Just finished going over my Bucks's, it was really disappointing . Some had gauges and marks, some had milky spots? is that common for a gold coin? I did not get them out so maybe something on the plastic? Most of them had a little nick or frost break on the DE of presidency. So now the question. My 7days since I received them was yesterday, should I even bother returning the 40 percent of them that completely sucked? I do not mind keeping the ones with the problem on the DE. What do you guys think?
I called the mint and of course they told me that the are really strict about the 7 days, but she suggested that it did not hurt to try and send them back. Just kind of hate to send them back, spend cash, wait and then have them return them to me. For sure at least the one with the gauge is going back.
Lastest mint report 2/13 has the PR buchanan 3 coins lower than last week. That's all she wrote, now we wait for the final #'s but in the meantime she's gonna at least start trading up there with the Jacksons and VB's range very shortly.
<< <i>Just finished going over my Bucks's, it was really disappointing . Some had gauges and marks, some had milky spots? is that common for a gold coin? I did not get them out so maybe something on the plastic? Most of them had a little nick or frost break on the DE of presidency. So now the question. My 7days since I received them was yesterday, should I even bother returning the 40 percent of them that completely sucked? I do not mind keeping the ones with the problem on the DE. What do you guys think?
I called the mint and of course they told me that the are really strict about the 7 days, but she suggested that it did not hurt to try and send them back. Just kind of hate to send them back, spend cash, wait and then have them return them to me. For sure at least the one with the gauge is going back. >>
Robert let me ask you a few questions. Are the coins gold colored? Do they have what looks like an old gold design on the obverse with a child in a print shop on the back? In short are the coins recognizable proofs? If the answer to these questions is yes then keep them all. Its that simple unless you need the money.
Yeah, I agree. Robert, hold those, or sell on the secondary market if you can not afford to hold.
What happens to the returns to the Mint at this point? I assume that the Mint keeps a B/O list going that's slightly longer than the anticipated returns.
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<< <i>Just finished going over my Bucks's, it was really disappointing . Some had gauges and marks, some had milky spots? is that common for a gold coin? I did not get them out so maybe something on the plastic? Most of them had a little nick or frost break on the DE of presidency. So now the question. My 7days since I received them was yesterday, should I even bother returning the 40 percent of them that completely sucked? I do not mind keeping the ones with the problem on the DE. What do you guys think?
I called the mint and of course they told me that the are really strict about the 7 days, but she suggested that it did not hurt to try and send them back. Just kind of hate to send them back, spend cash, wait and then have them return them to me. For sure at least the one with the gauge is going back. >>
Robert let me ask you a few questions. Are the coins gold colored? Do they have what looks like an old gold design on the obverse with a child in a print shop on the back? In short are the coins recognizable proofs? If the answer to these questions is yes then keep them all. Its that simple unless you need the money.
Eric >>
lol You are funny Eric! Thanks for the sound advice and for saving me some money on shipping fees. I will hold on to them!!!
I've been away for awhile and haven't kept up on this one, but just read in the previous page about the 4 coin boxes and thought I'd relay my experence with them. I ordered two boxes for Pfs and two boxes for Unc in 2007; the 2007 coin capsules fit in the 4 coin box but they changed the capsules in 2008 and they do not fit in the boxes. If I remember right, the first coin for 2008 fit but from there after they did not. I went around and around on the phone with the mint trying to explain the problem until they finally got it. After that they quit selling the four coin boxes. Did they come out with new ones that are sized for the current capsules?
Remember, I'm pullen for ya; we're all in this together.---Red Green---
<< <i>I've been away for awhile and haven't kept up on this one, but just read in the previous page about the 4 coin boxes and thought I'd relay my experence with them. I ordered two boxes for Pfs and two boxes for Unc in 2007; the 2007 coin capsules fit in the 4 coin box but they changed the capsules in 2008 and they do not fit in the boxes. If I remember right, the first coin for 2008 fit but from there after they did not. I went around and around on the phone with the mint trying to explain the problem until they finally got it. After that they quit selling the four coin boxes. Did they come out with new ones that are sized for the current capsules? >>
No,the 4 coin boxes were only made and sold for 2007.
The 2008-present have no such boxes.
Now that the 4 coin liberty subset is popular more people are looking for the 2007 boxes.
