OH BROTHER, Guess the flim-flam man can't hide it anymore
Dollar is down again -.61 at 74.09, this is getting a little scary. >>
what really scares me is the micro-economic type questions being asked of Bernanke, by Congress, right now. i'm not really sure Congress knows the difference. >>
Congress knows , but they don't care. Let's face it, they are the opposite of PROGRESS, and they wrote the laws to accomodate Big Oil Giants, Insurance Companies and Bankers and themselves. That's why they aren't enrolled into the Social Security System.. This is what it's like when you sit in a HIGH CHAIR.
We even can watch them on their own television station, sitting in front of a camera asking silly questions that do nothing but cost us taxpayers money to show us how stupid we are.
If you read the article it has already taken place...and this year 2008/09 they are refusing to sell thier gold into the market...no the damage is past tense and gold only rose...I am a holder of the metal!
<< <i>If you read the article it has already taken place...and this year 2008/09 they are refusing to sell thier gold into the market...no the damage is past tense and gold only rose...I am a holder of the metal! >>
I posted this piece on the last page. Actually we're still in 08 side of the 07/08 year. If I remember right the 08/09 year starts in the fall of 08.
Wayne, look man you have to stay focussed....disasters cost money....Wars cost money....so which one can you eliminate....Oil companies make money right!....Say if you had 12 Companies at least as profitable as Exxon next year after the new Pres is in office we could be blacklinning it...Just think how Exxon does it and repeat 12 times and get the Hell outa Iraq! Do we need the Middle East to exist! You may think so but I do not! Do we need the poison they call Food From China...now we have plenty of Corn Fields right here...we even have oil...do you blieve it!!!! But some work has to be done...but ya know what, it could be done if someone wanted to do something about it! Yes I have looked at my 401K and it is sad, but you know what I have to belive in America because it is all I have. I have to believe that one day my 401K will look quite nice...I have to believe in America because I am an American and I believe in self preservation!
What your saying is right but we need the will to do change have we or will we i don't see in the near future am i american yep signed up for veitnam never when thank god would i sign up in my 50's to defend from outside force yep! Dumb as it sounds i would but facts are facts we need to look out for our own get our heads out of the sand look at the facts i could say we haven't printed well . i have trouble calling it money unless it's yellow and heavy any more
Yeah Wayne, there are many problems. The dollar is being manipulated for reasons we or most of us are not being told about. Yes we are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt and unemployment numbers are growing by the day. Stop and ask yourself why? I think you have heard the answer many times...as we were sold out by NAFTA. If the countries would have followed and traded fairly as the contracts stated, we should have mantained our well being as a nation, But Some nations like China have not kept up with their end of the deal. Now what do we do. We hope we put a President in Office which will turn the broken promisses around...and bring manufacturing back home. Some how come up with a way to SLOW down Chinas growth. Financial Institutional problems have long legs...could bring our economy to a standstill...could, but I don't think it will happen....slow us down on buying yes, is this good or bad? I think in a way it will be good....long as we are able to purchase our needs, we're ok! May last a year or two then we shall again begin to prosper and by that time maybe some of our Corporations have or will be pulling out of the Nafta program and bringing our jobs home....With $4 a gallon gas it may get hard on many people and things could get a little rough with people who are unemployed and have families to feed! You just have to be prepared for the unexpected and hold your ground and do the best you can and if you can afford to help someone in need, it would be the best thing one could do to help control the situation at hand....In times like these people have to learn to share and take charge and be responsible for some people who need help....and things will get better.
It's amazing that politicians, even those in Texas will lie straight out and say there is no such thing.
Hell. Many of us can drive you to the locations where the construction is already underway.
It's also quite a coincidence that our Governor Goodhair and his cronies were buying up that land years ago in anticipation of this and are making millions selling it to whatever institution is in charge of buying the land. Regular folks are being offered values of less than half of what the land is worth and if they say they won't sell, then their property taxes miraculously increase by thousands of percent. If they still won't budge, they are being told that their land will be confiscated and they will receive nothing in return. It will cut Texas in half, farmers and ranchers won't be able to access their land from one side to the other and they are putting up serious fences to keep people out. Those fences belong on the border!! I remember all the crying about the Alaskan pipeline and that is elevated, now the wildlife thrives around it as it is warm. What about the wildlife here? What about domestic life? The only crossings will be at the interstates going East to West and that will be heavily secured. I believe the corridor is supposed to go over the interstates, but it's going to raise Hell with the local residents who will now have to drive hours out of their way just to cross what amounts to a mile or less. Families will be split up, it's a freaking disaster. It must be stopped!!
