<< <i>Prudential still has a few 2010 sets for sale.
Fill out the 2 forms and send in your check. Takes just a few minutes: Its really not that bad. I got a phone call as soon as my application was approved and he explained that the firm handling the storage and shipping will call in 2 weeks to arrange delivery. He also said they took great care in handling the coins so if there are any dings it didnt happen on their watch.
If you're on the fence you got one last chance. Its a gift. >>
I agree it was pretty painless. Sent my check off to diamond states yesterday so the process is almost complete. It is a waiting game so probably not for the extremely impatient persons >>
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc... Thanks! - Aron
PS. any idea how many they have left? >>
Going to have your bearded posse order the last truckload? >>
If it's simple enough :-)
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc... Thanks! - Aron
I was one of those who bought a NGC Gem Set from Dillon Gage at a higher price... Just received the Set.
This appears that Yosemite and Yellow Stone are good candidates for 69dmpl. Mount Hood has a visible scratch on the mountain top.. GC and HS are above average quality.
Any one else received any of these...?Do I want to send the set for grading...
1) Does anyone have any info on cost of sending this to NGC for numeric grading? Will there be charges for big slab and Early release again?
2) if the set is sent to the hosts for grading, will the cost be similar to sending raw coins? >>
I bought this set, 3 are very nice coins IMO, 2 are just meh. In any case I am just holding on to mine for now, as there is no rush for ER designation with NGC now despite it past their cutoff date as they will get the ER automatically. NGC costs are about equivalent to PCGS and they don't ever charge for ER if the coin meets the date cutoff - you just get it.
<< <i>Prudential still has a few 2010 sets for sale.
Fill out the 2 forms and send in your check. Takes just a few minutes: Its really not that bad. I got a phone call as soon as my application was approved and he explained that the firm handling the storage and shipping will call in 2 weeks to arrange delivery. He also said they took great care in handling the coins so if there are any dings it didnt happen on their watch.
If you're on the fence you got one last chance. Its a gift. >>
I agree it was pretty painless. Sent my check off to diamond states yesterday so the process is almost complete. It is a waiting game so probably not for the extremely impatient persons >>
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc... Thanks! - Aron
PS. any idea how many they have left? >>
Going to have your bearded posse order the last truckload? >>
If it's simple enough :-)
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc... Thanks! - Aron >>
It's in the thread...just read back a bit (I'm sure someone may help you shorten your search, but you may not have won a lot of friends the way you have done things...excessive circumventing of guidelines, flooding the market with all yours early and pushing prices down for the folks that stayed within guidelines and didn't have such a "large network of friends", etc. You're a business, right, so the info is in the thread and if it is worth it to you, you will do it (and, I actually don't know the info off the top of my head, but I am sure if I wanted it bad enough, I would spend the 10 minutes or so to find it)
<< <i>Prudential still has a few 2010 sets for sale.
Fill out the 2 forms and send in your check. Takes just a few minutes: Its really not that bad. I got a phone call as soon as my application was approved and he explained that the firm handling the storage and shipping will call in 2 weeks to arrange delivery. He also said they took great care in handling the coins so if there are any dings it didnt happen on their watch.
If you're on the fence you got one last chance. Its a gift. >>
I agree it was pretty painless. Sent my check off to diamond states yesterday so the process is almost complete. It is a waiting game so probably not for the extremely impatient persons >>
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc... Thanks! - Aron
PS. any idea how many they have left? >>
Going to have your bearded posse order the last truckload? >>
If it's simple enough :-)
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc... Thanks! - Aron >>
It's in the thread...just read back a bit (I'm sure someone may help you shorten your search, but you may not have won a lot of friends the way you have done things...excessive circumventing of guidelines, flooding the market with all yours early and pushing prices down for the folks that stayed within guidelines and didn't have such a "large network of friends", etc. You're a business, right, so the info is in the thread and if it is worth it to you, you will do it (and, I actually don't know the info off the top of my head, but I am sure if I wanted it bad enough, I would spend the 10 minutes or so to find it) >>
Thanks! you're so kind! ;-)
and although i don't need to justify myself... just a FYI - other than one weekend - i never flooded the market - always did BIN listings that were priced competitively...
Business day 21 for my 12 Coin ATB submission. I'm guessing the delay is the fact that they are all 69 dpml with a 70 in the mix. Really messing with the system
My 14 coin atb sub has been there since the 2nd.I did get my grades on my 13 2011 $5 medal of honors and all were 69s. Thats only second time I have had all 69s but it still hurts.Well hopefully I'll do ok on the atbs.Laters
<< <i>My 14 coin atb sub has been there since the 2nd.I did get my grades on my 13 2011 $5 medal of honors and all were 69s. Thats only second time I have had all 69s but it still hurts.Well hopefully I'll do ok on the atbs.Laters >>
Ya mine shows the second also. Fact is I hurried to get it there before the change May 1st but didn't get into the system until the 2nd. Well at least I'm not alone and doesn't look like any atb grades have come out for a while. I think they are tired of looking at the pucks.
I am in shock. Just got my results of two ATB sets, and they are terrible! I have never seen such low grades, and they have had these since April. Someone asked to see the grade so I am including them. Actually I thought they were going to be good. Maybe the grader wanted to leave for the weekend.
