<< <i> My, oh my. Aren't we just a little testy that our team continues to outspend and underperform. That's ok. You have a nice, cozy shed to live in now. Enjoy it. Lots of wood to keep you warm during those long winter nights. You can drink hot cocoa and think of the 1920's and 30's. It will help you with your frustration and anxiety and will help you to feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Now, back to our original thread, "THE OFFICIAL 2008 RED SOX Championship run thread". Last time I checked the standings, the clowns from New York were still behind our revered Red Sox. But that's ok. Let's open a bottle of scotch and think about the 1952 Yankees. You know, Yogi Bear, Phil "Let's cry about not being in the Hall" Rizzuto, and the rest of those guys who we never saw play. >>
hmmmm, I could also think about those years such as 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000. You know, back in the day when Robert E. Lee was still a threat.
And the LAST part of your idiotic comments. This coming from a clown who sports Ted Williams as his icon Gee GRASSHOPPER, did ya ever see him play
<< <i> My, oh my. Aren't we just a little testy that our team continues to outspend and underperform. That's ok. You have a nice, cozy shed to live in now. Enjoy it. Lots of wood to keep you warm during those long winter nights. You can drink hot cocoa and think of the 1920's and 30's. It will help you with your frustration and anxiety and will help you to feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Now, back to our original thread, "THE OFFICIAL 2008 RED SOX Championship run thread". Last time I checked the standings, the clowns from New York were still behind our revered Red Sox. But that's ok. Let's open a bottle of scotch and think about the 1952 Yankees. You know, Yogi Bear, Phil "Let's cry about not being in the Hall" Rizzuto, and the rest of those guys who we never saw play. >>
hmmmm, I could also think about those years such as 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000. You know, back in the day when Robert E. Lee was still a threat.
And the LAST part of your idiotic comments. This coming from a clown who sports Ted Williams as his icon Gee GRASSHOPPER, did ya ever see him play
Dude, you are to easy man >>
Your comments are so pathetic. I almost feel sorry for you, then I realize you're a Yankee fan! You can blab on and on about the Yankees 26 championships - can't deny that. However you must live with these 2 things: 1. The 2004 Red Sox pulled off the greatest comeback in BASEBALL HISTORY - bar none. I forgot who that was against? Oh yeah, the Yankees! Choke - The official soft drink of the Yankees! 2. The Boston Red Sox are the Defending World Series Champions. Until someone knocks them off the throne they are the champs and your team isn't.
Now I know you're going to blast me and call me all sorts of names, so fire away. It's what you do.
And I thought the thread/s would be quiet today with the day off! Silly Me!
I gotta say I think this year the SMACK talk is present much more than years past- I love it!
Oh boy this year will be so fullfilling if we can shut the Yankee "elitists" down yet again for the AL east crown! What matters most is whats happening right here right now! Past Championship talk should be reserved for off season banter!
Come on fellas ..... I actually like the large majority of you Sox rodents. Sir edmund is NOT getting away with his lame attempt at a fireside radio chat circa many many years ago when the sap sports a friggen Ted Williams ICON for crying out loud
I mean, can you be THAT un prepared on the attack?
Bottom ... you are absolutley right that the Sox are the current champs. I have never and will never try and spin words to take that away. You should be still enjoying that to a degree
<< <i>And I thought the thread/s would be quiet today with the day off! Silly Me!
I gotta say I think this year the SMACK talk is present much more than years past- I love it!
Oh boy this year will be so fullfilling if we can shut the Yankee "elitists" down yet again for the AL east crown! What matters most is whats happening right here right now! Past Championship talk should be reserved for off season banter! >>
I think everyone is getting prepped for the big series! I have a buddy who's going to Saturday's game. It's his 3rd this year in Fenway - We went to two in May. I hope he see's yet another victory.
<< <i> What matters most is whats happening right here right now! Past Championship talk should be reserved for off season banter! >>
I am all for THAT Paul! But all you have to do is a little back reading to notice that I CERTAINLY don't start wielding my sack of 26 World Championships unless some wayward and cluless SOX fan is feeling his 15 year old oats going on about how loooooong ago it has been since the Yankees won it all
hmmmm, I could also think about those years such as 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000.
; >>
It all depends what lenses you look at life through. I choose to look at the Yankees as the team that had the GREATEST CHOKE JOB IN MAJOR LEAGUE HISTORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's right, Jeter, Rivera, Posada, and Mr. Choketober will go down in the record books as the team that pulled the GREATEST CHOKE JOB EVER in playoff history. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's the ONLY WAY I'LL EVER THINK OF THE YANKEES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This club has the BIGGEST BUNCH OF CHOKERS I'VE EVER SEEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How does it feel to have 250 million dollars invested in Mr. Can't Get it Done in the Playoffs ?