It's a rather hot button issue down here. I predict violence, probably bloodshed. I can see completed parts of it being blown up by Texas patriots. We've had enough! It's bad enough that the Mexican Army escorts the drug cartels many miles into Texas, we've got plenty of that on videotape. Not much a Sheriff or his deputies can do with single shot weapons against a platoon of Mexican Army regulars with .50 cal machine guns and fully automatic weapons using armored vehicles that we gave them under the guise that they would be used against the drug cartels.
Congress has seen these videos, they choose to ignore it. There is a much bigger picture here and we don't know what it is, except that it's not a good thing for us.
How many of you know that the Fed has built over a dozen OSHA approved bridges across the Rio Grande in Texas alone and not where there are any highways? These are for the Mexicans and terrorists to cross into our country out in the middle of nowhere in comfort.
This is going to come to a head, probably sooner than later.
If we had a real Governor with any brass, he could easily ask for volunteers and we'd stop this crap fast and once and for all. Instead, we've got a traitor in the Governor's Mansion.
There is real trouble brewing and no media source will cover it.
We kicked Mexico's ass once before and there will be no shortage of Texas volunteers to do it again.
"Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
Deadhorse, just like Nagalas, Arizona...bury the suckers... sad thing is our government has created this...but no one remembers it when Bush was first elected....now they say they Need the Mexican vote....I was at a Democratic party around Christmas time and I asked the question why it was not brought up by the Democrates and the resoponse I got was that they needed their Votes! Yeap it does not matter which party you vote for both are using it for political gain....Just remember the Alamo! We are Americans and have the right to defend and protect what is ours...if our strength is shown it could make a difference...but if it starts somewhere it will spread everywhere...the cities are packed full of them...but the only way for it to end is to take a stand!
I know NAFTA was not started by Bush it was a Clinton deal! If it had worked the way they had wanted it to it would have been maybe a good thing, but now we will never now and When Bush was elected he wanted to make Spaish our First Language and open up the borders...Remember all the friendly visits with Presidente FoX!...So this is where we stand...so what to do now is left up to us.
Dreadhorse, are they building a boarder crossing that will be manned by Guards...or is it just going to be bridges left for free crossing? Where does it begin and where will it end!
It sounds like a Bush business and that is the reason no one will touch it! Not even the Govenor.
Remember too that the BUSHES were Deplomates living in China for years!!!!!!!!
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Approximately 7,000 people attended a Ron Paul rally in Austin ( Go Texas! ) and it went virtually unreported. How many would attend if he were given equal press and treatment? 100,000?
These lowlifes in the republican party as well as in the mainstream media have marginalized this great man who is the only presidential candidate who understands economics and also how far this country has gone down the socialist path. He would represent great change from the status quo and that change would result in the greatest economic boom this country has seen.
I met OBAMA, Memorial Day 2005 at the Lincoln National Cemetary... before his deciding to run for President...he was just gaining National Attention at the time...what really grabed me at first was his strong voice...I hope if he becomes the Next President of the United States that his Prsence and his strengths can prevale...because he will be in for the fight of his life and corruption like non other has ever had to deal with....It will not be a easy task! I just hope he can make that Change...
I feel that none of the candidates are what we as a Nation need to come out of this...I don't know what the answer is going to be for our troubles....McCain is a war Hero, but how strong is he when it comes to this mess...his health is not good! Hillary she is attached at the hip to our current problems and then their is OBAMA...just does not look good to me in any form or fashion!
I dont know. I am long silver. I would like to see PMs go through the roof. I also have a large mortgage and student loans. I would like to see hyper inflation to pay them off with cheap dollars.
The problem I see is that wages have not kept up with price increases, perhaps due to our immigration policy (or lack thereof).
Mark Piersall Random Collector www.marksmedals.com
<< <i>I know NAFTA was not started by Bush it was a Clinton deal! If it had worked the way they had wanted it to it would have been maybe a good thing, but now we will never now and When Bush was elected he wanted to make Spaish our First Language and open up the borders...Remember all the friendly visits with Presidente FoX!...So this is where we stand...so what to do now is left up to us. >>
Correction about NAFTA.
