<< <i>Axroid - your efforts in being the self appointed crusader to support the accomplishments of Alex Rodriquez are not needed. Go on to something else. He does not need you. On the flip side, you piss on Cal Ripken, A-Rod's mentor and idol. You don't know a whole lot about baseball. >>
I never pissed on Cal, I simply called his streak selfish...which, in the grand scheme of things, it was. >>
You perfectly illustrated you don't know about the Orioles in the time that Cal had his tenure. It wasn't selfish, just as Tejadas streak was not selfish.
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<< <i>So far Arods career can be summed up this way IMO.....In Seattle he was not the man. He had Griffey who was vastly superior along with Edgar to carry the team and he could fly under the radar. In Texas he played for a crap last place team where nobody cared and the games meant nothing...easy to pile up numbers and coast. Now in NY he is under the radar and the bright lights. He has never had to be the man, or play under scrutiny in meaningful games. His true character is showing through in his inabilty to handle stress and criticism. The more he looks stressed, the more he lets things get to him, and the more he makes excuses the more he will be looked at as a chump. As i said before, he is making Jeter look better by the day. His ego cant handle the fact that he isnt loved, and he is cracking because of it. >>
How can you say this after the monster year he had last year? Its apparent something is wrong this year, but he's had 2 years in ny (an MVP year among them), so it's not the bright lights that's getting to him...if that was the case, why didn't he suffer immediately, or even in year 2?
I don't buy into the whole 'pressure' or 'stress' causing the downturn year - simply a bad year. Everyone has them.
<< <i>Axhole - semantics - your forte. You pissed on Ripken. Tell me why you like him and feel he was a major contributor to MLB. >>
He was never a favorite of mine, but he had a good demeanor, was great with fans and never had off the field issues. He's a great ambassador to baseball, and he redefined what a shortstop should be.
That being said, no one will ever convince me that a player can play every day, 162 games a year, for the time that he did, and imply the team wouldn't have been better suited him sitting a game here or there. I don't care who you are - 162 games will grind you to hamburger.
Yes it was a fantastic accomplishment, but a very selfish one in my eyes.
So I guess all those old-timers that did it til their bodies collapsed were selfish too eh? Had Frank Thomas not broken his foot/ankle his streak would've kept going, Tejada had a monster streak going at the beginning of the season(unsure if he's missed a game this season) but are those guys selfish? Or is it simply, the team NEEDS them.
You say it's selfish, tell us who would've replaced Cal in the lineup? Go on now, your the resident "expert". Come on, out with it.
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Oh Axtellmeister - southsayer, sage and expert on everthing. I appreciate your fluffy comments about Cal Ripken. You are still uneducated on the game. Why don't you tell me exactly who the Oriole's could have put on the field that was better than a Cal Ripken playing with a minor injury. The guy was a throwback. He played with minor injuries. He took himself out when he felt he may hurt the team. He never got into any BS about playing an inning or getting an at bat to keep the streak alive. That's all in your mind.
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Ax, I dont think he had that monster of a year you make it out to be. Everyone and his brother hits 40 hrs these days. And, as I said before, he cant do it when he has to be the man. Last year he had a healthy Sheffield and Matsui along with the others, so he could be just one of the guys. Once he is called upon to be the man the pressure and magnitude of the responsibilty gets to him.
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<< <i>Ax, I dont think he had that monster of a year you make it out to be. Everyone and his brother hits 40 hrs these days. And, as I said before, he cant do it when he has to be the man. Last year he had a healthy Sheffield and Matsui along with the others, so he could be just one of the guys. Once he is called upon to be the man the pressure and magnitude of the responsibilty gets to him. >>
Plus A great season from Cano, Jete putting up as always, as well as Giambi with his comeback player of the year performance. This season was when A-Rod HAD to step up; he hasn't done that. Jeter on the other hand, well he's only batting 40 points+ above his career average.
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<< <i>So I guess all those old-timers that did it til their bodies collapsed were selfish too eh? >>
(1) they didnt play every single day and (2) the seasons weren't 162 games long.
<< <i>Had Frank Thomas not broken his foot/ankle his streak would've kept going, Tejada had a monster streak going at the beginning of the season(unsure if he's missed a game this season) but are those guys selfish? Or is it simply, the team NEEDS them. >>
Yes, honestly, I can't feel that through how much stress a season brings, that any one player is able to be the best bat or glove playing every single game. Sorry, its just me. I don't think its humanly possible.
<< <i>You say it's selfish, tell us who would've replaced Cal in the lineup? Go on now, your the resident "expert". Come on, out with it. >>
You're missing the point. I am saying every player is best served by days off here and there. Not saying he wasn't a great player, but to trot out there every day was selfish.
Well Axtell, that's why you do not understand or appreciate the magnitude of dedication that baseball players had to the game or their teams prior to this "modern era". They loved the game and went balls out everyday. Great players were anchored in baseball tradition and their teams. Not like today's open market for talent. We will not see this again. You should honor this, not question it.
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<< <i> You say it's selfish, tell us who would've replaced Cal in the lineup? Go on now, your the resident "expert". Come on, out with it. >>
Come on Ax, answer the question.
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It's apparent Cal's a favorite of yours...and I wasn't 'pissing' on the guy by saying his consecutive games streak was selfish...its my opinion, and I can't see how anyone short of superman is ready to play every single day and be 100%.
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why don't you stick a sock in it, ok? You never replied to my question about what it'd take for you to get off Arod's back, did you? As far as who would be a worthy replacement on the day he's got the flu, or a twisted ankle? ANYONE. Anyone would have been a better option as Cal wasn't 100% every single game, and it would have allowed him to be better rested and perform better for the next game.
I am sorry this is so difficult a concept for people to grasp, but there's a reason managers give players days off - they know that a day off here and there will keep that player fresher for the long ass season.
Please, don't bestow this 'old school' chit on me, either. It's a byproduct of the season being so incredibly long, and human nature to get knicked up, get illnesses. I wonder if the orioles had been any good for most of those years, if he still would have played? Or would the smart manager known to rest their players to keep them as good as possible for the postseason?
And looking at the raw numbers, one can see a dramatic dropoff in his numbers in the 2 years leading up to the end of the streak - going to sit there and tell me there wasn't a better bat on the bench when he was struggling through a slump either of those years?
One thing I didn't know until just now, but Cal travelled seperately from the team, and stayed in a seperate hotel as well...wow.
You never replied to my question about what it'd take for you to get off Arod's back, did you?
<< Like I've said time and time and time again Ax(can you read, because with you I do a lot of repeating). For me, I always hope he plays up to his abilities. I'm not asking for anymore than that and I doubt any real Yankee fan is. But when A-Rod came to the Yankees their was a HUGE discussion in sports circles of who should play third. The Yankees made the right move and A-Rod still hasn't made the right adjustments in his fielding and throwing.
Already answered the same old question you keep posting. Still didn't answer who you'd replace Cal in the Orioles lineup in. Come on pal, you "seem" to have all the answers. Answer the question, who would replace Cal in the lineup? Come on buddy. I have continued to answer your same question you pose about around(which is usually on a weekly basis), and you continue to bob and weave mine. Out with it, who would replace Cal in the lineup?
