"Since signing the dotted line, has he been, by far, the best player in MLB? I wouldn't say that.."
Quit changing your criteria, and answer the damned question already. You didn't say year to year, you said 'since signing the dotted line'.
Show me a single player who compares to Arod over the past 5 years across ALL categories. Don't pick out crap like number of walks, the whole picture.
I suspect you will be looking a long time. >>
I'm not changing anything of my criteria, see?
<< <i>By agreeing to be traded to NY, he knew that the pressure to perform head and shoulders above everyone else went up 10 fold.
Has he consistently lived up to the hype of his contract? In other words, has he blown away every other player in MLB? Most certainly not.
He is expected to deliever when it matters. He is expected to be the best all-around player in baseball. He is expected to be slump-proof.
Is it fair to place too many expectations on him? No but he did bring this onto himself. Regardless of MVP awards, he hasn't produced what fans expect and that's winning a championship.
So do the fans have the right to be overly critical of A-Rod. There are 252,000,000 reasons why they can. >>
You took my post and have evolved it into something it's not.
And by the way, still waiting to hear your answer if last season's halves were reversed, would A-Rod still win the MVP? Why do you keep avoiding that question, ax?
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<< <i> "Since signing the dotted line, has he been, by far, the best player in MLB? I wouldn't say that.." >>
THIS is what you said. I am not putting words in your mouth, this is YOUR quotation.
<< <i>You took my post and have evolved it into something it's not. >>
No, you are trying to change the topic.
Please answer me, please tell me who's been better over the last 5 years than Arod. Why won't you answer the question? For you to be so adamant to say that Arod hasn't delivered on his contract, you must definitely have ideas about who's been better over the last 5 years. I'm waiting.
<< <i>And by the way, still waiting to hear your answer if last season's halves were reversed, would A-Rod still win the MVP? Why do you keep avoiding that question, ax? >>
Who knows if would have or not? Probably not? But the fact is that they WEREN'T reversed...and he walked away with another well deserved MVP trophy.
So there's my answer. Where's yours, clown? Oops, I mean stown.
Saw Arod yesterday in Tampa. While the guy still has my full support I am certainly concerned over his extended slump, or at least failure to post his usual numbers.
Two SOs, one I remember in a crucial AB with men on base (two or three?).
One fielding play that should have been a throwing error, over the head of the 1st baseman. Another play where the ball got by him but clearly was within range.
He did not look good gentlemen, not good at all.
On another note, the crowd was 75% Yankee fans and very supportive. The place was very quiet for much of the game even for a dome. The Tampa fans rival the NFL in San Fran in their lack of fervor. We even had one guy complaining when people stood up during an exciting play or series.
Sure the Yanks lost, but the Grand Salami by Giambi was a blast to see. That shot and one by Tampa (Huff I believe) were clearly out at the crack of the bat.
Nice field. We ate at a center field restaurant before the game, overlooking the field. Plenty of cafes and other places to eat. A cigar bar. A lot of the people were shuttling in and out to watch the World Cup.
I'd go back just to see a ball game. Free parking, fans can bring in their own food, and good ticket prices. If MLB gets rid of the Rays instead of of the Marlins it will be a mistake but I think the die is cast.
<< <i> "Since signing the dotted line, has he been, by far, the best player in MLB? I wouldn't say that.." >>
THIS is what you said. I am not putting words in your mouth, this is YOUR quotation.
<< <i>You took my post and have evolved it into something it's not. >>
No, you are trying to change the topic.
Please answer me, please tell me who's been better over the last 5 years than Arod. Why won't you answer the question? For you to be so adamant to say that Arod hasn't delivered on his contract, you must definitely have ideas about who's been better over the last 5 years. I'm waiting.
<< <i>And by the way, still waiting to hear your answer if last season's halves were reversed, would A-Rod still win the MVP? Why do you keep avoiding that question, ax? >>
Who knows if would have or not? Probably not? But the fact is that they WEREN'T reversed...and he walked away with another well deserved MVP trophy.
So there's my answer. Where's yours, clown? Oops, I mean stown. >>
Sure didn't take long for you to resort to name calling, huh ax?
You take one part of my post and change the context of it. ALL of these comments were in the same post, yet they simply go ignored.
Just off the top of my head, three years Bonds was a better and Albert was the last two. Happy?
Last year, A-Rod did not have a consistant great year. Thanks for finally admitting to that.
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I want a player who has put up a better 5 year run the last 5.
Quit picking and choosing.
YOU said that since he signed the contract, he hasn't been the best player in baseball. I've asked you repeatedly to show me a player who's put up a better 5 year run over that same time.
You come back with picking and choosing. SHOW ME WHO'S BEEN BETTER OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS. A total. Not individual years.
And you don't look at parts of the year...you look at the entire body of work.
Until you can show me who's had a better 5 year run, stop posting, do some reasearch. I suspect you'll be looking a lonnnnnnnnnnng time.
I want a player who has put up a better 5 year run the last 5.
Quit picking and choosing.
YOU said that since he signed the contract, he hasn't been the best player in baseball. I've asked you repeatedly to show me a player who's put up a better 5 year run over that same time.
You come back with picking and choosing. SHOW ME WHO'S BEEN BETTER OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS. A total. Not individual years.
And you don't look at parts of the year...you look at the entire body of work.
Until you can show me who's had a better 5 year run, stop posting, do some reasearch. I suspect you'll be looking a lonnnnnnnnnnng time. >>
Okay ax, I can tell this is going no where with you. You are so blinded and arrogant, that you can't see straight. You continue to look at the 5 year average and refuse to see the whole point. Yes, I did say five years because he signed the contract five years ago. Has he been the best player each of the five years? I believe Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols would disagree with you. Last year, Ortiz had a better year but again, you can't see that through your mancrush.
I don't give a darn what he has averaged over the last five years. You can keep screaming for that until you turn blue and pass out.. On second thought, PLEASE do that.
Anyways... As I've been saying, he has been the highest paid player for the last five years. He has not been the best player for each of those years, period. You won't argue this point because you can't, axtell, can you? Until you can prove that he has been the best player each year, stop wasting bandwidth.