I'm buying a set of boxes for the entire spouse run and will try to buy enough 2007 capsules to beable to retrofit them should I choose.
Not my auction or anyone I know. I was amazed at the shipping fee tacked on to a high price auction >>
He had the same coins listed for $3100 if I remember correctly two weeks ago and they did not sell, but for some reason he thinks that increasing the price by 13 hundred will help lol
Not my auction or anyone I know. I was amazed at the shipping fee tacked on to a high price auction >>
He had the same coins listed for $3100 if I remember correctly two weeks ago and they did not sell, but for some reason he thinks that increasing the price by 13 hundred will help lol >>
Thanks for the feedback Robert. It is a crazy world out there
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
We should all expect this. We have known they struck to about 3250-3500 coins. The next coin (Fillmore) is the same deal. She will go black in a few hundred coins.
Guys all these first hags are going to go out low and soon with the exception of the unc Bucks and the Lincolns. THEY WERE ALL STRUCK TO ANTICIPATED DEMAND AND THE MINT DID NOT SEE ANY DEMAND.
<< <i>Guys all these first hags are going to go out low and soon with the exception of the unc Bucks and the Lincolns. THEY WERE ALL STRUCK TO ANTICIPATED DEMAND AND THE MINT DID NOT SEE ANY DEMAND. >>
I know what's up with the Unc. Buchs.
What's up with the Lincolns ? ((There is demand for them?))
The proof Buck is part of a different set and is key to the 4 coin liberty proof set. The generic first hags IMHO do not hurt the liberty issues. Wonder coin does not agree but time will judge this.
If this coin does go out at 4700 then Proof Julia and Taylor will get hurt longer term.
<< <i>The proof Buck is part of a different set and is key to the 4 coin liberty proof set. The generic first hags IMHO do not hurt the liberty issues. Wonder coin does not agree but time will judge this.
If this coin does go out at 4700 then Proof Julia and Taylor will get hurt longer term.
The mint would be smart to start doing this with all the spouse coins, only strike enough for 6 months of sales instead of doing it for twelve months and having leftover coins they can't sell. The 2011 coin designs are not much of an improvement so we may see 4 more coins with low mintages like these.
"The generic first hags IMHO do not hurt the liberty issues. Wonder coin does not agree but time will judge this."
Eric: Just to clarify ... I do not recall ever stating that the generics "hurt" the Lib series. I like the Lib series. However, I like the key hags better today than I do any of the proof Libs. Which I why I am still happy to trade some proof Bucks for some proof JT's today (or MS JT's as well of course). Thus far, no one has offered to trade me a JT for a Buck. But, by no means does my desire to trade away some proof Bucks for "generic" hags suggest that I believe generic hags are "hurting" liberty coins (or will hurt them). There is room enough for all of the coins just like there is room in the market to collect classics and moderns my friend.
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<< <i> The 2011 coin designs are not much of an improvement so we may see 4 more coins with low mintages like these. >>
I agree. 2011s are going to be rock bottom.
I'm also not the least bit concerned about the low mintages on the Pierce compared to the Buck as far as "hurting it" goes. If the Pierce looked more like Natalie----then maybe a little worried.
The Pierce will be one of many low mintage hags when the series is over.
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<< <i> The 2011 coin designs are not much of an improvement so we may see 4 more coins with low mintages like these. >>
I agree. 2011s are going to be rock bottom.
The Pierce will be one of many low mintage hags when the series is over. >>
I disagree that 2011 will be rock bottom.....2009 was the perfect storm where you had the hangover effect of all those "flippers" who were going to make $1000s from the first 4 HAGS all issued at once and rising gold prices. Let's face it no one wanted to buy a SPOUSE in 09, not after the crash of 07 SPOUSE prices and continually increasing USM prices. In 2010 and 2011 collectors/investors actually started paying attention again (forget the designs...they are awful)....but the interest in sales numbers and finding that perfectly LOW KEY spouse will keep sales moderately over 2009 levels...
But... high gold prices, market dilution, and unattractive designs (at least to my eye) are all factors concerning first spouse mintages in 2011. You could be right though if enough collectors/investors jump on board.
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<< <i>"The generic first hags IMHO do not hurt the liberty issues. Wonder coin does not agree but time will judge this."