Oh yeah, BTW softy, I'm looking for a few Yankee cards to add to my collection. Perhaps you have some. Here's what I need.......
1. Jason Giambi...Pre-Game used needle card 2. Andy Pettite & Roger Clemens...Dual injection card 3. Alex Rodriguez.....Viagra Unable to perform when it counts card 4. Mariano Rivera.....Biggest Blown Saves in MLB History Card 2004 5. Phil Hughes.....I thought I was good card 6. Mike Mussina...I wish I had a Josh Beckett ring card 7. Bobby Abreu....Watch out for that wall card 8. Ian Kennedy & Phil Hughes....Yankees biggest busts card 9. Hank Steinbrenner.....Wish I had not listened to Brian Cashman concerning Santana card 10. 2004 Yankee Team Card with 24 signatures
lol gotta admit, made me laugh out loud at work...hehe.
"1. Jason Giambi...Pre-Game used needle card 2. Andy Pettite & Roger Clemens...Dual injection card 3. Alex Rodriguez.....Viagra Unable to perform when it counts card 4. Mariano Rivera.....Biggest Blown Saves in MLB History Card 2004 5. Phil Hughes.....I thought I was good card 6. Mike Mussina...I wish I had a Josh Beckett ring card 7. Bobby Abreu....Watch out for that wall card 8. Ian Kennedy & Phil Hughes....Yankees biggest busts card 9. Hank Steinbrenner.....Wish I had not listened to Brian Cashman concerning Santana card 10. 2004 Yankee Team Card with 24 signatures '
Interesting lineup for tonight . . . not really what I expected.
Here's the lineup Francona posted earlier today:
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B 2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B 3. David Ortiz, DH 4. Manny Ramirez, LF 5. Mike Lowell, 3B 6. J.D. Drew, RF 7. Jed Lowrie, SS 8. Jason Varitek, C 9. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
And here's the new lineup:
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, LF 2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B 3. David Ortiz, DH 4. Kevin Youkilis, 1B 5. Mike Lowell, 3B 6. J.D. Drew, RF 7. Jed Lowrie, SS 8. Jason Varitek, C 9. Coco Crisp, CF
Obviously, no Manny tonight . . . sore knee like he says or a statement? The other interesting choice, IMO, is Youkilis at cleanup. I don't disagree with the choice, I'm just a little surprised is all.
Actually Im freakin' STEAMING at Manny right now! I dont know what kind of BS statement he might be making but screw him if he is doing just that- pulling this crap in time for this series, gimme a break not playing. If he is TRULY hurting then I apoligize but Im not sure if I buy it. Im not kidding either-
On another not why the heck is Drew being moved out of the 3 spot? Papi returning for his first game and batting 3rd? Im not happy right now- I will not post again until after the game. Again, Im seriously angry right now- the Manny thing has me ripping!
STILL- Lets score some FREAKIN' RUNS AND KICK IT WHERE IT COUNTS!!!!!!!!! LETS GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>What's the over/under on how many times Jabba The Hut will show us his super-cool fist pump during the game Friday?
I say 5. >>
I don't think that Joba has done that once since he became a starter. Anyway that's nothing compared to the way Manny shows up pitchers. Oh well, we don't have to worry about that tonight
I too am over Manny. He's not available for this big series? Give me a break. I expect the Sox can find somewhere else to spend their 20 million the next 2 years. With that being said...GO SOX!
If Manny's not really hurt, I don't think this is a good way to endear himself to ownership or to make a point about his value to the team. Not when guys like Mark Teixeira are going to be on the market in a few months. $20 million a year goes a long ways, even in today's era of 200 million dollar payrolls.
I'd really like to see Beckett live up to being the ace of the club. This feels like his biggest start of the season so far (at least to me). But maybe that's just because the rivalry is heating up again.
edmund, would you please EXPLAIN why you have the ancient Ted Williams as your icon when you lambast Yankee fans for daring to remember anything more then five years ago? Either change your icon which makes you a fraud given Yankee fans can't remember our older players in your warped mind or STFU.
Guys, You could smell the Manny scratch from miles away .....
Sox fans, HOW BAD was the Gagne trade? The Sox players given up in that deal are playing really well. Any thoughts?
Okay, at this point, going into the 9th, I'd be happy with scoring just one freakin' run. Just one. Let's go Papi, remind us what a clutch hitter looks like!!!!
<< <i>What a bunch of bull. The home plate umpire was awful. >>
He gave nothing to Joba for about 5 innings. Like TheVon said, he sucked for both teams. >>
You're right. I'm just pissed, in particular, about the Lowell "strike".
But other than Joba throwing at Youk's head again (I really don't understand that), the game was a pitching gem by both starters. Joba was pretty unhittable all night - while Beckett spaced out the hits he gave up so only that wimpy-ass hit by Giambi cost him.