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you implied that over the best 5 years, Arod hasn't been the best player.
What you DIDN'T say, was in each of the last 5 years, was he the best in each of those 5 years.
If you want to say over the past 5 years, you take the whole period. I am sorry you have been proven wrong, but why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years?
you implied that over the best 5 years, Arod hasn't been the best player.
What you DIDN'T say, was in each of the last 5 years, was he the best in each of those 5 years.
If you want to say over the past 5 years, you take the whole period. I am sorry you have been proven wrong, but why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years? >>
Oh, I implied that? Can you read my mind or something? I have been saying over and over each year for the past five years; go re-read the post.
I wouldn't say, as I specifically said in my original post "Has he consistently lived up to the hype of his contract? In other words, has he blown away every other player in MLB? Most certainly not", he blew away Pujols.
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<< <i>Some could say that Pujols has been the best player over the past 5 years.
Steve >>
You gonna edit this post like you did all your posts in the OF, WP?
And stown, I'm done. Your words clearly said 'since signing the dotted line'. That implies over the period of the last 5 years, not year by year. When pressed, you reel and try to change the criteria.
To think that a team would be better off without Arod,(
Skip with all due respect and I have no proof, just speculation, but a team could get better without a player of Arods capabilities with all your reasons plus one more. Chemistry. When i first mentioned how seattle and then later texas both got better when he left i did not mean that his leaving was the sole reason. It was a combination of the things you mentioned and possibly things that we will never know about. Chemistry being one. The team as a whole got better, etc JMO
For whatever reason ,he left those 2 teams and they had better years the year he left. coincidence? probably.
When I mentioned that a few days ago i probably was not as articulate as i should have been. Also it was a minor statement within a post i was making and of course it was taken as the major statement and then blown out of proportion. That too was prolly my fault as i ignored the first question regarding it and should have ignored the second.
<< <i>Some could say that Pujols has been the best player over the past 5 years.
Steve >>
You gonna edit this post like you did all your posts in the OF, WP?
And stown, I'm done. Your words clearly said 'since signing the dotted line'. That implies over the period of the last 5 years, not year by year. When pressed, you reel and try to change the criteria.
Lame. Go home. >>
Translation:
<< <i>Ax has been owned again >>
You said "why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years?"
Using your example, I proved you wrong, again, with Pujols.
I just looked over my previous posts, in every post after my 1st one, I specifically stated (at least 13 times with a quick scan) it was each year. Again, you get so blinded and close minded that you refuse what is right in front of you.
Owned again.
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You didn't even think to bring up anyone's stats until WP mentioned Pujols.
When someone says something along the lines 'he's not the best player since he signed that contract 5 years ago' that implies over the course of those 5 years, he's been the best player overall.
If you meant to say 'year to year', then why didn't you say it?
Pujols has been similar, but I still think Arod's had overall better stats.
I find it funny you are so willing to battle this out, instead of just admitting you worded your query poorly.
Every time Axhole posts I imagine him sitting at his computer with his face beat red screaming at his monitor with veins bulging out of his head.
anyone else see that?
Axholes words:
Stown-
I am still waiting for your list of players who are better over the last 5 years than Arod. ==============================================
That implies, to me at least, that it could be any combo of guys over the past 5 years. Then when Stown did in fact say one guy for 3 years and another for 2 Axtell changed the criteria to one guy over 5 years. Pujols is mentioned and of course that answer is challenged too.
^^Still stuck on Arod I see. As good as he's been the past 5 seasons(Top 5 easily) it doesn't mean he's clutch. Read the title of the thread, and you can't disprove it. Go cry somewhere else, I for one am sick of hearing the same whining day in and day out. Make a thread called "Ax's daily rants" or something, it might be as popular as your other threads(I don't think it will eclispe a recent poll though).
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<< <i>Every time Axhole posts I imagine him sitting at his computer with his face beat red screaming at his monitor with veins bulging out of his head.
anyone else see that?
Axholes words:
Stown-
I am still waiting for your list of players who are better over the last 5 years than Arod. ==============================================
That implies, to me at least, that it could be any combo of guys over the past 5 years. Then when Stown did in fact say one guy for 3 years and another for 2 Axtell changed the criteria to one guy over 5 years. Pujols is mentioned and of course that answer is challenged too.
Steve >>
It definetly says verbatim "list of players"
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Why hello there Alt ID WP! Good day today I should say.
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Win, if chemistry really does have a value(and isn't assigned after the fact like it usually is), Arod really isn't a player that is disruptive to team chemistry though.
Economically speaking, there may certainly be a valid reason as to why a team could improve without Arod and his monster salary. Of course, a lot of that has to do wtih how good a GM is as opposed to the player.
A SS who has the same offensive numbers as a 1B is doing more for his team to win, however, there is no exact number on how much more. SOme analysts have it really high up there, while some are not quite as eager to say it to that degree...though there is a degree.
****BUT, the thrust of my point is that all those statments that are applied to Arod and lack fo winning, or timely hitting, must be applied to all other players who fall under that category. Mainly Biggio. One cannot impune Arod for those things without doing the same to Biggio. If one disregards that for Biggio, then it simply renders his words meaningless when applied to Arod.
You didn't even think to bring up anyone's stats until WP mentioned Pujols.
When someone says something along the lines 'he's not the best player since he signed that contract 5 years ago' that implies over the course of those 5 years, he's been the best player overall.
If you meant to say 'year to year', then why didn't you say it?
Pujols has been similar, but I still think Arod's had overall better stats.
I find it funny you are so willing to battle this out, instead of just admitting you worded your query poorly. >>
First let me start off by saying I love owning you ax. I mean really, it's almost to a point where it's just too easy.
I got the idea of Puljos from WP's post??? Oh really???? There was a minute between our posts. So I put together that post, looked up all of the stats, transferred them to text, and gave a summary all in just ONE MINUTE???
Time of WP's Post: Monday July 10, 2006 7:49 PM (NEW!)