Eric: Just to clarify ... I do not recall ever stating that the generics "hurt" the Lib series. I like the Lib series. However, I like the key hags better today than I do any of the proof Libs. Which I why I am still happy to trade some proof Bucks for some proof JT's today (or MS JT's as well of course). Thus far, no one has offered to trade me a JT for a Buck. But, by no means does my desire to trade away some proof Bucks for "generic" hags suggest that I believe generic hags are "hurting" liberty coins (or will hurt them). There is room enough for all of the coins just like there is room in the market to collect classics and moderns my friend.
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<< <i> However, I like the key hags better today than I do any of the proof Libs >>
I guess someone might be buried in some non-Lib haags.......
It's time to 'fess up. The only good thing going for the spouse series is the Liberty Subset. Period. It's closed in Proof, nearly closed in Unc (Buch Unc.). A pretty set, nice designs, high gold content.
It will be promoted. Lots of people got caught with their pants down on this last Proof Lib (Buch). And lots of people are in acquisition mode. They should be, in my opinion.
Will there be esoteric collectors of some of the low mintage haags? Sure. Will these coins ever attract enough interest outside of a small group of collectors? Probably not.
Hey, I keep hearing about Wonder trading off his Buch Proofs.....I'm sure someone will take them at issue......oh, that's right - you wont sell them at issue...
the only one I'm buried deep in right now is Mary Todd Lincoln(MTL).
It's looking grim out there. They are performing as poorly (maybe a little worse even) as the Buch's did at this same time in the selling cycle. However, the Buch has the Liberty subset going for it. I don't know much of anything going for the MTL other than the last name.
I hope sales pick up soon. It really appears there is a buyer's strike out there right now.
Comments
<< <i>MilesWaits, the two Buck Pfs that you received today, were they on backorder from the USM when you ordered them ? Thanks, Mark. >>
Yes they were Mark, ordered on 1/26, shipped on 2/8, received today.
Miles
I called the mint and of course they told me that the are really strict about the 7 days, but she suggested that it did not hurt to try and send them back. Just kind of hate to send them back, spend cash, wait and then have them return them to me. For sure at least the one with the gauge is going back.
<< <i>Just finished going over my Bucks's, it was really disappointing . Some had gauges and marks, some had milky spots? is that common for a gold coin? I did not get them out so maybe something on the plastic? Most of them had a little nick or frost break on the DE of presidency. So now the question. My 7days since I received them was yesterday, should I even bother returning the 40 percent of them that completely sucked? I do not mind keeping the ones with the problem on the DE. What do you guys think?
I called the mint and of course they told me that the are really strict about the 7 days, but she suggested that it did not hurt to try and send them back. Just kind of hate to send them back, spend cash, wait and then have them return them to me. For sure at least the one with the gauge is going back. >>
Robert let me ask you a few questions. Are the coins gold colored? Do they have what looks like an old gold design on the obverse with a child in a print shop on the back? In short are the coins recognizable proofs? If the answer to these questions is yes then keep them all. Its that simple unless you need the money.
Eric
What happens to the returns to the Mint at this point? I assume that the Mint keeps a B/O list going that's slightly longer than the anticipated returns.
<< <i>
<< <i>Just finished going over my Bucks's, it was really disappointing . Some had gauges and marks, some had milky spots? is that common for a gold coin? I did not get them out so maybe something on the plastic? Most of them had a little nick or frost break on the DE of presidency. So now the question. My 7days since I received them was yesterday, should I even bother returning the 40 percent of them that completely sucked? I do not mind keeping the ones with the problem on the DE. What do you guys think?
I called the mint and of course they told me that the are really strict about the 7 days, but she suggested that it did not hurt to try and send them back. Just kind of hate to send them back, spend cash, wait and then have them return them to me. For sure at least the one with the gauge is going back. >>
Robert let me ask you a few questions. Are the coins gold colored? Do they have what looks like an old gold design on the obverse with a child in a print shop on the back? In short are the coins recognizable proofs? If the answer to these questions is yes then keep them all. Its that simple unless you need the money.
Eric >>
lol You are funny Eric! Thanks for the sound advice and for saving me some money on shipping fees. I will hold on to them!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>MilesWaits, the two Buck Pfs that you received today, were they on backorder from the USM when you ordered them ? Thanks, Mark. >>
Yes they were Mark, ordered on 1/26, shipped on 2/8, received today.