That's how I saw it. It's still hilarious that the Yankees have won 7 in a row and are STILL behind Tampa Bay and Boston. That is too funny. The quality is in Tampa and Boston. The chokers reside in New York.
That's how I saw it. It's still hilarious that the Yankees have won 7 in a row and are STILL behind Tampa Bay and Boston. That is too funny. The quality is in Tampa and Boston. The chokers reside in New York.
Sincerely, 2004/2008 S.S.D.Y >>
Oh you're referring to that team who's one back in the loss column to the Red Sox
Win or lose THAT was a classic Yankees / Sox game. Hunker down fellas, the fun is just beginning
A few thoughts of mine after tonight:
1. Beckett is a HORSE. He obviously did not have his great stuff and still bush wacked the Yanks 2. This particular pitch I think did get away from Joba ... maybe not the past three 2. Joba can't hit Youkasissy enough in my mind (after the years and years Jeter, Posada, etc got plunked by the Sox, Jeter having to go to the hospital, etc) 3. Joba DOES need to go below the belt though 4. Mariano Rivera is a FREAK of nature. 13 years on top as a stopper whether his few years as setup or the rest as a closer 5. Don't expect much out of Papi after watching him pull his arm off the bat too early on almost every swing. He is NOT right 6. Where oh where is Manny and his "sore" knee 7. The Yanks can expect retaliation ..... no problem there 8. The Sox have a fine looking young shortstop. Has Julio Lugo ever read about Wally Pipp?
<< <i>What a bunch of bull. The home plate umpire was awful. >>
He gave nothing to Joba for about 5 innings. Like TheVon said, he sucked for both teams. >>
You're right. I'm just pissed, in particular, about the Lowell "strike".
But other than Joba throwing at Youk's head again (I really don't understand that), the game was a pitching gem by both starters. Joba was pretty unhittable all night - while Beckett spaced out the hits he gave up so only that wimpy-ass hit by Giambi cost him. >>
Jerry,
Listen and listen well ....
1. The "Lowell strike" was damn close. You are taught from TEE BALL that you DO NOT take a CLOSE third strike. I watched the replay a dozen times. THAT PITCH WAS CLOSE. It could have gone either way. To complain about it is senseless ..... THAT is baseball
2. The "whimpy-ass" hit by Giambi are the kind that lose World Series. Ask Mariano Rivera about "whimpy-ass" hits in game sevens of World Series. YOU as a veteran baseball fan should know better.
Dan, are you sure we are talking about the same pitch?
Marty Foster was horrible all night behind the plate - and that Lowell pitch was at least a foot and a half off the plate. Believe me, it was a bad call. Mike Lowell is a class guy, and I have never seen him get upset like that after a call. Then, with the strike zone seemingly expanded, Rivera was able to freeze Drew - poor guy never had a chance.
Want proof? Here is a PitchFX breakdown of just the 9th inning:
(Check out that website if you want some background on how it was compiled - good stuff).
Almost forgot Dan - I agree with most of your other points completely. That's a tough position for a young pitcher to be in (big Sox-Yankee game in Fenway) and Joba rose to the occasion for the Yankees.
We need some freaking offense. Even against the lowly Mariners, we were hardly knocking the cover off the ball. Pitching won those games, and could have won tonight - if we scored just 2 damn runs.
The pitch was "close" That does NOT mean it was a strike ..... you don't get my point .... a very rudimentary point. With TWO strikes you protect the plate. The Lowell pitch was CLOSE. It very easily could have been a BALL. Computer generated charts DO NOT call balls and strikes. Ever since the early 1850's human umpires call balls and strikes.
Do not lose sight of the fact that Josh and Joba were getting squeezed ALL NIGHT. To single out one pitch in a night of a "LAX" strike zone is nothing more then sour grapes. I certainly don't blame you .... but .... I learned A LONG TIME AGO that these types of things are part of the game and in the long run even themselves out.
I will NEVER and HAVE never blamed any loss on a umpires STRIKE & BALL count. I take ALOT of pride in that
I don't think the Lowell pitch was close--it certainly wasn't CLOSE. The home plate umpire had a terrible night and that was just one more terrible call. To prove I'm not just complaining because we lost, I'd like to point out one pitch against Drew where Molina set up outside and the pitch sailed right down the pipe and the ump still called it a ball simply because Molina had to stretch back across the plate to catch the pitch. Sure, he didn't hit his spot, but it was as much in the strike zone as balls placed on a tee are.
Also, I wouldn't expect retaliation tomorrow . . . at least not from our starter. I don't think a 62 MPH knuckleball is going to send a very strong message. Besides that, if Delcarmen is injured, the Sox can't risk having a reliever tossed out of the game if they had designs on waiting for Wake to leave the game to hit someone (A-Rod?).
