McQueary. I hope someday he takes the time to explain how he went from witnessing a 10 year old being raped in 2002, to being told the only punishment was Sandusky being barred from the Penn State facilities, to becoming a full blown Penn State football staff member in 2003, to seeing that pedophile with another young boy on the Penn State practice field in 2007.
I do agree that everyone has pretty much made up their minds at this point.
Robb
He's chillin' out, relaxing at home...but who is there with him? Dottie, the wife? Is she there? Has she filed for divorce yet? Is he alone in the house? Is he under house arrest? What about Sandusky's six adopted kids? Have they had any input?
I've never seen so many people clam-up.
<< <i> there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer. >>
This article is not from this week....but from April 3rd, 2011
Read it here
<< <i>Choke this one down (passed along by our afternoon Sports talk station here in Detroit):
<< <i> there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer. >>
This article is not from this week....but from April 3rd, 2011
Read it here >>
Wow, just wow. How did this not get noticed by the national media?
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<< <i>Choke this one down (passed along by our afternoon Sports talk station here in Detroit):
<< <i> there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?
Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.
Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?
You might not want to hear the answer. >>
This article is not from this week....but from April 3rd, 2011
Read it here >>
Wow, just wow. How did this not get noticed by the national media? >>
Exactly. I'm still not sure how the original events in 1998 didn't cause more of a stir.
The whole thing is odd. As recently as this past Sunday, the only mention of anything was a side heading on espn.com that read "PSU Athletic Director Charged with Perjury". It was almost as if the Sandusky part was secondary to anything else going on.
Now dont that get your mind racing after all this stuff is coming out. Got to make you wonder if he was going to "spill the beans" and someone took him out
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<< <i>Ok so I have a degree in Criminal Justice. Im always looking into things and researching things. Try this on for size. The District Attorney investigating this back in the late 90's up and disappeared. Vainished. Car found on a dirt road, cell phone inside.
Now dont that get your mind racing after all this stuff is coming out. Got to make you wonder if he was going to "spill the beans" and someone took him out
Missing sice 2005 >>
Hey, the grass in Happy Valley won't keep itself green ya know.... Sometimes it needs ... ummmm.. organic matter....
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could this turn into a murder case??????
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668
Yes, Paterno reported the alleged act, but he sure didn't bust his hump trying to get to the bottom of the situation either. He had to know that his reputation would get entangled in any scandal involving Sandusky.
Bottom Line in my opinion...this was a case of everyone doing the bare minimum and looking the other way because football is the school's biggest cash cow, and they wanted the $ to keep rolling in.
Frankly I hope heads roll all the way up to the school administration.
I feel sorry for the victims first and foremost, and I hope they sue the crap out of everyone involved.
I also feel sorry for current Penn State players and students because the school will never be the same again. Don't be surprised if the transfer requests start rolling in.
This may end up destroying their football program and irreparably damaging the school itself...all because a few people didn't do what was right and at least try to get rid of this guy immediately after the first incident. And don't give me the "innocent until proven guilty" spiel... they should have SUSPENDED him immediately pending a THOROUGH investigation and not allowed him on campus pending the outcome. Not to mention putting staffers in his "charity" on notice that this incident happened and that he should not be allowed contact with children there pending their own thorough investigation.
There were several avenues to nail this guy and no one stepped up. Period. Including "Saint Joseph".
Also... what about Sandusky's 6 "adopted kids"...Has anyone thought to have counselors interview them yet? If he's doing things in the locker room, what's he doing at home?
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Conveniently, his wife was never home when he brought one of his young boys home.
Sick F'er.
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<< <i>I got $50.00 that says this guy puts a gun to his head and pulls the trigger before its all over with. >>
I'll take that bet, but you need to pick a date at which we'll settle up. >>
Im still standing behind this statement, and if he has any kind of involement with the missing DA life is going to get vey bad for him. Now his adopted kids are coming forward. Man oh man is his time here is short lived.
Boopotts, with the way our legal system is if we did bet this it might take years before either of us got paid.
<< <i>I wasn't going to respond here until after considerably more info came to light... but the whiny Joe P defenders (both here and elsewhere) irk me. You'd think this guy was God or something. He's a football coach, and a somewhat overrated one at that.
Yes, Paterno reported the alleged act, but he sure didn't bust his hump trying to get to the bottom of the situation either. He had to know that his reputation would get entangled in any scandal involving Sandusky.
Bottom Line in my opinion...this was a case of everyone doing the bare minimum and looking the other way because football is the school's biggest cash cow, and they wanted the $ to keep rolling in.
Frankly I hope heads roll all the way up to the school administration.
I feel sorry for the victims first and foremost, and I hope they sue the crap out of everyone involved.
