67Standup - that appears to be only the 4th PSA 9 OPC 1980 Yaz. In addition, there is not a single PSA 9 included in the leaders on the Yaz Master set (#1 set is not shown but 2 thru 5 need it). With that kind of demand, it could hit nice bidding war. Sorry to hijack the Ryan thread
Here is a scan of the 1982 Astrosports magazine card you asked me about before. It has a couple of small smudges and the back is a little off center, but not bad for a magazine card.
<< <i>Now were both issued in small waxpacks? How were they distributed? >>
Salinas, The "Coming Soon" stickers (shown on the left) were inserts in regular issue Topps wax packs. The normal stickers (shown on the right), were issued in their own pack. Here's a scan of the sticker pack:
Keith wrote, "Nice to hear you will be making a long-awaited comeback! Now, if we could only round up Scott Jeanblanc, Mudflapper, Brent, and Steve Dawson we could relive the glory days of the Nolan Ryan thread! "
Thank you for the inclusion Keith. I still have fond memories of my time in the NRMS group but the word coming out of PSA HQ concerning the quantities of cards that can be included only confirms my decision to exit. I am collecting my 2 favorite players right now, Bo and Frank, and I am seriously questioning my Frank Thomas Master commitment. The Bo Jackson sets are manageable and should continue to be.
In any event, good luck to you all and I will continue to lurk on the best thread at the PSA forums.
Brent
Collecting: Bo Jackson Basic(#1) and Master(#1) Bob Feller Basic(#4) Sam McDowell Basic(#1) 2004 Cracker Jack Master
I feel the same way... That is why for now I am going to stick with the basic set. Once I get my set back to 80% or so, I might venture over to the Ryan Topps set... but that will be a year or two away.
... The master set however will never be one of my goals.
I have always wondered what ever happend to Scott ? I enjoyed the early days and have often thought about starting to buy some Ryans again . There were not too many Ryan cards I don't like and believe it or not I like the Star and Pacific stuff but not enough to get them graded. I just can't stand Sportflics or Looney Tunes but other than that I enjoyed them and kind of wish I never had to sell to meet financial obligations. I still do have alot of Ryan cards its just that they are not graded or graded by SGC.
I'm still here...I've just been concentrating on other areas of my collection for the past few months. With PSA adding so many cards to the NR Master set, I'm pretty sure I'm done with it. I'll still be active in the Topps and Basic sets though.
Nice to see some old members drop by for a visit! Anyone here from Mudflappy lately?
I echo everyone's sentiments on the NRMS. It's quickly burning me out. I am also considering reducing my Ryan collection to the Basic set, other true rarities, and a few faves. I will never get any higher than I am now, because I refuse to submit any Pacific cards for grading (aside from the #1 I sent in).
I agree with you on that one Keith. The master set is an absolute monster, especially with all the $0.25 cards. I figured the Topps and Basic sets were just as fun and less frustrating
Currently collecting the Nolan Ryan Basic and Topps Player sets.
WOW, I had to go searching for this thread... No posts in almost a month now, and it wasn't even on the first 7 pages so I really did have to do a search...
Just a question for those in the know...
Looking through the SMR I noticed that the price for a 1975 Topps Nolan Ryan #500 in PSA 9 was decreased to $560 recently.
I just saw one sell on ebay for over $2100.00 and I have never seen one go for under $1200, so why on earth did it just get marked down to $560? If anything, it needs to be adjusted to at least $1300-$1500. Heck, in the eBay auction there were 5 different people that all bid $1675 or higher.
Are you still alive? Someone has overtaken your long reign as #1 on the Ryan basic and master sets... it looks like your Ryan Topps set is going to fall any day now too.
1981-82 Topps Basketball PSA 9 or 10 1992-93 Topps Basketball PSA 9 or 10 1976 Topps Baseball PSA 9 or 10 1981 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers PSA 9 or 10 1982 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers PSA 9 or 10 1986 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers PSA 9 or 10 1975 Topps Wacky Packages Series 15 PSA 9 or 10
<< <i>Are you still alive? Someone has overtaken your long reign as #1 on the Ryan basic and master sets... it looks like your Ryan Topps set is going to fall any day now too. >>
Jon... I'm still out here... as far as Ryan and the PSA set registry... I really don't give a shit.
The people passing me are loading up on 1990 and newer crap... and more power to them for having the patience to deal with the insanity that master set checklist has become... I'm toast and I've got old stuff they'll never get their hands on and that suits my collection just fine!
Why not just focus on the Basic and Topps sets? I found that a little bit more sane. I find those cards a lot more satisfying than trying to get a bunch of round cards graded.
Justin
Currently collecting the Nolan Ryan Basic and Topps Player sets.
Hello all. I am interested to know if anyone on this thread was interviewed for the upcoming Nolan Ryan set story, to appear in SMR? If so, which cards were you asked to scan for the article. I thought their selection of cards from my set was rather boring to say the least.
Thanks for reading.
terry
Collecting Nolan Ryan Master, 1968 Basic, and WHA, as well as unused and authentic tickets from 60s-70s rock concerts.
I was asked to scan my 68 rookie (a measly old PSA 8 by the way) as well as my 77 Topps 650 (PSA 9) and one other card that escapes my mind right now, but also nothing really "special". I offered up my deckle edge (again, only a PSA 8--but at least an interesting card in my opinion) as well as some oddball cards that seemed to be of interest to the reviewer, but I guess not to the editor. Those included: 1971 Dell Team Stamp (only PSA 10), Desert Storm cards, 91 UD auto, 93 Humpty Dumpty (not an expensive card, just one that makes me chuckle every time I think about Ryan selling potato chips), 93 Pinn Cooperstown Dufex, 94 Topps pre-productions (always interesting to me, as you get to see Ryan in both portrait and landscape format.)
So I guess I just assumed that an article on Nolan Ryan's Master Set would include some of the rarer cards. I hope someone at least was asked to contribute the deckle or either Venezuelan. Would be sad to see the article without some of the rarer pieces.