<< <i> To prove I'm not just complaining because we lost, I'd like to point out one pitch against Drew where Molina set up outside and the pitch sailed right down the pipe and the ump still called it a ball simply because Molina had to stretch back across the plate to catch the pitch. Sure, he didn't hit his spot, but it was as much in the strike zone as balls placed on a tee are. (A-Rod?). >>
That does not prove anything. All that shows is you remember another pitch that went against the Sox. I shook my head more then a few times during last nights game. I shake my head at least once every game I watch.
Hey, I'm sorry, BALLS and STRIKE calls that are talked about after the fact are nothing more then sour grapes. I challenge anybody to go through my six thousand plus posts and find anything I have ever whined about that boiled down to balls and strikes. You won't find a damn thing. I am proud of that. Those kind of calles are part of the game. More then anything else, I would have blamed somebody who did not come through with a big hit when needed.
You are REALLY grasping at straws when the finger of blame starts pointing to the man in blue behind the plate. All you are doing is overlooking what is probably many chances your team had to HIT their way out of a situation.
No clutch hitting again when we needed it so badly with RISP. The homeplate ump was pathetic for both sides. Chamberlain and Beckett pitched a nice game. When I saw Mariano come in, all I could think of was Don Meredith with "turn out the lights..." I just don't get how pathetic Varitek has become at the plate. Ortiz didn't look so good, and Drew looked about as bad.
Anybody know why there's a Chamberlain-Youk thing going? So Joba smokes two over his head a couple of years ago...why? Seems to me they could spend a few minutes to sit down and work it out instead of just letting it fester and go on and on.
I have to agree with Remy's comment about not putting on the shift with RISP. The "hit" was almost a direct shot at where the SS would be playing. Tough way to lose a game with such a lack of offense. Credit the Yankees, they were the better team last night.
Just curious...does anyone else here have the Extra Inning package with Directv?? I am once again screwed today by them not showing yet another Red Sox Saturday game. I can see most of the other games, which mean nada to me, but for the life of me, I can't understand why so mnay (perhaps 6 now) Red Sox games have not shown on Saturdays. I live in Atlanta, so it's not like a blackout or anything, but with the magnitude of the current series, you'd think for sure they'd have the game on, not so for me. Once again, I either sit in my car and listen to XM, or mute the music and watch the little icons move around the tv as they show the progress of the game. What a crock!!
Well, enjoy the game this PM, I'll be trying to squeeze out some game info along the way.
BTW, as I said some time ago, time for Manny to pack up his gear and move on. He may not have made the difference last night, but his not being in the lineup was like an early Christmas gift for Girardi. So, Manny doesn't play last Wednesday, off Thursday...why the hell does he wait till the last minute to complain about a knee? I think Ellsbury has his name on the left field position. Manny being Manny has become OLD news. I say trade his sorry ass. He's more than selfish IMO. Like Perkie said, apologies if he has serious knee problems, but don't other players play hurt in big games?? He ain't worth $20m.
The game isn't on Extra Innings because its on Fox. Extra Innings doesn't get the games on Saturday afternoon or Sunday night, but they are on either Fox or ESPN. You have to be able to get those channels on Directv, right?
I'm not blaming the loss on the awful home plate umpire. But in a 1-0 game, with both pitchers giving up basically nothing, it sucks to have the umpire playing such a large role in the outcome. If the 9th inning was called correctly, who knows what might have happened.
I agree about Tek. Jeez, Francona sure sticks by him no matter what. What he should have done in that 8th inning was pinch hit Casey for him. Casey has much better numbers in that case. But Francona wants Tek to snap out of it. This could be a problem down the stretch, IMO.
Boy, the papers are filled with Manny hate this morning. He better get his ass out there this afternoon.
I wasn't trying to blame the loss on the home plate umpire either, just stating that he was really, really bad all night and he was bad for both sides. If we can't talk about balls and strikes after the fact, when can we talk about them? Unfortunately, we can't all watch the games together and we like to talk about our reaction to the game on these boards. Commenting on how bad the umpire was might sound like sour grapes to you, but that is just because you are always looking ways that Sox fans are inferior to you and your Bronx cohorts.
<< <i> Commenting on how bad the umpire was might sound like sour grapes to you, but that is just because you are always looking ways that Sox fans are inferior to you and your Bronx cohorts. >>
No, I really don't ever whine about balls and strikes after the fact. Some time back in high school ball is when I learned to never look back at a upms strike zone. That is just me though I guess. ..... I usually whine about things the Yanks CAN control such as not coming up big with a hit in crucial situations
<< <i>The game isn't on Extra Innings because its on Fox. Extra Innings doesn't get the games on Saturday afternoon or Sunday night, but they are on either Fox or ESPN. You have to be able to get those channels on Directv, right? >>
They're showing the Braves and Phillies here...I'd rather watch grass grow! How the hell can I get screwed out of at least 5 Saturday Red Sox games? I have been able to get the Red Sox on NESN even when Fox and ESPN had coverage. This Saturday thing just irks the S**T out of me...however, now that I see the score (7-2 Yanks), perhaps it was better that I completed my outside project today. Paying for the extra innings package should enable me to watch whatever, especially with the HD option.