I also feel sorry for current Penn State players and students because the school will never be the same again. Don't be surprised if the transfer requests start rolling in.
This may end up destroying their football program and irreparably damaging the school itself...all because a few people didn't do what was right and at least try to get rid of this guy immediately after the first incident. And don't give me the "innocent until proven guilty" spiel... they should have SUSPENDED him immediately pending a THOROUGH investigation and not allowed him on campus pending the outcome. Not to mention putting staffers in his "charity" on notice that this incident happened and that he should not be allowed contact with children there pending their own thorough investigation.
There were several avenues to nail this guy and no one stepped up. Period. Including "Saint Joseph".
Also... what about Sandusky's 6 "adopted kids"...Has anyone thought to have counselors interview them yet? If he's doing things in the locker room, what's he doing at home? >>
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Edit to add: An excellent example of this dynamic in action comes from Paterno's statement today. Once he's done coaching, what is he going to spend the rest of his life doing? Is he going to spend it on efforts to prevent the very kind of sexual abuse that occurred in his locker room? No- he's going to spend it trying to repair the damage DONE TO THE UNVERSITY. Even now, Paterno's primary goal is to repair damage done to the institution- not to repair the damage done to the kids that were abused by Sandusky. And this comes from the lips of Joseph Vincent Paterno, a man who (and I still believe this) is far more morally developed than the average American male. If institutional life can have this kind of effect on him, imagine the effect it can (and does) have on the rest of us. >>
Because Jopa's whole life has been to help PSU. The institution is known for excellence. Why would he stop trying to help an
institution that has brought about so many positive things in people's lives ? Why would one huge mistake cause him to stop
doing good ? Has one mistake in your life caused you to stop doing good? I hope not. Do you spend the rest of your life dedicated
to the ones you've hurt ? Look in the mirror and ask yourself if you spend every waking moment thinking about and helping those
who suffered at your own hand. And don't spout off that you've never hurt anyone, because everyone has.
I don't believe institutional life had this effect on him. I believe generational ignorance and "keep your mouth shut" had an effect
on him. My parents who were born in the 30's never spoke anything about the ills of society. If it happened, you kept your
mouth shut, to your grave.
No pity...no mercy. Run his old ass out of town.
He should devote the brief remainder of his life to helping molested children, not Penn State.
That's what a real man would do.
<< <i>Yea, but that's a piss-poor excuse coming too late if that's what he tries to say.
No pity...no mercy. Run his old ass out of town.
He should devote the brief remainder of his life to helping molested children, not Penn State.
That's what a real man would do. >>
Then please explain to us how you've spent the rest of your life helping those you've hurt.
Because if you're advocating that for someone else, then I'm sure you practice what you preach.
Please go into detail all the things you've done for those you've inflicted pain on in your life.
McQuery's recruitment letter.
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<< <i>Ok so I have a degree in Criminal Justice. Im always looking into things and researching things. Try this on for size. The District Attorney investigating this back in the late 90's up and disappeared. Vainished. Car found on a dirt road, cell phone inside.
Now dont that get your mind racing after all this stuff is coming out. Got to make you wonder if he was going to "spill the beans" and someone took him out
Missing sice 2005 >>
If true, then I'm sure everyone else involved in this matter got the same message. Which is, either keep your mouth shut, or
pay with your life.
<< <i>Honor my arse............MJ
McQuery's recruitment letter.
Sigh. What dirtbags.
<< <i>A question for long-time Penn Staters:
In 1998 (or around then), perhaps THE best defensive coach in the nation at the time, the heir apparent to the nation's most legendary college coach (Nick Saban's personal opinion aside), just up and retired. What was the feeling among the current roster of players (who presumably were recruited with the promise of playing for Sandusky) and their parents, along with the fan-base at large? Did people "understand" that it was because of his shower incident (which he flat out admitted)?
Was this a non-story at the national level back then? Because I sure don't remember it. Is that a function of how far we have "progressed" at getting news with the internet, or did PSU do a stellar job of keeping the whole thing on the downlow?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we had a situation where a coach in his prime, and a good prime at that, was forced to retire. People had to know why. Yet this same guy remained a mainstay on campus and still ran his charity, and everyone just accepted it? >>
The rumors and questions have been asked forever about when Joe would retire. I recall when Sandusky retired and rumor was he wanted to be head coach and Joe said so Sandusky retired. That’s all I recall. If a sex scandal was about I don’t remember hearing about it.
The saddest part of all this are the number of victims. In 1998, the DA had Sandusky and could have locked him away at that time. They had two police detectives that were witnesses to Sandusky’s admission to guilt to a parent and the legal system didn’t charge him and he was free to go.