NAFTA was a Ronald Reagan proposal from the 1980s that had been worked on through Reagans terms, Bush Sr.'s term, and through Clinton's watch, until he signed it so he wouldn't end up being a lame duck President, even while a Republican dominated congress would have passed it anyway. Clinton also gaive provisions for environmental protection and labor regulations for signing it. That is how politics works.
Look up the North American Accord, which was Reagans original proposal. Here is a Republican website for any of you doubters:
Plans for NAFTA were laid back in 1980. While still on the campaign trail, Ronald Reagan said he "dreamed of a common market stretching from the Yukon to the Yucatan." George Bush in 1990, while making plans to further expand the free trade agreement with Canada, foresaw the day when the countries of North, Central and South America would all be "coequal partners in a free trade zone stretching from the port of Anchorage to Tierra del Fuego."
It was in its final stages when Clinton became president. Under pressure from the Republican Congress he signed it.
I'm just a stickler for historical facts and accuracy.
These lowlifes in the republican party as well as in the mainstream media have marginalized this great man who is the only presidential candidate who understands economics and also how far this country has gone down the socialist path. He would represent great change from the status quo and that change would result in the greatest economic boom this country has seen.
He threatens the way that both democrats & republicans are used to doing business, and he makes too much sense. CNN and FOX both relegated him to 1 or 2 responses in their non-debates.
Yesterday, Bernake looked like he's been told to be polite to Ron Paul, but not to worry too much about any of his questions. He can pretty much be ignored, Ben. Don't worry about the facts.
So much for a discussion of ideas. Buy silver.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
OBAMA has a strong voice? OOOOOOHHH, how impressive!
Seriously, If he's elected (or actually, if ANY of the leading candidates are elected) I see him presiding over a weak USA - financially, militarily, morally, etc. I see very difficult times coming for this country. I've always thougth that the industrial side (for silver) and jewelry side (for gold) will largely temper/mitigate any big advances that come via financial markets, but I think I see a change in the works - that is, that the financial end will start running the show - too few places to put cash, too much turmoil in the world and markets. The industrial/jewelry end of things will matter less and less as time goes on. People (who are able, which won't be many) will gravitate to PM's in an attempt to save their buns.
For the last couple of months the interest rate cuts have not lowered individual 30 year fixed rates. Those rates have increased. 10 year treasury down some today, mysteriously after bernake pointed this out yesterday.. My feeling is that it would stabilize the economy if that rate would lower to the high 4's, low 5's.
Personally, I think Obama would be a worse president than Jimmy Carter.. he is a 'nothing' candidate... no experience, no talent, no record.. NOTHING but a good speaker... Cheers, RickO
<< <i>Personally, I think Obama would be a worse president than Jimmy Carter.. he is a 'nothing' candidate... no experience, no talent, no record.. NOTHING but a good speaker... Cheers, RickO >>
BINGO!!! Someone gets it!!!
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
When one serves his country IN WAR he has earned the Title HERO!!!!! When one runs or allows his family to buy him the opportunity out he is a coward!!!!!
I have not statted my pleaure with either party or candidate...The sellection is very poor in my eyes!!!! And OBAMA as far as I am concerned has no place in the Whitehouse like it has been seed before what has he done to deserve the power...Then tell me what Bush Jr. has done...he bacnkruppted a lot of banks in Texas that no one seemed to recall, and NOW A NATION...if you ask Me this country is in a mess and dropping fast!! What I am really thinking is Hillary and Bill should run the office again and fix the problems they created...I think they would! But OBAMA is out for me....Hillary is the only chance we have to turn it around...now you can bash me...but it is the Truth!!!!!
<< <i>Personally, I think Obama would be a worse president than Jimmy Carter.. he is a 'nothing' candidate... no experience, no talent, no record.. NOTHING but a good speaker... Cheers, RickO >>
He has been in elected office since 1997. That is four years longer than Hillary. A quick search with google produced the following things on just his Senate record. Note he worked with a Republican on all three.
He co-sponsored a bill with Lugar (R) to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists. He worked on a bill with Coburn (R) after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending. He co-sponsored a bill with McCain (of all people) for legislation that called for sharp cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. (it failed)
I'm just a stickler for historical facts and accuracy.
Being captured doesn't make one a hero, but putting one's life on the line by fighting in our armed forces for the good of the United States does. Every honorable member of our military is a hero.