Speaking of, congrats on the 68 Venezuelan rookie. It's a beauty.
terry
Collecting Nolan Ryan Master, 1968 Basic, and WHA, as well as unused and authentic tickets from 60s-70s rock concerts.
And yes, I was interviewed for the article. The writer is from Toronto, so we bonded over stories of all things Canadian. I don't know what he was expecting in regards to the interview, but we discussed everything from my favorite card, to how large the set will one day grow to, how I started collecting Ryan as well what I do for a living. Having done a few interviews over the years where the writer sounds amazed by your story, I will assume like the others it will all be cut down to a three line paragraph that will bore everyone.... except my mother.... to tears. Hope not.
terry
Collecting Nolan Ryan Master, 1968 Basic, and WHA, as well as unused and authentic tickets from 60s-70s rock concerts.
Cogratulations on your interview. Look forward to reading the article. I too am surprised that you weren't asked for scans of rarer Ryan cards for the article, but maybe the person doing the article may not be aware of what's out there for Ryan items.
Thanks for the compliment on my Ryan Venezuelan. I've had it for about 5-6 years. When I picked it up it was the highest PSA graded 1968 Ryan Venezuelan. Now there are 3 with the same PSA 5 grade, but still non higher to this date.
I've checked out "the Donato collection", very impressive to say the least. I just added the 77 Venezuelan sticker to my collection and am proud of that piece. I thought it and the rookie would be the last two cards I would need to add. Cross one off the list and wait another 5 years for the second one! All kidding aside, it is a gem and you should be proud. There is only one card I regret passing on, the Red Barn disc, and only because I was on my way out of the country and I did not set aside enough time to research how really rare that stupid coaster is. Sorry to anyone who is a disc fan, to me they are mere coasters and not worthy of the 2-4s they pull ratings wise.
Slowly I have been reading this thread from beginning to end, and I have been enjoying the debate on the size of the Master set, and what should, or should not, be included. I will leave my 2 cents out of it for now, but it is interesting to hear the different debates and theories. One of the questions I was asked was "How large do you see this set growing to in the end?" and honestly I can not see it stopping until at least one thousand. Someone will slowly over time add every single Pacific card, or come across random other cards that can be graded. Now with the even larger PSA holders, I wait for the day when someone starts added squares of cards (2x2) or doubles cut side by side. I assume PSA would grade these, or maybe they wouldn't. Donato, your avatar is another Venezuelan sticker, 72 is it?, why hasn't anyone added that to the set registry? It definately deserves to be there IMHO.
As for Gonzer, thank you as well for welcoming me here. I appreciate that. I might not have the knowledge and years of experience like other members here, but I probably do bring a unique view to the set, having been a decades long collector of other items such as rare unused concert tickets (Doors, Led Zep, Who, Jimi-- all from the Fillmore in late 60's, early '70s), as well as comic books and pop art such as Warhol. I hope to both learn from everyone here as well as being able to add my two cents now and then.
Getting back to the writer, his name is Glew and he has written many articles for SMR in the past. He seemed to know what he was talking to in regard to some of the rarer cards, (deckle, Venezuelans, etc), but we only really grazed over the cards themselves. As a Ryan collector I would much rather have seen the first 10 cards on the list, hell 3, than my 77 Topps! It will be interesting to see what pics make the piece in the end. He would not share with me who else he was interviewing, only that it was "a couple more". I assumed Keith would be on that list, however since I have not read anything from him about it, I don't know.
terry
Collecting Nolan Ryan Master, 1968 Basic, and WHA, as well as unused and authentic tickets from 60s-70s rock concerts.
Thanks for the compliment regarding my collection.
Congrats on adding the ’77 Venezuelan sticker to your registry. It is one addition you should be very proud of.
Regarding the discs, the Red Barn, the Saga and Customized are the toughest to find IMO. I’ve not seen more than a few of each in more than 10 years.
The question of how large the Master set will get is very interesting and it has spawned many different opinions and theories. I’m only going to say that just adding all the different Pacific cards and all the different STAR Co. cards will put the Master set at over 1,300 cards. At which point we have to ask ourselves, is it worth grading about 600 cards that for the most part are worth less than the grading fee?
You are correct about my avatar; it is a ’72 Venezuelan sticker. I agree with you that it belongs in the Registry. To date I think less than 10 Venezuelan stickers from 1972 have been graded, with no Nolan Ryan. My Ryan sticker presents itself very well on the front, but would only grade a PSA 1 due to paper loss on the reverse. These stickers are extremely rare as I have only seen one Ryan and have heard of only 2 others in over 10 years. David Levin has the largest collection of the ’72 stickers, but he does not have a Ryan available last time I checked. In short I don’t think we will see many of these graded.
Well, congrats on the interview and I will be looking forward to the article when it comes out.
Welcome Terry I would like to see a picture of that 75 SSPC Superstars card you have in your set. Tough card
Don't let Donato fool you he is President of the Nolan Ryan Collectors Club I would think a picture of a rare card from the 4 decades would have been a nice touch? 68 Venezualen 74 Deckle 82 Topps Blackless or 85 Topps Mini 93 Flair Promo
<< <i>Welcome Terry I would like to see a picture of that 75 SSPC Superstars card you have in your set. Tough card
Don't let Donato fool you he is President of the Nolan Ryan Collectors Club I would think a picture of a rare card from the 4 decades would have been a nice touch? 68 Venezualen 74 Deckle 82 Topps Blackless or 85 Topps Mini 93 Flair Promo
and you get him in all four uniforms? >>
Jackstraw...
Thanks...
I agree that your selection of cards would be great for the article.
