Jete called for the ball. He's the CAPTAIN. Errod should know his role by know, oh what he did drop that ball so I'm guessing he does. Staring down a guy that screwed up is classless? I guess that qualifies damn near every HOF'er in the professional sports. Ax, like it's been proven we ALL know you're going to defend Errod to no end. It's funny to read you defending his flubs.
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<< <i>Jete called for the ball. He's the CAPTAIN. Errod should know his role by know, oh what he did drop that ball so I'm guessing he does. Staring down a guy that screwed up is classless? I guess that qualifies damn near every HOF'er in the professional sports. Ax, like it's been proven we ALL know you're going to defend Errod to no end. It's funny to read you defending his flubs. >>
Are you saying Jeter was right, too, to stare down Arod after the mishap instead of fielding the ball and taking the beef to the locker room? You don't STARE DOWN YOUR TEAMMATES, DOPE! That's classless! You stare down the opposing team, absolutely! But your own guy? Are you nuts?!
It's funny to see you jeter jock sniffers defending him to the end, and no where mentioning what happened after the ball hit the ground! It's painfully obvious to anyone who's not a blind yankee lover that jeter is jealous of Arod - jealous he's got a bigger deal, jealous he's got better skills, jealous that he's won MVP awards and is considered one of the best to ever play the game.
He's the captain, so he can't make mistakes? In your mind, perhaps, but for those of us in a place called reality we know differently.
<< <i>Jete called for the ball. He's the CAPTAIN. Errod should know his role by know, oh what he did drop that ball so I'm guessing he does. Staring down a guy that screwed up is classless? I guess that qualifies damn near every HOF'er in the professional sports. Ax, like it's been proven we ALL know you're going to defend Errod to no end. It's funny to read you defending his flubs. >>
Are you saying Jeter was right, too, to stare down Arod after the mishap instead of fielding the ball and taking the beef to the locker room? You don't STARE DOWN YOUR TEAMMATES, DOPE! That's classless! You stare down the opposing team, absolutely! But your own guy? Are you nuts?!
It's funny to see you jeter jock sniffers defending him to the end, and no where mentioning what happened after the ball hit the ground! It's painfully obvious to anyone who's not a blind yankee lover that jeter is jealous of Arod - jealous he's got a bigger deal, jealous he's got better skills, jealous that he's won MVP awards and is considered one of the best to ever play the game.
He's the captain, so he can't make mistakes? In your mind, perhaps, but for those of us in a place called reality we know differently. >>
Ax, there is not one day that goes by here where something isnt written about Arods jealousy over Jeter. It is no secret and not something " Jeter jock sniffers " are making up. If you werent so blindly in love with Arod you would see he is jealous. he is jealous that no matter what he will never be the " man " in NY. You are totally 100% off base in saying Jeter is jealous of Arod, period.
I was actually a bit shocked that he gave the stare down, and it was out of character for him. I think at this point his frustration with Arod is coming out. The Yankees players are pissed off at Arod. They are pissed he hasnt been coming through, and the entire team from coaching staff down is pissed off at him making excuses to the media for his poor play. It has been talked about for the last 10 days or so morning noon and night around here. He made alot of enemies in his own clubhouse by making those excuses. It is not what a team player does, especially when alot of guys go out there with nagging injuries and suck it up, keep their trap shut and play.
I understand that you arent in NY to hear all this on a day to day basis, but it is the facts of what is going on here. Arod is not loved by anyone on this team right now, and his problems are all self created by his ego, HIS jealousy, and his failure to say the right thing when questioned by the media.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
Once again I could name MANY(the majority actually) of damn near every HOF'er sports player who HAS stared down teammates. Jete jealous, of a guy with NO Rings? Jealous of the guy who switched positions? lol, your a funny guy anyone who saw that game/play realizes who dropped the ball. The same guy who leads ALL thirdbasemen in errors this season.
No, he can make mistakes but he CALLED FOR IT. Errod dropped the ball.
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I took issue with your response to me when you stated "Let me summarize.." to make your point, which is a very pompous and arrogant way to make your point, right or wrong (wrong IMO in this case). If you can't realize that, then I can't make it any clearer for you.
And BTW, I don't need you to tell me how "long" I need to be on here to call it like it is. I've been reading these boards long before you have (I remember a post where you had no idea what the "skiptomylou bet" was all about, so as far as I'm concerned you're the new jack here.
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<< <i>Once again I could name MANY(the majority actually) of damn near every HOF'er sports player who HAS stared down teammates. Jete jealous, of a guy with NO Rings? Jealous of the guy who switched positions? lol, your a funny guy anyone who saw that game/play realizes who dropped the ball. The same guy who leads ALL thirdbasemen in errors this season. >>
Yes, JEALOUSY. It's evident that even with his rings, jeter longs to have the talent Arod does. Please show me an example of when a team leader berated a player on the field? Remember the TO/McNabb squabbles on the sidelines What did the QB (the 'captain') do? He turned his back on TO, not having that fallout in view of the public. A team leader has the ability to keep his emotions in check to take it to the locker room - but not jeter. He's such a petty little boy he's gotta stare down Arod like they're on a playground.
<< <i>No, he can make mistakes but he CALLED FOR IT. Errod dropped the ball. >>
Again, you FAIL to acknowledge jeter was wrong for not playing the ball after it dropped, instead of the childish statedown that ensued. Why?
I am basically at the point where I am going to join Stone and leave these boards for a while.
I honestly have no problem going back and forth with Ax, I understand who he is, and I think he understands who i am and its all just debate in the end, but when people who have been on these boards a couple of months and have no clue about who I am start calling me out as pompous and put me in a category with one of the nastiest SOB's out there maybe it is time to move on.
Grote, i gotta say it again, I dont know where that came from at all. I was in full agreement that Jeter has a problem with Arod, and knew fully well their issues and the situation. I think I am very well up on all things yankees to know the situation. I never debated it. I simply said that Jeter is and always has been one of the best, most classy players in the game at keeping things to himself. One instance of laughter when there is no real confirmation or proof over what it was directed at was not enough to call Jeter out as doing a bad job of hiding his feelings. I defended that and nothing more. But if this is the tone these boards are taking, which it seems so more and more every day then maybe it is time to move on.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
I took issue with your response to me when you stated "Let me summarize.." to make your point, which is a very pompous and arrogant way to make your point, right or wrong (wrong IMO in this case). If you can't realize that, then I can't make it any clearer for you.