<< <i>Some could say that Pujols has been the best player over the past 5 years.
Steve >>
Time of my following post: Monday July 10, 2006 7:50 PM (NEW!)
<< <i><< stown-
you implied that over the best 5 years, Arod hasn't been the best player.
What you DIDN'T say, was in each of the last 5 years, was he the best in each of those 5 years.
If you want to say over the past 5 years, you take the whole period. I am sorry you have been proven wrong, but why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years? >>
Oh, I implied that? Can you read my mind or something? I have been saying over and over each year for the past five years; go re-read the post.
I wouldn't say, as I specifically said in my original post "Has he consistently lived up to the hype of his contract? In other words, has he blown away every other player in MLB? Most certainly not", he blew away Pujols. >>
I did all of that within a minute's time?? I guess I should take that as a compliment from you.
Also, I did say year to year. As I just posted, every single post after my original post, I specifically said each and every year. How much more obvious do you want it to be? Don't believe me, rather than spew hatred from your owned keyboard, go re-read ALL of the posts. It's right there for EVERYONE to see.
And please note, you now claim that you "think" A-Rod had been the best player on AVERAGE over the past five years. Oh how quickly you change your tune.
Owned, again and again and again and again....
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You didn't even think to bring up anyone's stats until WP mentioned Pujols.
Wrong again axhole, I suggest you look at the timeline. those posts were 1 minute apart. I suspect it is more like 'great minds think alike' then stown using my remark. it would be impossible for him to read my post and then type all that he did. all in 1 minute? dont think so....................admit you are wrong, your silence regarding it will suffice.
As I said, I love it when he gets owned again and again and again and again....
Having said that, say hi to my new sig line
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<< <i>Win, if chemistry really does have a value(and isn't assigned after the fact like it usually is), Arod really isn't a player that is disruptive to team chemistry though.
Economically speaking, there may certainly be a valid reason as to why a team could improve without Arod and his monster salary. Of course, a lot of that has to do wtih how good a GM is as opposed to the player.
A SS who has the same offensive numbers as a 1B is doing more for his team to win, however, there is no exact number on how much more. SOme analysts have it really high up there, while some are not quite as eager to say it to that degree...though there is a degree.
****BUT, the thrust of my point is that all those statments that are applied to Arod and lack fo winning, or timely hitting, must be applied to all other players who fall under that category. Mainly Biggio. One cannot impune Arod for those things without doing the same to Biggio. If one disregards that for Biggio, then it simply renders his words meaningless when applied to Arod. >>
But no one is saying Arod or Biggs' is not a sure thing for the HOF. No matter how much I seem to bash Arod, it's simply because I want to see him succeed and my favorite team succeed.
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As I said, I love it when he gets owned again and again and again and again....
Having said that, say hi to my new sig line >>
And guys....It never gets old!!
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I think you have spun yourself in such a circle you don't know which way is up.
Every converation/debate/argument with you axhole always winds up that way. you say one thing, then when that is sufficently answered you twist it around. after about the 15 post whoever you are talking too has been run through circles.
Funny how you are always one of the parties involved?
I think you have spun yourself in such a circle you don't know which way is up.
Arod's been the best player in the majors over the past 5 years.
You disagree, yet took you all day to come up with Pujols' numbers.
Why all the anger little man? >>
This guy talking about spin. Why does it matter that it "took you all day to come up with Pujols' numbers."? Their they are, and here they are again....
Taking the current season in to account it's quite easy to see how COMPARABLE this two guys are. Quit crying about Arod already.
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I think you have spun yourself in such a circle you don't know which way is up.
Arod's been the best player in the majors over the past 5 years.
You disagree, yet took you all day to come up with Pujols' numbers.
Why all the anger little man? >>
Because it wasn't my point, axtell, as I said that LEAST 13 times. You have been proven wrong over and over and over all day in front of the entire CU Sports Talk community. Thanks to you and your nonsense, this thread has remained at the top all day for everyone to read.
Owned again and again and again and again....
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Why did you go and delete all your posts in the open forum? Too chicken to stand behind what you say? >>
I haven't. Oh that's right, you almost convinced me I was WPs alt. No, no, no your just wrong again. Spin away good buddy.
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Why did you go and delete all your posts in the open forum? Too chicken to stand behind what you say? >>
Oh, I can just imagine the bitterness that's spewing out of his owned mouth right now
Just admit you have been wrong all day and leave this thread alone.
Owned, again and again and again and again....
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if you meant each individual year, then why didn't you say that?
Your words CLEARLY stated 'from the time he signed on the dotted line'. When you say that, you say you meant 'each year'.
But how can someone with his numbers not be the best period in that time frame, if, there is no one with superior numbers over the same era?
You are wrong...talk about being owned! >>
Look at the difference in BA between Arod and Pujols during that period. That's a start, and you can even compare what both are doing currently.
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if you meant each individual year, then why didn't you say that?
Your words CLEARLY stated 'from the time he signed on the dotted line'. When you say that, you say you meant 'each year'.
But how can someone with his numbers not be the best period in that time frame, if, there is no one with superior numbers over the same era?
You are wrong...talk about being owned! >>
Read my posts, axtell, it's there in black and white.
Here's just a few:
" He didn't come close to being the top in HRs in each of the past 5 years. It's about producing every year, not just an average..."
"To sign the richest deal in MLB history comes with the expectation to be the best player, performance wise, in the majors year in and year out. Has he done that consistantly every year for the past 5 years? Nope"
"He signed the richest contract in MLB history. $252,000,000 has a lot of zeros in there, doesn't it? He, by far, makes more money than ANYONE else every sinlge year. Has he been the best player in the majors every year for the past five years?"
"Being the highest paid player (and second only to David Beckham for highest paid by a team in the ENTIRE WORLD), should a fan expect nothing but greatness from him? Shouldn't they expect him to consistantly produce each time he comes up to the plate or make the play in the field?"
And that was just in my FIRST TWO REPLIES TO YOU!
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Nope, he's going to come back and say even though I specifically said it was each year, I really didn't.