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FYI the Ripken streak has been debated for years. From his Dad being the manager for a while, playomg with the flu and injuries, to his overall numbers towards the end of the streak. Here is just one..lol
One of the most remarkable aspects of Ripken's most remarkable of streaks was that he started every game (i.e., no pinch-hitting, pinch-running, or late-inning defensive substitution appearances), voluntarily left a game before the seventh inning only four times (he was also ejected twice by umpires), and at one point played every single inning of every single game for over five years. In other words, Ripken didn't even come close to missing a game during his streak -- except, the legend above claims, for one day in August 1997, when Ripken was unable to make it to the park for that evening's scheduled game, and a mysterious malfunction in the lighting system (allegedly deliberately created by an Orioles employee) forced the cancellation of the game and thereby preserved Ripken's streak intact, a scheduled 14 August 1997 game between the Orioles and the Seattle Mariners.
Repub-Wow, that's crazy. I haven't heard about that, but I never really looked to far into Cal's streak. Interesting tidbit, makes ya go hmmmm.
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Well that is just ONCE it is still an amazing streak no to take anything away from him. But there has been much discussion about whether the streak was good for the team or not at some ponts. He never looked "hurt" out there.
Oh hey, I'm a Maryland native and although I was never a fan of the O's I have the utmost respect for Cal and what he brought to the game during his tenure.
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For someone to think that sitting ONE game here and there would make that much of a difference is just plain dumb. If a guy is hurt enough to be taking away from his performance and the team then one day off certainly wasnt going to be enough to heal.
As I mentioned earlier, Gehrig was hurt far worse during his streak then Ripken ever was. He acumulated 17 fractures in his hands alone during his streak. So if anything he hurt the Yankees worse than Ripken hurt the O's.
What Ripken and Gehrig did are tremendous accomplishments that should be admired and looked up to. To try and take away from either feat is just wrong.
Now, back on topic......Arod......another defensive gem last night. Im sure he would have made the play on that muffed grounder and subsequent poor throw if we had all been just a little bit nicer to him.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
But Arod got the game winning hit the night before last, yet all people want to do is crush him. It's absolutely assinine.
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to answer your question (again) ANYONE would have been better here and there, to give Cal a day off. His streak was selfish, and his team's chances at winning suffered as a direct result of his selfishness.
I am sorry you can't understand this very basic tenet of baseball - no one (and I mean NO one) is designed to play and be effective for 162 games. That is why managers of winning teams give their players days off here and there. It helps the team be a better team.
Now that I'm done answering your question (again), where was the praise for Arod getting the game winning hit, yet people are here crushing him about an error? Ridiculous.
Sorry I don't jump on someones d**k everytime they have a game winning hit. Sorry us Yankee fans don't praise A-Rod, he doesn't come through no where near as often as you'd like everyone to believe. I cheer for the guy, and I want him to continue to be a great player.
"to answer your question (again) ANYONE would have been better here and there, to give Cal a day off. His streak was selfish, and his team's chances at winning suffered as a direct result of his selfishness."
That's not answering the question you twit. Name someone smart guy, and show us how Cals streak hurt the team more than having him sit out.
Err-Rod leads all third basemen in Errors. I think with a salary of 25 million and the distinction of being "The best player on the Yankees"(or as you put it sometimes "In the majors"). Why can't you see that he has REGRESSED this season in every offensive and defensive catergory? Blind to the facts buddy. His time to stepup more than EVER was this season and he can't handle being the man. So, he's not.
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Ax, he didnt get the game winning hit. He got a weak opposite field pop up to the shortest fence in all of baseball that was a sac fly. If he needs credit for that then his stock is worth about as much as Enrons is worth right now.
The BEST player in baseball doesnt need to be given one shred of credit for a weak sac fly. If it was hit by ANYONE other than him it wouldnt be an afterthought, except by YOU, who would call it for what it was, a weak fly ball out.
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<< <i>Sorry I don't jump on someones d**k everytime they have a game winning hit. Sorry us Yankee fans don't praise A-Rod, he doesn't come through no where near as often as you'd like everyone to believe. I cheer for the guy, and I want him to continue to be a great player. >>
But you're sure willing to jump his chit whenever he messes up - hypocrite?
<< <i>That's not answering the question you twit. Name someone smart guy, and show us how Cals streak hurt the team more than having him sit out. >>
Good god yes I did. Any backup shortstop (or third baseman in the latter part of his career) would have been a better choice, as it would have allowed cal to rest and not press on through slumps, knicks, and illness. You think there's a reason why the Oriole teams were rarely competitive during Cal's streak? Hmm?
What about his numbers? 1987 bats .252? 1990 .250? He couldn't have used some time off during those years to heal up and swing a better bat? Get real.
<< <i>Err-Rod leads all third basemen in Errors. I think with a salary of 25 million and the distinction of being "The best player on the Yankees"(or as you put it sometimes "In the majors"). Why can't you see that he has REGRESSED this season in every offensive and defensive catergory? Blind to the facts buddy. His time to stepup more than EVER was this season and he can't handle being the man. So, he's not. >>
Jealous much? Where's the talk of unit's salary and how piss poor he's performed this year? Oh wait, only Arod is criticized. LAME.
<< <i>Ax, he didnt get the game winning hit. He got a weak opposite field pop up to the shortest fence in all of baseball that was a sac fly. If he needs credit for that then his stock is worth about as much as Enrons is worth right now. >>
Jesus christ you guys are unreal. Game winning RBI or not? Did his sac fly or did it not drive in the game winning run, the run that would be the difference in the game?
<< <i>The BEST player in baseball doesnt need to be given one shred of credit for a weak sac fly. If it was hit by ANYONE other than him it wouldnt be an afterthought, except by YOU, who would call it for what it was, a weak fly ball out. >>
But here's the thing: if he had struck out in that situation YOU and your ilk would be on his nuts about 'there he goes, choking again!'
Forget it, its painfully obvious that no matter what he does (even driving in the game winning run) he'll never be good enough in your eyes.
<< <i>Sorry I don't jump on someones d**k everytime they have a game winning hit. Sorry us Yankee fans don't praise A-Rod, he doesn't come through no where near as often as you'd like everyone to believe. . >>
Johnson has been criticized often on here and everywhere else. The difference, for at least the 40th time it has to be explained to you, is that Arod is supposed to be the BEST right now, in his prime, where Johnson is cleary at the end of his career. Expectations are not as high and rightfully so for Johnson as they are for Arod.
And again, the day the " BEST" player in the game needs a pat on the back and praise for fielding two ground balls and hitting a pop up sac fly is a sad day in baseball.
You are damn right if he struck out in that situation he would have been crapped on. The point was that he doesnt need to be praised for what he did. It is something that if anyone else in baseball did there would be no mention of it at all. Because his stock has fallen so greatly, and because there are so many people like you Ax, who make excuses for the guy that it even needed to be mentioned.
You want to kiss Arods a$$ for a sac fly, yet did you mention Jeter going 3-5 with a single, double, home run and 2 RBI's in the same game ? Isnt it you Ax who says it doesnt matter what point in the game the hits, home runs, and runs batted in come at ? Where is Jeters credit for his performance in the game ? Of course you didnt notice or care to mention it, you choose to thank Arod for a sac fly.
Im telling you pal, you really should have a job in politics. You can spin doctor anything to suit whoevers A$$ you feel like kissing.
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[q Good god yes I did. Any backup shortstop (or third baseman in the latter part of his career) would have been a better choice, as it would have allowed cal to rest and not press on through slumps, knicks, and illness. You think there's a reason why the Oriole teams were rarely competitive during Cal's streak? Hmm? . >>
"Now batting....Lenn Sakata kata kata"
Are you serious? Like taking a measley day off(in the midst of hundreds) is going to give the Orioles a better chance of winning with a Lenn Sakata in the lineup?? Ax, you are smoking something. A stud who can play every game gives his team a better chance of winning than a stud who needs to sit out 10 games a year(either for wimplike injury excuses ala Arod, or because a good pitcher is on the mound).