And BTW, I don't need you to tell me how "long" I need to be on here to call it like it is. I've been reading these boards long before you have (I remember a post where you had no idea what the "skiptomylou bet" was all about, so as far as I'm concerned you're the new jack here. >>
You took issues with my summarizing things ? Grote, for you to answer me by telling me I didnt know what the situation was obviously meant you didnt know or couldnt understand my point the first time, so i was attempted to make it clearer.
Regardless, you dont know me, or how anythinfg I said was meant. You took it the wrong way, and put me in the same category as one of the true problem makers and jerks on these boards.
And you telling me I am pompous and a jerk like someone isnt calling it like it is. It was starting trouble, trouble I felt was very uncalled for. I dont think there is a single member of these boards who would put me anywhere near the same category as that guy.
I had no problem with you, and wasnt trying to begin one. A debate and dissagreement is one thing, but beginning a personal attack and categorizing someone with one of the true jerks around here is something entirely different.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
"Please show me an example of when a team leader berated a player on the field?"
Please show me when THAT happened. lol
Bri-Just realize Grote is also an alt. I'm going to talk to CarolJ in hopes of having an ignore feature added to the boards to help "weed" out the instigators. Help bring this board back to what it was, before the pompous little kids starting
I don't mind an intelligent discussion at ALL. Fact is certain people aren't much smarter than this guy...
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But if this is the tone these boards are taking, which it seems so more and more every day then maybe it is time to move on.
How ironic and melodramatic from a guy who chooses talks down to other posters who don't agree with him by saying "Let me summarize.." to make his point, which, by extension is like saying "You have no clue so let me make it clear to you."
I don't always agree with the other posters on these boards either (I'm sure Axtell can attest to that), but I always make every effort no to insult their intelligence by disagreeing in the process.
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Btw, I'm allowed to speak for people that are "slow". A cousin of mine has the mind of a 4 year old and he's in his 30's. It's a happy life for him though, he's all smiles unless you take away his toys and then he beats the crap outta ya.
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<< <i>But if this is the tone these boards are taking, which it seems so more and more every day then maybe it is time to move on.
How ironic and melodramatic from a guy who chooses talks down to other posters who don't agree with him by saying "Let me summarize.." to make his point, which, by extension is like saying "You have no clue so let me make it clear to you."
I don't always agree with the other posters on these boards either (I'm sure Axtell can attest to that), but I always make every effort no to insult their intelligence by disagreeing in the process. >>
I am sorry you took that as an insult to your intelligence. If it appeared that way, then I apologize, it was truly unintended. I also feel you telling me I dont have a clue about the situation between Jeter and Arod was an insult to my intelligence, so you have to see this was working both ways.
regardless, if how my words came out appeared as an insult I will be a man and give an apology, it certainly was not what I was trying to do. There have been alot of problems on these boards lately. Alot of personal attacks that are unnecessary, and I dont need to be involved in another one starting up.
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<< <i>"Please show me an example of when a team leader berated a player on the field?"
Please show me when THAT happened. lol >>
So jeter staring down Arod after the error wasn't him berating him? I thought hall of famers did this regularly, yet you can't provide a single example?
And Topps, I'm an alt?? That's just comical. I have no agenda on these boards, I come here to talk sports, nothing more. I know you want to back your bri here, but you're sadly mistaken. No wonder many of the more knowledgebale posters have left here.
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I am sorry you took that as an insult to your intelligence. If it appeared that way, then I apologize, it was truly unintended.
I appreciate that, and yes, I guess I took it the wrong way. I accept your apology.
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No, I think he meant the richg reference you put him in the same catagory as a problem maker and jerk, not you
Ax,
You're right, I misread his post and for that, I too apologize.
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<< <i>You took it the wrong way, and put me in the same category as one of the true problem makers and jerks on these boards.
So now I'm a problem maker and a jerk? Sorry, but that's just lame. >>
No, I think he meant the richg reference you put him in the same catagory as a problem maker and jerk, not you. >>
Correct, and TY Ax....I was not putting Grote in any category. I dont know him, and wouldnt do that. I was indeed referring to him putting me in the same category as RichG.
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Staring down a guy isn't berating unless your soft like Errod is. Apparently he's a very "sensitive" guy. You know, seeing a therapist before every game since his days in Seattle. He's NEVER stood up to the pressure of being the man, and he's beginning to realize that he won't ever be the man. I've seen Peyton Manning do it, Brett Favre, MJ, Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Dikembe(A true CLASS individual), Alonzo Mourning(Maybe won't make it, but he deserves to), coaches like Bill Parcells, Bill Cowher, Chris Carter, Randy Moss, Reggie White, and Troy Aikman do it. That's a 10 second list that popped into my head of HOF'ers(or will be someday). lol, Ax....we all know you have a crush on your buddy boy. We've all seen your multiple threads dealing with "homosexuality", we know you live in Cali(By far the most, ahem "progressive" of all states to put it kindly), and it's quite apparent for your feelings toward Errod. Have a gay night!
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I was indeed referring to him putting me in the same category as RichG.
bri,
I misunderstood the tone of your post and responded inappropriately. It's often difficult to gauge tone on a post, so I was assuming that when you said "Let me summarize..." that you were talking down to me like I was some kind of idiot. My bad.
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<< <i>Staring down a guy isn't berating unless your soft like Errod is. >>
What would you call it? Would you call it 'calling him out'? Do you still think it was appropriate?
<< <i>Apparently he's a very "sensitive" guy. You know, seeing a therapist before every game since his days in Seattle. >>
Hmm it seems to be working! Youngest player ever to 450 HRs, 2 MVPs, and making $25 million a year. Yeah, those therapy sessions must be killing him!
He's NEVER stood up to the pressure of being the man, and he's beginning to realize that he won't ever be the man. >>
So the MVP award last year was what? That was under the pressure of NY, and a playoff chase, wasn't it? So your claim he's 'never' stood up to the pressure is patently false. I'll take the 'hey I'm sorry I was wrong' in your next post, please.
<< <i> I've seen Peyton Manning do it, Brett Favre, MJ, Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Dikembe(A true CLASS individual), Alonzo Mourning(Maybe won't make it, but he deserves to), coaches like Bill Parcells, Bill Cowher, Chris Carter, Randy Moss, Reggie White, and Troy Aikman do it. That's a 10 second list that popped into my head of HOF'ers(or will be someday). lol, Ax....we all know you have a crush on your buddy boy. We've all seen your multiple threads dealing with "homosexuality", we know you live in Cali(By far the most, ahem "progressive" of all states to put it kindly), and it's quite apparent for your feelings toward Errod. Have a gay night! >>
What is this list? Is this a list of supposed 'stare downs'? Are you just calling off names? I'd like precise times, please, or at least general recollections about what happened. And please, get the coaches off your list, you baboon. They are supposed to get in players' faces. Teammates, no, never, not in the eye of the public. You don't do that...you save it for the locker room you dope.