Owned again and again and again and again....
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you've been owned from the outset as I've asked you repeatedly for a list of players (hell, one) that Arod's not been better than for the past 5 years.
It's obvious that you are going to continue to insist that he's not the best player over the past 5 years by saying in individual years a player here or a player there had a better year.
When I hear someone say 'over the past 5 years' I am think the average of those 5 years. I can't look at a span of time in comparing numbers, I can't pick and choose single years...I compare the entire lumps of numbers averaged out over those 5 years.
What it seems you want to do is say that for him to have been worth it, he would have had to lead the league in BA, HR, RBI, every offensive category, win an MVP 5 straight years.
You instead want to say that in one year he wasn't producing enough RBI, another year not high enough batting average. I don't see how you can say a player isn't the best over 5 years, then want to pick apart individual years (and not the whole picture).
I am through discussing this with you. It's apparent you will go to any length to prove Arod's not the most dominant player based on aberrations, instead of appreciating the game's best player.
Back on topic, no one can say that A-Rod has been the best player in MLB each year for the past five years, period.
And to that, let us all say...
AMEN!
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you've been owned from the outset as I've asked you repeatedly for a list of players (hell, one) that Arod's not been better than for the past 5 years.
It's obvious that you are going to continue to insist that he's not the best player over the past 5 years by saying in individual years a player here or a player there had a better year.
When I hear someone say 'over the past 5 years' I am think the average of those 5 years. I can't look at a span of time in comparing numbers, I can't pick and choose single years...I compare the entire lumps of numbers averaged out over those 5 years.
What it seems you want to do is say that for him to have been worth it, he would have had to lead the league in BA, HR, RBI, every offensive category, win an MVP 5 straight years.
You instead want to say that in one year he wasn't producing enough RBI, another year not high enough batting average. I don't see how you can say a player isn't the best over 5 years, then want to pick apart individual years (and not the whole picture).
I am through discussing this with you. It's apparent you will go to any length to prove Arod's not the most dominant player based on aberrations, instead of appreciating the game's best player.
Later. >>
Now that's funny. I predicted exactly what ax was going to say.
<< <i>Nope, he's going to come back and say even though I specifically said it was each year, I really didn't >>
Nope, never said the following in my first two responses to you:
" He didn't come close to being the top in HRs in each of the past 5 years. It's about producing every year, not just an average..."
"To sign the richest deal in MLB history comes with the expectation to be the best player, performance wise, in the majors year in and year out. Has he done that consistantly every year for the past 5 years? Nope"
"He signed the richest contract in MLB history. $252,000,000 has a lot of zeros in there, doesn't it? He, by far, makes more money than ANYONE else every sinlge year. Has he been the best player in the majors every year for the past five years?"
"Being the highest paid player (and second only to David Beckham for highest paid by a team in the ENTIRE WORLD), should a fan expect nothing but greatness from him? Shouldn't they expect him to consistantly produce each time he comes up to the plate or make the play in the field?"
I honestly believe you enjoy being owned.
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When I hear someone say 'over the past 5 years' I am think the average of those 5 years. I can't look at a span of time in comparing numbers, I can't pick and choose single years...I compare the entire lumps of numbers averaged out over those 5 years.
Is there ANY way to get rid of this problem child (Axtell) already? He is 10 times worse then Gemmy 10 could ever be. I don't care what any of you guys say man .... Axtell stinks up this forum in a much worse way then Gemmy 10 could ever do with his spam.
This forum will forever be bush league with a virus like Axtell running wild poisoning many threads with his self proclaimed "facts" which more often then not are twisted truth and outright lies ..... and the moronic notion that he holds himself on some higher level because he thinks that he is special because of differing opinions then most.
<< <i>Is there ANY way to get rid of this problem child (Axtell) already? He is 10 times worse then Gemmy 10 could ever be. I don't care what any of you guys say man .... Axtell stinks up this forum in a much worse way then Gemmy 10 could ever do with his spam.
This forum will forever be bush league with a virus like Axtell running wild poisoning many threads with his self proclaimed "facts" which more often then not are twisted truth and outright lies ..... and the moronic notion that he holds himself on some higher level because he thinks that he is special because of differing opinions then most. >>
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So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Is there ANY way to get rid of this problem child (Axtell) already? He is 10 times worse then Gemmy 10 could ever be. I don't care what any of you guys say man .... Axtell stinks up this forum in a much worse way then Gemmy 10 could ever do with his spam.
This forum will forever be bush league with a virus like Axtell running wild poisoning many threads with his self proclaimed "facts" which more often then not are twisted truth and outright lies ..... and the moronic notion that he holds himself on some higher level because he thinks that he is special because of differing opinions then most. >>
But then you'd have uneducated people like myself here to dumb everyone down on a parttime basis!!!!
<< <i>So tell me why Damon gets a pass on this, while Arod got slammed for playing cards legally? >>
It's all about the image. A-Rod appears to be a straight-laced guy, no personality, goodie-two-shoes; Johnny is the kind of guy you want to hang out at a bar with. Throw a couple back and swap stories. He smokes pot every once in a while, big freakin deal. A-Rod playing in an illegal card game, especially with gambling being a huge no-no in baseball, is a big deal.
By the way, if you stopped bringing the card game up, people would forget about it.
Ironic.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
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<< <i>You said:
"Since signing the dotted line, has he been, by far, the best player in MLB? I wouldn't say that.."
Quit changing your criteria, and answer the damned question already. You didn't say year to year, you said 'since signing the dotted line'.
Show me a single player who compares to Arod over the past 5 years across ALL categories. Don't pick out crap like number of walks, the whole picture.
I suspect you will be looking a long time. >>
I'm not changing anything of my criteria, see?
<< <i>By agreeing to be traded to NY, he knew that the pressure to perform head and shoulders above everyone else went up 10 fold.
Has he consistently lived up to the hype of his contract? In other words, has he blown away every other player in MLB? Most certainly not.
He is expected to deliever when it matters. He is expected to be the best all-around player in baseball. He is expected to be slump-proof.