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade 1 1 19947073 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64PL 1 2 19947074 506579 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM 2 1 19947075 505101 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64 2 2 19947076 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 3 1 19947077 506591 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM 3 2 19947078 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 4 1 19947079 506574 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 4 2 19947080 506575 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM 5 1 19947081 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM 5 2 19947082 506582 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS63PL
Just got my Prudential set. I am not opening it so I won't be reporting on the quality. Being sold unopened and I hope the new owner gets all 69DMPL's!! I just don't feel like spending $300+ and waiting 6 weeks for the results!! It looks a lot like the DG packaging I've seen.
<< <i>I am in shock. Just got my results of two ATB sets, and they are terrible! I have never seen such low grades, and they have had these since April. >>
So what did you get? Did you cherry-pick the submission?
I've got 6 cherry-picked pieces in for grading right now. They are as good or better than my AMPEX MS69DMPL but I'm not sure how they'll do. You never know.
<< <i>I am in shock. Just got my results of two ATB sets, and they are terrible! I have never seen such low grades, and they have had these since April. Someone asked to see the grade so I am including them. Actually I thought they were going to be good. Maybe the grader wanted to leave for the weekend.
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade 1 1 19947073 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64PL 1 2 19947074 506579 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM 2 1 19947075 505101 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64 2 2 19947076 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 3 1 19947077 506591 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM 3 2 19947078 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 4 1 19947079 506574 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 4 2 19947080 506575 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM 5 1 19947081 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM 5 2 19947082 506582 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS63PL >>
Ouch! That's a lot of $ for plastic tombs. Are you going to sell these? If so you will probably do better cracking them and selling them raw. I feel your pain man....
<< <i>I am in shock. Just got my results of two ATB sets, and they are terrible! I have never seen such low grades, and they have had these since April. Someone asked to see the grade so I am including them. Actually I thought they were going to be good. Maybe the grader wanted to leave for the weekend. >>
Ouch.
What grades were you expecting? (I'm still debating sending mine in. If you were expecting all 69 - or even mixed 68s and 69s, it means I'm saving my money).
<< <i>Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade 1 1 19947073 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64PL 1 2 19947074 506579 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM 2 1 19947075 505101 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64 2 2 19947076 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 3 1 19947077 506591 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM 3 2 19947078 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 4 1 19947079 506574 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 4 2 19947080 506575 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM 5 1 19947081 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM 5 2 19947082 506582 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS63PL
I'm done. No more grading of the 5 oz anything. >>
At least you got a couple 69s...After nothing less than a 68PL on my first three submissions (and a full 69 DMPL set for comparison purposes), my last submission of cherry-picked pucks looked a lot like yours: two 64s, a 66, a 67 and three 68s. All PL or DMPL, but who cares with those numbers? They were the best of three sets and I thought there were 4 or 5 69s and the rest 68s. I, too, am no longer sending any pucks in for grading. I'll keep my P pucks in OGP and buy the bullion ones off Ebay or from MCM after the initial price bubbles drop. It's just too expensive for the little guy to get reamed so badly.
Wouldn't you imagine there were specific grading criteria that they use? I mean, to hear "they have gotten tougher" should not be an issue. There should be objective criteria like so many little or big nicks get this or that score or whatever. I am new to this so what has other more seasoned veterans seen or what are the Collector's impressions about the grading services. I mean, if they " get tougher" then softer who can trust these services and why pay for them. I know about the quest for the imperial 70s but if grading is loose that becomes a big "my lucky day" factor assuming you correctly cherry picked from what you have.
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Yesterday I received my "2011 America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver- Set of 2" from A-Mark. I opened the carton and was suprised to see NGC early releases gem uncirculated encapsulated coins.
I spoke with someone at A-MARK. That person apologized for the mis-communicated information posted on the website. The person stated that it was their intention to have the coins PCGS encapsulated but at the time of submission PCGS was busy and that there would be a delay in delivering the coins to purchasers, so the decision was made to go with NGC. The person explained that they attempted to clarify the circumstances through posting and email. The person explained that they are still in the learning curve as direct retail is new for them, and that they are now aware of the significance of PCGS vs NGC and set building. MOST Important, the person stated that the next two coins are expected in a few weeks, and it is expected that they would be offered as PCGS First Strike BU (un-sorted, non-cherry picked) as the 2010 set was offered.
Again, the contact person acknowledged the mis-communication, and apologized for it, and better appreciates this matter.
I will be crossing my coins to PCGS First Strike before the deadline (May 31, 2011), The coins look great, but what do I know... I will post results when received.
<< <i> The person explained that they are still in the learning curve as direct retail is new for them, and that they are now aware of the significance of PCGS vs NGC and set building. >>
OK, I''m filing an official WTF with the ATB 2011 bullion crap-ola dept. Amark doesn't know the difference between the significance of PCGS vs NGC????? You have to be kidding me!!!!! What a bunch-o-hooey. Good Lord + Gracious. Funny, odd and remarkable - Amark had all their 2010 bullion slabbed by PCGS.