And no, I'm sorry, I'm not gay. Even if I were, are you inferring it to be some sort of insult if I were gay? What, are you 12? Do you run around the playground insulting people with variations of 'gay' names?
If so, I pity your childrens' futures, to grow up with such a bigoted father. It's going to turn them into the same exact hateful person that you are.
<< <i>I was indeed referring to him putting me in the same category as RichG.
bri,
I misunderstood the tone of your post and responded inappropriately. It's often difficult to gauge tone on a post, so I was assuming that when you said "Let me summarize..." that you were talking down to me like I was some kind of idiot. My bad. >>
Its all good. I completely agree that the tone of what is being said can often be misinterpreted through typing alone.
There has been alot of tension 'round these parts lately, and it seems to be getting to more than a few people. Maybe its all the testosterone flowing in preparation for the upcoming football season, who knows.
Either way, agree or disagree, thats what we are all here for. Things can go alot smoother without personal attacks towards anyone. I for one got sucked into it with RichG. It wasted alot of my time, and dragged me down to his level. The last thing I want is to get started again with someone else, especially someone who doesnt deserve it.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
Who is Arod? Who is Jeter? Can't we all just get along and be friends?
your friend, pathetic193 >>
Enigma....you have already caused enough trouble around here and were the cause of one of the truly good people on here to leave the boards. Was it worth it ? Is your life really that empty where you need to create an alt copying one of the most friendly and kind people this forum has ever seens photo, name, and sig line just to cause trouble ? what did he do to you ?
I think i speak for every single member of these boards when I respectfully ask that you not only cease this childish activity but formally and publicly apologize to the person you have offended.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
The last thing I want is to get started again with someone else, especially someone who doesnt deserve it.
I feel the same. And if you recall, I was one of the posters who supported you during that whole RichG BS. I have no beef with you.
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I'm a Mets fan (hold the rotten tomatoes), and as my ID attests to, Jerry Grote No. 15 was my favorite ballplayer growing up. Maybe we'll see a "Subway Series" after all. This Mets team is better than the 2000 team, IMO, too.
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I recently had a nervous breakdown. Looks like you're having one right now. I hope you get better soon.
your friend, dramaqueen193 >>
i'll take your bait since Stone doesnt read this forum..
you are a coward trying to hide behind a fake message board ID, and you dont have enough balls to reveal who you really are.. your life must be really exciting..
I'm a Mets fan (hold the rotten tomatoes), and as my ID attests to, Jerry Grote No. 15 was my favorite ballplayer growing up. Maybe we'll see a "Subway Series" after all. This Mets team is better than the 2000 team, IMO, too. >>
You would think I shoulda figured that out with the name Grote !
I agree that this team is better than the 2000 team. Just looking at who they have in the outfield compared to the 3 sent out there in 2000 says it all.
So are you on Long Island ?
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I recently had a nervous breakdown. Looks like you're having one right now. I hope you get better soon.
your friend, dramaqueen193 >>
i'll take your bait since Stone doesnt read this forum..
you are a coward trying to hide behind a fake message board ID, and you dont have enough balls to reveal who you really are.. your life must be really exciting..
you are also a mental case. >>
Tagging in -
Pond scum laughs at you.
Your mother was a hamster and you father smelled of elderberries. Hey there's one benefit to this insult. You now know one fact about your father, bastidge.
How is this Enigma guy still around? One person, including all alts who needs to be taken off this board for good.
On the Jeter-ARod thing I took Jeter's "staredown" as a moment of disgust and not a way of trying to embarass him.
I do not doubt that Jeter still harbors some bad feelings of the ARod fiasco a few years back but I can understand being baffled why on earth ARod would "step on his toes" in the field with the way he is playing. It was clear it was Jeter's ball and Jeter was calling for it. There is no way ARod couldnt have heard him. Maybe ARod is so desparate to "make the plays" because he has stunk it up so bad in the field?
I truely think it was a moment of disgust and nothing else.
It's not like they are having fist fights in the dugout like Kent and Bonds used to...but then again, maybe that needs to happen!
I still can't believe this has been blown way off the charts like it was some epic happening. A-Rod coming up with excuses to the media the past two weeks is alot worse then any "stare" Jeter can give.
<< <i>I still can't believe this has been blown way off the charts like it was some epic happening. A-Rod coming up with excuses to the media the past two weeks is alot worse then any "stare" Jeter can give.
Ridiculous. >>
Exactly Dan. Who cares about a stare out of frustration. You know what this is all about. Ax loves Arod and hates Jeter, so of course he is going to run with this and try to use it as some grand anti Jeter campaign. The fact is, what Arod has been doing by running his mouth off and making excuses in the media has not made him too many friends in that clubhouse lately, and is far worse than a stare down.
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Here is the perfect read for this thread. By Mike Lupica in the Sunday Daily News ......
It's big chill for Derek & A-Rod
Derek Jeter (r.) remains most popular player in New York and MVP candidate, even after arrival of one-time pal Alex Rodriguez. Now it appears there's a coolness between the two superstars.
BOSTON - This was back in 1998, the year the NBA All-Star Game was at Madison Square Garden, and suddenly you came walking around the corner to a concession stand upstairs and there were Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez. Jeter was already a champion Yankee by then, and the sports star most New York kids wanted to be. Already people were talking about Rodriguez as the brightest of the bright young stars in the game, and there was speculation that when Rodriguez finally became a free agent, the Mets would sign him and bring him to New York.
"This is an unbelievable place," Rodriguez, the baseball star, said that night.
"You mean the Garden?"
"I mean New York," A-Rod said. "I have to play here someday." Sounding like a kid talking about some new toy, or gadget or video game.
"The Yankees already have a shortstop," he was told.
Both Jeter and A-Rod smiled at that and then A-Rod said, "The Mets," and then the two of them, two big young guys with all the talent in the world, went walking back into the crowd, as if either one of them could ever blend into a crowd anywhere. Right there you could imagine them both in New York and the debate about which one was really better the way they debated that about Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays in the 1950s.
You could imagine them owning the town forever.