It doesn't make Cal Ripken selfish to want to play every inning if he knows the alternative is a guy like Lenn Sakata!! He is smart enough to know that a simple day off isn't going to do ANYTHING for that injury he has, or anything towards a mental break...because immediately when he starts playing those things come immediately back!
During the every inning of every game streak Cal did pretty good I believe. Both defensively and offensively. As he got older his bat became less potent, not because of the streak, but because that is how he became. Guys in the non juicing era didn't typically get better in their 30's.
Then you point out a couple of batting averages during the later part of his streak, but simply neglect that he had his best seasson in 1991.
The only thing with a semblence of truth to your statement is that later in his career his team could have a bat on the bench that could have been better in certain mathcups. But the notion that if he took a day off on June 2, 1987 that he would have been a better player for the rest of his career is stupid. That is basically what you are saying. He surely didnt' hurt his team before that time period and that is when he played every inning of every game, the meat of his streak.
So at what point was his pressing hurtin the 1984 Orioles? At what point would have Lenn Sakata been a better option? You say Cal was on losing teams because of his streak?? Why did the Orioles start to lose after '85? Their pitching was poor among other things. It wasn't because of his streak like you say. Your reasoning has to be some of the dumbest I have seen on this board, and that says a lot.
"Sakata steps to the plate, he is hitting .191, getting on base at a .221 clip, and slugging a nifty .255. Meanwhile Cal Ripken is taking a day off to stay sharp." Yeah, Ripken really struggled during his inning streak.
As if he isnt making enough errors on his own this year Arod has now taken it upon himself to be the cause of others around him making them. Tonight.....pop up to short, Jeters ball ( which of course he is known to handle pop ups very well) and what does Mr. Rodriguez do ?? He forgets he isnt a shortstop anymore, was out of position, not only gets in Jeters way but fails to listen or acknowledge Jeter who was clearly yelling and waving that he had the ball. Simple play, nothing confusing or difficult, but Arod stands right in the damn way, the ball drops, and JETER gets called for the error.
Please Alex, get a clue out there.
And a note to the official scorer of the game....what play were you watching and how the F$%# could you not give that error to Rodriguez ??
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what a crock...ball bounces out of Er-rod's glove onto the ground and Jeter gets an error.
........maybe they will start giving Jeter strikeouts when Er-rod wiffs now too.
after all, he is the bestest player in the whole wide world.
I heard the over/under for Er-rods wiff total this weekend is 13...looks like the book in Vegas knows a clown when they see one...wonder what the GIDP and LOB totals for him will be? I'll guess 4 and 19.
<< <i>what a crock...ball bounces out of Er-rod's glove onto the ground and Jeter gets an error. >>
I just saw the highlights of this, and wasn't it Jeter ranging over to where Arod was already positioned? The error deservedly went to Jeter. And what was up with that star down he gave him? I guess it sucks to make $19 million, be on the yankees at shortstop, and *still* be jealous of your third baseman? Really classless move on Jeter's part.
lol, you wish Ax. Sorry your boy hasn't fulfilled his chance of becoming the MAN in NY. To bad he will ALWAYS play second fiddle to Jete in NY. It just tears you up inside, don't it? Jete called it, he's the captain, and who DIDN'T catch it, Errod.
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<< <i>what a crock...ball bounces out of Er-rod's glove onto the ground and Jeter gets an error. >>
I just saw the highlights of this, and wasn't it Jeter ranging over to where Arod was already positioned? The error deservedly went to Jeter. And what was up with that star down he gave him? I guess it sucks to make $19 million, be on the yankees at shortstop, and *still* be jealous of your third baseman? Really classless move on Jeter's part. >>
The last thing on earth Derek Jeter is jealous of is Arod. Ax, this is one of those situations where your blind hatred for one man and blind love for another is completely clouding your judgement. It has been talked about over and over around here that it is the EXACT opposite. Arod is completely bothered by, and jealous of the love and popularity Jeter receives here in NY.
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<< <i>lol, you wish Ax. Sorry your boy hasn't fulfilled his chance of becoming the MAN in NY. To bad he will ALWAYS play second fiddle to Jete in NY. It just tears you up inside, don't it? Jete called it, he's the captain, and who DIDN'T catch it, Errod. >>
Jeter ranged into arod's territory and should have known his third baseman was there to make the play. I'd like to see any of you clowns make that play when you have some guy ranging out of position trying to show you up. Who is he trying to be, anyways, Kelly Leak?
And what's up with the glare he gave Arod after the play, and let the ball sit on the ground? What a petty display of jealousy.
So none of you yankee lover and jeter jock sniffers don't think jeter was in the wrong going over into Arod's territory trying to make a play?
Talk about blind hatred and love! You guys show it every day when you talk about Arod!
<< <i>lol, you wish Ax. Sorry your boy hasn't fulfilled his chance of becoming the MAN in NY. To bad he will ALWAYS play second fiddle to Jete in NY. It just tears you up inside, don't it? Jete called it, he's the captain, and who DIDN'T catch it, Errod. >>
Jeter ranged into arod's territory and should have known his third baseman was there to make the play. I'd like to see any of you clowns make that play when you have some guy ranging out of position trying to show you up. Who is he trying to be, anyways, Kelly Leak?
And what's up with the glare he gave Arod after the play, and let the ball sit on the ground? What a petty display of jealousy.
So none of you yankee lover and jeter jock sniffers don't think jeter was in the wrong going over into Arod's territory trying to make a play?
Talk about blind hatred and love! You guys show it every day when you talk about Arod! >>
Ax,
Here is how it works on a baseball field, since it is painfully obvious you have never played the game on any competative level....
A ball is in the air.....players have their heads up to follow the ball....if I player has a beat on the ball, he calls for it. If he calls for it, it is his ball. If you are looking to the sky you cant see who is where, so you rely on communication.
Arod stood there and didnt open his mouth. If he had the ball, he should have called. He DIDNT. Jeter was looking at the ball, called very clearly and loudly for it. It is at that point, since Arod made no effort to call for it, that he should have deferred to Jeter. Not a matter of opinion, that is how the game is played.
Oh, since I choose to take the managers word over yours, or even my own, here is a direct quote from Joe Torre on the play...
"The shortstop is the number one guy, then the second baseman, then the third baseman and the first baseman, that's the order of priority," Torre said. "If Jeter called it, then it's his and Alex didn't get out of the way."
So, in summary, NO, I do not think Jeter was in the wrong. He called for it, it is his ball, period. That is how the game has worked for over 100 years. Rodriguez doesnt have the first clue out there sometimes, and because his head was up his A$$ and didnt call it or defer to the player who did, it should have been him error, and it certainly was his fault.
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Here is how it works on a baseball field, since it is painfully obvious you have never played the game on any competative level.... >>
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Played plenty.
<< <i>A ball is in the air.....players have their heads up to follow the ball....if I player has a beat on the ball, he calls for it. If he calls for it, it is his ball. If you are looking to the sky you cant see who is where, so you rely on communication.
Arod stood there and didnt open his mouth. If he had the ball, he should have called. He DIDNT. Jeter was looking at the ball, called very clearly and loudly for it. It is at that point, since Arod made no effort to call for it, that he should have deferred to Jeter. Not a matter of opinion, that is how the game is played. >>
So please tell me how 'the captain' bettered his team by glaring down Arod instead of fielding the ball? Tell me how a leader attempts to berate his teammate in front of everyone in the stands? You save that crap for the dressing room, not the diamond. Totally classless call on his part.
