With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at?
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<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
It's hard to say. Collecting the series was re-awoken by Eric's book before the Buch's came out. So, those who wanted to collect them probably are in already. We may not see much of a move up. However, this is a guess from only one factor. Perhaps there are other issues not considered: like a continuing draw into the series by the book or the thought of numerical scarcity in the series as a whole.
<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
Now that the series is being noticed (every issue past '07 now has a premium) I do not see how these will be any less than $1k ea. raw, no matter what gold does, in 2 month's time or less.
Ohh the waiting game, I hope the mint does not take 2 years to release the final mintage numbers. I noticed the proofs are scarce on ebay and the price is slowly creeping up...
<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
Now that the series is being noticed (every issue past '07 now has a premium) I do not see how these will be any less than $1k ea. raw, no matter what gold does, in 2 month's time or less. >>
apparently, except for Mary Todd Lincoln. Who seems to have a plentiful supply.
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0 Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,353* (1)
Once again, no change for the proofs, but the unc. dropped by one. >>
it is interesting how the sales came in about where many of us expected before all this started, right around 13,000, or 400 less than that. The sales also show a somewhat normal spread between unc to proof, should be interesting to see the final audited numbers.
Late last year, you mentioned the final Mint audited numbers for 2009 and some 2010 first spouse, and if I remember correctly, you said those numbers were submitted to the congress.
Will the US Mint release those final mintage to the public officially? If so, do you know when?
I dont know. Over time the publications will call in, get the numbers and update their tables. It will take a few years though as the Red Book really does not care about moderns if their previous behavior is our guide.
revolvdog the last time i got audited numbers from the mint I simply called the PR department and spoke to a nice lady that gave me all the numbers I wanted. Some of those numbers also end up on the mint website with the gold, silver eagles and gold buffalo for example.
The unc Mary Todd Lincoln dropped 1 to finish at 3760. It will be interesting to see which coin does better long-term, the Van Buren UNC or the Mary Todd.
I really don't see how Julia can hang on with so much of the series left to go. There's little demand as there is and if gold shoots over $2k, it's going to put some serious pressure on JT. It still seems like a winner coin though even if it's overthrown.
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If Martha Washington unc had a mintage of only 3760 I wonder what that would sell for today? Most of the unknown spouses under 4000 mintage go for $1100 or higher already which is $2200 an ounce for gold.
This was my response to a P.M. on the subject of my post earlier today asking whether the Julia Unc. will remain the low mintage key...
50/50 I think.
On the one hand, unlike when Julia went off sale, a lot of folks are paying very close attention to the spouse mintages now. As soon as one looks to be going off sale and w/low mintages, folks stock up. This would work in favor of Julia.
On the other, they can go dark early and unexpectedly thus catching everyone off-guard and perhaps creating another key.
I actually don't own any JTs. I was on a break from coin investing/collecting when they came out. Oh well. I almost purchased one on ebay last summer. Got the Buchs instead.
However, it's an interesting coin to watch. I agree, there are lots of folks buying these and speculating, keeping the numbers up.
...But....people's attention span sometimes doesn't last. This is a fairly long series and if nothing trumps JT in the next year folks may become bored with watching the spouses and forget again until the numbers drop out.
There is a good chance gold will continue to climb. 2011's Mint offerings are many. The economy is stalled....there is a solid base for buying expensive mint products but I don't think there are a lot of new folks entering this arena. The 2011 spouses are not attractive, at least to me. All of these factors bode for low spouse numbers.
We'll see. I think the best thing to do is keep a firm eye and watch the series, especially once 2012 rolls around and we are a few years past the JT hype.
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Eric where are you lol Trying to decide if I should scoop up some off Ebay. There does not appear to be allot of interest on this coin at the bay, prices went up modestly but no where near the premiums of some of the hags.
Thanks. Still way undervalued in my opinion. So many good options for money to go. Well I've got it spread across most of them Just need a money tree to spring up in my back yard
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A bit disappointing to those who thought there was a chance they'd come in under VB. Speculators have certainly responded, no shortage of Bucks on the BST and ebay.
