@Maywood said:
Darnold just doesn't seem to have the instinctive pocket awareness that the better QB's have, that really good peripheral vision and the internal clock that says move or get tackled. The Cleveland Browns have a knack for drafting those kind of guys!!
Yep Darnold is great if he can stand behind a perfectly blocked rush situation while scanning the field for an open receiver at his leisure.
Any variable to that and he just isn't all that great
Lots of questions for the Vikings next year;
Who's going to be the QB?
Will the defensive coordinator move on?
Can/will they improve the offensive line?
They have a 1st round pick and two 5th round picks and will be drafting late in the 1st round, so not expecting an impact player. No help there.
I'm hoping they can afford to get a few free agents to come here.
We have $65million available to spend.
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I don't think anyone will be satisfied with McCarthy at the helm. When he was Michigan he progressed each season but that seems as much due to the makeup of the team as his talent. He strikes me as coming from the same mold as Darnold, mainly a pure pocket passer with limited ability to avoid a rush and extend plays. Like it or not(and I don't really like it) that is now a primary ingredient needed by an NFL QB.
The prototypical guy now needs to be 6'3"-6'5" and 225-240lbs., with a strong arm, who runs fast and easily and has eyes in the back of his head. Both these QB's are at the low end of size, with strong arms, a bit on the slow side and playing with blinders.
I'd expect the Vikings to use the franchise tag on Darnold and see if he could duplicate his 2024 performance and not judge him solely off of b2b losses against two better teams. At that point, you wouldn't be locking in multiple years of starting QB salary and if his play takes a dip or if JJ's return from his knee injury goes better than expected, you could always trade Darnold by the deadline. I haven't kept up to date with McCarthy's rehab but what if he comes back with a clean bill of health and just isn't the same guy that he was pre-injury and you already let Darnold walk in FA?
Looking at Minnesota's free agents list, their top three FA outside of Darnold are:
LT Cam Robinson not likely to re-sign when MINN's starting LT Christain Darrisaw is due back
S Harrison Smith who is 35yrs old
CB Byron Murphy, likely going to see a decent raise from his 8M salary
@erikthredd said:
I'd expect the Vikings to use the franchise tag on Darnold and see if he could duplicate his 2024 performance and not judge him solely off of b2b losses against two better teams. At that point, you wouldn't be locking in multiple years of starting QB salary and if his play takes a dip or if JJ's return from his knee injury goes better than expected, you could always trade Darnold by the deadline. I haven't kept up to date with McCarthy's rehab but what if he comes back with a clean bill of health and just isn't the same guy that he was pre-injury and you already let Darnold walk in FA?
Looking at Minnesota's free agents list, their top three FA outside of Darnold are:
LT Cam Robinson not likely to re-sign when MINN's starting LT Christain Darrisaw is due back
S Harrison Smith who is 35yrs old
CB Byron Murphy, likely going to see a decent raise from his 8M salary
I'd bite the bullet and give him one more year
The tag on Darnold makes sense for sure especially if he just had his best 2 games rather than the regular season
Playoffs are tough look at the season Mayfield had and he was one and done off a subpar performance
@erikthredd said:
I'd expect the Vikings to use the franchise tag on Darnold and see if he could duplicate his 2024 performance and not judge him solely off of b2b losses against two better teams. At that point, you wouldn't be locking in multiple years of starting QB salary and if his play takes a dip or if JJ's return from his knee injury goes better than expected, you could always trade Darnold by the deadline. I haven't kept up to date with McCarthy's rehab but what if he comes back with a clean bill of health and just isn't the same guy that he was pre-injury and you already let Darnold walk in FA?
Looking at Minnesota's free agents list, their top three FA outside of Darnold are:
LT Cam Robinson not likely to re-sign when MINN's starting LT Christain Darrisaw is due back
S Harrison Smith who is 35yrs old
CB Byron Murphy, likely going to see a decent raise from his 8M salary
I'd bite the bullet and give him one more year
The tag on Darnold makes sense for sure especially if he just had his best 2 games rather than the regular season
Playoffs are tough look at the season Mayfield had and he was one and done off a subpar performance
Who knows, maybe the Vikings can get Darnold back for considerably less than the FT number (41M I think.) His salary was just 10M, maybe he'd be open to signing a 3yr/50-60Mish deal rather than a 3yr/100M deal that Baker got. He'd probably have interest from other teams in free agency but most may think his success was entirely due to who he was throwing too.
I just looked at the Vikings schedule
Giants
Jets
Colts
Titans
Bear 2x
Jags
Falcons
Cardinals
Packers 2x
Didn’t they go through the same thing with Cousins a few years ago? Play a 3rd place schedule and one and done?
The Lions and Rams beat them twice.
The playoffs have exposed the contenders and pretenders.
To add insult to injury O’Connell is going to win coach of the year after getting destroyed in the last two games.
Lions fans should be angry
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@2dueces said:
I just looked at the Vikings schedule
Giants
Jets
Colts
Titans
Bear 2x
Jags
Falcons
Cardinals
Packers 2x
Didn’t they go through the same thing with Cousins a few years ago? Play a 3rd place schedule and one and done?