<< <i>I will be crossing my coins to PCGS First Strike before the deadline (May 31, 2011), The coins look great, but what do I know... I will post results when received. >>
Thanks for listening >>
What did those Amarks cost ya? North of $630 delivered for two of 'em? And you didn't get what you expected? And now you are going to pay to get them graded by PCGS?
<< <i>Wouldn't you imagine there were specific grading criteria that they use? I mean, to hear "they have gotten tougher" should not be an issue. There should be objective criteria like so many little or big nicks get this or that score or whatever. I am new to this so what has other more seasoned veterans seen or what are the Collector's impressions about the grading services. I mean, if they " get tougher" then softer who can trust these services and why pay for them. I know about the quest for the imperial 70s but if grading is loose that becomes a big "my lucky day" factor assuming you correctly cherry picked from what you have. >>
I, too, was under the impression that grading was fairly objective.
I watched this video from PCGS discussing how they grade (this is from 2007, so I imagine most of the regulars saw it long ago). It states that a grade is assigned, re-examined by an independent grader who doesn't know the previously assigned grade so the grade can be confirmed, and re-examined by a third grader if the first two disagree. After that, yet another grader verifies the assigned grades before the coin(s) are mailed out. The only way I can see for that to be done is if there are relatively objective criteria.
If the video is still accurate, that suggests that the grading criteria are being changed intentionally.
<< <i>Yes, I expected 68s & 69s. I think they are getting much tougher. >>
Results for 2 A-Mark sets (submitted the 8 best):
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade 1 1 19934823 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 2 1 19934824 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 3 1 19934825 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 4 1 19934826 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 5 1 19934827 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 6 1 19934828 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68 7 1 19934829 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68 8 1 19934830 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69DM
This is the first time I've ever submitted anything for grading. I expected at least five or six 69's, as most appeared to be nearly flawless. Only one had the tiniest of scratches. So apparently if it takes a flawless coin to make a 69, what is the point of having a grade category of 70? Is that reserved for "super flawless"?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
<< <i>My 14 coin atb sub has been there since the 2nd.I did get my grades on my 13 2011 $5 medal of honors and all were 69s. Thats only second time I have had all 69s but it still hurts.Well hopefully I'll do ok on the atbs.Laters >>
Ya mine shows the second also. Fact is I hurried to get it there before the change May 1st but didn't get into the system until the 2nd. Well at least I'm not alone and doesn't look like any atb grades have come out for a while. I think they are tired of looking at the pucks. >>
My 17 coin ATB submission shipped Friday Received on 5/10... probably all 69dmpl's so it was easy for them
The person that I spoke with did make an offer to compensate me to some degree (I believe it to be an acceptable offer), or complete/partial refund, or attempt to find PCGS FS BU coins for me. The person stated that other customers were made other offers. I did find it pleasing that they did not try to avoid responsibility, apologized, and stated that they learned something from this situation. I find that refreshing compared to how several other APs handled customer issues.
<< <i>Yes, I expected 68s & 69s. I think they are getting much tougher. >>
Results for 2 A-Mark sets (submitted the 8 best):
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade 1 1 19934823 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 2 1 19934824 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 3 1 19934825 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 4 1 19934826 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL 5 1 19934827 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL 6 1 19934828 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68 7 1 19934829 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68 8 1 19934830 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69DM
This is the first time I've ever submitted anything for grading. I expected at least five or six 69's, as most appeared to be nearly flawless. Only one had the tiniest of scratches. So apparently if it takes a flawless coin to make a 69, what is the point of having a grade category of 70? Is that reserved for "super flawless"? >>
considering this is your virgin submission i see it as very good. your lowest grade is 68. these were shipped in tubes making contact with each other and then handled who knows how much. i can`t really see any difference between a 68 and 69. i can, however easily see the difference between MS, PL and DMPL.
hold coin 10-12 inches away from you no matter what light you have in the room. look into the coin and if it "definitely" is like looking into a mirror it is DMPL.
at the same distance if it looks "kinda" like looking onto a mirror its not!!!!! this will be PL.
if you can`t see yourself its MS. if its not a MS69DMPL its only worth $275 - 300 now.
if you can sit on them for a couple years that will change.
<< <i> ............. considering this is your virgin submission i see it as very good. your lowest grade is 68. these were shipped in tubes making contact with each other and then handled who knows how much. i can`t really see any difference between a 68 and 69. i can, however easily see the difference between MS, PL and DMPL. .............. if its not a MS69DMPL its only worth $275 - 300 now. if you can sit on them for a couple years that will change. >>
I understand that many others here received worse grades than these, and that 68's are not too shabby. However, if you saw these coins in person you would be surprised that most were graded 68. What disturbs me is the notion that, had I submitted these several months ago, the outcome quite possibly would have been very different. We've seen photos here of 69 graded coins with abrasions & minor scratches. If hose same coins were re-submitted today, I doubt they'd score so highly. Apparently this so called grading "learning curve" is represented with the maxim "Buy the coin and not the slab". It will be interesting to see if a sub market develops for PCGS 68 graded coins that were slabbed mid year as opposed to early 2011.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
Yesterday I received my "2011 America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver- Set of 2" from A-Mark. I opened the carton and was suprised to see NGC early releases gem uncirculated encapsulated coins.