Thank you for your replies. I would like to throw out a few questions:
Donato, you discuss the rarity of the discs, and I agree wholeheartedly, now that I have done some research and read comments by pros like yourself. My question to you though is are these really cards? Call me a traditionalist, (I still decry the addition of shoot outs to NHL hockey games... this is NOT soccer people!), but when I close my eyes and think about what a "trading card" is.... I do not think about the round coasters that sit on my mother's coffee table in Canada. Sure it has his pic, his stats, etc., but to me a card is a card. Topps from the 50s on, Goudey, Cracker Jacks, even T206. Those are cards. Maybe it's the fact that it is perfectly round? But no, because I kind of like the Topps coins. Is it the fact that they were unlicensed? No, I love MooTown Snacks cards, et al like them. So I guess it is the fact they remind me of bloody coasters. Anyone else in on me with this one? Either way they are part of the set and should remain there IMHO.
As for what else should be a part of the Master set.... this is where life gets really complicated. Like my distaste for the aforementioned coasters/discs, I know there are a lot of people who hate (dislike) the Star and Pacific cards. I have read some great statements on the debate, including "why should cards count that are readily purchased in a box set so you know what you are already receiving", which of course pertains to the Pacific cards that came in complete sets of 110 cards. Good point, however the other side of that statement then brings up the Topps Tiffany, Fleer Gloosy cards. Those were purchased in complete sets and were not acquired through pack purchase. At least I think that statement is correct. So we start to discount those cards as well? Of course not. Same for those whacky Topps boxed sets like Woolworth and KMart or even the Classic travel card sets. Sure they feature really ugly, trying too hard to be hip designs, but a card is a card. If it was licensed, released at mass, or even unlicensed by MLB, MLBPA but licensed singularily by Nolan himself, than in my opinion all such cards should be fair game. This is the Master set afterall, not the Topps or Basic.
The debate about grading cards that are worth little if anything is also a very valid point. Anyone can buy a Pacific 1991 set of 110 cards on ebay for roughly $10 and spend another $550-1650 (depending on special) getting them graded. Are they worth that in the end? Well that's up for debate. To me and others, yes. These cards are a part of the legacy, (a huge set for a huge man, from the state where everything is big---should be the tagline for the Master set), of the world's greatest pitcher. I understand that not everyone wants to spend this rediculous amount of money to have these cards graded, and I agree to a degree that it is sheer madnees. However, if we truly want to create a MASTER set, and not just a master set, (notice the caps), then sadly every card should be included. I have had discussions with Ryan collectors who would like to see the set expanded to include present day cards! Can you imagine? A Master set, well maybe it would have to be renamed Ultimate, that would be over 5,000 cards. Grading alone would top $25,000, before the cost of the cards. Now that is where I draw the line in the sand. Let's get back to those nickel Pacific cards. Do they feature the most creative or unique design? No. But in their defense check out other designs by Classic, Topps (1987) and Donruss (pretty much anything mid '80s) and you can see they are no alone in their horrid graphic deisgn. So is it the fact that they are literally useless destruction of North America's natural evengreeen forests for the production of a paper item that no one really likes, which in the end are worth 9/10ths of a penny? ($10 set/110 cards) Then what about the 1983 Fleer stamps as an example for the other side of this debate. I just bought 20 sets of all 72 stamps for $10. Obviously these cards are plentiful if I can purchase twenty complete sets for $10. Or what about the 1991 Donruss Coke sets that can be purchased for $6 a box... or the Whataburger or Barry Colla sets which are only a buck or two more. (Coke $6/26 cards=23 cents per) I'm not stating that my views are 100% correct or should be de facto for the set, it's only my humble opinion. Where DO you draw the line? Honestly, I think PSA has done a pretty good job, with the option of collecting any/all of the three sets. You only want to collect Topps, because Topps is "America's #1 card company, past, present and future", then you have your set. If you only want to collect cards from only "legitimate" card companies like Topps, Donruss, Upper Deck, Score, Fleer, etc., well you have your choice as well. But if you have the time, the stupidity and the money to collect every single card ever released with Nolan's image on it, when then you have your choice too. Just be prepared to wake up one day and wonder why you even started working on this rediculously large set. Oh and tell your accountant it will be worth millions as the decades slip past us.
As for Jackstraw's list of cards that should have been included in the article, I could not agree more. What a perfect list; every decade, every team. Brilliant.
my two cents, terry
Collecting Nolan Ryan Master, 1968 Basic, and WHA, as well as unused and authentic tickets from 60s-70s rock concerts.
You have valid points. I'm with you on the Pacific cards and how those should be counted. After reading your first paragraph, I came to the same conclusion you did in your second paragraph. Why not have a Master set (without Pacific, 1968-1994 only), and an Ultimate set (everything Nolan Ryan)? Maybe somewhere down the line someone's going to be crazy and grade an entire Pacific set and stuff after 1994. I think this solution is fair and simple. It can't be hard to implement.
Justin
Currently collecting the Nolan Ryan Basic and Topps Player sets.
As far as the Ryan discs go I do not consider them cards. I look at them more like small display items or like pogs. When I think about what a “trading card” is, like you I only see rectangle shaped pieces of cardboard that we flipped or traded as kids.
As far as the Pacific and Star cards go I don’t dislike the cards, only that it seems pointless to pay more to put a card in a holder than what it’s worth or will sell for on the open market. This only benefits PSA and only makes sense if you have disposable cash to do so. It will not make sense to the average collector (such as myself) with a limited budget that may have to sell his collection at some point in time, to buy a house, start a family or to pay for college. I may be wrong, but I believe most collectors fall in this category. That was my only point. If you can afford to do it by all means do it. I always believe one should do the very best they can given the resources they have.
For those willing to attempt the task of grading ALL the Pacific and STAR Co. cards here is a general break down of those 2 sets and the cost of grading at the $5 special.
PACIFIC CARDS: At only $5 per card it will cost $2085 just to grade all the different Pacific card variations. Here is a rough break down of the cards.
Pacific Series I-card #’s 1-110 Pacific Series II-card #’s 111-220 Pacific Series III-card #’s 221-250 Pacific Advil-card #’s 1-27
That’s 277 different regular issue cards. Now add to that 140 different special or insert cards that are composed of white border, silver border, silver holographic border, gold border, gold holographic border, silver prism and gold prism, 10 different “ghostwriting” cards and 2 autographed cards. That’s a total of 417 different Pacific cards.