I'm not in the military, never have been, and never will be, but I thoroughly respect the job our soldiers are called on to perform. They're the reason we, as United States citizens, enjoy the many freedoms we do.
<< <i>When did being captured make you a hero? Sorry to continue off topic on this wonderful thread but I am so tired of that " hero " BS. >>
Well, even if you don't believe that being a tortured POW for 5.5 years makes you a hero, what does it make you when you refuse to use your status to secure the early release that he was offered because it could delay the release of another POW who was held longer?
I won't get into the pi$$ing match over the current candidates and their qualifications or patriotism, but how someone can consider all that and not see it as heroic is beyond me. IMO, that transcends politics, and Obama and Clinton won't touch that one because they realize it.
The problem with McCain’s candidacy is that he will do nothing to staunch the huge and unsustainable drain on our financial resources caused by the war in Iraq. In the not so long run, Al-Queda in Iraq is finished, doomed by their nihilistic philosophy and murderous tactics. Iraqis are fed up living in fear that every time they or their wife or child goes to the market, they may be killed by a bomb. The tougher issue for Iraq is going to be whether the Sunnis and Shiites can find a path to political and social reconciliation, and that is something that our Armed Forces cannot do for them.
He has been in elected office since 1997. That is four years longer than Hillary. A quick search with google produced the following things on just his Senate record. Note he worked with a Republican on all three.
He co-sponsored a bill with Lugar (R) to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists. He worked on a bill with Coburn (R) after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending. He co-sponsored a bill with McCain (of all people) for legislation that called for sharp cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. (it failed)
I'm just a stickler for historical facts and accuracy.
Try this on for size:
He was in the Illinois State Senate from 1997 to 2004. Not the US Senate. He has only been there since 2004. Illinois State Senate is... how to put this... not exactly the biggest deal in the world nor is it a qualification to run the most powerful country in the US.
Those bills he co-sponsored with Republicans are also non-political issues except for the one with McCain. Who opposes keeping nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists, or improving oversight of federal spending? Those took real courage, Senator Obama.
Show me when has he ever compromised on any issue that required him to leave the liberal side. As far as I can tell, never. He sat out all of the major compromises between Left and Right since he got to the Senate in 2004 (e.g., the "gang of 14" deal on judges, etc.).
His voting record is also the most liberal in the entire US Senate. That says a lot about what he really thinks and how he would govern.
I'm a believer in "actions speak louder than words." All of his actions show him to be a leftist. He claims he will unite the country but he has never moved one inch to compromise across the aisle on a tough political isssue. We've already had a charismatic young politician promise to unite the country - do you remember how that played out?
If your idea is that Obama -- who has never shown any willingness to compromise anything politically -- will pull a magic unity wand out of his rear end and make pro-lifers support abortion and make Republicans vote to jack up taxes or make Osama bin Laden turn into Gandhi, you're smoking something.
"Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
<< <i> If your idea is that Obama -- who has never shown any willingness to compromise anything politically -- will pull a magic unity wand out of his rear end and make pro-lifers support abortion and make Republicans vote to jack up taxes or make Osama bin Laden turn into Gandhi, you're smoking something.
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He co-sponsored bills with Republicans. That is, by definition, compromise. He HAD to compromise with them on the bill's language to get them to co-sponsor it. If you disagree with that analysis, offer some evidence to support it.
He has never said he wants to turn OBL into Gandhi. I'm not sure where you got that. However, on the subject of OBL, there IS a person who seems to have totally forgotten about him. A guy who sleeps in the White House.
On the subject of abortion, the rates went down under Clinton and up under Bush. Maybe Obama can reverse the trend that Bush started.
<< <i>I Hillary loses the Nomination I am going McCain!!!! Plain and simple. >>
So what is it about socialism that you hold so dear to your heart? What is it about freedom that you despise? >>
There's a very complicated explanation for it. Perhaps you've heard of it. It's called voting for the lesser of two evils. If you are really interested in limiting the size and scope of government, it's not that hard to figure out who you should vote for. Here's a hint: It's not the party seeking to raise taxes through the roof and introduce compulsory socialized health insurance and other massive new government entitlements.
"Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
Our roads, bridges, and levies are falling into a state of disrepair and we do not have the funds to fix them because all of our money is going to Iraq. So we need a supplemental source of revenue. Further, non-productive investment alternatives such as precious metals are diverting capital from industry and stifling economic growth and contributing to the onset of recession. To address this concern, Congress should levy an excise tax on the sale of gold coins, plus a luxury tax on the sale of gold coins minted before 1933.