I spoke with someone at A-MARK. That person apologized for the mis-communicated information posted on the website. The person stated that it was their intention to have the coins PCGS encapsulated but at the time of submission PCGS was busy and that there would be a delay in delivering the coins to purchasers, so the decision was made to go with NGC. The person explained that they attempted to clarify the circumstances through posting and email. The person explained that they are still in the learning curve as direct retail is new for them, and that they are now aware of the significance of PCGS vs NGC and set building. MOST Important, the person stated that the next two coins are expected in a few weeks, and it is expected that they would be offered as PCGS First Strike BU (un-sorted, non-cherry picked) as the 2010 set was offered.
Again, the contact person acknowledged the mis-communication, and apologized for it, and better appreciates this matter.
I will be crossing my coins to PCGS First Strike before the deadline (May 31, 2011), The coins look great, but what do I know... I will post results when received.
The person that I spoke with did make an offer to compensate me to some degree (I believe it to be an acceptable offer), or complete/partial refund, or attempt to find PCGS FS BU coins for me. The person stated that other customers were made other offers. I did find it pleasing that they did not try to avoid responsibility, apologized, and stated that they learned something from this situation. I find that refreshing compared to how several other APs handled customer issues
Amark seems to be the most honest of the APs. I would purchase from them in the future if the price was fair. I too canceled my order of $620 because silver dropped. I was told that I wanted PCGS and they replied that they would accomodate me before I cancelled though. At least they want to make it up to those that purchased and wanted PCGS.
<< <i>Wouldn't you imagine there were specific grading criteria that they use? I mean, to hear "they have gotten tougher" should not be an issue. There should be objective criteria like so many little or big nicks get this or that score or whatever. I am new to this so what has other more seasoned veterans seen or what are the Collector's impressions about the grading services. I mean, if they " get tougher" then softer who can trust these services and why pay for them. I know about the quest for the imperial 70s but if grading is loose that becomes a big "my lucky day" factor assuming you correctly cherry picked from what you have. >>
I, too, was under the impression that grading was fairly objective.
I watched this video from PCGS discussing how they grade (this is from 2007, so I imagine most of the regulars saw it long ago). It states that a grade is assigned, re-examined by an independent grader who doesn't know the previously assigned grade so the grade can be confirmed, and re-examined by a third grader if the first two disagree. After that, yet another grader verifies the assigned grades before the coin(s) are mailed out. The only way I can see for that to be done is if there are relatively objective criteria.
So first I will disclose that I'm a fluorescent green noob..........I just finished watching the above video and was surprised to see the graders handling coins with bare hands. I was under the impression that doing so would be bad for the coins.
I'm not sure its all the APs with the 2010 / 2011 pucks. Some APs misbehaved and gouged, scrounged, deceived, graded pucks and jaded the public for the 2010s, while other APs did the best they could with a lousy situation stipulated by the mint.
The Amark slabbed 2011 puck marketing is peculiar.
You need a road to drive to arrive at your destination if you are an AP. The left turn marketing / grading detour of 2010 and 2011 pucks was provided to the APs willing to change course.
Some APs took the detour for better or worse, other APs did not. Simple as that.
There are a couple of gorillas in the 2010 / 2011 bullion puck room, one an 800 pounder, the other goes about 600 lbs IMO and seem to me to drive this 5 oz bullion grading market.
<< <i>The difference between 68 and 69 is sometimes the flip of a puck.... >>
That can be a very expensive "flip".
RobertS - May 31 refers to the FS deadline for the G&G bullion pucks. >>
I have three sets of pucks ungraded, does that mean I have to send them before the 31'st if I want first strike? >>
As stated right above your question....the deadline is for the 1st two 2011 bullion pucks...if that is the "set" you have then yes. If the "set" is the 2010 bullion pucks....no
From an article in today's Coin Update News "There were many claims that some AP’s appeared to be violating some of the Mint’s terms for distribution of the coins, such as by cherry picking the best coins for grading and then later re-selling those coins at a premium. The Mint recently announced that there are no grounds for conducting audits of how the AP’s handled the 2010 ATB bullion program. It specifically stated that the AP practice of having the coins graded before selling them was not a violation of the Mint’s terms of sale." And the June 13th issue of Coin World, pg 4, for those that can read the digital version: No Audit
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<< <i>Prudential still has a few 2010 sets for sale.
Fill out the 2 forms and send in your check. Takes just a few minutes: Its really not that bad.
I got a phone call as soon as my application was approved and he explained that the firm handling the storage and shipping will call in 2 weeks to arrange delivery. He also said they took great care in handling the coins so if there are any
dings it didnt happen on their watch.
If you're on the fence you got one last chance. Its a gift. >>
I agree it was pretty painless. Sent my check off to diamond states yesterday so the process is almost complete. It is a waiting game so probably not for the extremely impatient persons
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc...
Thanks!
- Aron
PS. any idea how many they have left? >>
Going to have your bearded posse order the last truckload? >>
If it's simple enough :-)
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc...
Thanks!