STAR CO. CARDS At only $5 per card it will cost $1395 just to grade all the different Star card variations. Here is a rough break down of the cards.
There are 27 different PROMO cards that came out between 1985 and 1992. Some are limited to as many as 800 cards while others are limited to as few as 50 cards.
There are 8 different 11 card sets for a total of 88 different cards. Now the differences between some of these sets are that one set has a flat finish which I believe several thousand sets were produced and some sets have a high gloss finish with as few as 50 sets produced.
There are 15 different 9 card sets for a total of 135 different cards. Some of these sets are limited to as many as 2000 sets and some are limited to as few as 500 sets produced.
There is a 5 card set which I'm not sure of the production but I have not seen many. My guess would be less than 500 sets produced.
There is a set with 8 panels with 3 cards on each panel. This is not that scarce. I would guess more than 1000 sets produced.
That’s a total of 279 different STAR Co. cards.
These numbers are pretty accurate as I have all these cards except for one Pacific and one STAR Co. card that I am still looking for. This will be a daunting task for anyone willing to undertake it.
The 74 Deckle, 82 Blackless and 85 Mini were relatively easy as compared to Bob's Topps 1970 Cloth. If that becomes part of a master set, Bob is the master.
<< <i>The 74 Deckle, 82 Blackless and 85 Mini were relatively easy as compared to Bob's Topps 1970 Cloth. If that becomes part of a master set, Bob is the master. >>
Bishop...
I agree as Bob has the one and only 1970 Ryan Cloth sticker that I am aware of. He would definitely be the master.
<< <i>You mean everyone doesn't have one of these: >>
I agree with Robert. My local card shop has three in varying conditions, and I saw at least five on HSN. I think that loud guy was attempting to swim in a pile of them.
First off, I love seeing new Ryan items that I had no idea existed. Thanks to Robert for scanning the 70 cloth sticker. How was this item distributed? Was it a test item that was never released, or a promo of some kind? You have peaked my curiousity to say the least! I looked at the population report and I don't see it mentioned anywhere, so I assume this could be a one, two or handful only produced item? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Getting back to the Master set debate, I was using conservative numbers only. I obtained a list of all of the Ryan Star cards from a seller on ebay and you are right Donato, there are a lot of star variations, including the regular and glossy versions. I had one of the 85 white promo cards graded the other week, (the strange one with the NBA logo on the back), and PSA would not add it to the set. They said not enough were graded to date by them (less than 5) and that it wasn't a real promo. I told them I disagreed as there there was a 86 set (the one that came bagged in strips of three), but there was no convincing them. So in the end, who knows what will or won't be added in the end anyway. I guess for me the number one reason for including all the Pacific and Star cards is that I don't want my collecting of this set to end any time soon. I started this collecting this set after my father passed away and it was a way for me to keep his memory alive and in my thoughts on a daily basis. We had great times watching and discussing Nolan over the years. So I like thinking that this set will continue to grow and I will be collecting it for another 2-3 years. Will someone at one point drop a ton of Pacific cards during a $5 special. Of course. Will I send one or two every few months, yes. At that rate though, this set will grew over the long term. To me these are legit cards and should be part of the set, right or wrong, cheap or expensive. I've been working on my 68 Topps set for just as long, (only PSA 8s), and I think that set is only 12% complete. Maybe less, I haven't been there for a bit. I would think that collectors would rather add a card here and there that cost them $1 to buy and $5 to grade, then save up hundreds of those submissions and purchase one 68 Venezuelan for $5000-8000, that garners a 10 on the rating scale. Sure the Venezuelan rookie is rarer and is a crown jewel in a collection, (along with the other Venezuelan stickers and now this cloth sticker mentioned above), but how many people even if infused with enough cash, will ever be able to own one. The Pacifics and Stars are readily acceptable and for a common collector, or better yet a younger person wanting to start this set, this is a more viable option for them. Like i said, I understand both points of view.
At least we can all come together and agree how great this man was.
Collecting Nolan Ryan Master, 1968 Basic, and WHA, as well as unused and authentic tickets from 60s-70s rock concerts.
Bob is the expert and the only oneI know personally who has any of them. Lemke listed 18 of them in the 05 SCD Catalog; maybe there are more in the 06. I think Bob has 10 or so. Lemke also hints there may not be more than one of some or all of them and they were never in distribution. Three of the players are said to have poses different than their regular 70 card. They are blank backed and un numbered....and Bob has been pretty much of a pig about them :-)
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PSA Order Status for Submission # 590026
LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 31519176 1973 O-PEE-CHEE 615 ROOKIE 3RD BASEMEN R.CEY/J.HILTON/M.SCHMIDT 4
2 31519177 1974 O-PEE-CHEE 280 CARL YASTRZEMSKI N/A 7
3 31519178 1980 O-PEE-CHEE 228 DON SUTTON N/A 9
4 31519179 1980 O-PEE-CHEE 203 FERGIE JENKINS N/A 9
5 31519180 1982 O.P.C. STICKERS 13 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
6 31519181 1980 O-PEE-CHEE 365 CARL YASTRZEMSKI N/A 9
7 31519182 1991 7-11 SLURPEE COIN 12 NOLAN RYAN SOUTHWEST REGION 8
8 31519183 1982 TOPPS STICKERS 41 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
9 31519184 1986 O.P.C. STICKERS 24 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