Is it fair to place too many expectations on him? No but he did bring this onto himself. Regardless of MVP awards, he hasn't produced what fans expect and that's winning a championship.
So do the fans have the right to be overly critical of A-Rod. There are 252,000,000 reasons why they can. >>
You took my post and have evolved it into something it's not.
And by the way, still waiting to hear your answer if last season's halves were reversed, would A-Rod still win the MVP? Why do you keep avoiding that question, ax?
<< <i>
"Since signing the dotted line, has he been, by far, the best player in MLB? I wouldn't say that.."
>>
THIS is what you said. I am not putting words in your mouth, this is YOUR quotation.
<< <i>You took my post and have evolved it into something it's not. >>
No, you are trying to change the topic.
Please answer me, please tell me who's been better over the last 5 years than Arod. Why won't you answer the question? For you to be so adamant to say that Arod hasn't delivered on his contract, you must definitely have ideas about who's been better over the last 5 years. I'm waiting.
<< <i>And by the way, still waiting to hear your answer if last season's halves were reversed, would A-Rod still win the MVP? Why do you keep avoiding that question, ax? >>
Who knows if would have or not? Probably not? But the fact is that they WEREN'T reversed...and he walked away with another well deserved MVP trophy.
So there's my answer. Where's yours, clown? Oops, I mean stown.
Saw Arod yesterday in Tampa. While the guy still has my full support I am certainly concerned over his extended slump, or at least failure to post his usual numbers.
Two SOs, one I remember in a crucial AB with men on base (two or three?).
One fielding play that should have been a throwing error, over the head of the 1st baseman. Another play where the ball got by him but clearly was within range.
He did not look good gentlemen, not good at all.
On another note, the crowd was 75% Yankee fans and very supportive. The place was very quiet for much of the game even for a dome. The Tampa fans rival the NFL in San Fran in their lack of fervor. We even had one guy complaining when people stood up during an exciting play or series.
Sure the Yanks lost, but the Grand Salami by Giambi was a blast to see. That shot and one by Tampa (Huff I believe) were clearly out at the crack of the bat.
Nice field. We ate at a center field restaurant before the game, overlooking the field. Plenty of cafes and other places to eat. A cigar bar. A lot of the people were shuttling in and out to watch the World Cup.
I'd go back just to see a ball game. Free parking, fans can bring in their own food, and good ticket prices. If MLB gets rid of the Rays instead of of the Marlins it will be a mistake but I think the die is cast.
<< <i>
<< <i>
"Since signing the dotted line, has he been, by far, the best player in MLB? I wouldn't say that.."
>>
THIS is what you said. I am not putting words in your mouth, this is YOUR quotation.
<< <i>You took my post and have evolved it into something it's not. >>
No, you are trying to change the topic.
Please answer me, please tell me who's been better over the last 5 years than Arod. Why won't you answer the question? For you to be so adamant to say that Arod hasn't delivered on his contract, you must definitely have ideas about who's been better over the last 5 years. I'm waiting.
<< <i>And by the way, still waiting to hear your answer if last season's halves were reversed, would A-Rod still win the MVP? Why do you keep avoiding that question, ax? >>
Who knows if would have or not? Probably not? But the fact is that they WEREN'T reversed...and he walked away with another well deserved MVP trophy.
So there's my answer. Where's yours, clown? Oops, I mean stown. >>
Sure didn't take long for you to resort to name calling, huh ax?
You take one part of my post and change the context of it. ALL of these comments were in the same post, yet they simply go ignored.
Just off the top of my head, three years Bonds was a better and Albert was the last two. Happy?
Last year, A-Rod did not have a consistant great year. Thanks for finally admitting to that.
I want a player who has put up a better 5 year run the last 5.
Quit picking and choosing.
YOU said that since he signed the contract, he hasn't been the best player in baseball. I've asked you repeatedly to show me a player who's put up a better 5 year run over that same time.
You come back with picking and choosing. SHOW ME WHO'S BEEN BETTER OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS. A total. Not individual years.
And you don't look at parts of the year...you look at the entire body of work.
Until you can show me who's had a better 5 year run, stop posting, do some reasearch. I suspect you'll be looking a lonnnnnnnnnnng time.
<< <i>YOU stated 5 years.
I want a player who has put up a better 5 year run the last 5.
Quit picking and choosing.
YOU said that since he signed the contract, he hasn't been the best player in baseball. I've asked you repeatedly to show me a player who's put up a better 5 year run over that same time.
You come back with picking and choosing. SHOW ME WHO'S BEEN BETTER OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS. A total. Not individual years.
And you don't look at parts of the year...you look at the entire body of work.
Until you can show me who's had a better 5 year run, stop posting, do some reasearch. I suspect you'll be looking a lonnnnnnnnnnng time. >>
Okay ax, I can tell this is going no where with you. You are so blinded and arrogant, that you can't see straight. You continue to look at the 5 year average and refuse to see the whole point. Yes, I did say five years because he signed the contract five years ago. Has he been the best player each of the five years? I believe Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols would disagree with you. Last year, Ortiz had a better year but again, you can't see that through your mancrush.
I don't give a darn what he has averaged over the last five years. You can keep screaming for that until you turn blue and pass out.. On second thought, PLEASE do that.
Anyways... As I've been saying, he has been the highest paid player for the last five years. He has not been the best player for each of those years, period. You won't argue this point because you can't, axtell, can you? Until you can prove that he has been the best player each year, stop wasting bandwidth.
you implied that over the best 5 years, Arod hasn't been the best player.
What you DIDN'T say, was in each of the last 5 years, was he the best in each of those 5 years.
If you want to say over the past 5 years, you take the whole period. I am sorry you have been proven wrong, but why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years?
Steve
<< <i>stown-
you implied that over the best 5 years, Arod hasn't been the best player.
What you DIDN'T say, was in each of the last 5 years, was he the best in each of those 5 years.
If you want to say over the past 5 years, you take the whole period. I am sorry you have been proven wrong, but why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years? >>
Oh, I implied that? Can you read my mind or something? I have been saying over and over each year for the past five years; go re-read the post.