BTW, sent you a PM some time ago, did you get it?
I am beyond done with Manny. How many players have played with a hurt friggin knee? Did it just happen? Why didn't he tell Francona while in Seattle? Manny is about Manny, he may hurt us in the future, but I say put his ass in the street and use the $20m more wisely...AND take Timlin and Hansen aka uber choker with him.
The Red Sox lack of clutch hitting is gonna see them fall further and further into the bottom. I just don't understand how they can continue to support Varitek. Nice guy for sure, but geez, has he choked HUGE in critical situations or what?
Gotta credit the Yankees, they've got it going now.
<<Gotta credit the Yankees, they've got it going now>>
Sure do. Credit a resurgent pitching staff. Mussina was supposed to be washed up but look at him now. Credit Girardi too getting a lot more out of his pitching staff, especially Farnsworth.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
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<< <i> My, oh my.
Aren't we just a little testy that our team continues to outspend and underperform.
That's ok. You have a nice, cozy shed to live in now. Enjoy it. Lots of wood to keep you warm
during those long winter nights. You can drink hot cocoa and think of the 1920's and 30's.
It will help you with your frustration and anxiety and will help you to feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Now, back to our original thread, "THE OFFICIAL 2008 RED SOX Championship run thread".
Last time I checked the standings, the clowns from New York were still behind our revered Red Sox.
But that's ok. Let's open a bottle of scotch and think about the 1952 Yankees. You know, Yogi Bear, Phil "Let's cry
about not being in the Hall" Rizzuto, and the rest of those guys who we never saw play. >>
hmmmm, I could also think about those years such as 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000. You know, back in the day when Robert E. Lee was still a threat.
And the LAST part of your idiotic comments. This coming from a clown who sports Ted Williams as his icon
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>
<< <i> My, oh my.
Aren't we just a little testy that our team continues to outspend and underperform.
That's ok. You have a nice, cozy shed to live in now. Enjoy it. Lots of wood to keep you warm
during those long winter nights. You can drink hot cocoa and think of the 1920's and 30's.
It will help you with your frustration and anxiety and will help you to feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Now, back to our original thread, "THE OFFICIAL 2008 RED SOX Championship run thread".
Last time I checked the standings, the clowns from New York were still behind our revered Red Sox.
But that's ok. Let's open a bottle of scotch and think about the 1952 Yankees. You know, Yogi Bear, Phil "Let's cry
about not being in the Hall" Rizzuto, and the rest of those guys who we never saw play. >>
hmmmm, I could also think about those years such as 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000. You know, back in the day when Robert E. Lee was still a threat.
And the LAST part of your idiotic comments. This coming from a clown who sports Ted Williams as his icon
Your comments are so pathetic. I almost feel sorry for you, then I realize you're a Yankee fan!
You can blab on and on about the Yankees 26 championships - can't deny that.
However you must live with these 2 things:
1. The 2004 Red Sox pulled off the greatest comeback in BASEBALL HISTORY - bar none. I forgot who that was against? Oh yeah, the Yankees! Choke - The official soft drink of the Yankees!
2. The Boston Red Sox are the Defending World Series Champions. Until someone knocks them off the throne they are the champs and your team isn't.
Now I know you're going to blast me and call me all sorts of names, so fire away. It's what you do.
he aint too bad at it either!
I gotta say I think this year the SMACK talk is present much more than years past- I love it!
Oh boy this year will be so fullfilling if we can shut the Yankee "elitists"
I mean, can you be THAT un prepared on the attack?
Bottom ... you are absolutley right that the Sox are the current champs. I have never and will never try and spin words to take that away. You should be still enjoying that to a degree
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<< <i>And I thought the thread/s would be quiet today with the day off! Silly Me!
I gotta say I think this year the SMACK talk is present much more than years past- I love it!
Oh boy this year will be so fullfilling if we can shut the Yankee "elitists"
I think everyone is getting prepped for the big series! I have a buddy who's going to Saturday's game. It's his 3rd this year in Fenway - We went to two in May. I hope he see's yet another victory.
<< <i> What matters most is whats happening right here right now! Past Championship talk should be reserved for off season banter! >>
I am all for THAT Paul! But all you have to do is a little back reading to notice that I CERTAINLY don't start wielding my sack of 26 World Championships unless some wayward and cluless SOX fan is feeling his 15 year old oats going on about how loooooong ago it has been since the Yankees won it all
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<< <i>Cant wait to see the second coming of Ruth, in appearance ONLY, tomorrow night in Joba >>
ehhh, maybe he will take another pot shot at Youkasissy
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I say 5.