10 31519185 1981 FLEER 638 CARL YASTRZEMSKI N/A 9
10 31519186 1981 FLEER 638 CARL YASTRZEMSKI N/A 9
11 31519187 1981 FLEER 241 TONY PEREZ N/A 9
12 31519188 1981 FLEER 238 JERRY REMY N/A 10
13 31519189 1981 FLEER 226 DENNIS ECKERSLEY N/A 10
14 31519190 1981 FLEER 221 CARL YASTRZEMSKI N/A 9
15 31519191 2000 FINEST 262 JOHAN SANTANA REFRACTOR 9
16 31519192 1989 TOPPS STICKERCARD 33 JEFF REARDON N.RYAN/F.TANANA 9
17 31519193 1986 7-11 SLURPEE COIN VIII STRIKEOUT KINGS SOUTH REGION 10
17 31519194 1989 PANINI STICKERS 226 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
18 31519195 1980 O-PEE-CHEE 303 NOLAN RYAN N/A 10
18 31519196 1980 O-PEE-CHEE 303 NOLAN RYAN N/A 6
19 31519197 1990 TOPPS STICKERCARD 50 RICKEY HENDERSON-50 NOLAN RYAN-242 9
20 31519198 1984 MOTHER'S COOKIES 1 NOLAN RYAN ASTROS TEAM SET 9
21 31519199 1991 CRACKER JACK TOPP YOUNT/CLARK RYAN/JUSTICE-1ST SERIES 10
22 31519200 1992 7-11 SLURPEE 11 NOLAN RYAN SUPERSTAR ACTION COINS 10
23 31519201 1992 BARRY COLLA 5 NOLAN RYAN N/A 10
24 31519202 1992 BARRY COLLA 12 NOLAN RYAN N/A 10
25 31519203 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 2 1968 RECORD-SETTING ROOKIE 10
26 31519204 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 11 1977 CARRYING THE LOAD 10
27 31519205 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 15 1981 A GUSHER IN HOUSTON 9
28 31519206 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 16 1982 MOUNTING 'EM UP 10
29 31519207 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 17 1983 PASSING THE BIG TRAIN 9
30 31519208 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 18 1984 MISLEADING SIGNS OF AGE 9
31 31519209 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 19 1985 ANOTHER MILE- STONE AND A NEW CONTRACT 10
32 31519210 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 22 1988 LEAVING HOME AGAIN 10
33 31519211 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 23 1989 5,000 STRIKEOUTS AT TEXAS 9
34 31519212 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 25 1991 NO-HITTER NO. 7 10
35 31519213 1970 TRANSOGRAM METS NOLAN RYAN HAND CUT 5
36 31519214 1973 TOPPS CANDY LIDS NOLAN RYAN N/A 5
37 31519215 1973 TOPPS CANDY LIDS NOLAN RYAN N/A 5
38 31519216 1981 TOPPS 291 AURELIO LOPEZ N/A 9
39 31519217 1981 TOPPS 130 LARRY GURA N/A 8
40 31519218 1981 O-PEE-CHEE 201 PHIL NIEKRO N/A 8
41 31519219 1980 O-PEE-CHEE 85 JERRY REMY N/A 6
42 31519220 1992 COCA-COLA N. RYAN 26 1992 MAN OF RECORDS N/A 10
43 31519221 1992 DONRUSS 5 NOLAN RYAN McDONALD'S 9
44 31519222 1992 HIGH 5 DECALS NOLAN RYAN PROTOTYPE 10
45 31519223 1992 UPPER DECK 45 NOLAN RYAN MVP HOLOGRAMS 9
46 31519224 1986 7-11 SLURPEE COIN VIII STRIKEOUT KINGS WESTERN REGION 10
47 31519225 1994 FLEER 7 NOLAN RYAN GOLDEN MOMENTS 9
48 31519226 1986 7-11 SLURPEE VIII STRIKEOUT KINGS MIDEASTERN REGION 10
49 31519227 1986 TOPPS STICKERS NOLAN RYAN-9 BRIAN DOWNING-183 8
50 31519228 1987 STUART 5 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
Date Received: 03/02/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 04/06/2006
Date Shipped: 04/06/2006
Collecting Tony Perez PSA and Rookie Baseball PSA
Mcholke - what would that '80 OPC Yaz fetch?
Collecting Tony Perez PSA and Rookie Baseball PSA
Here is a scan of the 1982 Astrosports magazine card you asked me about before. It has a couple of small smudges and the back is a little off center, but not bad for a magazine card.
Donato
Donato's Complete US Type Set ---- Donato's Dansco 7070 Modified Type Set ---- Donato's Basic U.S. Coin Design Set
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Also, what are the differences between the 1982 Topps Insert Stickers and 1982 Topps Stickers, both numbered 41?
Thanks to you all for the insight which I have read on the thread so far.
Salinas
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The front of those stickers are the same, the difference in the 2 stickers is that the backs are different. Below is a scan of the 2 different backs.
Donato
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Thanks for the quick response. Now were both issued in small waxpacks? How were they distributed?
All,
Other than eBay, are there other places to find Ryan graded cards at reasonable prices? (And other than submitting your own cards.)
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<< <i>Donato,
Thanks for the quick response. Now were both issued in small waxpacks? How were they distributed?
All,
Other than eBay, are there other places to find Ryan graded cards at reasonable prices? (And other than submitting your own cards.)
Salinas >>
argh! Salinas that bids on all the Rickey Henderson stuff!..
That is a nice Ryan card, as you guys know I love the oddball stuff!
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<< <i>Now were both issued in small waxpacks? How were they distributed? >>
Salinas,
The "Coming Soon" stickers (shown on the left) were inserts in regular issue Topps wax packs. The normal stickers (shown on the right), were issued in their own pack. Here's a scan of the sticker pack:
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Worth selling on Ebay raw...or better to grade..even if they come back as 8's??
Thank you for the inclusion Keith. I still have fond memories of my time in the NRMS group but the word coming out of PSA HQ concerning the quantities of cards that can be included only confirms my decision to exit. I am collecting my 2 favorite players right now, Bo and Frank, and I am seriously questioning my Frank Thomas Master commitment. The Bo Jackson sets are manageable and should continue to be.
In any event, good luck to you all and I will continue to lurk on the best thread at the PSA forums.
Brent
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Bob Feller Basic(#4)
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... The master set however will never be one of my goals.
link to ebay: NOLAN RYAN 1992 TOPPS #1 PSA GEM MINT 10 RARE RANGERS
The only problem is that its not graded a PSA 10... as a matter of fact, ITS NOT EVEN GRADED AT ALL...