The Yankees still had a shortstop, the best in their history - Jeter - when they had a chance to get Rodriguez almost six years exactly from that All-Star night at the Garden. The only way the deal could get done is if Rodriguez, on his way to being the greatest shortstop in baseball history, moved 50 feet to his right and agreed to play third base. He did. That is how desperate he was to get out of Texas and last place, even though the Rangers, for reasons not just monetary, were desperate to get rid of him at the time.
Not only would Jeter and A-Rod both be in New York at the same time. They would both be in pinstripes, at the Stadium. The most glamorous and expensive left side of an infield any team would ever have. They would be the Frazier and Monroe of the Yankees.
And maybe that is exactly what they are.
Because when Earl (The Pearl) Monroe came here from the Baltimore Bullets, when he gave up some of his game, gave up the ball so it could still be Walt Frazier's ball at the Garden, they weren't the best of friends, either. I could see it by the time I started covering both of them. They were never enemies, and there was always respect between them.
Just distance.
Something more than air between them when they were on the court together.
It is the kind of distance there is now between the captain of the Yankees and the reigning MVP of the American League, whatever they say for the media. Sometimes I think they were closer when Jeter was playing for the Yankees in New York and Rodriguez was still playing for the Mariners in Seattle.
For all the times when Jeter is on the top step of the dugout to greet A-Rod after he has hit a home run or scored a run, for all the times when their teammates hear them talking about the other team's pitcher in the dugout, even for all the times when they have been spotted having a meal together on the road, what people remember best is that play against the Orioles the other day. They remember Jeter and A-Rod both calling for a pop fly and Jeter finally bumping into A-Rod and the ball falling to the ground.
They remember the look Jeter - the one who was given the error on the play - gave A-Rod when it was over.
You can look at that play all you want and analyze it all you want, and understand that Jeter isn't just the captain of the team, he's the captain of the infield at shortstop. But understand this even better: That area between second and third at Yankee Stadium is Jeter's turf, now more than ever.
It doesn't matter to Yankee fans that some people think A-Rod might someday be called the best player of all time, or that he hits more home runs and knocks in more runs and might even have played a better shortstop once. That is Jeter's turf, his team, his town. His time. It doesn't change until he retires or A-Rod changes teams. He got what he wanted, all right. Got out of Texas and got New York. Now he feels Jeter can do nothing wrong and he can't do anything right.
It makes this as fascinating a relationship as the Yankees have ever had, certainly since Ruth and Gehrig didn't like each other very much.
I asked four Yankees last week to talk about the relationship between Jeter and A-Rod on the condition that none of their names would be in the newspaper, just because asking either Jeter or A-Rod about this union is about as illuminating as asking the Clintons about theirs. All of the Yankees I talked to have baseball opinions I respect. Not one of them has a beef with either player.
"I would call the relationship professional," the first one said. "And that's all it needs to be, as far as I'm concerned. As long as any two guys on a team don't have the kind of relationship that gets in the way of us winning, that's pretty much all anybody cares about."
"No more than that?" I said.
"Professional," he said.
The second guy I asked described the relationship as "professional" as well, saying that he saw the normal camaraderie between Jeter and A-Rod that he saw between other guys in the clubhouse.
The third Yankee smiled and said, "Let's just say they're acquaintances."
I told him they had to be more than acquaintances, they've nearly played together now for three full seasons.
"Acquaintances," he said again.
I asked him if he thought it was important to A-Rod that Jeter liked him. The guy nearly yelled out an answer, laughing now as he did.
"Alex wants everybody to like him," he said. "I like him. But when you want everybody to like you or love you as much as he does, and you're playing alongside somebody the fans are always going to love more, then you're going to have problems. Not Jeter. Jeter's Jeter, he doesn't change. I'm talking about Alex. He worries about stuff that Jeter never does."
The last guy was simply asked to come up with one word to describe the relationship. He thought about it for a while.
"Truthfully?" he said. "It's chilly."
The Big Chill: Jeter has the championship rings, A-Rod has the bigger contract, the bigger offensive numbers, maybe a chance to hit 800 home runs in the big leagues. Jeter is cheered constantly at the Stadium, A-Rod has been booed all year. Jeter says only what he has to say and then shuts up, goes and worries about winning the game, the way DiMaggio did. A-Rod talks and talks, about everything, and makes even Yankees who want him to do well roll their eyes.
The other day, a reporter was talking to another star Yankee and the Yankee saw the crowd in front of A-Rod's locker and said, "Better get going, you don't want to miss today's excuse."
You can't image a similar comment about the captain of the team. It must kill A-Rod that he made the sacrifice - in his mind - to switch positions and that somehow that made people just love Jeter more than ever. You wonder what he thinks when he watches from the on-deck circle as Jeter busts open that mess of a game early Saturday morning with a bases-loaded double.
The Yankees might yet win a World Series with both of them on the field. In that way, you can say they will own New York then. Just not the way we thought they would.
It doesnt say one word that we already dont know though. Rodrigues wants people to like him to a fault. Its no secret he has been that way. ITs no secret he and Jeter arent the best of friends. Its no secret his jealousy over Jeter will continue. The players all see it, the media sees it. We, the fans see it. There is only one person around here who doesnt see it and will argue it, and we all know who that is.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
I recently had a nervous breakdown. Looks like you're having one right now. I hope you get better soon.
your friend, dramaqueen193 >>
Enigma
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His hit earlier in the game was the epitome of Arod. Giambe up before him, gets the big HR to put the Yankees ahead. next batter, Arod ,bases empty, the pressure situation already handled and done with cracks a single.
How people can not realize how this guy works is beyond me.
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Now THAT was clutch! Everybody wonders why us yankee fans have so much love for Jeter?!?! THAT'S WHY!!! In the ninth, 2 outs, we're down 5-4, runner on 3rd, and what does the captain do? What he always does: he gets the fuggin' job done!
<< <i>Now THAT was clutch! Everybody wonders why us yankee fans have so much love for Jeter?!?! THAT'S WHY!!! In the ninth, 2 outs, we're down 5-4, runner on 3rd, and what does the captain do? What he always does: he gets the fuggin' job done! >>
YES HE DOES and no wonder so many haters try and target Derek. I have NO PROBLEM listening to all of the jealous whining and crying for another 6-7 years While "they" are crying Derek will be WINNING
Blah blah blah blah, but Jeter doesnt hit 40 hrs.....blah blah blah...but Jeter doesnt drive in 120 runs.....blah blah blah.....
For real, can this little nonsense with Arod and Jeter finally be put to rest. There is zero doubt and question who is the player and who is hype.
All this will just add to another sleepless night, another phone call to the therapist, and another day of crying over not being the man by Arod.