- Aron
<< <i>NGC GEM UNCIRULATED ER ATB Set
I was one of those who bought a NGC Gem Set from Dillon Gage at a higher price... Just received the Set.
This appears that Yosemite and Yellow Stone are good candidates for 69dmpl.
Mount Hood has a visible scratch on the mountain top..
GC and HS are above average quality.
Any one else received any of these...?Do I want to send the set for grading...
1) Does anyone have any info on cost of sending this to NGC for numeric grading? Will there be charges for big slab and Early release again?
2) if the set is sent to the hosts for grading, will the cost be similar to sending raw coins? >>
I bought this set, 3 are very nice coins IMO, 2 are just meh. In any case I am just holding on to mine for now, as there is no rush for ER designation with NGC now despite it past their cutoff date as they will get the ER automatically. NGC costs are about equivalent to PCGS and they don't ever charge for ER if the coin meets the date cutoff - you just get it.
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<< <i>Prudential still has a few 2010 sets for sale.
Fill out the 2 forms and send in your check. Takes just a few minutes: Its really not that bad.
I got a phone call as soon as my application was approved and he explained that the firm handling the storage and shipping will call in 2 weeks to arrange delivery. He also said they took great care in handling the coins so if there are any
dings it didnt happen on their watch.
If you're on the fence you got one last chance. Its a gift. >>
I agree it was pretty painless. Sent my check off to diamond states yesterday so the process is almost complete. It is a waiting game so probably not for the extremely impatient persons
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc...
Thanks!
- Aron
PS. any idea how many they have left? >>
Going to have your bearded posse order the last truckload? >>
If it's simple enough :-)
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc...
Thanks!
- Aron >>
It's in the thread...just read back a bit
(I'm sure someone may help you shorten your search, but you may not have won a lot of friends the way you have done things...excessive circumventing of guidelines, flooding the market with all yours early and pushing prices down for the folks that stayed within guidelines and didn't have such a "large network of friends", etc. You're a business, right, so the info is in the thread and if it is worth it to you, you will do it
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Prudential still has a few 2010 sets for sale.
Fill out the 2 forms and send in your check. Takes just a few minutes: Its really not that bad.
I got a phone call as soon as my application was approved and he explained that the firm handling the storage and shipping will call in 2 weeks to arrange delivery. He also said they took great care in handling the coins so if there are any
dings it didnt happen on their watch.
If you're on the fence you got one last chance. Its a gift. >>
I agree it was pretty painless. Sent my check off to diamond states yesterday so the process is almost complete. It is a waiting game so probably not for the extremely impatient persons
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc...
Thanks!
- Aron
PS. any idea how many they have left? >>
Going to have your bearded posse order the last truckload? >>
If it's simple enough :-)
Can someone please refresh my memory to the exact steps/costs/instructions/timeline etc...
Thanks!
- Aron >>
It's in the thread...just read back a bit
(I'm sure someone may help you shorten your search, but you may not have won a lot of friends the way you have done things...excessive circumventing of guidelines, flooding the market with all yours early and pushing prices down for the folks that stayed within guidelines and didn't have such a "large network of friends", etc. You're a business, right, so the info is in the thread and if it is worth it to you, you will do it
Thanks! you're so kind! ;-)
and although i don't need to justify myself... just a FYI - other than one weekend - i never flooded the market - always did BIN listings that were priced competitively...
2010 ATB SET
Got it all done in a 44 cent stamped envelope.
The guy at Pru said they are almost finished with these. I didnt ask for specifics.
<< <i>Link to Prudential:
2010 ATB SET
Got it all done in a 44 cent stamped envelope.
The guy at Pru said they are almost finished with these. I didnt ask for specifics. >>
Thank you!
Enjoy the long weekend!
- Aron
<< <i>My 14 coin atb sub has been there since the 2nd.I did get my grades on my 13 2011 $5 medal of honors and all were 69s. Thats only second time I have had all 69s but it still hurts.Well hopefully I'll do ok on the atbs.Laters >>
Ya mine shows the second also. Fact is I hurried to get it there before the change May 1st but didn't get into the system until the 2nd. Well at least I'm not alone and doesn't look like any atb grades have come out for a while. I think they are tired of looking at the pucks.
Someone asked to see the grade so I am including them. Actually I thought they were going to be good. Maybe the grader wanted to leave for the weekend.
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 19947073 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64PL
1 2 19947074 506579 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
2 1 19947075 505101 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64
2 2 19947076 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
3 1 19947077 506591 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
3 2 19947078 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
4 1 19947079 506574 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
4 2 19947080 506575 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
5 1 19947081 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
5 2 19947082 506582 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS63PL
<< <i>I am in shock. Just got my results of two ATB sets, and they are terrible! I have never seen such low grades, and they have had these since April. >>
So what did you get? Did you cherry-pick the submission?
I've got 6 cherry-picked pieces in for grading right now. They are as good or better than my AMPEX MS69DMPL but I'm not sure how they'll do. You never know.
1 1 19947073 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64PL
1 2 19947074 506579 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
2 1 19947075 505101 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64
2 2 19947076 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
3 1 19947077 506591 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
3 2 19947078 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
4 1 19947079 506574 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
4 2 19947080 506575 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
5 1 19947081 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
5 2 19947082 506582 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS63PL
I'm done. No more grading of the 5 oz anything.