(plus the Ryan thread had dropped to the 4th page and I wanted to bump it back up)
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I'm still here...I've just been concentrating on other areas of my collection for the past few months. With PSA adding so many cards to the NR Master set, I'm pretty sure I'm done with it. I'll still be active in the Topps and Basic sets though.
Steve
I echo everyone's sentiments on the NRMS. It's quickly burning me out. I am also considering reducing my Ryan collection to the Basic set, other true rarities, and a few faves. I will never get any higher than I am now, because I refuse to submit any Pacific cards for grading (aside from the #1 I sent in).
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Just a question for those in the know...
Looking through the SMR I noticed that the price for a 1975 Topps Nolan Ryan #500 in PSA 9 was decreased to $560 recently.
I just saw one sell on ebay for over $2100.00 and I have never seen one go for under $1200, so why on earth did it just get marked down to $560? If anything, it needs to be adjusted to at least $1300-$1500. Heck, in the eBay auction there were 5 different people that all bid $1675 or higher.
Are you still alive? Someone has overtaken your long reign as #1 on the Ryan basic and master sets... it looks like your Ryan Topps set is going to fall any day now too.
Mark
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1982 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers PSA 9 or 10
1986 Topps Los Angeles Dodgers PSA 9 or 10
1975 Topps Wacky Packages Series 15 PSA 9 or 10
<< <i>Are you still alive? Someone has overtaken your long reign as #1 on the Ryan basic and master sets... it looks like your Ryan Topps set is going to fall any day now too. >>
Jon... I'm still out here... as far as Ryan and the PSA set registry... I really don't give a shit.
The people passing me are loading up on 1990 and newer crap... and more power to them for having the patience to deal with the insanity that master set checklist has become... I'm toast and I've got old stuff they'll never get their hands on and that suits my collection just fine!
Why not just focus on the Basic and Topps sets? I found that a little bit more sane. I find those cards a lot more satisfying than trying to get a bunch of round cards graded.
Justin
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Thanks for reading.
terry
I was not asked, but I would be curious to know which Ryan cards you were asked to scan.
Were you interviewed for the article also or did you just provide the scans?
Donato
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I was asked to scan my 68 rookie (a measly old PSA 8 by the way) as well as my 77 Topps 650 (PSA 9) and one other card that escapes my mind right now, but also nothing really "special". I offered up my deckle edge (again, only a PSA 8--but at least an interesting card in my opinion) as well as some oddball cards that seemed to be of interest to the reviewer, but I guess not to the editor. Those included: 1971 Dell Team Stamp (only PSA 10), Desert Storm cards, 91 UD auto, 93 Humpty Dumpty (not an expensive card, just one that makes me chuckle every time I think about Ryan selling potato chips), 93 Pinn Cooperstown Dufex, 94 Topps pre-productions (always interesting to me, as you get to see Ryan in both portrait and landscape format.)
So I guess I just assumed that an article on Nolan Ryan's Master Set would include some of the rarer cards. I hope someone at least was asked to contribute the deckle or either Venezuelan. Would be sad to see the article without some of the rarer pieces.
Speaking of, congrats on the 68 Venezuelan rookie. It's a beauty.
terry
terry
Cogratulations on your interview. Look forward to reading the article. I too am surprised that you weren't asked for scans of rarer Ryan cards for the article, but maybe the person doing the article may not be aware of what's out there for Ryan items.
Thanks for the compliment on my Ryan Venezuelan. I've had it for about 5-6 years. When I picked it up it was the highest PSA graded 1968 Ryan Venezuelan. Now there are 3 with the same PSA 5 grade, but still non higher to this date.
Donato
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<< <i>Welcome Terry. Not having Donato's input in a story of Ryan cards is like listing the greatest bands of all time and leaving out the Doors! >>
Gonzer...
Thanks for your compliment of my knowledge of Nolan Ryan cards. I just hope I can live up to it.
Donato
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Slowly I have been reading this thread from beginning to end, and I have been enjoying the debate on the size of the Master set, and what should, or should not, be included. I will leave my 2 cents out of it for now, but it is interesting to hear the different debates and theories. One of the questions I was asked was "How large do you see this set growing to in the end?" and honestly I can not see it stopping until at least one thousand. Someone will slowly over time add every single Pacific card, or come across random other cards that can be graded. Now with the even larger PSA holders, I wait for the day when someone starts added squares of cards (2x2) or doubles cut side by side. I assume PSA would grade these, or maybe they wouldn't. Donato, your avatar is another Venezuelan sticker, 72 is it?, why hasn't anyone added that to the set registry? It definately deserves to be there IMHO.
As for Gonzer, thank you as well for welcoming me here. I appreciate that. I might not have the knowledge and years of experience like other members here, but I probably do bring a unique view to the set, having been a decades long collector of other items such as rare unused concert tickets (Doors, Led Zep, Who, Jimi-- all from the Fillmore in late 60's, early '70s), as well as comic books and pop art such as Warhol. I hope to both learn from everyone here as well as being able to add my two cents now and then.
Getting back to the writer, his name is Glew and he has written many articles for SMR in the past. He seemed to know what he was talking to in regard to some of the rarer cards, (deckle, Venezuelans, etc), but we only really grazed over the cards themselves. As a Ryan collector I would much rather have seen the first 10 cards on the list, hell 3, than my 77 Topps! It will be interesting to see what pics make the piece in the end. He would not share with me who else he was interviewing, only that it was "a couple more". I assumed Keith would be on that list, however since I have not read anything from him about it, I don't know.
terry
Thanks for the compliment regarding my collection.
Congrats on adding the ’77 Venezuelan sticker to your registry. It is one addition you should be very proud of.
Regarding the discs, the Red Barn, the Saga and Customized are the toughest to find IMO. I’ve not seen more than a few of each in more than 10 years.