Edited to add: No sense in limiting it to gold coins, the tax should apply to gold, silver and platinum bullion and ETFs as well.
He co-sponsored bills with Republicans. That is, by definition, compromise. He HAD to compromise with them on the bill's language to get them to co-sponsor it. If you disagree with that analysis, offer some evidence to support it.
He has never said he wants to turn OBL into Gandhi. I'm not sure where you got that. However, on the subject of OBL, there IS a person who seems to have totally forgotten about him. A guy who sleeps in the White House.
On the subject of abortion, the rates went down under Clinton and up under Bush. Maybe Obama can reverse the trend that Bush started.
I don't know where you get your "facts" about abortion. According to AP news article published just last month, "The number of abortions in the United States fell to 1.2 million in 2005, down 25 percent from the all-time high of 1.6 million in 1990, dropping the abortion rate to its lowest level since 1974, the report says." LINK. Bush has also appointed two pro-life judges to the Supreme Court. There is now only a 5-4 majority in favor of Roe v. Wade. Only one more justice to go.
You have a very robotic definition of "compromise." Since every Senator co-sponsors bills at some point or another, all of them, under your definition, are "compromising" all the time. That defies common sense. Obviously some of them are genuinely compromising the ideologies of their party, while most of them are just co-sponsoring when there is no political price to pay.
It seems to me that what matters is whether the bill is political and is disputed as a matter of ideology. That's where the rubber meets the road on real compromise. You have cited essentially a-political legislation he co-sponsored. Why don't you try to find even a single instance where he crossed party lines to compromise on an issue that was actually contested. I can't find a single case where he ever compromised a single liberal holy cow or fought a single liberal interest group. Can you?
"Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
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I have nothing useful to add. However we are one post closer to 5600.
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<< <i>NEWS FLASH!
FED chair fears inflation!
OH BROTHER, Guess the flim-flam man can't hide it anymore
Dollar is down again -.61 at 74.09, this is getting a little scary. >>
what really scares me is the micro-economic type questions being asked of Bernanke, by Congress, right now. i'm not really sure Congress knows the difference. >>
Congress knows , but they don't care. Let's face it, they are the opposite of PROGRESS, and they wrote the laws to accomodate Big Oil Giants, Insurance Companies and Bankers and themselves. That's why they aren't enrolled into the Social Security System..
This is what it's like when you sit in a HIGH CHAIR.
We even can watch them on their own television station, sitting in front of a camera asking silly questions that do nothing but cost us taxpayers money to show us how stupid we are.
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I have nothing useful to add. However we are one post closer to 5600. >>
I should have just shut up at 5599, eh ?
What was I talking about anyway ?
the good old days.
<< <i>Central Bank gold sales seen at 500 t in '07/08 >>
Interesting article in Kitco.... what to do? sell? ... or take a chance & hold?
Article
<< <i>If you read the article it has already taken place...and this year 2008/09 they are refusing to sell thier gold into the market...no the damage is past tense and gold only rose...I am a holder of the metal! >>
I posted this piece on the last page. Actually we're still in 08 side of the 07/08 year. If I remember right the 08/09 year starts in the fall of 08.
What your saying is right but we need the will to do change have we or will we i don't see in the near future am i american yep signed up for veitnam never when thank god would i sign up in my 50's to defend from outside force yep! Dumb as it sounds i would but facts are facts we need to look out for our own get our heads out of the sand look at the facts
i could say we haven't printed well . i have trouble calling it money
unless it's yellow and heavy any more
to us on NAFTA and similar giveaways.
Now we hear about the Texas Corridor, to allow
Chinese goods to be landed in Mexico and be moved
to the USA thru the corridor.I am truly amazed at how
much the American electorate has been misled by everyone.
Russ Perrot warned us about what would happen and too few
people listened. It's too bad that RP was also a bit of a Looney Toon.
Camelot
<< <i>Both parties have sold us out and lied
to us on NAFTA and similar giveaways.
Now we hear about the Texas Corridor, to allow
Chinese goods to be landed in Mexico and be moved
to the USA thru the corridor. >>
Ah, the famous corridor.
It's amazing that politicians, even those in Texas will lie straight out and say there is no such thing.