Note to Arod.....accept your place. You put up your numbers in the land of losers and obscurity. Youre in the big city now and you dont got what it takes to be the number one man. The sooner you realize it the sooner you may have a chance here under the bright lights.
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<< <i>Now THAT was clutch! Everybody wonders why us yankee fans have so much love for Jeter?!?! THAT'S WHY!!! In the ninth, 2 outs, we're down 5-4, runner on 3rd, and what does the captain do? What he always does: he gets the fuggin' job done! >>
This is EXACTLY why us Yankee fans have so much love for Jete.
Oh, and to those Sox fans who shot down my opinion about Robinson Cano's return being key, how many RBI's does he have in this series? 10! Which equals what both Ramirez and Ortiz have driven in during this series.
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I think even Yankee fans would rather have A-rod than any other 3B out there. He has certainly had his share of struggles this year (hitting in the clutch, etc) but you don't put up the career numbers he has put up if you're not an outstanding player.
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<< <i>Jete called for the ball. He's the CAPTAIN. Errod should know his role by know, oh what he did drop that ball so I'm guessing he does. Staring down a guy that screwed up is classless? I guess that qualifies damn near every HOF'er in the professional sports. Ax, like it's been proven we ALL know you're going to defend Errod to no end. It's funny to read you defending his flubs. >>
Are you saying Jeter was right, too, to stare down Arod after the mishap instead of fielding the ball and taking the beef to the locker room? You don't STARE DOWN YOUR TEAMMATES, DOPE! That's classless! You stare down the opposing team, absolutely! But your own guy? Are you nuts?!
It's funny to see you jeter jock sniffers defending him to the end, and no where mentioning what happened after the ball hit the ground! It's painfully obvious to anyone who's not a blind yankee lover that jeter is jealous of Arod - jealous he's got a bigger deal, jealous he's got better skills, jealous that he's won MVP awards and is considered one of the best to ever play the game.
He's the captain, so he can't make mistakes? In your mind, perhaps, but for those of us in a place called reality we know differently.
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<< <i>Jete called for the ball. He's the CAPTAIN. Errod should know his role by know, oh what he did drop that ball so I'm guessing he does. Staring down a guy that screwed up is classless? I guess that qualifies damn near every HOF'er in the professional sports. Ax, like it's been proven we ALL know you're going to defend Errod to no end. It's funny to read you defending his flubs. >>
Are you saying Jeter was right, too, to stare down Arod after the mishap instead of fielding the ball and taking the beef to the locker room? You don't STARE DOWN YOUR TEAMMATES, DOPE! That's classless! You stare down the opposing team, absolutely! But your own guy? Are you nuts?!
It's funny to see you jeter jock sniffers defending him to the end, and no where mentioning what happened after the ball hit the ground! It's painfully obvious to anyone who's not a blind yankee lover that jeter is jealous of Arod - jealous he's got a bigger deal, jealous he's got better skills, jealous that he's won MVP awards and is considered one of the best to ever play the game.
He's the captain, so he can't make mistakes? In your mind, perhaps, but for those of us in a place called reality we know differently. >>
Ax, there is not one day that goes by here where something isnt written about Arods jealousy over Jeter. It is no secret and not something " Jeter jock sniffers " are making up. If you werent so blindly in love with Arod you would see he is jealous. he is jealous that no matter what he will never be the " man " in NY. You are totally 100% off base in saying Jeter is jealous of Arod, period.
I was actually a bit shocked that he gave the stare down, and it was out of character for him. I think at this point his frustration with Arod is coming out. The Yankees players are pissed off at Arod. They are pissed he hasnt been coming through, and the entire team from coaching staff down is pissed off at him making excuses to the media for his poor play. It has been talked about for the last 10 days or so morning noon and night around here. He made alot of enemies in his own clubhouse by making those excuses. It is not what a team player does, especially when alot of guys go out there with nagging injuries and suck it up, keep their trap shut and play.
I understand that you arent in NY to hear all this on a day to day basis, but it is the facts of what is going on here. Arod is not loved by anyone on this team right now, and his problems are all self created by his ego, HIS jealousy, and his failure to say the right thing when questioned by the media.
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No, he can make mistakes but he CALLED FOR IT. Errod dropped the ball.
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I took issue with your response to me when you stated "Let me summarize.." to make your point, which is a very pompous and arrogant way to make your point, right or wrong (wrong IMO in this case). If you can't realize that, then I can't make it any clearer for you.
And BTW, I don't need you to tell me how "long" I need to be on here to call it like it is. I've been reading these boards long before you have (I remember a post where you had no idea what the "skiptomylou bet" was all about, so as far as I'm concerned you're the new jack here.
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<< <i>Once again I could name MANY(the majority actually) of damn near every HOF'er sports player who HAS stared down teammates. Jete jealous, of a guy with NO Rings? Jealous of the guy who switched positions? lol, your a funny guy anyone who saw that game/play realizes who dropped the ball. The same guy who leads ALL thirdbasemen in errors this season. >>
Yes, JEALOUSY. It's evident that even with his rings, jeter longs to have the talent Arod does. Please show me an example of when a team leader berated a player on the field? Remember the TO/McNabb squabbles on the sidelines What did the QB (the 'captain') do? He turned his back on TO, not having that fallout in view of the public. A team leader has the ability to keep his emotions in check to take it to the locker room - but not jeter. He's such a petty little boy he's gotta stare down Arod like they're on a playground.
<< <i>No, he can make mistakes but he CALLED FOR IT. Errod dropped the ball. >>
Again, you FAIL to acknowledge jeter was wrong for not playing the ball after it dropped, instead of the childish statedown that ensued. Why?
I am basically at the point where I am going to join Stone and leave these boards for a while.
I honestly have no problem going back and forth with Ax, I understand who he is, and I think he understands who i am and its all just debate in the end, but when people who have been on these boards a couple of months and have no clue about who I am start calling me out as pompous and put me in a category with one of the nastiest SOB's out there maybe it is time to move on.
Grote, i gotta say it again, I dont know where that came from at all. I was in full agreement that Jeter has a problem with Arod, and knew fully well their issues and the situation. I think I am very well up on all things yankees to know the situation. I never debated it. I simply said that Jeter is and always has been one of the best, most classy players in the game at keeping things to himself. One instance of laughter when there is no real confirmation or proof over what it was directed at was not enough to call Jeter out as doing a bad job of hiding his feelings. I defended that and nothing more. But if this is the tone these boards are taking, which it seems so more and more every day then maybe it is time to move on.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>bri,
I took issue with your response to me when you stated "Let me summarize.." to make your point, which is a very pompous and arrogant way to make your point, right or wrong (wrong IMO in this case). If you can't realize that, then I can't make it any clearer for you.