Miles >>
I thought the Bucks didn't go on back order until 2/3?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310290192368&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Not my auction or anyone I know. I was amazed at the shipping fee tacked on to a high price auction
Box of 20
<< <i>I've been away for awhile and haven't kept up on this one, but just read in the previous page about the 4 coin boxes and thought I'd relay my experence with them. I ordered two boxes for Pfs and two boxes for Unc in 2007; the 2007 coin capsules fit in the 4 coin box but they changed the capsules in 2008 and they do not fit in the boxes. If I remember right, the first coin for 2008 fit but from there after they did not. I went around and around on the phone with the mint trying to explain the problem until they finally got it. After that they quit selling the four coin boxes. Did they come out with new ones that are sized for the current capsules? >>
No,the 4 coin boxes were only made and sold for 2007.
The 2008-present have no such boxes.
Now that the 4 coin liberty subset is popular more people are looking for the 2007 boxes.
I'm buying a set of boxes for the entire spouse run and will try to buy enough 2007 capsules to beable to retrofit them should I choose.
perhaps they didn't sell well.
they are hard to find now, and that is even after the 4 coin subset fury going on right now.
Not a fan of that avatar.
<< <i>I can't answer that question but have another. 4 pr69 dcam fs for $4399 + 25.99 shipping on the bay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310290192368&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Not my auction or anyone I know. I was amazed at the shipping fee tacked on to a high price auction >>
He had the same coins listed for $3100 if I remember correctly two weeks ago and they did not sell, but for some reason he thinks that increasing the price by 13 hundred will help lol
<< <i>MsM
Not a fan of that avatar. >>
I agree, You have had much better images of MsM over the years.
Eric
<< <i>
<< <i>MsM
Not a fan of that avatar. >>
I agree, You have had much better images of MsM over the years.
Eric >>
Yeah, not to pile on but that's one scary looking woman!
<< <i>MsM
Not a fan of that avatar. >>
Shows to go you what happens when you "bald up" Cameron! Hair do make many women.
I miss Natalie.
Miles
<< <i>
<< <i>I can't answer that question but have another. 4 pr69 dcam fs for $4399 + 25.99 shipping on the bay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310290192368&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Not my auction or anyone I know. I was amazed at the shipping fee tacked on to a high price auction >>
He had the same coins listed for $3100 if I remember correctly two weeks ago and they did not sell, but for some reason he thinks that increasing the price by 13 hundred will help lol >>
Thanks for the feedback Robert. It is a crazy world out there
<< <i>MsM
Not a fan of that avatar. >>
I'm not either,
I hate to say, but
it makes me think of the coneheads.
Sorry Cameron!
<< <i>I can't answer that question but have another. 4 pr69 dcam fs for $4399 + 25.99 shipping on the bay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310290192368&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Not my auction or anyone I know. I was amazed at the shipping fee tacked on to a high price auction >>
I am not defending the seller, but what shipping do you think is reasonable to insure and ship 2 oz of gold??
<< <i>
<< <i>I can't answer that question but have another. 4 pr69 dcam fs for $4399 + 25.99 shipping on the bay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310290192368&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Not my auction or anyone I know. I was amazed at the shipping fee tacked on to a high price auction >>
I am not defending the seller, but what shipping do you think is reasonable to insure and ship 2 oz of gold?? >>
I think the point is: for ~$1100/ea 1/2oz of gold, one would think they'd offer free shipping.
I think the point is: for ~$1100/ea 1/2oz of gold, one would think they'd offer free shipping.
Exactly my point. I just didn't make a clear statement regarding that. Thanks MsM
<< <i>The Taylor coin ended at 4787 sales so it is about a tie with that. >>
Right but that number does not include 11 days and another 150+ coins that does not show up on that report.
<< <i>Guys all these first hags are going to go out low and soon with the exception of the unc Bucks and the Lincolns. THEY WERE ALL STRUCK TO ANTICIPATED DEMAND AND THE MINT DID NOT SEE ANY DEMAND. >>
I know what's up with the Unc. Buchs.
What's up with the Lincolns ?
((There is demand for them?))