The question of how large the Master set will get is very interesting and it has spawned many different opinions and theories. I’m only going to say that just adding all the different Pacific cards and all the different STAR Co. cards will put the Master set at over 1,300 cards. At which point we have to ask ourselves, is it worth grading about 600 cards that for the most part are worth less than the grading fee?
You are correct about my avatar; it is a ’72 Venezuelan sticker. I agree with you that it belongs in the Registry. To date I think less than 10 Venezuelan stickers from 1972 have been graded, with no Nolan Ryan. My Ryan sticker presents itself very well on the front, but would only grade a PSA 1 due to paper loss on the reverse. These stickers are extremely rare as I have only seen one Ryan and have heard of only 2 others in over 10 years. David Levin has the largest collection of the ’72 stickers, but he does not have a Ryan available last time I checked. In short I don’t think we will see many of these graded.
Well, congrats on the interview and I will be looking forward to the article when it comes out.
Donato
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I would like to see a picture of that 75 SSPC Superstars card you have in your set. Tough card
Don't let Donato fool you he is President of the Nolan Ryan Collectors Club
I would think a picture of a rare card from the 4 decades would have been a nice touch?
68 Venezualen
74 Deckle
82 Topps Blackless or 85 Topps Mini
93 Flair Promo
and you get him in all four uniforms?
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<< <i>Welcome Terry
I would like to see a picture of that 75 SSPC Superstars card you have in your set. Tough card
Don't let Donato fool you he is President of the Nolan Ryan Collectors Club
I would think a picture of a rare card from the 4 decades would have been a nice touch?
68 Venezualen
74 Deckle
82 Topps Blackless or 85 Topps Mini
93 Flair Promo
and you get him in all four uniforms? >>
Jackstraw...
Thanks...
I agree that your selection of cards would be great for the article.
Donato
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Donato, you discuss the rarity of the discs, and I agree wholeheartedly, now that I have done some research and read comments by pros like yourself. My question to you though is are these really cards? Call me a traditionalist, (I still decry the addition of shoot outs to NHL hockey games... this is NOT soccer people!), but when I close my eyes and think about what a "trading card" is.... I do not think about the round coasters that sit on my mother's coffee table in Canada. Sure it has his pic, his stats, etc., but to me a card is a card. Topps from the 50s on, Goudey, Cracker Jacks, even T206. Those are cards. Maybe it's the fact that it is perfectly round? But no, because I kind of like the Topps coins. Is it the fact that they were unlicensed? No, I love MooTown Snacks cards, et al like them. So I guess it is the fact they remind me of bloody coasters. Anyone else in on me with this one? Either way they are part of the set and should remain there IMHO.
As for what else should be a part of the Master set.... this is where life gets really complicated. Like my distaste for the aforementioned coasters/discs, I know there are a lot of people who hate (dislike) the Star and Pacific cards. I have read some great statements on the debate, including "why should cards count that are readily purchased in a box set so you know what you are already receiving", which of course pertains to the Pacific cards that came in complete sets of 110 cards. Good point, however the other side of that statement then brings up the Topps Tiffany, Fleer Gloosy cards. Those were purchased in complete sets and were not acquired through pack purchase. At least I think that statement is correct. So we start to discount those cards as well? Of course not. Same for those whacky Topps boxed sets like Woolworth and KMart or even the Classic travel card sets. Sure they feature really ugly, trying too hard to be hip designs, but a card is a card. If it was licensed, released at mass, or even unlicensed by MLB, MLBPA but licensed singularily by Nolan himself, than in my opinion all such cards should be fair game. This is the Master set afterall, not the Topps or Basic.
The debate about grading cards that are worth little if anything is also a very valid point. Anyone can buy a Pacific 1991 set of 110 cards on ebay for roughly $10 and spend another $550-1650 (depending on special) getting them graded. Are they worth that in the end? Well that's up for debate. To me and others, yes. These cards are a part of the legacy, (a huge set for a huge man, from the state where everything is big---should be the tagline for the Master set), of the world's greatest pitcher. I understand that not everyone wants to spend this rediculous amount of money to have these cards graded, and I agree to a degree that it is sheer madnees. However, if we truly want to create a MASTER set, and not just a master set, (notice the caps), then sadly every card should be included. I have had discussions with Ryan collectors who would like to see the set expanded to include present day cards! Can you imagine? A Master set, well maybe it would have to be renamed Ultimate, that would be over 5,000 cards. Grading alone would top $25,000, before the cost of the cards. Now that is where I draw the line in the sand. Let's get back to those nickel Pacific cards. Do they feature the most creative or unique design? No. But in their defense check out other designs by Classic, Topps (1987) and Donruss (pretty much anything mid '80s) and you can see they are no alone in their horrid graphic deisgn. So is it the fact that they are literally useless destruction of North America's natural evengreeen forests for the production of a paper item that no one really likes, which in the end are worth 9/10ths of a penny? ($10 set/110 cards) Then what about the 1983 Fleer stamps as an example for the other side of this debate. I just bought 20 sets of all 72 stamps for $10. Obviously these cards are plentiful if I can purchase twenty complete sets for $10. Or what about the 1991 Donruss Coke sets that can be purchased for $6 a box... or the Whataburger or Barry Colla sets which are only a buck or two more. (Coke $6/26 cards=23 cents per) I'm not stating that my views are 100% correct or should be de facto for the set, it's only my humble opinion. Where DO you draw the line? Honestly, I think PSA has done a pretty good job, with the option of collecting any/all of the three sets. You only want to collect Topps, because Topps is "America's #1 card company, past, present and future", then you have your set. If you only want to collect cards from only "legitimate" card companies like Topps, Donruss, Upper Deck, Score, Fleer, etc., well you have your choice as well. But if you have the time, the stupidity and the money to collect every single card ever released with Nolan's image on it, when then you have your choice too. Just be prepared to wake up one day and wonder why you even started working on this rediculously large set. Oh and tell your accountant it will be worth millions as the decades slip past us.