And BTW, I don't need you to tell me how "long" I need to be on here to call it like it is. I've been reading these boards long before you have (I remember a post where you had no idea what the "skiptomylou bet" was all about, so as far as I'm concerned you're the new jack here. >>
You took issues with my summarizing things ? Grote, for you to answer me by telling me I didnt know what the situation was obviously meant you didnt know or couldnt understand my point the first time, so i was attempted to make it clearer.
Regardless, you dont know me, or how anythinfg I said was meant. You took it the wrong way, and put me in the same category as one of the true problem makers and jerks on these boards.
And you telling me I am pompous and a jerk like someone isnt calling it like it is. It was starting trouble, trouble I felt was very uncalled for. I dont think there is a single member of these boards who would put me anywhere near the same category as that guy.
I had no problem with you, and wasnt trying to begin one. A debate and dissagreement is one thing, but beginning a personal attack and categorizing someone with one of the true jerks around here is something entirely different.
-- Yogi Berra
Please show me when THAT happened. lol
Bri-Just realize Grote is also an alt. I'm going to talk to CarolJ in hopes of having an ignore feature added to the boards to help "weed" out the instigators. Help bring this board back to what it was, before the pompous little kids starting
I don't mind an intelligent discussion at ALL. Fact is certain people aren't much smarter than this guy...
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How ironic and melodramatic from a guy who chooses talks down to other posters who don't agree with him by saying "Let me summarize.." to make his point, which, by extension is like saying "You have no clue so let me make it clear to you."
I don't always agree with the other posters on these boards either (I'm sure Axtell can attest to that), but I always make every effort no to insult their intelligence by disagreeing in the process.
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<< <i>But if this is the tone these boards are taking, which it seems so more and more every day then maybe it is time to move on.
How ironic and melodramatic from a guy who chooses talks down to other posters who don't agree with him by saying "Let me summarize.." to make his point, which, by extension is like saying "You have no clue so let me make it clear to you."
I don't always agree with the other posters on these boards either (I'm sure Axtell can attest to that), but I always make every effort no to insult their intelligence by disagreeing in the process. >>
I am sorry you took that as an insult to your intelligence. If it appeared that way, then I apologize, it was truly unintended. I also feel you telling me I dont have a clue about the situation between Jeter and Arod was an insult to my intelligence, so you have to see this was working both ways.
regardless, if how my words came out appeared as an insult I will be a man and give an apology, it certainly was not what I was trying to do. There have been alot of problems on these boards lately. Alot of personal attacks that are unnecessary, and I dont need to be involved in another one starting up.
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<< <i>"Please show me an example of when a team leader berated a player on the field?"
Please show me when THAT happened. lol >>
So jeter staring down Arod after the error wasn't him berating him? I thought hall of famers did this regularly, yet you can't provide a single example?
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<< <i>You took it the wrong way, and put me in the same category as one of the true problem makers and jerks on these boards.
So now I'm a problem maker and a jerk? Sorry, but that's just lame. >>
No, I think he meant the richg reference you put him in the same catagory as a problem maker and jerk, not you.
I appreciate that, and yes, I guess I took it the wrong way. I accept your apology.
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No, I think he meant the richg reference you put him in the same catagory as a problem maker and jerk, not you
Ax,
You're right, I misread his post and for that, I too apologize.
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<< <i>You took it the wrong way, and put me in the same category as one of the true problem makers and jerks on these boards.
So now I'm a problem maker and a jerk? Sorry, but that's just lame. >>
No, I think he meant the richg reference you put him in the same catagory as a problem maker and jerk, not you. >>
Correct, and TY Ax....I was not putting Grote in any category. I dont know him, and wouldnt do that. I was indeed referring to him putting me in the same category as RichG.
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bri,
I misunderstood the tone of your post and responded inappropriately. It's often difficult to gauge tone on a post, so I was assuming that when you said "Let me summarize..." that you were talking down to me like I was some kind of idiot. My bad.
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Who is Arod? Who is Jeter? Can't we all just get along and be friends?
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<< <i>Staring down a guy isn't berating unless your soft like Errod is. >>
What would you call it? Would you call it 'calling him out'? Do you still think it was appropriate?
<< <i>Apparently he's a very "sensitive" guy. You know, seeing a therapist before every game since his days in Seattle. >>
Hmm it seems to be working! Youngest player ever to 450 HRs, 2 MVPs, and making $25 million a year. Yeah, those therapy sessions must be killing him!
He's NEVER stood up to the pressure of being the man, and he's beginning to realize that he won't ever be the man. >>
So the MVP award last year was what? That was under the pressure of NY, and a playoff chase, wasn't it? So your claim he's 'never' stood up to the pressure is patently false. I'll take the 'hey I'm sorry I was wrong' in your next post, please.
<< <i> I've seen Peyton Manning do it, Brett Favre, MJ, Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Dikembe(A true CLASS individual), Alonzo Mourning(Maybe won't make it, but he deserves to), coaches like Bill Parcells, Bill Cowher, Chris Carter, Randy Moss, Reggie White, and Troy Aikman do it. That's a 10 second list that popped into my head of HOF'ers(or will be someday). lol, Ax....we all know you have a crush on your buddy boy. We've all seen your multiple threads dealing with "homosexuality", we know you live in Cali(By far the most, ahem "progressive" of all states to put it kindly), and it's quite apparent for your feelings toward Errod. Have a gay night! >>
What is this list? Is this a list of supposed 'stare downs'? Are you just calling off names? I'd like precise times, please, or at least general recollections about what happened. And please, get the coaches off your list, you baboon. They are supposed to get in players' faces. Teammates, no, never, not in the eye of the public. You don't do that...you save it for the locker room you dope.
And no, I'm sorry, I'm not gay. Even if I were, are you inferring it to be some sort of insult if I were gay? What, are you 12? Do you run around the playground insulting people with variations of 'gay' names?
If so, I pity your childrens' futures, to grow up with such a bigoted father. It's going to turn them into the same exact hateful person that you are.
<< <i>I was indeed referring to him putting me in the same category as RichG.
bri,
I misunderstood the tone of your post and responded inappropriately. It's often difficult to gauge tone on a post, so I was assuming that when you said "Let me summarize..." that you were talking down to me like I was some kind of idiot. My bad. >>
Its all good. I completely agree that the tone of what is being said can often be misinterpreted through typing alone.