<< <i>I am in shock. Just got my results of two ATB sets, and they are terrible! I have never seen such low grades, and they have had these since April.
Someone asked to see the grade so I am including them. Actually I thought they were going to be good. Maybe the grader wanted to leave for the weekend.
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 19947073 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64PL
1 2 19947074 506579 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
2 1 19947075 505101 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64
2 2 19947076 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
3 1 19947077 506591 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
3 2 19947078 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
4 1 19947079 506574 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
4 2 19947080 506575 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
5 1 19947081 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
5 2 19947082 506582 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS63PL >>
Ouch! That's a lot of $ for plastic tombs. Are you going to sell these? If so you will probably do better cracking them and selling them raw. I feel your pain man....
<< <i>I am in shock. Just got my results of two ATB sets, and they are terrible! I have never seen such low grades, and they have had these since April.
Someone asked to see the grade so I am including them. Actually I thought they were going to be good. Maybe the grader wanted to leave for the weekend.
>>
Ouch.
What grades were you expecting? (I'm still debating sending mine in. If you were expecting all 69 - or even mixed 68s and 69s, it means I'm saving my money).
Thanks.
<< <i>Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 19947073 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64PL
1 2 19947074 506579 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
2 1 19947075 505101 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS64
2 2 19947076 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
3 1 19947077 506591 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
3 2 19947078 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
4 1 19947079 506574 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
4 2 19947080 506575 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS67DM
5 1 19947081 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68DM
5 2 19947082 506582 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS63PL
I'm done. No more grading of the 5 oz anything. >>
At least you got a couple 69s...After nothing less than a 68PL on my first three submissions (and a full 69 DMPL set for comparison purposes), my last submission of cherry-picked pucks looked a lot like yours: two 64s, a 66, a 67 and three 68s. All PL or DMPL, but who cares with those numbers? They were the best of three sets and I thought there were 4 or 5 69s and the rest 68s. I, too, am no longer sending any pucks in for grading. I'll keep my P pucks in OGP and buy the bullion ones off Ebay or from MCM after the initial price bubbles drop. It's just too expensive for the little guy to get reamed so badly.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
I mean, to hear "they have gotten tougher" should not be an issue.
There should be objective criteria like so many little or big nicks get this or that score or whatever.
I am new to this so what has other more seasoned veterans seen or what are the Collector's impressions about the grading services.
I mean, if they " get tougher" then softer who can trust these services and why pay for them.
I know about the quest for the imperial 70s but if grading is loose that becomes a big "my lucky day" factor assuming you correctly cherry picked from what you have.
Yesterday I received my "2011 America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver- Set of 2" from A-Mark. I opened the carton and was suprised to see NGC early releases gem uncirculated encapsulated coins.
I spoke with someone at A-MARK. That person apologized for the mis-communicated information posted on the website. The person stated that it was their intention to have the coins PCGS encapsulated but at the time of submission PCGS was busy and that there would be a delay in delivering the coins to purchasers, so the decision was made to go with NGC. The person explained that they attempted to clarify the circumstances through posting and email. The person explained that they are still in the learning curve as direct retail is new for them, and that they are now aware of the significance of PCGS vs NGC and set building. MOST Important, the person stated that the next two coins are expected in a few weeks, and it is expected that they would be offered as PCGS First Strike BU (un-sorted, non-cherry picked) as the 2010 set was offered.
Again, the contact person acknowledged the mis-communication, and apologized for it, and better appreciates this matter.
I will be crossing my coins to PCGS First Strike before the deadline (May 31, 2011), The coins look great, but what do I know... I will post results when received.
Thanks for listening
(l8-)>>
<< <i>The person explained that they are still in the learning curve as direct retail is new for them >>
I don't own, operate, and never have worked at a retail store but I know better than to advertise one thing and ship another...
<< <i> The person explained that they are still in the learning curve as direct retail is new for them, and that they are now aware of the significance of PCGS vs NGC and set building. >>
OK, I''m filing an official WTF with the ATB 2011 bullion crap-ola dept. Amark doesn't know the difference between the significance of PCGS vs NGC????? You have to be kidding me!!!!! What a bunch-o-hooey. Good Lord + Gracious. Funny, odd and remarkable - Amark had all their 2010 bullion slabbed by PCGS.
<< <i>I will be crossing my coins to PCGS First Strike before the deadline (May 31, 2011), The coins look great, but what do I know... I will post results when received. >>
Thanks for listening >>
What did those Amarks cost ya? North of $630 delivered for two of 'em? And you didn't get what you expected? And now you are going to pay to get them graded by PCGS?
Ouch.
<< <i>Wouldn't you imagine there were specific grading criteria that they use?
I mean, to hear "they have gotten tougher" should not be an issue.
There should be objective criteria like so many little or big nicks get this or that score or whatever.
I am new to this so what has other more seasoned veterans seen or what are the Collector's impressions about the grading services.
I mean, if they " get tougher" then softer who can trust these services and why pay for them.