As for Jackstraw's list of cards that should have been included in the article, I could not agree more. What a perfect list; every decade, every team. Brilliant.
my two cents, terry
You have valid points. I'm with you on the Pacific cards and how those should be counted. After reading your first paragraph, I came to the same conclusion you did in your second paragraph. Why not have a Master set (without Pacific, 1968-1994 only), and an Ultimate set (everything Nolan Ryan)? Maybe somewhere down the line someone's going to be crazy and grade an entire Pacific set and stuff after 1994. I think this solution is fair and simple. It can't be hard to implement.
Justin
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As far as the Ryan discs go I do not consider them cards. I look at them more like small display items or like pogs. When I think about what a “trading card” is, like you I only see rectangle shaped pieces of cardboard that we flipped or traded as kids.
As far as the Pacific and Star cards go I don’t dislike the cards, only that it seems pointless to pay more to put a card in a holder than what it’s worth or will sell for on the open market. This only benefits PSA and only makes sense if you have disposable cash to do so. It will not make sense to the average collector (such as myself) with a limited budget that may have to sell his collection at some point in time, to buy a house, start a family or to pay for college. I may be wrong, but I believe most collectors fall in this category. That was my only point. If you can afford to do it by all means do it. I always believe one should do the very best they can given the resources they have.
For those willing to attempt the task of grading ALL the Pacific and STAR Co. cards here is a general break down of those 2 sets and the cost of grading at the $5 special.
PACIFIC CARDS:
At only $5 per card it will cost $2085 just to grade all the different Pacific card variations. Here is a rough break down of the cards.
Pacific Series I-card #’s 1-110
Pacific Series II-card #’s 111-220
Pacific Series III-card #’s 221-250
Pacific Advil-card #’s 1-27
That’s 277 different regular issue cards. Now add to that 140 different special or insert cards that are composed of white border, silver border, silver holographic border, gold border, gold holographic border, silver prism and gold prism, 10 different “ghostwriting” cards and 2 autographed cards. That’s a total of 417 different Pacific cards.
STAR CO. CARDS
At only $5 per card it will cost $1395 just to grade all the different Star card variations. Here is a rough break down of the cards.
There are 27 different PROMO cards that came out between 1985 and 1992. Some are limited to as many as 800 cards while others are limited to as few as 50 cards.
There are 8 different 11 card sets for a total of 88 different cards. Now the differences between some of these sets are that one set has a flat finish which I believe several thousand sets were produced and some sets have a high gloss finish with as few as 50 sets produced.
There are 15 different 9 card sets for a total of 135 different cards. Some of these sets are limited to as many as 2000 sets and some are limited to as few as 500 sets produced.
There is a 5 card set which I'm not sure of the production but I have not seen many. My guess would be less than 500 sets produced.
There is a set with 8 panels with 3 cards on each panel. This is not that scarce. I would guess more than 1000 sets produced.
That’s a total of 279 different STAR Co. cards.
These numbers are pretty accurate as I have all these cards except for one Pacific and one STAR Co. card that I am still looking for. This will be a daunting task for anyone willing to undertake it.
With all sincerity, Good Luck…Donato
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Thanks for the write-up. Very informative. If I ever head into the Star Co. cards, expect an email (or ten).
Bob
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<< <i>Donato,
Thanks for the write-up. Very informative. If I ever head into the Star Co. cards, expect an email (or ten).
Bob >>
Bob...
Thanks, email away if you need help.
Donato
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<< <i>The 74 Deckle, 82 Blackless and 85 Mini were relatively easy as compared to Bob's Topps 1970 Cloth. If that becomes part of a master set, Bob is the master. >>
Bishop...
I agree as Bob has the one and only 1970 Ryan Cloth sticker that I am aware of. He would definitely be the master.
Donato
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<< <i>I agree as Bob has the one and only 1970 Ryan Cloth sticker that I am aware of. He would definitely be the master.
>>
You mean everyone doesn't have one of these:
Robert
Any high grade OPC Jim Palmer
High grade Redskins (pre 1980)
<< <i>You mean everyone doesn't have one of these: >>
I agree with Robert. My local card shop has three in varying conditions, and I saw at least five on HSN. I think that loud guy was attempting to swim in a pile of them.
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Getting back to the Master set debate, I was using conservative numbers only. I obtained a list of all of the Ryan Star cards from a seller on ebay and you are right Donato, there are a lot of star variations, including the regular and glossy versions. I had one of the 85 white promo cards graded the other week, (the strange one with the NBA logo on the back), and PSA would not add it to the set. They said not enough were graded to date by them (less than 5) and that it wasn't a real promo. I told them I disagreed as there there was a 86 set (the one that came bagged in strips of three), but there was no convincing them. So in the end, who knows what will or won't be added in the end anyway. I guess for me the number one reason for including all the Pacific and Star cards is that I don't want my collecting of this set to end any time soon. I started this collecting this set after my father passed away and it was a way for me to keep his memory alive and in my thoughts on a daily basis. We had great times watching and discussing Nolan over the years. So I like thinking that this set will continue to grow and I will be collecting it for another 2-3 years. Will someone at one point drop a ton of Pacific cards during a $5 special. Of course. Will I send one or two every few months, yes. At that rate though, this set will grew over the long term. To me these are legit cards and should be part of the set, right or wrong, cheap or expensive. I've been working on my 68 Topps set for just as long, (only PSA 8s), and I think that set is only 12% complete. Maybe less, I haven't been there for a bit. I would think that collectors would rather add a card here and there that cost them $1 to buy and $5 to grade, then save up hundreds of those submissions and purchase one 68 Venezuelan for $5000-8000, that garners a 10 on the rating scale. Sure the Venezuelan rookie is rarer and is a crown jewel in a collection, (along with the other Venezuelan stickers and now this cloth sticker mentioned above), but how many people even if infused with enough cash, will ever be able to own one. The Pacifics and Stars are readily acceptable and for a common collector, or better yet a younger person wanting to start this set, this is a more viable option for them. Like i said, I understand both points of view.
At least we can all come together and agree how great this man was.
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