And just using your comparison table:
2001: .318/52/135
2002: .300/57/142
2003: .298/47/119
2004: .286/36/106
2005: .321/48/130
Here is Pujols:
2001: .329/37/130
2002: .314/34/127
2003: .359/43/124
2004: .331/46/123
2005: .330/41/117
I wouldn't say, as I specifically said in my original post "Has he consistently lived up to the hype of his contract? In other words, has he blown away every other player in MLB? Most certainly not", he blew away Pujols.
<< <i>Some could say that Pujols has been the best player over the past 5 years.
Steve >>
You gonna edit this post like you did all your posts in the OF, WP?
And stown, I'm done. Your words clearly said 'since signing the dotted line'. That implies over the period of the last 5 years, not year by year. When pressed, you reel and try to change the criteria.
Lame. Go home.
Skip with all due respect and I have no proof, just speculation, but a team could get better without a player of Arods capabilities with all your reasons plus one more. Chemistry. When i first mentioned how seattle and then later texas both got better when he left i did not mean that his leaving was the sole reason. It was a combination of the things you mentioned and possibly things that we will never know about. Chemistry being one. The team as a whole got better, etc JMO
For whatever reason ,he left those 2 teams and they had better years the year he left. coincidence? probably.
When I mentioned that a few days ago i probably was not as articulate as i should have been. Also it was a minor statement within a post i was making and of course it was taken as the major statement and then blown out of proportion. That too was prolly my fault as i ignored the first question regarding it and should have ignored the second.
It was merely an observation.
Steve
NO
are you going to twist my simple one word answer like you just did with stown?
grow the hell up.
Steve
<< <i>
<< <i>Some could say that Pujols has been the best player over the past 5 years.
Steve >>
You gonna edit this post like you did all your posts in the OF, WP?
And stown, I'm done. Your words clearly said 'since signing the dotted line'. That implies over the period of the last 5 years, not year by year. When pressed, you reel and try to change the criteria.
Lame. Go home. >>
Translation:
<< <i>Ax has been owned again >>
You said "why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years?"
Using your example, I proved you wrong, again, with Pujols.
I just looked over my previous posts, in every post after my 1st one, I specifically stated (at least 13 times with a quick scan) it was each year. Again, you get so blinded and close minded that you refuse what is right in front of you.
Owned again.
You didn't even think to bring up anyone's stats until WP mentioned Pujols.
When someone says something along the lines 'he's not the best player since he signed that contract 5 years ago' that implies over the course of those 5 years, he's been the best player overall.
If you meant to say 'year to year', then why didn't you say it?
Pujols has been similar, but I still think Arod's had overall better stats.
I find it funny you are so willing to battle this out, instead of just admitting you worded your query poorly.
anyone else see that?
Axholes words:
Stown-
I am still waiting for your list of players who are better over the last 5 years than Arod.
==============================================
That implies, to me at least, that it could be any combo of guys over the past 5 years. Then when Stown did in fact say one guy for 3 years and another for 2 Axtell changed the criteria to one guy over 5 years. Pujols is mentioned and of course that answer is challenged too.
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<< <i>Every time Axhole posts I imagine him sitting at his computer with his face beat red screaming at his monitor with veins bulging out of his head.
anyone else see that?
Axholes words:
Stown-
I am still waiting for your list of players who are better over the last 5 years than Arod.
==============================================
That implies, to me at least, that it could be any combo of guys over the past 5 years. Then when Stown did in fact say one guy for 3 years and another for 2 Axtell changed the criteria to one guy over 5 years. Pujols is mentioned and of course that answer is challenged too.
Steve >>
It definetly says verbatim "list of players"
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Economically speaking, there may certainly be a valid reason as to why a team could improve without Arod and his monster salary. Of course, a lot of that has to do wtih how good a GM is as opposed to the player.
A SS who has the same offensive numbers as a 1B is doing more for his team to win, however, there is no exact number on how much more. SOme analysts have it really high up there, while some are not quite as eager to say it to that degree...though there is a degree.
****BUT, the thrust of my point is that all those statments that are applied to Arod and lack fo winning, or timely hitting, must be applied to all other players who fall under that category. Mainly Biggio. One cannot impune Arod for those things without doing the same to Biggio. If one disregards that for Biggio, then it simply renders his words meaningless when applied to Arod.
<< <i>stown-
You didn't even think to bring up anyone's stats until WP mentioned Pujols.
When someone says something along the lines 'he's not the best player since he signed that contract 5 years ago' that implies over the course of those 5 years, he's been the best player overall.
If you meant to say 'year to year', then why didn't you say it?
Pujols has been similar, but I still think Arod's had overall better stats.
I find it funny you are so willing to battle this out, instead of just admitting you worded your query poorly. >>
First let me start off by saying I love owning you ax. I mean really, it's almost to a point where it's just too easy.
I got the idea of Puljos from WP's post??? Oh really???? There was a minute between our posts. So I put together that post, looked up all of the stats, transferred them to text, and gave a summary all in just ONE MINUTE???
Time of WP's Post: Monday July 10, 2006 7:49 PM (NEW!)
<< <i>Some could say that Pujols has been the best player over the past 5 years.
Steve >>
Time of my following post: Monday July 10, 2006 7:50 PM (NEW!)
<< <i><< stown-
you implied that over the best 5 years, Arod hasn't been the best player.
What you DIDN'T say, was in each of the last 5 years, was he the best in each of those 5 years.
If you want to say over the past 5 years, you take the whole period. I am sorry you have been proven wrong, but why does it pain you so to admit he's been the best player in baseball the past 5 years? >>
Oh, I implied that? Can you read my mind or something? I have been saying over and over each year for the past five years; go re-read the post.