And five sounds good to me, if we get that many the Yanks will have won
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<< <i>
hmmmm, I could also think about those years such as 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000.
; >>
It all depends what lenses you look at life through. I choose to look at the Yankees as the team that had the GREATEST CHOKE JOB
IN MAJOR LEAGUE HISTORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's right, Jeter, Rivera, Posada, and Mr. Choketober will go down in the record books as the team that pulled the
GREATEST CHOKE JOB EVER in playoff history. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's the ONLY WAY I'LL EVER THINK OF THE YANKEES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This club has the BIGGEST BUNCH OF CHOKERS I'VE EVER SEEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How does it feel to have 250 million dollars invested in Mr. Can't Get it Done in the Playoffs ?
Sincerely,
The Yankees are Chokers
1. Jason Giambi...Pre-Game used needle card
2. Andy Pettite & Roger Clemens...Dual injection card
3. Alex Rodriguez.....Viagra Unable to perform when it counts card
4. Mariano Rivera.....Biggest Blown Saves in MLB History Card 2004
5. Phil Hughes.....I thought I was good card
6. Mike Mussina...I wish I had a Josh Beckett ring card
7. Bobby Abreu....Watch out for that wall card
8. Ian Kennedy & Phil Hughes....Yankees biggest busts card
9. Hank Steinbrenner.....Wish I had not listened to Brian Cashman concerning Santana card
10. 2004 Yankee Team Card with 24 signatures
lol gotta admit, made me laugh out loud at work...hehe.
"1. Jason Giambi...Pre-Game used needle card
2. Andy Pettite & Roger Clemens...Dual injection card
3. Alex Rodriguez.....Viagra Unable to perform when it counts card
4. Mariano Rivera.....Biggest Blown Saves in MLB History Card 2004
5. Phil Hughes.....I thought I was good card
6. Mike Mussina...I wish I had a Josh Beckett ring card
7. Bobby Abreu....Watch out for that wall card
8. Ian Kennedy & Phil Hughes....Yankees biggest busts card
9. Hank Steinbrenner.....Wish I had not listened to Brian Cashman concerning Santana card
10. 2004 Yankee Team Card with 24 signatures '
It Could Be a Dark Night for New York
(Pic courtesy of BDD)
Here's the lineup Francona posted earlier today:
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jed Lowrie, SS
8. Jason Varitek, C
9. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
And here's the new lineup:
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, LF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jed Lowrie, SS
8. Jason Varitek, C
9. Coco Crisp, CF
Obviously, no Manny tonight . . . sore knee like he says or a statement? The other interesting choice, IMO, is Youkilis at cleanup. I don't disagree with the choice, I'm just a little surprised is all.
On another not why the heck is Drew being moved out of the 3 spot? Papi returning for his first game and batting 3rd? Im not happy right now- I will not post again until after the game. Again, Im seriously angry right now- the Manny thing has me ripping!
STILL- Lets score some FREAKIN' RUNS AND KICK IT WHERE IT COUNTS!!!!!!!!! LETS GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>What's the over/under on how many times Jabba The Hut will show us his super-cool fist pump during the game Friday?
I say 5. >>
I don't think that Joba has done that once since he became a starter. Anyway that's nothing compared to the way Manny shows up pitchers. Oh well, we don't have to worry about that tonight
I expect the Sox can find somewhere else to spend their 20 million the next 2 years.
With that being said...GO SOX!
I'd really like to see Beckett live up to being the ace of the club. This feels like his biggest start of the season so far (at least to me). But maybe that's just because the rivalry is heating up again.
Guys, You could smell the Manny scratch from miles away .....
Sox fans, HOW BAD was the Gagne trade? The Sox players given up in that deal are playing really well. Any thoughts?
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Sox fans, HOW BAD was the Gagne trade? The Sox players given up in that deal are playing really well. Any thoughts? >>
Almost as bad as when the Yankees traded away Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps.
Bosox1976
<< <i>What a bunch of bull. The home plate umpire was awful. >>
He gave nothing to Joba for about 5 innings. Like TheVon said, he sucked for both teams.
Lets get the next two.
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<< <i>What a bunch of bull. The home plate umpire was awful. >>
He gave nothing to Joba for about 5 innings. Like TheVon said, he sucked for both teams. >>
You're right. I'm just pissed, in particular, about the Lowell "strike".
But other than Joba throwing at Youk's head again (I really don't understand that), the game was a pitching gem by both starters. Joba was pretty unhittable all night - while Beckett spaced out the hits he gave up so only that wimpy-ass hit by Giambi cost him.