If this coin does go out at 4700 then Proof Julia and Taylor will get hurt longer term.
Eric
<< <i>The proof Buck is part of a different set and is key to the 4 coin liberty proof set. The generic first hags IMHO do not hurt the liberty issues. Wonder coin does not agree but time will judge this.
If this coin does go out at 4700 then Proof Julia and Taylor will get hurt longer term.
Eric >>
I'm with Eric with respect to the Buchanan.
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Will similar happen to the Mary Todd Lincoln?
Eric: Just to clarify ... I do not recall ever stating that the generics "hurt" the Lib series. I like the Lib series. However, I like the key hags better today than I do any of the proof Libs. Which I why I am still happy to trade some proof Bucks for some proof JT's today (or MS JT's as well of course). Thus far, no one has offered to trade me a JT for a Buck. But, by no means does my desire to trade away some proof Bucks for "generic" hags suggest that I believe generic hags are "hurting" liberty coins (or will hurt them). There is room enough for all of the coins just like there is room in the market to collect classics and moderns my friend.
Wondercoin
<< <i> The 2011 coin designs are not much of an improvement so we may see 4 more coins with low mintages like these. >>
I agree. 2011s are going to be rock bottom.
I'm also not the least bit concerned about the low mintages on the Pierce compared to the Buck as far as "hurting it" goes. If the Pierce looked more like Natalie----then maybe a little worried.
The Pierce will be one of many low mintage hags when the series is over.
<< <i>
<< <i> The 2011 coin designs are not much of an improvement so we may see 4 more coins with low mintages like these. >>
I agree. 2011s are going to be rock bottom.
The Pierce will be one of many low mintage hags when the series is over. >>
I disagree that 2011 will be rock bottom.....2009 was the perfect storm where you had the hangover effect of all those "flippers" who were going to make $1000s from the first 4 HAGS all issued at once and rising gold prices. Let's face it no one wanted to buy a SPOUSE in 09, not after the crash of 07 SPOUSE prices and continually increasing USM prices. In 2010 and 2011 collectors/investors actually started paying attention again (forget the designs...they are awful)....but the interest in sales numbers and finding that perfectly LOW KEY spouse will keep sales moderately over 2009 levels...
JMHO
But... high gold prices, market dilution, and unattractive designs (at least to my eye) are all factors concerning first spouse mintages in 2011. You could be right though if enough collectors/investors jump on board.
<< <i>"The generic first hags IMHO do not hurt the liberty issues. Wonder coin does not agree but time will judge this."
Eric: Just to clarify ... I do not recall ever stating that the generics "hurt" the Lib series. I like the Lib series. However, I like the key hags better today than I do any of the proof Libs. Which I why I am still happy to trade some proof Bucks for some proof JT's today (or MS JT's as well of course). Thus far, no one has offered to trade me a JT for a Buck. But, by no means does my desire to trade away some proof Bucks for "generic" hags suggest that I believe generic hags are "hurting" liberty coins (or will hurt them). There is room enough for all of the coins just like there is room in the market to collect classics and moderns my friend.
Wondercoin >>
Fair enough.
<< <i> However, I like the key hags better today than I do any of the proof Libs >>
I guess someone might be buried in some non-Lib haags.......
It's time to 'fess up. The only good thing going for the spouse series is the Liberty Subset. Period. It's closed in Proof, nearly closed in Unc (Buch Unc.). A pretty set, nice designs, high gold content.
It will be promoted. Lots of people got caught with their pants down on this last Proof Lib (Buch). And lots of people are in acquisition mode. They should be, in my opinion.
Will there be esoteric collectors of some of the low mintage haags? Sure. Will these coins ever attract enough interest outside of a small group of collectors? Probably not.
Hey, I keep hearing about Wonder trading off his Buch Proofs.....I'm sure someone will take them at issue......oh, that's right - you wont sell them at issue...
It's looking grim out there. They are performing as poorly (maybe a little worse even) as the Buch's did at this same time in the selling cycle. However, the Buch has the Liberty subset going for it. I don't know much of anything going for the MTL other than the last name.
I hope sales pick up soon. It really appears there is a buyer's strike out there right now.
There's no buyer's strike, everyone is saving up for the (sure to be wildly popular) Lucretia Garfield coin!
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