<< <i>Oh, since I choose to take the managers word over yours, or even my own, here is a direct quote from Joe Torre on the play...
"The shortstop is the number one guy, then the second baseman, then the third baseman and the first baseman, that's the order of priority," Torre said. "If Jeter called it, then it's his and Alex didn't get out of the way."
So, in summary, NO, I do not think Jeter was in the wrong. He called for it, it is his ball, period. That is how the game has worked for over 100 years. Rodriguez doesnt have the first clue out there sometimes, and because his head was up his A$$ and didnt call it or defer to the player who did, it should have been him error, and it certainly was his fault. >>
Hmm seems the official scorer agrees with me that Jeter was in the wrong, and he was the cause of the error.
How come no yankee fan has commented on Jeter's lack of professionalism on this play?
I can't believe how much you are HYPING this Ax. Really, you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. This was just about a non story even in NY. Ax, if you are really trying to find stuff to knock Jeter you really need to get some better ammo brother
Because you are the only one who sees any lack of professionalism.
Because you hate Jeter, and love Arod.
And the official scorer was wrong. The announcers agreed. The manager agreed. The players agreed. Sometimes they get the call wrong. Enough said.
By the way, if you played the game and understood the rules of how it is played on the field you wouldnt be having these questions. It shows when you ask what you ask that you dont know how the game is played on the field. No more on this from me, i have said all there is to say, Arod was wrong and had his head up his a$$ as usual. Not one person besides you is having trouble recognizing how the play is to be made on the field.
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It's not a matter of 'hating' Jeter, but his staring down Arod ON THE FIELD is what I take issues with.
He is 'the captain', and, as such, he has certain responsibilities - you are the supposed team leader, you don't let personal crap show through on the field. If you're upset with the way he's been playing, with his fielding issues, with his lackluster plate production, you bring it up behind closed doors - NOT on the field.
We all know if these roles had been reversed, that you'd be saying the same exact things that I am.
It should be well known by now that Jeter takes great delight in the struggles of A-Rod ever since that GQ article where A-Rod was quoted as saying that opposing teams fear guys like Bernie and not Jeter when they play against the Yankees.
After the game in question, Jeter was seen laughing on his way out of the clubhouse by several beat reporters when he noticed how A-Rod was being grilled over that fielding snafu.
I guess you can understand why Jeter may still harbor a grudge over what another player thinks and has said about him (see Shaq & Kobe, etc.) but as captain of the Yankees (a role that should come with great responsibility) he ought to do a better job at keeping his personal feelings towards the guy less obvious.
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<< <i>It should be well known by now that Jeter takes great delight in the struggles of A-Rod ever since that GQ article where A-Rod was quoted as saying that opposing teams fear guys like Bernie and not Jeter when they play against the Yankees.
After the game in question, Jeter was seen laughing on his way out of the clubhouse by several beat reporters when he noticed how A-Rod was being grilled over that fielding snafu.
I guess you can understand why Jeter may still harbor a grudge over what another player thinks and has said about him (see Shaq & Kobe, etc.) but as captain of the Yankees (a role that should come with great responsibility) he ought to do a better job at keeping his personal feelings towards the guy less obvious. >>
Less obvious ?? Better job ??
Jeter has not said one negative word about Arod or any other player in his 11 seasons. Nobody does a better job of leading and of diplomacy.
Those supposed reporters who saw Jeter laughing might just be looking for a story to fuel the fire. How do they have a clue what he was laughing about if he was even really laughing ? Talk about nonsensical hearsay.
In the end, Jeter is the one who has handled everything in his year in NY. Jeter has shown nothing but 100% class for 11 seasons. Jeter even took the high road after Arod bashed him years ago.
Arod on the other had made those public comments bashing Jeter, and since coming to NY has shown nothing. He has shown he cant handle the pressure, the media, the fans, the spotlight, criticism, or the fact that he isnt number one. His insecurity and jealousy are causing every ounce of his poor play. It is not anyones fauly but his own. For someone to put one shred of blame on Jeter for Arods shortcomings is insane.
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Sorry, bri, but if you don't think that Jeter has many issues with A-rod because of the history between them, then you don't know much about either one of these players and where they're coming from. I'm not saying that Jeter should be a cheerleader for A-rod or hold his hand, but it's quite apparent that there is no love lost between them. Is that a bad thing? I don't know, but it is what it is, and for you to refute my assertions reveals a lack of objectivity on your part.
And come on, let's tone down the rhetoric here. Arod has shown nothing since coming to NY?? The guy won the MVP Award last year and he's hitting close to .300 now with 90 RBI. C'mon, man, let's not exaggerate because he's not a true "Yankee" ok?
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If jeter was such a professional, then what the hell was up with that glare to Arod as the ball lay on the ground?
Again, this is the basis of my problem with this. jeter wants to be the captain, but wants to belittle Arod by trying to stare him down on the field? Absolutely classless.
<< <i>And come on, let's tone down the rhetoric here. Arod has shown nothing since coming to NY?? The guy won the MVP Award last year and he's hitting close to .300 now with 90 RBI. C'mon, man, let's not exaggerate because he's not a true "Yankee" ok? >>
These so-called yankee fans who hate Arod are out of their minds, as they continue to push the 'he's done nothing in NY!' hype to the max. They will refute the MVP award by saying he didn't deserve it, that he wasn't clutch (though they can't say what exactly that means, or what Arod would have to do to prove himself as a yankee).
Arod is the one who has handled himself with utmost class since coming to NY - no negativity, no asking the press and so-called 'fans' to back off, nothing, all he does is goes out and battles his ass off every single day. First one in the gym every single morning, always has been.
Arod could win more MVPs and it still wouldn't matter to these ungrateful 'fans' - they want someone to hang in NY for their inability to win world series - who better than the highest paid player in the league? Instead of looking at the guy putting the horrible pitching staff together year after year.
Let's not forget, jeter's been in NY the last 5 years the yanks haven't won the world series, arod's been there 2+. But Arod is somehow to blame for this drought?
<< <i>Sorry, bri, but if you don't think that Jeter has many issues with A-rod because of the history between them, then you don't know much about either one of these players and where they're coming from. I'm not saying that Jeter should be a cheerleader for A-rod or hold his hand, but it's quite apparent that there is no love lost between them. Is that a bad thing? I don't know, but it is what it is, and for you to refute my assertions reveals a lack of objectivity on your part.
And come on, let's tone down the rhetoric here. Arod has shown nothing since coming to NY?? The guy won the MVP Award last year and he's hitting close to .300 now with 90 RBI. C'mon, man, let's not exaggerate because he's not a true "Yankee" ok? >>
Did I say that Jeter doesnt have issues ? I most definately feel that he does, and rightfully so after Arod openly bashed him while they were friends. What I DID say was that Jeter has taken the high road and kept it to himself the entire time.
I refuted your assertion that Jeter PUBLICLY shows his lack of love for Arod. I refuted that im laughing had something to do with Arod being questioned by reporters. I definately did not in any way refute your assertion that Jeter doesnt like the guy. Not you me, or any beat reporter knows why Jeter was seen laughing. In any case, he hasnt said one negative word about him or anyone else publicly, EVER.
Now in case that wasnt clear enough, let me summarize. I agree Jeter has a problem with Arod. I feel he has a right to. I merely was pointing out that he has never used a public forum to voice him feelings.