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the game was a pitching gem by both starters.. >>
That's how I saw it. It's still hilarious that the Yankees have won 7 in a row and are STILL behind Tampa Bay and Boston.
That is too funny. The quality is in Tampa and Boston. The chokers reside in New York.
Sincerely,
2004/2008 S.S.D.Y
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the game was a pitching gem by both starters.. >>
That's how I saw it. It's still hilarious that the Yankees have won 7 in a row and are STILL behind Tampa Bay and Boston.
That is too funny. The quality is in Tampa and Boston. The chokers reside in New York.
Sincerely,
2004/2008 S.S.D.Y >>
Oh you're referring to that team who's one back in the loss column to the Red Sox
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Oh you're referring to that team who's one back in the loss column to the Red Sox
How did that "one back in the loss column" feel last year against the Indians in the playoffs
Sincerely,
Yeah, you're right
A few thoughts of mine after tonight:
1. Beckett is a HORSE. He obviously did not have his great stuff and still bush wacked the Yanks
2. This particular pitch I think did get away from Joba ... maybe not the past three
2. Joba can't hit Youkasissy enough in my mind (after the years and years Jeter, Posada, etc got plunked by the Sox, Jeter having to go to the hospital, etc)
3. Joba DOES need to go below the belt though
4. Mariano Rivera is a FREAK of nature. 13 years on top as a stopper whether his few years as setup or the rest as a closer
5. Don't expect much out of Papi after watching him pull his arm off the bat too early on almost every swing. He is NOT right
6. Where oh where is Manny and his "sore" knee
7. The Yanks can expect retaliation ..... no problem there
8. The Sox have a fine looking young shortstop. Has Julio Lugo ever read about Wally Pipp?
See you guys tomorrow!
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<< <i>What a bunch of bull. The home plate umpire was awful. >>
He gave nothing to Joba for about 5 innings. Like TheVon said, he sucked for both teams. >>
You're right. I'm just pissed, in particular, about the Lowell "strike".
But other than Joba throwing at Youk's head again (I really don't understand that), the game was a pitching gem by both starters. Joba was pretty unhittable all night - while Beckett spaced out the hits he gave up so only that wimpy-ass hit by Giambi cost him. >>
Jerry,
Listen and listen well ....
1. The "Lowell strike" was damn close. You are taught from TEE BALL that you DO NOT take a CLOSE third strike. I watched the replay a dozen times. THAT PITCH WAS CLOSE. It could have gone either way. To complain about it is senseless ..... THAT is baseball
2. The "whimpy-ass" hit by Giambi are the kind that lose World Series. Ask Mariano Rivera about "whimpy-ass" hits in game sevens of World Series. YOU as a veteran baseball fan should know better.
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<< <i>Cant wait to see the second coming of Ruth, in appearance ONLY, tomorrow night in Joba >>
ehhh, maybe he will take another pot shot at Youkasissy
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Marty Foster was horrible all night behind the plate - and that Lowell pitch was at least a foot and a half off the plate. Believe me, it was a bad call. Mike Lowell is a class guy, and I have never seen him get upset like that after a call. Then, with the strike zone seemingly expanded, Rivera was able to freeze Drew - poor guy never had a chance.
Want proof? Here is a PitchFX breakdown of just the 9th inning:
(Check out that website if you want some background on how it was compiled - good stuff).
We need some freaking offense. Even against the lowly Mariners, we were hardly knocking the cover off the ball. Pitching won those games, and could have won tonight - if we scored just 2 damn runs.
The pitch was "close" That does NOT mean it was a strike ..... you don't get my point .... a very rudimentary point. With TWO strikes you protect the plate. The Lowell pitch was CLOSE. It very easily could have been a BALL. Computer generated charts DO NOT call balls and strikes. Ever since the early 1850's human umpires call balls and strikes.
Do not lose sight of the fact that Josh and Joba were getting squeezed ALL NIGHT. To single out one pitch in a night of a "LAX" strike zone is nothing more then sour grapes. I certainly don't blame you .... but .... I learned A LONG TIME AGO that these types of things are part of the game and in the long run even themselves out.
I will NEVER and HAVE never blamed any loss on a umpires STRIKE & BALL count. I take ALOT of pride in that
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Also, I wouldn't expect retaliation tomorrow . . . at least not from our starter. I don't think a 62 MPH knuckleball is going to send a very strong message. Besides that, if Delcarmen is injured, the Sox can't risk having a reliever tossed out of the game if they had designs on waiting for Wake to leave the game to hit someone (A-Rod?).
<< <i> To prove I'm not just complaining because we lost, I'd like to point out one pitch against Drew where Molina set up outside and the pitch sailed right down the pipe and the ump still called it a ball simply because Molina had to stretch back across the plate to catch the pitch. Sure, he didn't hit his spot, but it was as much in the strike zone as balls placed on a tee are.