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that'd be about a 17% melt rate at 5374 sold.
Looking at the proof AGE scrap rates, it is in line with those numbers.
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<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
It's hard to say. Collecting the series was re-awoken by Eric's book before the Buch's came out. So, those who wanted to collect them probably are in already. We may not see much of a move up. However, this is a guess from only one factor. Perhaps there are other issues not considered: like a continuing draw into the series by the book or the thought of numerical scarcity in the series as a whole.
<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
Now that the series is being noticed (every issue past '07 now has a premium) I do not see how these will be any less than $1k ea. raw, no matter what gold does, in 2 month's time or less.
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,354* -10
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<< <i>With those kind of numbers and closed shouldn't the prices jump now? Or will it take some time for the market to catch on? If so, what kind of lag time are we looking at? >>
Now that the series is being noticed (every issue past '07 now has a premium) I do not see how these will be any less than $1k ea. raw, no matter what gold does, in 2 month's time or less. >>
apparently, except for Mary Todd Lincoln. Who seems to have a plentiful supply.
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,353* (1)
Once again, no change for the proofs, but the unc. dropped by one.
<< <i>Latest Mint stats
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,353* (1)
Once again, no change for the proofs, but the unc. dropped by one. >>
it is interesting how the sales came in about where many of us expected before all this started, right around 13,000, or 400 less than that. The sales also show a somewhat normal spread between unc to proof, should be interesting to see the final audited numbers.
7/8 is that rocking chair being used?
Late last year, you mentioned the final Mint audited numbers for 2009 and some 2010 first spouse, and if I remember correctly, you said those numbers were submitted to the congress.
Will the US Mint release those final mintage to the public officially? If so, do you know when?
<< <i>7/8 is that rocking chair being used? >>
I think he "stuck a fork in it" .. upside down
Very sad indeed.
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Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,353* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,350* (3)
Look for final final numbers on Buch proof to come in around 6,300 or less.
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,348* (2)
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,348* 0
<< <i>Once again....latest Buch stats w/o any changes
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,348* 0 >>
I saw the post on top and I thought maybe final numbers out
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,348* 0
FIRST SPOUSE GOLD COINS
Abigail Fillmore Proof (2010) 6,140* (3)
Abigail Fillmore Uncirculated (2010) 3,489* 0
Jane Pierce Proof (2010) 4,843* 0
Jane Pierce Uncirculated (2010) 3,333* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Proof (2010) 7,304* 0
Buchanan’s Liberty Uncirculated (2010) 5,348* 0
Mary Todd Lincoln Proof (2010) 6,306 70
Mary Todd Lincoln Uncirculated (2010) 3,761* 1
Eliza Johnson Proof (2011) 2,666 221
Eliza Johnson Uncirculated (2011) 1,567 66
50/50 I think.
On the one hand, unlike when Julia went off sale, a lot of folks are paying very close attention to the spouse mintages now. As soon as one looks to be going off sale and w/low mintages, folks stock up. This would work in favor of Julia.
On the other, they can go dark early and unexpectedly thus catching everyone off-guard and perhaps creating another key.
However, it's an interesting coin to watch. I agree, there are lots of folks buying these and speculating, keeping the numbers up.
...But....people's attention span sometimes doesn't last. This is a fairly long series and if nothing trumps JT in the next year folks may become bored with watching the spouses and forget again until the numbers drop out.
There is a good chance gold will continue to climb. 2011's Mint offerings are many. The economy is stalled....there is a solid base for buying expensive mint products but I don't think there are a lot of new folks entering this arena. The 2011 spouses are not attractive, at least to me. All of these factors bode for low spouse numbers.
We'll see. I think the best thing to do is keep a firm eye and watch the series, especially once 2012 rolls around and we are a few years past the JT hype.
Eric
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Does that mean we can FINALLY PUT A "FORK IN IT?"
<< <i>Does that mean we can FINALLY PUT A "FORK IN IT?"
Yes, it looks like all but the Jeffersons are "medium rare".
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