I know about the quest for the imperial 70s but if grading is loose that becomes a big "my lucky day" factor assuming you correctly cherry picked from what you have. >>
I, too, was under the impression that grading was fairly objective.
I watched this video from PCGS discussing how they grade (this is from 2007, so I imagine most of the regulars saw it long ago). It states that a grade is assigned, re-examined by an independent grader who doesn't know the previously assigned grade so the grade can be confirmed, and re-examined by a third grader if the first two disagree. After that, yet another grader verifies the assigned grades before the coin(s) are mailed out. The only way I can see for that to be done is if there are relatively objective criteria.
If the video is still accurate, that suggests that the grading criteria are being changed intentionally.
The prices seem to have finally leveled off on the PCGS price list now.
I was looking at it today and there is only one change on it. Last week it had been a sea or red.
That being the case are they now going to go up or down?
I feel that they are going to make a slow climb.
<< <i>Yes, I expected 68s & 69s. I think they are getting much tougher. >>
Results for 2 A-Mark sets (submitted the 8 best):
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 19934823 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
2 1 19934824 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
3 1 19934825 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
4 1 19934826 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
5 1 19934827 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
6 1 19934828 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68
7 1 19934829 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68
8 1 19934830 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69DM
This is the first time I've ever submitted anything for grading. I expected at least five or six 69's, as most
appeared to be nearly flawless. Only one had the tiniest of scratches. So apparently if it takes a flawless coin
to make a 69, what is the point of having a grade category of 70? Is that reserved for "super flawless"?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
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<< <i>My 14 coin atb sub has been there since the 2nd.I did get my grades on my 13 2011 $5 medal of honors and all were 69s. Thats only second time I have had all 69s but it still hurts.Well hopefully I'll do ok on the atbs.Laters >>
Ya mine shows the second also. Fact is I hurried to get it there before the change May 1st but didn't get into the system until the 2nd. Well at least I'm not alone and doesn't look like any atb grades have come out for a while. I think they are tired of looking at the pucks. >>
My 17 coin ATB submission shipped Friday Received on 5/10... probably all 69dmpl's so it was easy for them
5/10/2011 5/27/2011 Shipped
The person that I spoke with did make an offer to compensate me to some degree (I believe it to be an acceptable offer), or complete/partial refund, or attempt to find PCGS FS BU coins for me. The person stated that other customers were made other offers. I did find it pleasing that they did not try to avoid responsibility, apologized, and stated that they learned something from this situation. I find that refreshing compared to how several other APs handled customer issues.
(l8-)>>
I am sure glad I cancelled my order for $620 or so when prices went south on these.
<< <i>
<< <i>Yes, I expected 68s & 69s. I think they are getting much tougher. >>
Results for 2 A-Mark sets (submitted the 8 best):
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 19934823 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
2 1 19934824 506578 2010 25C Hot Springs NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
3 1 19934825 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
4 1 19934826 506586 2010 25C Yellowstone NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69PL
5 1 19934827 506590 2010 25C Yosemite NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68PL
6 1 19934828 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68
7 1 19934829 505103 2010 25C Grand Canyon NP - 5 oz Silver US MS68
8 1 19934830 506583 2010 25C Mount Hood NP - 5 oz Silver US MS69DM
This is the first time I've ever submitted anything for grading. I expected at least five or six 69's, as most
appeared to be nearly flawless. Only one had the tiniest of scratches. So apparently if it takes a flawless coin
to make a 69, what is the point of having a grade category of 70? Is that reserved for "super flawless"? >>
considering this is your virgin
hold coin 10-12 inches away from you no matter what light you have in the room. look into the coin and if it "definitely" is like looking into a mirror it is DMPL.
at the same distance if it looks "kinda" like looking onto a mirror its not!!!!! this will be PL.
if you can`t see yourself its MS. if its not a MS69DMPL its only worth $275 - 300 now.
if you can sit on them for a couple years that will change.
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<< <i> .............
considering this is your virgin
.............. if its not a MS69DMPL its only worth $275 - 300 now.
if you can sit on them for a couple years that will change. >>
I understand that many others here received worse grades than these, and that 68's are not too shabby.
However, if you saw these coins in person you would be surprised that most were graded 68. What disturbs me
is the notion that, had I submitted these several months ago, the outcome quite possibly would have been very
different. We've seen photos here of 69 graded coins with abrasions & minor scratches. If hose same coins were
re-submitted today, I doubt they'd score so highly. Apparently this so called grading "learning curve" is
represented with the maxim "Buy the coin and not the slab". It will be interesting to see if a sub market
develops for PCGS 68 graded coins that were slabbed mid year as opposed to early 2011.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
<< <i>I just got a set from Prudential yesteday that look great, but the other coins did also. I think I will save them as is. >>
Still waiting for mine....Did you get a shipping notice??
<< <i>The difference between 68 and 69 is sometimes the flip of a puck.... >>
?
Right over my head.
Would you please elaborate?
<< <i><< WARNING!!!!!!!!! RESOLUTION !!!!!!!!!!!
Yesterday I received my "2011 America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver- Set of 2" from A-Mark. I opened the carton and was suprised to see NGC early releases gem uncirculated encapsulated coins.