Hell. Many of us can drive you to the locations where the construction is already underway.
It's also quite a coincidence that our Governor Goodhair and his cronies were buying up that land years ago in anticipation of this and are making millions selling it to whatever institution is in charge of buying the land. Regular folks are being offered values of less than half of what the land is worth and if they say they won't sell, then their property taxes miraculously increase by thousands of percent. If they still won't budge, they are being told that their land will be confiscated and they will receive nothing in return. It will cut Texas in half, farmers and ranchers won't be able to access their land from one side to the other and they are putting up serious fences to keep people out. Those fences belong on the border!! I remember all the crying about the Alaskan pipeline and that is elevated, now the wildlife thrives around it as it is warm. What about the wildlife here? What about domestic life? The only crossings will be at the interstates going East to West and that will be heavily secured. I believe the corridor is supposed to go over the interstates, but it's going to raise Hell with the local residents who will now have to drive hours out of their way just to cross what amounts to a mile or less. Families will be split up, it's a freaking disaster. It must be stopped!!
It's a rather hot button issue down here. I predict violence, probably bloodshed. I can see completed parts of it being blown up by Texas patriots. We've had enough! It's bad enough that the Mexican Army escorts the drug cartels many miles into Texas, we've got plenty of that on videotape. Not much a Sheriff or his deputies can do with single shot weapons against a platoon of Mexican Army regulars with .50 cal machine guns and fully automatic weapons using armored vehicles that we gave them under the guise that they would be used against the drug cartels.
Congress has seen these videos, they choose to ignore it. There is a much bigger picture here and we don't know what it is, except that it's not a good thing for us.
How many of you know that the Fed has built over a dozen OSHA approved bridges across the Rio Grande in Texas alone and not where there are any highways? These are for the Mexicans and terrorists to cross into our country out in the middle of nowhere in comfort.
This is going to come to a head, probably sooner than later.
If we had a real Governor with any brass, he could easily ask for volunteers and we'd stop this crap fast and once and for all. Instead, we've got a traitor in the Governor's Mansion.
There is real trouble brewing and no media source will cover it.
We kicked Mexico's ass once before and there will be no shortage of Texas volunteers to do it again.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
I know NAFTA was not started by Bush it was a Clinton deal! If it had worked the way they had wanted it to it would have been maybe a good thing, but now we will never now and When Bush was elected he wanted to make Spaish our First Language and open up the borders...Remember all the friendly visits with Presidente FoX!...So this is where we stand...so what to do now is left up to us.
It sounds like a Bush business and that is the reason no one will touch it! Not even the Govenor.
Remember too that the BUSHES were Deplomates living in China for years!!!!!!!!
And all the Friendship with the Clintons!!! What a tangled web!
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
These lowlifes in the republican party as well as in the mainstream media have marginalized this great man who is the only presidential candidate who understands economics and also how far this country has gone down the socialist path. He would represent great change from the status quo and that change would result in the greatest economic boom this country has seen.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
An Obama win is good or bad for PMs?
What about a McCain win?
And why?
Random Collector
www.marksmedals.com
<< <i>So, can someone tie all this back to Gold, silver and/or economic predictions?
An Obama win is good or bad for PMs?
What about a McCain win?
And why? >>
It IS.
More welfare and warfare.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
I also have a large mortgage and student loans. I would like to see hyper inflation to pay them off with cheap dollars.
The problem I see is that wages have not kept up with price increases, perhaps due to our immigration policy (or lack thereof).
Random Collector
www.marksmedals.com
<< <i>I know NAFTA was not started by Bush it was a Clinton deal! If it had worked the way they had wanted it to it would have been maybe a good thing, but now we will never now and When Bush was elected he wanted to make Spaish our First Language and open up the borders...Remember all the friendly visits with Presidente FoX!...So this is where we stand...so what to do now is left up to us. >>
Correction about NAFTA.
NAFTA was a Ronald Reagan proposal from the 1980s that had been worked on through Reagans terms, Bush Sr.'s term, and through Clinton's watch, until he signed it so he wouldn't end up being a lame duck President, even while a Republican dominated congress would have passed it anyway. Clinton also gaive provisions for environmental protection and labor regulations for signing it. That is how politics works.