And I will still say that Arod has shown nothing but being an overrated slugger who will hit close to his 40 hrs a yr, strike out far too often, play horrendous defense, and show no leadership, resolve, guts, or baseball intelligence on the field.
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Now in case that wasnt clear enough, let me summarize. I agree Jeter has a problem with Arod. I feel he has a right to. I merely was pointing out that he has never used a public forum to voice him feelings.
And I thought only RichG was the pompous one. You guys have much in common, after all!
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<< <i>Did I say that Jeter doesnt have issues ? I most definately feel that he does, and rightfully so after Arod openly bashed him while they were friends. What I DID say was that Jeter has taken the high road and kept it to himself the entire time. >>
Except for that pop up where he felt the need to stare Arod down ON THE FIELD. Classless.
<< <i> And I will still say that Arod has shown nothing but being an overrated slugger who will hit close to his 40 hrs a yr, strike out far too often, play horrendous defense, and show no leadership, resolve, guts, or baseball intelligence on the field. >>
You're absolutely ignorant if you honestly feel this to be true.
<< <i>Now in case that wasnt clear enough, let me summarize. I agree Jeter has a problem with Arod. I feel he has a right to. I merely was pointing out that he has never used a public forum to voice him feelings.
And I thought only RichG was the pompous one. You guys have much in common, after all! >>
Ok, I am the pompous one ? You called me out on 3 different occasions in your last post for not admitting Jeter had a problem with Arod, when you were clearly wrong. Not once did I say Jeter didnt have a problem with Arod like you claimed I did.
I simply had a problem with you saying Jeter should do a better job of keeping his personal feelings to himself. I felt that was extremely off base, and just plain wrong. Jeter is one of the best this sport and any other has ever seen as keeping out of personal issues and keeping things to himself. You called him out as having a problem with keeping personal issues to himself because of supposed laughing while leaving the clubhouse. Do you honestly feel that is enough to call him out as a person who does a poor job of keeping things to himself ?
Remember Grote, you were the one who questioned me first, and didnt even get the gist of what I was saying correct. So was I just supposed to have you tell me in a forum that I " dont know much about either of these players " or that I " refute your assertions "
I responded accordingly, by telling you how I absolutely 100% understand and agree that Jeter has a problem with Arod and explained why I think he has every right to.
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And BTW Grote, comparing me to RichG shows you really do not know too much about me or who I am. Secondly, it is an obvious attempt at stirring something up. I take that as a harsh and uncalled for insult, especially from someone who hasnt been on here long enough to have a clue about who I am.
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<< <i>Axroid - your efforts in being the self appointed crusader to support the accomplishments of Alex Rodriquez are not needed. Go on to something else. He does not need you. On the flip side, you piss on Cal Ripken, A-Rod's mentor and idol. You don't know a whole lot about baseball. >>
I never pissed on Cal, I simply called his streak selfish...which, in the grand scheme of things, it was. >>
You perfectly illustrated you don't know about the Orioles in the time that Cal had his tenure. It wasn't selfish, just as Tejadas streak was not selfish.
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<< <i>So far Arods career can be summed up this way IMO.....In Seattle he was not the man. He had Griffey who was vastly superior along with Edgar to carry the team and he could fly under the radar. In Texas he played for a crap last place team where nobody cared and the games meant nothing...easy to pile up numbers and coast. Now in NY he is under the radar and the bright lights. He has never had to be the man, or play under scrutiny in meaningful games. His true character is showing through in his inabilty to handle stress and criticism. The more he looks stressed, the more he lets things get to him, and the more he makes excuses the more he will be looked at as a chump. As i said before, he is making Jeter look better by the day. His ego cant handle the fact that he isnt loved, and he is cracking because of it. >>
How can you say this after the monster year he had last year? Its apparent something is wrong this year, but he's had 2 years in ny (an MVP year among them), so it's not the bright lights that's getting to him...if that was the case, why didn't he suffer immediately, or even in year 2?
I don't buy into the whole 'pressure' or 'stress' causing the downturn year - simply a bad year. Everyone has them.
<< <i>Axhole - semantics - your forte. You pissed on Ripken. Tell me why you like him and feel he was a major contributor to MLB. >>
He was never a favorite of mine, but he had a good demeanor, was great with fans and never had off the field issues. He's a great ambassador to baseball, and he redefined what a shortstop should be.
That being said, no one will ever convince me that a player can play every day, 162 games a year, for the time that he did, and imply the team wouldn't have been better suited him sitting a game here or there. I don't care who you are - 162 games will grind you to hamburger.
Yes it was a fantastic accomplishment, but a very selfish one in my eyes.
You say it's selfish, tell us who would've replaced Cal in the lineup? Go on now, your the resident "expert". Come on, out with it.
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I appreciate your fluffy comments about Cal Ripken. You are still uneducated on the game. Why don't you tell me exactly who the Oriole's could have put on the field that was better than a Cal Ripken playing with a minor injury. The guy was a throwback. He played with minor injuries. He took himself out when he felt he may hurt the team. He never got into any BS about playing an inning or getting an at bat to keep the streak alive. That's all in your mind.
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<< <i>Ax, I dont think he had that monster of a year you make it out to be. Everyone and his brother hits 40 hrs these days. And, as I said before, he cant do it when he has to be the man. Last year he had a healthy Sheffield and Matsui along with the others, so he could be just one of the guys. Once he is called upon to be the man the pressure and magnitude of the responsibilty gets to him. >>
Plus A great season from Cano, Jete putting up as always, as well as Giambi with his comeback player of the year performance. This season was when A-Rod HAD to step up; he hasn't done that. Jeter on the other hand, well he's only batting 40 points+ above his career average.
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<< <i>So I guess all those old-timers that did it til their bodies collapsed were selfish too eh? >>
(1) they didnt play every single day and (2) the seasons weren't 162 games long.
<< <i>Had Frank Thomas not broken his foot/ankle his streak would've kept going, Tejada had a monster streak going at the beginning of the season(unsure if he's missed a game this season) but are those guys selfish? Or is it simply, the team NEEDS them. >>
Yes, honestly, I can't feel that through how much stress a season brings, that any one player is able to be the best bat or glove playing every single game. Sorry, its just me. I don't think its humanly possible.
<< <i>You say it's selfish, tell us who would've replaced Cal in the lineup? Go on now, your the resident "expert". Come on, out with it. >>
You're missing the point. I am saying every player is best served by days off here and there. Not saying he wasn't a great player, but to trot out there every day was selfish.
We will not see this again. You should honor this, not question it.
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You say it's selfish, tell us who would've replaced Cal in the lineup? Go on now, your the resident "expert". Come on, out with it. >>
Come on Ax, answer the question.
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It's apparent Cal's a favorite of yours...and I wasn't 'pissing' on the guy by saying his consecutive games streak was selfish...its my opinion, and I can't see how anyone short of superman is ready to play every single day and be 100%.
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why don't you stick a sock in it, ok? You never replied to my question about what it'd take for you to get off Arod's back, did you? As far as who would be a worthy replacement on the day he's got the flu, or a twisted ankle? ANYONE. Anyone would have been a better option as Cal wasn't 100% every single game, and it would have allowed him to be better rested and perform better for the next game.
I am sorry this is so difficult a concept for people to grasp, but there's a reason managers give players days off - they know that a day off here and there will keep that player fresher for the long ass season.
Please, don't bestow this 'old school' chit on me, either. It's a byproduct of the season being so incredibly long, and human nature to get knicked up, get illnesses. I wonder if the orioles had been any good for most of those years, if he still would have played? Or would the smart manager known to rest their players to keep them as good as possible for the postseason?