(A-Rod?). >>
That does not prove anything. All that shows is you remember another pitch that went against the Sox. I shook my head more then a few times during last nights game. I shake my head at least once every game I watch.
Hey, I'm sorry, BALLS and STRIKE calls that are talked about after the fact are nothing more then sour grapes. I challenge anybody to go through my six thousand plus posts and find anything I have ever whined about that boiled down to balls and strikes. You won't find a damn thing. I am proud of that. Those kind of calles are part of the game. More then anything else, I would have blamed somebody who did not come through with a big hit when needed.
You are REALLY grasping at straws when the finger of blame starts pointing to the man in blue behind the plate. All you are doing is overlooking what is probably many chances your team had to HIT their way out of a situation.
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Anybody know why there's a Chamberlain-Youk thing going? So Joba smokes two over his head a couple of years ago...why? Seems to me they could spend a few minutes to sit down and work it out instead of just letting it fester and go on and on.
I have to agree with Remy's comment about not putting on the shift with RISP. The "hit" was almost a direct shot at where the SS would be playing. Tough way to lose a game with such a lack of offense. Credit the Yankees, they were the better team last night.
Just curious...does anyone else here have the Extra Inning package with Directv?? I am once again screwed today by them not showing yet another Red Sox Saturday game. I can see most of the other games, which mean nada to me, but for the life of me, I can't understand why so mnay (perhaps 6 now) Red Sox games have not shown on Saturdays. I live in Atlanta, so it's not like a blackout or anything, but with the magnitude of the current series, you'd think for sure they'd have the game on, not so for me. Once again, I either sit in my car and listen to XM, or mute the music and watch the little icons move around the tv as they show the progress of the game. What a crock!!
Well, enjoy the game this PM, I'll be trying to squeeze out some game info along the way.
BTW, as I said some time ago, time for Manny to pack up his gear and move on. He may not have made the difference last night, but his not being in the lineup was like an early Christmas gift for Girardi. So, Manny doesn't play last Wednesday, off Thursday...why the hell does he wait till the last minute to complain about a knee? I think Ellsbury has his name on the left field position. Manny being Manny has become OLD news. I say trade his sorry ass. He's more than selfish IMO. Like Perkie said, apologies if he has serious knee problems, but don't other players play hurt in big games?? He ain't worth $20m.
I'm not blaming the loss on the awful home plate umpire. But in a 1-0 game, with both pitchers giving up basically nothing, it sucks to have the umpire playing such a large role in the outcome. If the 9th inning was called correctly, who knows what might have happened.
I agree about Tek. Jeez, Francona sure sticks by him no matter what. What he should have done in that 8th inning was pinch hit Casey for him. Casey has much better numbers in that case. But Francona wants Tek to snap out of it. This could be a problem down the stretch, IMO.
Boy, the papers are filled with Manny hate this morning. He better get his ass out there this afternoon.
Joba pitched a better game.
The Yankees and Red Sox are both great teams.
Should be a fun stretch run.
Let's move on here, boys.
<< <i> Commenting on how bad the umpire was might sound like sour grapes to you, but that is just because you are always looking ways that Sox fans are inferior to you and your Bronx cohorts. >>
No, I really don't ever whine about balls and strikes after the fact. Some time back in high school ball is when I learned to never look back at a upms strike zone. That is just me though I guess. ..... I usually whine about things the Yanks CAN control such as not coming up big with a hit in crucial situations
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<< <i>The game isn't on Extra Innings because its on Fox. Extra Innings doesn't get the games on Saturday afternoon or Sunday night, but they are on either Fox or ESPN. You have to be able to get those channels on Directv, right? >>
They're showing the Braves and Phillies here...I'd rather watch grass grow! How the hell can I get screwed out of at least 5 Saturday Red Sox games? I have been able to get the Red Sox on NESN even when Fox and ESPN had coverage. This Saturday thing just irks the S**T out of me...however, now that I see the score (7-2 Yanks), perhaps it was better that I completed my outside project today. Paying for the extra innings package should enable me to watch whatever, especially with the HD option.
BTW, sent you a PM some time ago, did you get it?
I am beyond done with Manny. How many players have played with a hurt friggin knee? Did it just happen? Why didn't he tell Francona while in Seattle? Manny is about Manny, he may hurt us in the future, but I say put his ass in the street and use the $20m more wisely...AND take Timlin and Hansen aka uber choker with him.
The Red Sox lack of clutch hitting is gonna see them fall further and further into the bottom. I just don't understand how they can continue to support Varitek. Nice guy for sure, but geez, has he choked HUGE in critical situations or what?
Gotta credit the Yankees, they've got it going now.
Al
Sure do. Credit a resurgent pitching staff. Mussina was supposed to be washed up but look at him now. Credit Girardi too getting a lot more out of his pitching staff, especially Farnsworth.
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