And just using your comparison table:
2001: .318/52/135
2002: .300/57/142
2003: .298/47/119
2004: .286/36/106
2005: .321/48/130
Here is Pujols:
2001: .329/37/130
2002: .314/34/127
2003: .359/43/124
2004: .331/46/123
2005: .330/41/117
I wouldn't say, as I specifically said in my original post "Has he consistently lived up to the hype of his contract? In other words, has he blown away every other player in MLB? Most certainly not", he blew away Pujols. >>
I did all of that within a minute's time?? I guess I should take that as a compliment from you.
Also, I did say year to year. As I just posted, every single post after my original post, I specifically said each and every year. How much more obvious do you want it to be? Don't believe me, rather than spew hatred from your owned keyboard, go re-read ALL of the posts. It's right there for EVERYONE to see.
And please note, you now claim that you "think" A-Rod had been the best player on AVERAGE over the past five years. Oh how quickly you change your tune.
Owned, again and again and again and again....
Wrong again axhole, I suggest you look at the timeline. those posts were 1 minute apart. I suspect it is more like 'great minds think alike' then stown using my remark. it would be impossible for him to read my post and then type all that he did. all in 1 minute? dont think so....................admit you are wrong, your silence regarding it will suffice.
Steve
steve
<< <i>Lol stown we did it again!
steve >>
As I said, I love it when he gets owned again and again and again and again....
Having said that, say hi to my new sig line
<< <i>Win, if chemistry really does have a value(and isn't assigned after the fact like it usually is), Arod really isn't a player that is disruptive to team chemistry though.
Economically speaking, there may certainly be a valid reason as to why a team could improve without Arod and his monster salary. Of course, a lot of that has to do wtih how good a GM is as opposed to the player.
A SS who has the same offensive numbers as a 1B is doing more for his team to win, however, there is no exact number on how much more. SOme analysts have it really high up there, while some are not quite as eager to say it to that degree...though there is a degree.
****BUT, the thrust of my point is that all those statments that are applied to Arod and lack fo winning, or timely hitting, must be applied to all other players who fall under that category. Mainly Biggio. One cannot impune Arod for those things without doing the same to Biggio. If one disregards that for Biggio, then it simply renders his words meaningless when applied to Arod. >>
But no one is saying Arod or Biggs' is not a sure thing for the HOF. No matter how much I seem to bash Arod, it's simply because I want to see him succeed and my favorite team succeed.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Lol stown we did it again!
steve >>
As I said, I love it when he gets owned again and again and again and again....
Having said that, say hi to my new sig line
And guys....It never gets old!!
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I think you have spun yourself in such a circle you don't know which way is up.
Arod's been the best player in the majors over the past 5 years.
You disagree, yet took you all day to come up with Pujols' numbers.
Why all the anger little man?
Every converation/debate/argument with you axhole always winds up that way.
you say one thing, then when that is sufficently answered you twist it around. after about the 15 post whoever you are talking too has been run through circles.
Funny how you are always one of the parties involved?
Steve
<< <i>stown-
I think you have spun yourself in such a circle you don't know which way is up.
Arod's been the best player in the majors over the past 5 years.
You disagree, yet took you all day to come up with Pujols' numbers.
Why all the anger little man? >>
This guy talking about spin. Why does it matter that it "took you all day to come up with Pujols' numbers."? Their they are, and here they are again....
And just using your comparison table:
ARod:
2001: .318/52/135
2002: .300/57/142
2003: .298/47/119
2004: .286/36/106
2005: .321/48/130
Here is Pujols:
2001: .329/37/130
2002: .314/34/127
2003: .359/43/124
2004: .331/46/123
2005: .330/41/117
Taking the current season in to account it's quite easy to see how COMPARABLE this two guys are. Quit crying about Arod already.
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Why did you go and delete all your posts in the open forum? Too chicken to stand behind what you say?
<< <i>stown-
I think you have spun yourself in such a circle you don't know which way is up.
Arod's been the best player in the majors over the past 5 years.
You disagree, yet took you all day to come up with Pujols' numbers.
Why all the anger little man? >>
Because it wasn't my point, axtell, as I said that LEAST 13 times. You have been proven wrong over and over and over all day in front of the entire CU Sports Talk community. Thanks to you and your nonsense, this thread has remained at the top all day for everyone to read.
Owned again and again and again and again....
<< <i>WP-
Why did you go and delete all your posts in the open forum? Too chicken to stand behind what you say? >>
I haven't. Oh that's right, you almost convinced me I was WPs alt. No, no, no your just wrong again. Spin away good buddy.
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nice try though at derailing the thread. what does the OF have to do with arod?
typical,
to answer your lame a$$ question though, coin and I pm'd and we both concluded that you are an idiot, and not worth arguing over.
more proof that when you get owned in a conversation you DERAIL IT.
Steve
<< <i>WP-
Why did you go and delete all your posts in the open forum? Too chicken to stand behind what you say? >>
Oh, I can just imagine the bitterness that's spewing out of his owned mouth right now
Just admit you have been wrong all day and leave this thread alone.
Owned, again and again and again and again....
if you meant each individual year, then why didn't you say that?
Your words CLEARLY stated 'from the time he signed on the dotted line'. When you say that, you say you meant 'each year'.
But how can someone with his numbers not be the best period in that time frame, if, there is no one with superior numbers over the same era?
You are wrong...talk about being owned!
Steve
<< <i>stown-
if you meant each individual year, then why didn't you say that?
Your words CLEARLY stated 'from the time he signed on the dotted line'. When you say that, you say you meant 'each year'.
But how can someone with his numbers not be the best period in that time frame, if, there is no one with superior numbers over the same era?
You are wrong...talk about being owned! >>
Look at the difference in BA between Arod and Pujols during that period. That's a start, and you can even compare what both are doing currently.
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<< <i>stown-
if you meant each individual year, then why didn't you say that?
Your words CLEARLY stated 'from the time he signed on the dotted line'. When you say that, you say you meant 'each year'.
But how can someone with his numbers not be the best period in that time frame, if, there is no one with superior numbers over the same era?
You are wrong...talk about being owned! >>
Read my posts, axtell, it's there in black and white.
Here's just a few:
" He didn't come close to being the top in HRs in each of the past 5 years. It's about producing every year, not just an average..."