And looking at the raw numbers, one can see a dramatic dropoff in his numbers in the 2 years leading up to the end of the streak - going to sit there and tell me there wasn't a better bat on the bench when he was struggling through a slump either of those years?
One thing I didn't know until just now, but Cal travelled seperately from the team, and stayed in a seperate hotel as well...wow.
You never replied to my question about what it'd take for you to get off Arod's back, did you?
<< Like I've said time and time and time again Ax(can you read, because with you I do a lot of repeating). For me, I always hope he plays up to his abilities. I'm not asking for anymore than that and I doubt any real Yankee fan is. But when A-Rod came to the Yankees their was a HUGE discussion in sports circles of who should play third. The Yankees made the right move and A-Rod still hasn't made the right adjustments in his fielding and throwing.
Already answered the same old question you keep posting. Still didn't answer who you'd replace Cal in the Orioles lineup in. Come on pal, you "seem" to have all the answers. Answer the question, who would replace Cal in the lineup? Come on buddy. I have continued to answer your same question you pose about around(which is usually on a weekly basis), and you continue to bob and weave mine. Out with it, who would replace Cal in the lineup?
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One of the most remarkable aspects of Ripken's most remarkable of streaks was that he started every game (i.e., no pinch-hitting, pinch-running, or late-inning defensive substitution appearances), voluntarily left a game before the seventh inning only four times (he was also ejected twice by umpires), and at one point played every single inning of every single game for over five years. In other words, Ripken didn't even come close to missing a game during his streak -- except, the legend above claims, for one day in August 1997, when Ripken was unable to make it to the park for that evening's scheduled game, and a mysterious malfunction in the lighting system (allegedly deliberately created by an Orioles employee) forced the cancellation of the game and thereby preserved Ripken's streak intact, a scheduled 14 August 1997 game between the Orioles and the Seattle Mariners.
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As I mentioned earlier, Gehrig was hurt far worse during his streak then Ripken ever was. He acumulated 17 fractures in his hands alone during his streak. So if anything he hurt the Yankees worse than Ripken hurt the O's.
What Ripken and Gehrig did are tremendous accomplishments that should be admired and looked up to. To try and take away from either feat is just wrong.
Now, back on topic......Arod......another defensive gem last night. Im sure he would have made the play on that muffed grounder and subsequent poor throw if we had all been just a little bit nicer to him.
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to answer your question (again) ANYONE would have been better here and there, to give Cal a day off. His streak was selfish, and his team's chances at winning suffered as a direct result of his selfishness.
I am sorry you can't understand this very basic tenet of baseball - no one (and I mean NO one) is designed to play and be effective for 162 games. That is why managers of winning teams give their players days off here and there. It helps the team be a better team.
Now that I'm done answering your question (again), where was the praise for Arod getting the game winning hit, yet people are here crushing him about an error? Ridiculous.
"to answer your question (again) ANYONE would have been better here and there, to give Cal a day off. His streak was selfish, and his team's chances at winning suffered as a direct result of his selfishness."
That's not answering the question you twit. Name someone smart guy, and show us how Cals streak hurt the team more than having him sit out.
Err-Rod leads all third basemen in Errors. I think with a salary of 25 million and the distinction of being "The best player on the Yankees"(or as you put it sometimes "In the majors"). Why can't you see that he has REGRESSED this season in every offensive and defensive catergory? Blind to the facts buddy. His time to stepup more than EVER was this season and he can't handle being the man. So, he's not.
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The BEST player in baseball doesnt need to be given one shred of credit for a weak sac fly. If it was hit by ANYONE other than him it wouldnt be an afterthought, except by YOU, who would call it for what it was, a weak fly ball out.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>Sorry I don't jump on someones d**k everytime they have a game winning hit. Sorry us Yankee fans don't praise A-Rod, he doesn't come through no where near as often as you'd like everyone to believe. I cheer for the guy, and I want him to continue to be a great player. >>
But you're sure willing to jump his chit whenever he messes up - hypocrite?
<< <i>That's not answering the question you twit. Name someone smart guy, and show us how Cals streak hurt the team more than having him sit out. >>
Good god yes I did. Any backup shortstop (or third baseman in the latter part of his career) would have been a better choice, as it would have allowed cal to rest and not press on through slumps, knicks, and illness. You think there's a reason why the Oriole teams were rarely competitive during Cal's streak? Hmm?
What about his numbers? 1987 bats .252? 1990 .250? He couldn't have used some time off during those years to heal up and swing a better bat? Get real.
<< <i>Err-Rod leads all third basemen in Errors. I think with a salary of 25 million and the distinction of being "The best player on the Yankees"(or as you put it sometimes "In the majors"). Why can't you see that he has REGRESSED this season in every offensive and defensive catergory? Blind to the facts buddy. His time to stepup more than EVER was this season and he can't handle being the man. So, he's not. >>
Jealous much? Where's the talk of unit's salary and how piss poor he's performed this year? Oh wait, only Arod is criticized. LAME.
<< <i>Ax, he didnt get the game winning hit. He got a weak opposite field pop up to the shortest fence in all of baseball that was a sac fly. If he needs credit for that then his stock is worth about as much as Enrons is worth right now. >>
Jesus christ you guys are unreal. Game winning RBI or not? Did his sac fly or did it not drive in the game winning run, the run that would be the difference in the game?
<< <i>The BEST player in baseball doesnt need to be given one shred of credit for a weak sac fly. If it was hit by ANYONE other than him it wouldnt be an afterthought, except by YOU, who would call it for what it was, a weak fly ball out. >>
But here's the thing: if he had struck out in that situation YOU and your ilk would be on his nuts about 'there he goes, choking again!'
Forget it, its painfully obvious that no matter what he does (even driving in the game winning run) he'll never be good enough in your eyes.
I'm done here.
<< <i>Sorry I don't jump on someones d**k everytime they have a game winning hit. Sorry us Yankee fans don't praise A-Rod, he doesn't come through no where near as often as you'd like everyone to believe. . >>
Like Papi!
And again, the day the " BEST" player in the game needs a pat on the back and praise for fielding two ground balls and hitting a pop up sac fly is a sad day in baseball.
You are damn right if he struck out in that situation he would have been crapped on. The point was that he doesnt need to be praised for what he did. It is something that if anyone else in baseball did there would be no mention of it at all. Because his stock has fallen so greatly, and because there are so many people like you Ax, who make excuses for the guy that it even needed to be mentioned.
You want to kiss Arods a$$ for a sac fly, yet did you mention Jeter going 3-5 with a single, double, home run and 2 RBI's in the same game ? Isnt it you Ax who says it doesnt matter what point in the game the hits, home runs, and runs batted in come at ? Where is Jeters credit for his performance in the game ? Of course you didnt notice or care to mention it, you choose to thank Arod for a sac fly.
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Good god yes I did. Any backup shortstop (or third baseman in the latter part of his career) would have been a better choice, as it would have allowed cal to rest and not press on through slumps, knicks, and illness. You think there's a reason why the Oriole teams were rarely competitive during Cal's streak? Hmm?
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"Now batting....Lenn Sakata kata kata"
Are you serious? Like taking a measley day off(in the midst of hundreds) is going to give the Orioles a better chance of winning with a Lenn Sakata in the lineup?? Ax, you are smoking something. A stud who can play every game gives his team a better chance of winning than a stud who needs to sit out 10 games a year(either for wimplike injury excuses ala Arod, or because a good pitcher is on the mound).