Look up the North American Accord, which was Reagans original proposal. Here is a Republican website for any of you doubters:
Link To Heritage Foundation
Plans for NAFTA were laid back in 1980. While still on the campaign trail, Ronald Reagan said he "dreamed of a common market stretching from the Yukon to the Yucatan." George Bush in 1990, while making plans to further expand the free trade agreement with Canada, foresaw the day when the countries of North, Central and South America would all be "coequal partners in a free trade zone stretching from the port of Anchorage to Tierra del Fuego."
It was in its final stages when Clinton became president. Under pressure from the Republican Congress he signed it.
I'm just a stickler for historical facts and accuracy.
He threatens the way that both democrats & republicans are used to doing business, and he makes too much sense. CNN and FOX both relegated him to 1 or 2 responses in their non-debates.
Yesterday, Bernake looked like he's been told to be polite to Ron Paul, but not to worry too much about any of his questions. He can pretty much be ignored, Ben. Don't worry about the facts.
So much for a discussion of ideas. Buy silver.
I knew it would happen.
Seriously, If he's elected (or actually, if ANY of the leading candidates are elected) I see him presiding over a weak USA - financially, militarily, morally, etc. I see very difficult times coming for this country. I've always thougth that the industrial side (for silver) and jewelry side (for gold) will largely temper/mitigate any big advances that come via financial markets, but I think I see a change in the works - that is, that the financial end will start running the show - too few places to put cash, too much turmoil in the world and markets. The industrial/jewelry end of things will matter less and less as time goes on. People (who are able, which won't be many) will gravitate to PM's in an attempt to save their buns.
The Numismatic Political Council ?
NPC ... it sounds good, eh ?
For the last couple of months the interest rate cuts have not lowered individual 30 year
fixed rates. Those rates have increased. 10 year treasury down some today, mysteriously after bernake pointed this
out yesterday.. My feeling is that it would stabilize the economy if that rate would lower to the high 4's, low 5's.
"....McCain is a war Hero"
I am confused, what did he do that made him a hero?
<< <i>Personally, I think Obama would be a worse president than Jimmy Carter.. he is a 'nothing' candidate... no experience, no talent, no record.. NOTHING but a good speaker... Cheers, RickO >>
BINGO!!! Someone gets it!!!
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>"....McCain is a war Hero"
I am confused, what did he do that made him a hero? >>
When did being captured make you a hero? Sorry to continue off topic on this wonderful thread but I am so tired of that " hero " BS.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
I have not statted my pleaure with either party or candidate...The sellection is very poor in my eyes!!!! And OBAMA as far as I am concerned has no place in the Whitehouse like it has been seed before what has he done to deserve the power...Then tell me what Bush Jr. has done...he bacnkruppted a lot of banks in Texas that no one seemed to recall, and NOW A NATION...if you ask Me this country is in a mess and dropping fast!! What I am really thinking is Hillary and Bill should run the office again and fix the problems they created...I think they would! But OBAMA is out for me....Hillary is the only chance we have to turn it around...now you can bash me...but it is the Truth!!!!!
<< <i>Personally, I think Obama would be a worse president than Jimmy Carter.. he is a 'nothing' candidate... no experience, no talent, no record.. NOTHING but a good speaker... Cheers, RickO >>
He has been in elected office since 1997. That is four years longer than Hillary. A quick search with google produced the following things on just his Senate record. Note he worked with a Republican on all three.
He co-sponsored a bill with Lugar (R) to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists.
He worked on a bill with Coburn (R) after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending.
He co-sponsored a bill with McCain (of all people) for legislation that called for sharp cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. (it failed)
I'm just a stickler for historical facts and accuracy.
I'm not in the military, never have been, and never will be, but I thoroughly respect the job our soldiers are called on to perform. They're the reason we, as United States citizens, enjoy the many freedoms we do.
RJ
<< <i>When did being captured make you a hero? Sorry to continue off topic on this wonderful thread but I am so tired of that " hero " BS. >>
Well, even if you don't believe that being a tortured POW for 5.5 years makes you a hero, what does it make you when you refuse to use your status to secure the early release that he was offered because it could delay the release of another POW who was held longer?
I won't get into the pi$$ing match over the current candidates and their qualifications or patriotism, but how someone can consider all that and not see it as heroic is beyond me. IMO, that transcends politics, and Obama and Clinton won't touch that one because they realize it.
CG
He co-sponsored a bill with Lugar (R) to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists.
He worked on a bill with Coburn (R) after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending.