If that were my child, as a parent, I would have spent every minute of my life getting this out to everyone and anyone that would listen until this monster was behind bars....period. Why wasn’t that done?
The DA at the time (no missing) along with future DA’s had this information along with police and nothing was ever done through the years. Until all the facts come out and others start calling each other out we may see that the police and DA’s knew more than they are saying.
Joe’s out so he may chirp, we’ll see. I had hoped he did more than tell his boss, but it’s not looking that way. MM and his dad should have a lot more, too.
I’ve witnessed an assault and did something, but it’s a shock and you wonder what do at first. Once you get your senses back you get help and police a.s.a.p.
At Best - He's incompetent to not realize the seriousness of not reporting a child rapest to the police.
At worst - He let a predator roam the Penn St campus and looked the other way to protect his program.
I tend to belive the latter.
<< <i>Then please explain to us how you've spent the rest of your life helping those you've hurt.
Because if you're advocating that for someone else, then I'm sure you practice what you preach.
Please go into detail all the things you've done for those you've inflicted pain on in your life. >>
Child, please....
<< <i>anyone else wondering what other skeletons are in that closet? >>
What is more plausible?
a) What Paterno and PSU is currently spinning
or
b)
1998-
Sandusky admits he had a "shower" with a child and tell the mother I wish I was dead followed by perhaps this hypothetical conversation after the incident
Hypothetical PSU Brass conversation to Sandusky----------Hey Jerry. You are going to resign and not coach anywhere else. You are going to keep your mouth shut. We are shutting this down. You will remain loyal and mum's the word. Oh and here's some honor emeritus status and free reign of the campus. We take care of our own.
Remember Sandusky is a hot coaching commodity at the time. He suddenly quits football the following year in 1999.
2002
McQuery catches Sandusky raping a little boy and does nothing to stop him. He then reports to Joe Paterno that he saw something wrong between coach Sandusky and a little boy. At the time McQuery is making $5000 a year as a grad student assistant coach. Hypothetical conversation the following day:
Hypothetical PSU Brass conversation to McQuery- Hey Mike. You are going to keep your mouth shut and tell no one about what you saw. You will remain loyal and mum's the word.
We take care of our own.
The very next season McQuery is made wide receivers coach and getting paid. He is eventually made the head of recruiting. All is good until the pesky grand jury investigation.
I'm not buying what PSU is selling. What they are selling stinks and makes little sense. If Paterno and McQuery are allowed to coach on Saturday it will be a travesty in my opinion and I wish a pox on the Penn State house.
We Are..........Penn State.................higher standards my arse.
How hard is it to pick up the phone and call the police, Mike McQuery? How hard is it to pick up the phone and call the police, Joe Paterno? Unless of course there was never any intent to really get the police involved by PSU.
Just sayin. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
When you witness a child being raped, you stop it, then report it to the police (not the campus police). If in fact Mcquery was there and did nothing he's a coward and in my opinion a criminal as well.
When Paterno was told, he should have immediately called police and child protection. There is no "chain of command" here, ANYONE knowing of this that did the minimum is almost as guilty as the perpetrator.
Haven't we decided that we aren't going to allow adults to rape our children? They never stop!
My ex-neighbor molested his daughter who was about the same age as my daughter. I told him if he ever touched my girl I would blow him away with my shotgun. THAT'S what we should do with child molesters. Protecting them only ensures that more children will be harmed. Money from a lawsuit will never give a child back his/her innocence and to even insinuate that is pathetic.
If Sandusky is guilty, he should be put to death. If ever released from prison he WILL re-offend.
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<< <i>This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more. >>
~Paterno from his retirement statement
So...he admits he should have done more....thereby admitting that he was aware of Sandusky and his actions.
And this dope thinks he gets to call his own shot about when he's leaving? Ha ha He'll be gone before Nebraska if the Trustees have and respect for the children.
Full Statement >>
<<<< he admits he should have done more >>>>
I predicted he would say that and it was an easy call. It's just plain silly and pathetic to bash Joe for saying that...likely each one of us almost every day, could look back at the previous day and admit we could have "done more" in some aspect.
Now the left wing liberals can pat themselves on the back with a perceived victory, and of course they will continue to try to destroy the life of this great conservative human being who did so much and helped so many at the greatest college in the world, to me. But don't worry about it...November 2012 is coming and then our side will be celebrating. >>
no, what's laughably pathetic is for you to inject politics into this. You are delusional. Paterno is an effin disgrace for not reporting this to authorities as required by federal law. As far as I'm concerned there is criminal negligence on his part. At least his image and legacy is in the toilet where it belongs.
It is saddening for me to actually read people here on the forum trying to defend PSU personnel. Its inexcusable. This is not a grey area of morality.
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