It doesn't make Cal Ripken selfish to want to play every inning if he knows the alternative is a guy like Lenn Sakata!! He is smart enough to know that a simple day off isn't going to do ANYTHING for that injury he has, or anything towards a mental break...because immediately when he starts playing those things come immediately back!
During the every inning of every game streak Cal did pretty good I believe. Both defensively and offensively. As he got older his bat became less potent, not because of the streak, but because that is how he became. Guys in the non juicing era didn't typically get better in their 30's.
Then you point out a couple of batting averages during the later part of his streak, but simply neglect that he had his best seasson in 1991.
The only thing with a semblence of truth to your statement is that later in his career his team could have a bat on the bench that could have been better in certain mathcups. But the notion that if he took a day off on June 2, 1987 that he would have been a better player for the rest of his career is stupid. That is basically what you are saying. He surely didnt' hurt his team before that time period and that is when he played every inning of every game, the meat of his streak.
So at what point was his pressing hurtin the 1984 Orioles? At what point would have Lenn Sakata been a better option? You say Cal was on losing teams because of his streak?? Why did the Orioles start to lose after '85? Their pitching was poor among other things. It wasn't because of his streak like you say. Your reasoning has to be some of the dumbest I have seen on this board, and that says a lot.
"Sakata steps to the plate, he is hitting .191, getting on base at a .221 clip, and slugging a nifty .255. Meanwhile Cal Ripken is taking a day off to stay sharp." Yeah, Ripken really struggled during his inning streak.
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Please Alex, get a clue out there.
And a note to the official scorer of the game....what play were you watching and how the F$%# could you not give that error to Rodriguez ??
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........maybe they will start giving Jeter strikeouts when Er-rod wiffs now too.
after all, he is the bestest player in the whole wide world.
I heard the over/under for Er-rods wiff total this weekend is 13...looks like the book in Vegas knows a clown when they see one...wonder what the GIDP and LOB totals for him will be? I'll guess 4 and 19.
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<< <i>what a crock...ball bounces out of Er-rod's glove onto the ground and Jeter gets an error. >>
I just saw the highlights of this, and wasn't it Jeter ranging over to where Arod was already positioned? The error deservedly went to Jeter. And what was up with that star down he gave him? I guess it sucks to make $19 million, be on the yankees at shortstop, and *still* be jealous of your third baseman? Really classless move on Jeter's part.
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<< <i>what a crock...ball bounces out of Er-rod's glove onto the ground and Jeter gets an error. >>
I just saw the highlights of this, and wasn't it Jeter ranging over to where Arod was already positioned? The error deservedly went to Jeter. And what was up with that star down he gave him? I guess it sucks to make $19 million, be on the yankees at shortstop, and *still* be jealous of your third baseman? Really classless move on Jeter's part. >>
The last thing on earth Derek Jeter is jealous of is Arod. Ax, this is one of those situations where your blind hatred for one man and blind love for another is completely clouding your judgement. It has been talked about over and over around here that it is the EXACT opposite. Arod is completely bothered by, and jealous of the love and popularity Jeter receives here in NY.
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<< <i>lol, you wish Ax. Sorry your boy hasn't fulfilled his chance of becoming the MAN in NY. To bad he will ALWAYS play second fiddle to Jete in NY. It just tears you up inside, don't it? Jete called it, he's the captain, and who DIDN'T catch it, Errod. >>
Jeter ranged into arod's territory and should have known his third baseman was there to make the play. I'd like to see any of you clowns make that play when you have some guy ranging out of position trying to show you up. Who is he trying to be, anyways, Kelly Leak?
And what's up with the glare he gave Arod after the play, and let the ball sit on the ground? What a petty display of jealousy.
So none of you yankee lover and jeter jock sniffers don't think jeter was in the wrong going over into Arod's territory trying to make a play?
Talk about blind hatred and love! You guys show it every day when you talk about Arod!
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<< <i>lol, you wish Ax. Sorry your boy hasn't fulfilled his chance of becoming the MAN in NY. To bad he will ALWAYS play second fiddle to Jete in NY. It just tears you up inside, don't it? Jete called it, he's the captain, and who DIDN'T catch it, Errod. >>
Jeter ranged into arod's territory and should have known his third baseman was there to make the play. I'd like to see any of you clowns make that play when you have some guy ranging out of position trying to show you up. Who is he trying to be, anyways, Kelly Leak?
And what's up with the glare he gave Arod after the play, and let the ball sit on the ground? What a petty display of jealousy.
So none of you yankee lover and jeter jock sniffers don't think jeter was in the wrong going over into Arod's territory trying to make a play?
Talk about blind hatred and love! You guys show it every day when you talk about Arod! >>
Ax,
Here is how it works on a baseball field, since it is painfully obvious you have never played the game on any competative level....
A ball is in the air.....players have their heads up to follow the ball....if I player has a beat on the ball, he calls for it. If he calls for it, it is his ball. If you are looking to the sky you cant see who is where, so you rely on communication.
Arod stood there and didnt open his mouth. If he had the ball, he should have called. He DIDNT. Jeter was looking at the ball, called very clearly and loudly for it. It is at that point, since Arod made no effort to call for it, that he should have deferred to Jeter. Not a matter of opinion, that is how the game is played.
Oh, since I choose to take the managers word over yours, or even my own, here is a direct quote from Joe Torre on the play...
"The shortstop is the number one guy, then the second baseman, then the third baseman and the first baseman, that's the order of priority," Torre said. "If Jeter called it, then it's his and Alex didn't get out of the way."
So, in summary, NO, I do not think Jeter was in the wrong. He called for it, it is his ball, period. That is how the game has worked for over 100 years. Rodriguez doesnt have the first clue out there sometimes, and because his head was up his A$$ and didnt call it or defer to the player who did, it should have been him error, and it certainly was his fault.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>Ax,
Here is how it works on a baseball field, since it is painfully obvious you have never played the game on any competative level....
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Played plenty.
<< <i>A ball is in the air.....players have their heads up to follow the ball....if I player has a beat on the ball, he calls for it. If he calls for it, it is his ball. If you are looking to the sky you cant see who is where, so you rely on communication.
Arod stood there and didnt open his mouth. If he had the ball, he should have called. He DIDNT. Jeter was looking at the ball, called very clearly and loudly for it. It is at that point, since Arod made no effort to call for it, that he should have deferred to Jeter. Not a matter of opinion, that is how the game is played.
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So please tell me how 'the captain' bettered his team by glaring down Arod instead of fielding the ball? Tell me how a leader attempts to berate his teammate in front of everyone in the stands? You save that crap for the dressing room, not the diamond. Totally classless call on his part.
<< <i>Oh, since I choose to take the managers word over yours, or even my own, here is a direct quote from Joe Torre on the play...
"The shortstop is the number one guy, then the second baseman, then the third baseman and the first baseman, that's the order of priority," Torre said. "If Jeter called it, then it's his and Alex didn't get out of the way."
So, in summary, NO, I do not think Jeter was in the wrong. He called for it, it is his ball, period. That is how the game has worked for over 100 years. Rodriguez doesnt have the first clue out there sometimes, and because his head was up his A$$ and didnt call it or defer to the player who did, it should have been him error, and it certainly was his fault. >>
Hmm seems the official scorer agrees with me that Jeter was in the wrong, and he was the cause of the error.
How come no yankee fan has commented on Jeter's lack of professionalism on this play?
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Because you hate Jeter, and love Arod.
And the official scorer was wrong. The announcers agreed. The manager agreed. The players agreed. Sometimes they get the call wrong. Enough said.