I spoke with someone at A-MARK. That person apologized for the mis-communicated information posted on the website. The person stated that it was their intention to have the coins PCGS encapsulated but at the time of submission PCGS was busy and that there would be a delay in delivering the coins to purchasers, so the decision was made to go with NGC. The person explained that they attempted to clarify the circumstances through posting and email. The person explained that they are still in the learning curve as direct retail is new for them, and that they are now aware of the significance of PCGS vs NGC and set building. MOST Important, the person stated that the next two coins are expected in a few weeks, and it is expected that they would be offered as PCGS First Strike BU (un-sorted, non-cherry picked) as the 2010 set was offered.
Again, the contact person acknowledged the mis-communication, and apologized for it, and better appreciates this matter.
I will be crossing my coins to PCGS First Strike before the deadline (May 31, 2011), The coins look great, but what do I know... I will post results when received.
Thanks for listening >>
Ohh wait, did I miss something? What Deadline?
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<< <i>I just got a set from Prudential yesteday that look great, but the other coins did also. I think I will save them as is. >>
Still waiting for mine....Did you get a shipping notice?? >>
I just got my Prudential set on Thursday. No they did not notify me of shipping so I was surprised when they showed up. What a long wait!!!
<< <i>The difference between 68 and 69 is sometimes the flip of a puck.... >>
That can be a very expensive "flip".
RobertS - May 31 refers to the FS deadline for the G&G bullion pucks.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
Amark seems to be the most honest of the APs. I would purchase from them in the future if the price was fair. I too canceled my order of $620 because silver dropped. I was told that I wanted PCGS and they replied that they would accomodate me before I cancelled though. At least they want to make it up to those that purchased and wanted PCGS.
Box of 20
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<< <i>Wouldn't you imagine there were specific grading criteria that they use?
I mean, to hear "they have gotten tougher" should not be an issue.
There should be objective criteria like so many little or big nicks get this or that score or whatever.
I am new to this so what has other more seasoned veterans seen or what are the Collector's impressions about the grading services.
I mean, if they " get tougher" then softer who can trust these services and why pay for them.
I know about the quest for the imperial 70s but if grading is loose that becomes a big "my lucky day" factor assuming you correctly cherry picked from what you have. >>
I, too, was under the impression that grading was fairly objective.
I watched this video from PCGS discussing how they grade (this is from 2007, so I imagine most of the regulars saw it long ago). It states that a grade is assigned, re-examined by an independent grader who doesn't know the previously assigned grade so the grade can be confirmed, and re-examined by a third grader if the first two disagree. After that, yet another grader verifies the assigned grades before the coin(s) are mailed out. The only way I can see for that to be done is if there are relatively objective criteria.
So first I will disclose that I'm a fluorescent green noob..........I just finished watching the above video and was surprised to see the graders handling coins with bare hands. I was under the impression that doing so would be bad for the coins.
Thoughts?
The Amark slabbed 2011 puck marketing is peculiar.
You need a road to drive to arrive at your destination if you are an AP. The left turn marketing / grading detour of 2010 and 2011 pucks was provided to the APs willing to change course.
Some APs took the detour for better or worse, other APs did not. Simple as that.
There are a couple of gorillas in the 2010 / 2011 bullion puck room, one an 800 pounder, the other goes about 600 lbs IMO and seem to me to drive this 5 oz bullion grading market.
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<< <i>I just got a set from Prudential yesteday that look great, but the other coins did also. I think I will save them as is. >>
Still waiting for mine....Did you get a shipping notice?? >>
No, they just showed up at my door. Sent a money order, but it wasn't any faster.
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<< <i>The difference between 68 and 69 is sometimes the flip of a puck.... >>
That can be a very expensive "flip".
RobertS - May 31 refers to the FS deadline for the G&G bullion pucks. >>
I have three sets of pucks ungraded, does that mean I have to send them before the 31'st if I want first strike?
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<< <i>The difference between 68 and 69 is sometimes the flip of a puck.... >>
That can be a very expensive "flip".
RobertS - May 31 refers to the FS deadline for the G&G bullion pucks. >>
I have three sets of pucks ungraded, does that mean I have to send them before the 31'st if I want first strike? >>
As stated right above your question....the deadline is for the 1st two 2011 bullion pucks...if that is the "set" you have then yes. If the "set" is the 2010 bullion pucks....no
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<< <i>I just got a set from Prudential yesteday that look great, but the other coins did also. I think I will save them as is. >>
Still waiting for mine....Did you get a shipping notice?? >>
No, they just showed up at my door. Sent a money order, but it wasn't any faster. >>
I guess for the "discount" shipping rate of $65 you don't get the courtesy of a shipping notice....
"There were many claims that some AP’s appeared to be violating some of the Mint’s terms for distribution of the coins, such as by cherry picking the best coins for grading and then later re-selling those coins at a premium. The Mint recently announced that there are no grounds for conducting audits of how the AP’s handled the 2010 ATB bullion program. It specifically stated that the AP practice of having the coins graded before selling them was not a violation of the Mint’s terms of sale."
And the June 13th issue of Coin World, pg 4, for those that can read the digital version: No Audit