There has been alot of tension 'round these parts lately, and it seems to be getting to more than a few people. Maybe its all the testosterone flowing in preparation for the upcoming football season, who knows.
Either way, agree or disagree, thats what we are all here for. Things can go alot smoother without personal attacks towards anyone. I for one got sucked into it with RichG. It wasted alot of my time, and dragged me down to his level. The last thing I want is to get started again with someone else, especially someone who doesnt deserve it.
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<< <i>Guys
Who is Arod? Who is Jeter? Can't we all just get along and be friends?
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Enigma....you have already caused enough trouble around here and were the cause of one of the truly good people on here to leave the boards. Was it worth it ? Is your life really that empty where you need to create an alt copying one of the most friendly and kind people this forum has ever seens photo, name, and sig line just to cause trouble ? what did he do to you ?
I think i speak for every single member of these boards when I respectfully ask that you not only cease this childish activity but formally and publicly apologize to the person you have offended.
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I feel the same. And if you recall, I was one of the posters who supported you during that whole RichG BS. I have no beef with you.
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<< <i>The last thing I want is to get started again with someone else, especially someone who doesnt deserve it.
I feel the same. And if you recall, I was one of the posters who supported you during that whole RichG BS. I have no beef with you. >>
Over and done, it was a simple misunderstanding.
So anyhow, what team do you follow ? i dunno at this point if you even mentioned it in this post after all that went down !
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I'm a Mets fan (hold the rotten tomatoes), and as my ID attests to, Jerry Grote No. 15 was my favorite ballplayer growing up. Maybe we'll see a "Subway Series" after all. This Mets team is better than the 2000 team, IMO, too.
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<< <i>bri2327
I recently had a nervous breakdown. Looks like you're having one right now. I hope you get better soon.
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dramaqueen193 >>
i'll take your bait since Stone doesnt read this forum..
you are a coward trying to hide behind a fake message board ID, and you dont have enough balls to reveal who you really are.. your life must be really exciting..
you are also a mental case.
<< <i>So anyhow, what team do you follow ?
I'm a Mets fan (hold the rotten tomatoes), and as my ID attests to, Jerry Grote No. 15 was my favorite ballplayer growing up. Maybe we'll see a "Subway Series" after all. This Mets team is better than the 2000 team, IMO, too. >>
You would think I shoulda figured that out with the name Grote !
I agree that this team is better than the 2000 team. Just looking at who they have in the outfield compared to the 3 sent out there in 2000 says it all.
So are you on Long Island ?
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<< <i>bri2327
I recently had a nervous breakdown. Looks like you're having one right now. I hope you get better soon.
your friend,
dramaqueen193 >>
i'll take your bait since Stone doesnt read this forum..
you are a coward trying to hide behind a fake message board ID, and you dont have enough balls to reveal who you really are.. your life must be really exciting..
you are also a mental case. >>
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Your mother was a hamster and you father smelled of elderberries. Hey there's one benefit to this insult. You now know one fact about your father, bastidge.
"Smegma" is a more fitting ID.
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On the Jeter-ARod thing
I took Jeter's "staredown" as a moment of disgust and not a way of trying to embarass him.
I do not doubt that Jeter still harbors some bad feelings of the ARod fiasco a few years back but I can understand being baffled why on earth ARod would "step on his toes" in the field with the way he is playing. It was clear it was Jeter's ball and Jeter was calling for it. There is no way ARod couldnt have heard him. Maybe ARod is so desparate to "make the plays" because he has stunk it up so bad in the field?
I truely think it was a moment of disgust and nothing else.
It's not like they are having fist fights in the dugout like Kent and Bonds used to...but then again, maybe that needs to happen!
Ridiculous.
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<< <i>I still can't believe this has been blown way off the charts like it was some epic happening. A-Rod coming up with excuses to the media the past two weeks is alot worse then any "stare" Jeter can give.
Ridiculous. >>
Exactly Dan. Who cares about a stare out of frustration. You know what this is all about. Ax loves Arod and hates Jeter, so of course he is going to run with this and try to use it as some grand anti Jeter campaign. The fact is, what Arod has been doing by running his mouth off and making excuses in the media has not made him too many friends in that clubhouse lately, and is far worse than a stare down.
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Here is the perfect read for this thread. By Mike Lupica in the Sunday Daily News ......
It's big chill for Derek & A-Rod
Derek Jeter (r.) remains most popular player in New York and MVP candidate, even after arrival of one-time pal Alex Rodriguez. Now it appears there's a coolness between the two superstars.
BOSTON - This was back in 1998, the year the NBA All-Star Game was at Madison Square Garden, and suddenly you came walking around the corner to a concession stand upstairs and there were Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez. Jeter was already a champion Yankee by then, and the sports star most New York kids wanted to be. Already people were talking about Rodriguez as the brightest of the bright young stars in the game, and there was speculation that when Rodriguez finally became a free agent, the Mets would sign him and bring him to New York.
"This is an unbelievable place," Rodriguez, the baseball star, said that night.
"You mean the Garden?"
"I mean New York," A-Rod said. "I have to play here someday." Sounding like a kid talking about some new toy, or gadget or video game.
"The Yankees already have a shortstop," he was told.
Both Jeter and A-Rod smiled at that and then A-Rod said, "The Mets," and then the two of them, two big young guys with all the talent in the world, went walking back into the crowd, as if either one of them could ever blend into a crowd anywhere. Right there you could imagine them both in New York and the debate about which one was really better the way they debated that about Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays in the 1950s.
You could imagine them owning the town forever.
The Yankees still had a shortstop, the best in their history - Jeter - when they had a chance to get Rodriguez almost six years exactly from that All-Star night at the Garden. The only way the deal could get done is if Rodriguez, on his way to being the greatest shortstop in baseball history, moved 50 feet to his right and agreed to play third base. He did. That is how desperate he was to get out of Texas and last place, even though the Rangers, for reasons not just monetary, were desperate to get rid of him at the time.
Not only would Jeter and A-Rod both be in New York at the same time. They would both be in pinstripes, at the Stadium. The most glamorous and expensive left side of an infield any team would ever have. They would be the Frazier and Monroe of the Yankees.
And maybe that is exactly what they are.
Because when Earl (The Pearl) Monroe came here from the Baltimore Bullets, when he gave up some of his game, gave up the ball so it could still be Walt Frazier's ball at the Garden, they weren't the best of friends, either. I could see it by the time I started covering both of them. They were never enemies, and there was always respect between them.
Just distance.
Something more than air between them when they were on the court together.