By the way, if you played the game and understood the rules of how it is played on the field you wouldnt be having these questions. It shows when you ask what you ask that you dont know how the game is played on the field. No more on this from me, i have said all there is to say, Arod was wrong and had his head up his a$$ as usual. Not one person besides you is having trouble recognizing how the play is to be made on the field.
-- Yogi Berra
He is 'the captain', and, as such, he has certain responsibilities - you are the supposed team leader, you don't let personal crap show through on the field. If you're upset with the way he's been playing, with his fielding issues, with his lackluster plate production, you bring it up behind closed doors - NOT on the field.
We all know if these roles had been reversed, that you'd be saying the same exact things that I am.
After the game in question, Jeter was seen laughing on his way out of the clubhouse by several beat reporters when he noticed how A-Rod was being grilled over that fielding snafu.
I guess you can understand why Jeter may still harbor a grudge over what another player thinks and has said about him (see Shaq & Kobe, etc.) but as captain of the Yankees (a role that should come with great responsibility) he ought to do a better job at keeping his personal feelings towards the guy less obvious.
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<< <i>It should be well known by now that Jeter takes great delight in the struggles of A-Rod ever since that GQ article where A-Rod was quoted as saying that opposing teams fear guys like Bernie and not Jeter when they play against the Yankees.
After the game in question, Jeter was seen laughing on his way out of the clubhouse by several beat reporters when he noticed how A-Rod was being grilled over that fielding snafu.
I guess you can understand why Jeter may still harbor a grudge over what another player thinks and has said about him (see Shaq & Kobe, etc.) but as captain of the Yankees (a role that should come with great responsibility) he ought to do a better job at keeping his personal feelings towards the guy less obvious. >>
Less obvious ?? Better job ??
Jeter has not said one negative word about Arod or any other player in his 11 seasons. Nobody does a better job of leading and of diplomacy.
Those supposed reporters who saw Jeter laughing might just be looking for a story to fuel the fire. How do they have a clue what he was laughing about if he was even really laughing ? Talk about nonsensical hearsay.
In the end, Jeter is the one who has handled everything in his year in NY. Jeter has shown nothing but 100% class for 11 seasons. Jeter even took the high road after Arod bashed him years ago.
Arod on the other had made those public comments bashing Jeter, and since coming to NY has shown nothing. He has shown he cant handle the pressure, the media, the fans, the spotlight, criticism, or the fact that he isnt number one. His insecurity and jealousy are causing every ounce of his poor play. It is not anyones fauly but his own. For someone to put one shred of blame on Jeter for Arods shortcomings is insane.
-- Yogi Berra
And come on, let's tone down the rhetoric here. Arod has shown nothing since coming to NY?? The guy won the MVP Award last year and he's hitting close to .300 now with 90 RBI. C'mon, man, let's not exaggerate because he's not a true "Yankee" ok?
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Again, this is the basis of my problem with this. jeter wants to be the captain, but wants to belittle Arod by trying to stare him down on the field? Absolutely classless.
<< <i>And come on, let's tone down the rhetoric here. Arod has shown nothing since coming to NY?? The guy won the MVP Award last year and he's hitting close to .300 now with 90 RBI. C'mon, man, let's not exaggerate because he's not a true "Yankee" ok? >>
These so-called yankee fans who hate Arod are out of their minds, as they continue to push the 'he's done nothing in NY!' hype to the max. They will refute the MVP award by saying he didn't deserve it, that he wasn't clutch (though they can't say what exactly that means, or what Arod would have to do to prove himself as a yankee).
Arod is the one who has handled himself with utmost class since coming to NY - no negativity, no asking the press and so-called 'fans' to back off, nothing, all he does is goes out and battles his ass off every single day. First one in the gym every single morning, always has been.
Arod could win more MVPs and it still wouldn't matter to these ungrateful 'fans' - they want someone to hang in NY for their inability to win world series - who better than the highest paid player in the league? Instead of looking at the guy putting the horrible pitching staff together year after year.
Let's not forget, jeter's been in NY the last 5 years the yanks haven't won the world series, arod's been there 2+. But Arod is somehow to blame for this drought?
Comical.
<< <i>Sorry, bri, but if you don't think that Jeter has many issues with A-rod because of the history between them, then you don't know much about either one of these players and where they're coming from. I'm not saying that Jeter should be a cheerleader for A-rod or hold his hand, but it's quite apparent that there is no love lost between them. Is that a bad thing? I don't know, but it is what it is, and for you to refute my assertions reveals a lack of objectivity on your part.
And come on, let's tone down the rhetoric here. Arod has shown nothing since coming to NY?? The guy won the MVP Award last year and he's hitting close to .300 now with 90 RBI. C'mon, man, let's not exaggerate because he's not a true "Yankee" ok? >>
Did I say that Jeter doesnt have issues ? I most definately feel that he does, and rightfully so after Arod openly bashed him while they were friends. What I DID say was that Jeter has taken the high road and kept it to himself the entire time.
I refuted your assertion that Jeter PUBLICLY shows his lack of love for Arod. I refuted that im laughing had something to do with Arod being questioned by reporters. I definately did not in any way refute your assertion that Jeter doesnt like the guy. Not you me, or any beat reporter knows why Jeter was seen laughing. In any case, he hasnt said one negative word about him or anyone else publicly, EVER.
Now in case that wasnt clear enough, let me summarize. I agree Jeter has a problem with Arod. I feel he has a right to. I merely was pointing out that he has never used a public forum to voice him feelings.
And I will still say that Arod has shown nothing but being an overrated slugger who will hit close to his 40 hrs a yr, strike out far too often, play horrendous defense, and show no leadership, resolve, guts, or baseball intelligence on the field.
-- Yogi Berra
And I thought only RichG was the pompous one. You guys have much in common, after all!
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<< <i>Did I say that Jeter doesnt have issues ? I most definately feel that he does, and rightfully so after Arod openly bashed him while they were friends. What I DID say was that Jeter has taken the high road and kept it to himself the entire time.
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Except for that pop up where he felt the need to stare Arod down ON THE FIELD. Classless.
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And I will still say that Arod has shown nothing but being an overrated slugger who will hit close to his 40 hrs a yr, strike out far too often, play horrendous defense, and show no leadership, resolve, guts, or baseball intelligence on the field. >>
You're absolutely ignorant if you honestly feel this to be true.
<< <i>Now in case that wasnt clear enough, let me summarize. I agree Jeter has a problem with Arod. I feel he has a right to. I merely was pointing out that he has never used a public forum to voice him feelings.
And I thought only RichG was the pompous one. You guys have much in common, after all! >>
Ok, I am the pompous one ? You called me out on 3 different occasions in your last post for not admitting Jeter had a problem with Arod, when you were clearly wrong. Not once did I say Jeter didnt have a problem with Arod like you claimed I did.
I simply had a problem with you saying Jeter should do a better job of keeping his personal feelings to himself. I felt that was extremely off base, and just plain wrong. Jeter is one of the best this sport and any other has ever seen as keeping out of personal issues and keeping things to himself. You called him out as having a problem with keeping personal issues to himself because of supposed laughing while leaving the clubhouse. Do you honestly feel that is enough to call him out as a person who does a poor job of keeping things to himself ?
Remember Grote, you were the one who questioned me first, and didnt even get the gist of what I was saying correct. So was I just supposed to have you tell me in a forum that I " dont know much about either of these players " or that I " refute your assertions "
I responded accordingly, by telling you how I absolutely 100% understand and agree that Jeter has a problem with Arod and explained why I think he has every right to.
-- Yogi Berra
-- Yogi Berra