He co-sponsored a bill with McCain (of all people) for legislation that called for sharp cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. (it failed)
I'm just a stickler for historical facts and accuracy.
Try this on for size:
He was in the Illinois State Senate from 1997 to 2004. Not the US Senate. He has only been there since 2004. Illinois State Senate is... how to put this... not exactly the biggest deal in the world nor is it a qualification to run the most powerful country in the US.
Those bills he co-sponsored with Republicans are also non-political issues except for the one with McCain. Who opposes keeping nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists, or improving oversight of federal spending? Those took real courage, Senator Obama.
Show me when has he ever compromised on any issue that required him to leave the liberal side. As far as I can tell, never. He sat out all of the major compromises between Left and Right since he got to the Senate in 2004 (e.g., the "gang of 14" deal on judges, etc.).
His voting record is also the most liberal in the entire US Senate. That says a lot about what he really thinks and how he would govern.
I'm a believer in "actions speak louder than words." All of his actions show him to be a leftist. He claims he will unite the country but he has never moved one inch to compromise across the aisle on a tough political isssue. We've already had a charismatic young politician promise to unite the country - do you remember how that played out?
If your idea is that Obama -- who has never shown any willingness to compromise anything politically -- will pull a magic unity wand out of his rear end and make pro-lifers support abortion and make Republicans vote to jack up taxes or make Osama bin Laden turn into Gandhi, you're smoking something.
<< <i>I Hillary loses the Nomination I am going McCain!!!! Plain and simple. >>
So what is it about socialism that you hold so dear to your heart? What is it about freedom that you despise?
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<< <i> If your idea is that Obama -- who has never shown any willingness to compromise anything politically -- will pull a magic unity wand out of his rear end and make pro-lifers support abortion and make Republicans vote to jack up taxes or make Osama bin Laden turn into Gandhi, you're smoking something.
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He co-sponsored bills with Republicans. That is, by definition, compromise. He HAD to compromise with them on the bill's language to get them to co-sponsor it. If you disagree with that analysis, offer some evidence to support it.
He has never said he wants to turn OBL into Gandhi. I'm not sure where you got that. However, on the subject of OBL, there IS a person who seems to have totally forgotten about him. A guy who sleeps in the White House.
On the subject of abortion, the rates went down under Clinton and up under Bush. Maybe Obama can reverse the trend that Bush started.
Abortion rates
I'm just a stickler for historical facts and accuracy.
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<< <i>I Hillary loses the Nomination I am going McCain!!!! Plain and simple. >>
So what is it about socialism that you hold so dear to your heart? What is it about freedom that you despise? >>
There's a very complicated explanation for it. Perhaps you've heard of it. It's called voting for the lesser of two evils. If you are really interested in limiting the size and scope of government, it's not that hard to figure out who you should vote for. Here's a hint: It's not the party seeking to raise taxes through the roof and introduce compulsory socialized health insurance and other massive new government entitlements.
Edited to add: No sense in limiting it to gold coins, the tax should apply to gold, silver and platinum bullion and ETFs as well.
CG
He has never said he wants to turn OBL into Gandhi. I'm not sure where you got that. However, on the subject of OBL, there IS a person who seems to have totally forgotten about him. A guy who sleeps in the White House.
On the subject of abortion, the rates went down under Clinton and up under Bush. Maybe Obama can reverse the trend that Bush started.
I don't know where you get your "facts" about abortion. According to AP news article published just last month, "The number of abortions in the United States fell to 1.2 million in 2005, down 25 percent from the all-time high of 1.6 million in 1990, dropping the abortion rate to its lowest level since 1974, the report says." LINK.
Bush has also appointed two pro-life judges to the Supreme Court. There is now only a 5-4 majority in favor of Roe v. Wade. Only one more justice to go.
You have a very robotic definition of "compromise." Since every Senator co-sponsors bills at some point or another, all of them, under your definition, are "compromising" all the time. That defies common sense. Obviously some of them are genuinely compromising the ideologies of their party, while most of them are just co-sponsoring when there is no political price to pay.
It seems to me that what matters is whether the bill is political and is disputed as a matter of ideology. That's where the rubber meets the road on real compromise. You have cited essentially a-political legislation he co-sponsored. Why don't you try to find even a single instance where he crossed party lines to compromise on an issue that was actually contested. I can't find a single case where he ever compromised a single liberal holy cow or fought a single liberal interest group. Can you?