It is the kind of distance there is now between the captain of the Yankees and the reigning MVP of the American League, whatever they say for the media. Sometimes I think they were closer when Jeter was playing for the Yankees in New York and Rodriguez was still playing for the Mariners in Seattle.
For all the times when Jeter is on the top step of the dugout to greet A-Rod after he has hit a home run or scored a run, for all the times when their teammates hear them talking about the other team's pitcher in the dugout, even for all the times when they have been spotted having a meal together on the road, what people remember best is that play against the Orioles the other day. They remember Jeter and A-Rod both calling for a pop fly and Jeter finally bumping into A-Rod and the ball falling to the ground.
They remember the look Jeter - the one who was given the error on the play - gave A-Rod when it was over.
You can look at that play all you want and analyze it all you want, and understand that Jeter isn't just the captain of the team, he's the captain of the infield at shortstop. But understand this even better: That area between second and third at Yankee Stadium is Jeter's turf, now more than ever.
It doesn't matter to Yankee fans that some people think A-Rod might someday be called the best player of all time, or that he hits more home runs and knocks in more runs and might even have played a better shortstop once. That is Jeter's turf, his team, his town. His time. It doesn't change until he retires or A-Rod changes teams. He got what he wanted, all right. Got out of Texas and got New York. Now he feels Jeter can do nothing wrong and he can't do anything right.
It makes this as fascinating a relationship as the Yankees have ever had, certainly since Ruth and Gehrig didn't like each other very much.
I asked four Yankees last week to talk about the relationship between Jeter and A-Rod on the condition that none of their names would be in the newspaper, just because asking either Jeter or A-Rod about this union is about as illuminating as asking the Clintons about theirs. All of the Yankees I talked to have baseball opinions I respect. Not one of them has a beef with either player.
"I would call the relationship professional," the first one said. "And that's all it needs to be, as far as I'm concerned. As long as any two guys on a team don't have the kind of relationship that gets in the way of us winning, that's pretty much all anybody cares about."
"No more than that?" I said.
"Professional," he said.
The second guy I asked described the relationship as "professional" as well, saying that he saw the normal camaraderie between Jeter and A-Rod that he saw between other guys in the clubhouse.
The third Yankee smiled and said, "Let's just say they're acquaintances."
I told him they had to be more than acquaintances, they've nearly played together now for three full seasons.
"Acquaintances," he said again.
I asked him if he thought it was important to A-Rod that Jeter liked him. The guy nearly yelled out an answer, laughing now as he did.
"Alex wants everybody to like him," he said. "I like him. But when you want everybody to like you or love you as much as he does, and you're playing alongside somebody the fans are always going to love more, then you're going to have problems. Not Jeter. Jeter's Jeter, he doesn't change. I'm talking about Alex. He worries about stuff that Jeter never does."
The last guy was simply asked to come up with one word to describe the relationship. He thought about it for a while.
"Truthfully?" he said. "It's chilly."
The Big Chill: Jeter has the championship rings, A-Rod has the bigger contract, the bigger offensive numbers, maybe a chance to hit 800 home runs in the big leagues. Jeter is cheered constantly at the Stadium, A-Rod has been booed all year. Jeter says only what he has to say and then shuts up, goes and worries about winning the game, the way DiMaggio did. A-Rod talks and talks, about everything, and makes even Yankees who want him to do well roll their eyes.
The other day, a reporter was talking to another star Yankee and the Yankee saw the crowd in front of A-Rod's locker and said, "Better get going, you don't want to miss today's excuse."
You can't image a similar comment about the captain of the team. It must kill A-Rod that he made the sacrifice - in his mind - to switch positions and that somehow that made people just love Jeter more than ever. You wonder what he thinks when he watches from the on-deck circle as Jeter busts open that mess of a game early Saturday morning with a bases-loaded double.
The Yankees might yet win a World Series with both of them on the field. In that way, you can say they will own New York then. Just not the way we thought they would.
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It doesnt say one word that we already dont know though. Rodrigues wants people to like him to a fault. Its no secret he has been that way. ITs no secret he and Jeter arent the best of friends. Its no secret his jealousy over Jeter will continue. The players all see it, the media sees it. We, the fans see it. There is only one person around here who doesnt see it and will argue it, and we all know who that is.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>bri2327
I recently had a nervous breakdown. Looks like you're having one right now. I hope you get better soon.
your friend,
dramaqueen193 >>
Enigma
I consider myself a person with character - so name calling won't be necessary - this is my position - you create the ID and I will request it be deleted - let's see who gets bored faster.
Get a life of your own - mine is pretty full up.
mike
no need to explain yourself. We all know that.
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<< <i>Mike,
no need to explain yourself. We all know that.
Thanx Dan
I'm not going very far.
He'll get tired - I'm not that interesting!
mike
-- Yogi Berra
the bases empty single in the 4th was clutch though.
How people can not realize how this guy works is beyond me.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>Now THAT was clutch! Everybody wonders why us yankee fans have so much love for Jeter?!?! THAT'S WHY!!! In the ninth, 2 outs, we're down 5-4, runner on 3rd, and what does the captain do? What he always does: he gets the fuggin' job done! >>
YES HE DOES and no wonder so many haters try and target Derek. I have NO PROBLEM listening to all of the jealous whining and crying for another 6-7 years
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For real, can this little nonsense with Arod and Jeter finally be put to rest. There is zero doubt and question who is the player and who is hype.
All this will just add to another sleepless night, another phone call to the therapist, and another day of crying over not being the man by Arod.
Note to Arod.....accept your place. You put up your numbers in the land of losers and obscurity. Youre in the big city now and you dont got what it takes to be the number one man. The sooner you realize it the sooner you may have a chance here under the bright lights.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>Now THAT was clutch! Everybody wonders why us yankee fans have so much love for Jeter?!?! THAT'S WHY!!! In the ninth, 2 outs, we're down 5-4, runner on 3rd, and what does the captain do? What he always does: he gets the fuggin' job done! >>
This is EXACTLY why us Yankee fans have so much love for Jete.
Oh, and to those Sox fans who shot down my opinion about Robinson Cano's return being key, how many RBI's does he have in this series? 10! Which equals what both Ramirez and Ortiz have driven in during this series.
Mark Mulder rookies
Chipper Jones rookies
Orlando Cabrera rookies
Lawrence Taylor
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1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards
Looking for Topps rookies as well.
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Robinson Cano and Melky Cabrera are farm hands that don't belong anywhere near a major league team.
...The Yankees where just grasping at straws with these guys.
-- Yogi Berra
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.