"To sign the richest deal in MLB history comes with the expectation to be the best player, performance wise, in the majors year in and year out. Has he done that consistantly every year for the past 5 years? Nope"
"He signed the richest contract in MLB history. $252,000,000 has a lot of zeros in there, doesn't it? He, by far, makes more money than ANYONE else every sinlge year. Has he been the best player in the majors every year for the past five years?"
"Being the highest paid player (and second only to David Beckham for highest paid by a team in the ENTIRE WORLD), should a fan expect nothing but greatness from him? Shouldn't they expect him to consistantly produce each time he comes up to the plate or make the play in the field?"
And that was just in my FIRST TWO REPLIES TO YOU!
Owned, again and again and again and again....
And stown, I'm done.
Please be done!
steve
<< <i>an hour ago axhole said:
And stown, I'm done.
Please be done!
steve >>
Nope, he's going to come back and say even though I specifically said it was each year, I really didn't.
Owned again and again and again and again....
you've been owned from the outset as I've asked you repeatedly for a list of players (hell, one) that Arod's not been better than for the past 5 years.
It's obvious that you are going to continue to insist that he's not the best player over the past 5 years by saying in individual years a player here or a player there had a better year.
When I hear someone say 'over the past 5 years' I am think the average of those 5 years. I can't look at a span of time in comparing numbers, I can't pick and choose single years...I compare the entire lumps of numbers averaged out over those 5 years.
What it seems you want to do is say that for him to have been worth it, he would have had to lead the league in BA, HR, RBI, every offensive category, win an MVP 5 straight years.
You instead want to say that in one year he wasn't producing enough RBI, another year not high enough batting average. I don't see how you can say a player isn't the best over 5 years, then want to pick apart individual years (and not the whole picture).
I am through discussing this with you. It's apparent you will go to any length to prove Arod's not the most dominant player based on aberrations, instead of appreciating the game's best player.
Later.
And to that, let us all say...
AMEN!
I just re read the thread from the beginning, *todays beginning at least and axholes first comment????
Monday July 10, 2006 12:26 PM (NEW!)
He's the best player in baseball not named Albert Pujols.
WTF? so basically he argued all day long stating that NO ONE was better then Arod, yet his very first post regarding this he claims Pujols is better!!
Steve
<< <i>Stown-
you've been owned from the outset as I've asked you repeatedly for a list of players (hell, one) that Arod's not been better than for the past 5 years.
It's obvious that you are going to continue to insist that he's not the best player over the past 5 years by saying in individual years a player here or a player there had a better year.
When I hear someone say 'over the past 5 years' I am think the average of those 5 years. I can't look at a span of time in comparing numbers, I can't pick and choose single years...I compare the entire lumps of numbers averaged out over those 5 years.
What it seems you want to do is say that for him to have been worth it, he would have had to lead the league in BA, HR, RBI, every offensive category, win an MVP 5 straight years.
You instead want to say that in one year he wasn't producing enough RBI, another year not high enough batting average. I don't see how you can say a player isn't the best over 5 years, then want to pick apart individual years (and not the whole picture).
I am through discussing this with you. It's apparent you will go to any length to prove Arod's not the most dominant player based on aberrations, instead of appreciating the game's best player.
Later. >>
Now that's funny. I predicted exactly what ax was going to say.
<< <i>Nope, he's going to come back and say even though I specifically said it was each year, I really didn't >>
Nope, never said the following in my first two responses to you:
" He didn't come close to being the top in HRs in each of the past 5 years. It's about producing every year, not just an average..."
"To sign the richest deal in MLB history comes with the expectation to be the best player, performance wise, in the majors year in and year out. Has he done that consistantly every year for the past 5 years? Nope"
"He signed the richest contract in MLB history. $252,000,000 has a lot of zeros in there, doesn't it? He, by far, makes more money than ANYONE else every sinlge year. Has he been the best player in the majors every year for the past five years?"
"Being the highest paid player (and second only to David Beckham for highest paid by a team in the ENTIRE WORLD), should a fan expect nothing but greatness from him? Shouldn't they expect him to consistantly produce each time he comes up to the plate or make the play in the field?"
I honestly believe you enjoy being owned.
That is your problem axhole. you think.
steve
This forum will forever be bush league with a virus like Axtell running wild poisoning many threads with his self proclaimed "facts" which more often then not are twisted truth and outright lies ..... and the moronic notion that he holds himself on some higher level because he thinks that he is special because of differing opinions then most.
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<< <i>Is there ANY way to get rid of this problem child (Axtell) already? He is 10 times worse then Gemmy 10 could ever be. I don't care what any of you guys say man .... Axtell stinks up this forum in a much worse way then Gemmy 10 could ever do with his spam.
This forum will forever be bush league with a virus like Axtell running wild poisoning many threads with his self proclaimed "facts" which more often then not are twisted truth and outright lies ..... and the moronic notion that he holds himself on some higher level because he thinks that he is special because of differing opinions then most. >>
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<< <i>Is there ANY way to get rid of this problem child (Axtell) already? He is 10 times worse then Gemmy 10 could ever be. I don't care what any of you guys say man .... Axtell stinks up this forum in a much worse way then Gemmy 10 could ever do with his spam.
This forum will forever be bush league with a virus like Axtell running wild poisoning many threads with his self proclaimed "facts" which more often then not are twisted truth and outright lies ..... and the moronic notion that he holds himself on some higher level because he thinks that he is special because of differing opinions then most. >>
But then you'd have uneducated people like myself here to dumb everyone down on a parttime basis!!!!
<< <i>So tell me why Damon gets a pass on this, while Arod got slammed for playing cards legally? >>
It's all about the image. A-Rod appears to be a straight-laced guy, no personality, goodie-two-shoes; Johnny is the kind of guy you want to hang out at a bar with. Throw a couple back and swap stories. He smokes pot every once in a while, big freakin deal. A-Rod playing in an illegal card game, especially with gambling being a huge no-no in baseball, is a big deal.
By the way, if you stopped bringing the card game up, people would forget about it.
Ironic.