The Lions and Rams beat them twice.
The playoffs have exposed the contenders and pretenders.
To add insult to injury O’Connell is going to win coach of the year after getting destroyed in the last two games.
Lions fans should be angry
Campbell doesn't deserve it since he single handedly kept his team out of the Super Bowl last NFC Championship game plus his roster is stacked
@2dueces said:
I just looked at the Vikings schedule
Giants
Jets
Colts
Titans
Bear 2x
Jags
Falcons
Cardinals
Packers 2x
Didn’t they go through the same thing with Cousins a few years ago? Play a 3rd place schedule and one and done?
The Lions and Rams beat them twice.
The playoffs have exposed the contenders and pretenders.
To add insult to injury O’Connell is going to win coach of the year after getting destroyed in the last two games.
Lions fans should be angry
I don't see how Dan Quinn doesn't win COTY. Washington went from 4-13 to 12-5 (and a wild card round playoff win.)
edit: everyone will say it was because of Jayden Daniels but Washington's defense went from last in the league in total defense in 2023 to 13th in 2024. Their Points Allowed went from 30ppg to 23/g in 2024.
@Maywood said:
Darnold just doesn't seem to have the instinctive pocket awareness that the better QB's have, that really good peripheral vision and the internal clock that says move or get tackled. The Cleveland Browns have a knack for drafting those kind of guys!!
Yep Darnold is great if he can stand behind a perfectly blocked rush situation while scanning the field for an open receiver at his leisure.
Any variable to that and he just isn't all that great
Just about any NFL quarterback who stays on a roster for more than a couple games, even the backups, can cut a pass defense to pieces if they have all the time in the world to stand in the pocket. That’s why I think that the so-called “prevent defense” is a joke. I call it the “perverted defense” because it never works. If you don’t rush the quarterback in the NFL, you are going to look worse than the New York Giants, that’s pretty bad.
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@craig44 said:
I feel bad for Min and the Vikings fans. was hoping for them to go far in the playoffs.
now they have a big decision to make: sign or franchise tag Darnold or go all in with JJ.
Honestly, I dont know what I would do
@craig44 said:
I feel bad for Min and the Vikings fans. was hoping for them to go far in the playoffs.
now they have a big decision to make: sign or franchise tag Darnold or go all in with JJ.
Honestly, I dont know what I would do
Darnold is not the answer. The good teams have figured out how to neutralize him. It’s like thinking that Curt Cousins is a franchise quarterback.. He isn’’t and he never was.
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Minnesota got ambushed by a team whose motivation had to have been off the charts. that was much more than a playoff game; those guys were playing for a ravaged city last night and it showed. if i had been a Rams player i would've completely emptied the tank on every single play in an attempt to create a positive diversion for at least a few hours, and those players had that look throughout the game
Darnold was holding on to the ball for far too long imo. it's like he decided he was either going to wait until he saw an open window, or die........whichever came first. getting rid of the ball and living to fight another day clearly wasn't an option. it felt like the Rams had 55 sacks last night.
@Maywood said:
Darnold just doesn't seem to have the instinctive pocket awareness that the better QB's have, that really good peripheral vision and the internal clock that says move or get tackled. The Cleveland Browns have a knack for drafting those kind of guys!!
Yep Darnold is great if he can stand behind a perfectly blocked rush situation while scanning the field for an open receiver at his leisure.
Any variable to that and he just isn't all that great
Just about any NFL quarterback who stays on a roster for more than a couple games, even the backups, can cut a pass defense to pieces if they have all the time in the world to stand in the pocket. That’s why I think that the so-called “prevent defense” is a joke. I call it the “perverted defense” because it never works. If you don’t rush the quarterback in the NFL, you are going to look worse than the New York Giants, that’s pretty bad.
There is some truth to this but there are QB's who can navigate a collapsing pocket and get the ball to a receiver or check down to a RB
Perkdog types: A QB with cement feet is never good
hey ya Perkdog....
John Facenda said in Super Bowl VI about Tom Landry & Don Shula Reforming their Scrambling Quarterbacks Roger and Bob into Having More Patience to look over their pass coverage and Defenders...
Then again your O-Line has to:
Block - Cover - Execute...Ya gotta get those Guards Pullin' & Curlin'...
Perkdog types: A QB with cement feet is never good
hey ya Perkdog....
John Facenda said in Super Bowl VI about Tom Landry & Don Shula Reforming their Scrambling Quarterbacks Roger and Bob into Having More Patience to look over their pass coverage and Defenders...
Then again your O-Line has to:
Block - Cover - Execute...Ya gotta get those Guards Pullin' & Curlin'...
If you want I'll stop over with my VHS...
Question.
The Red lettered NFL Films tape smack dab in the middle with the brown stain, is that from resting a coffee cup or dip cup on there?
Perkdog types: A QB with cement feet is never good
hey ya Perkdog....
John Facenda said in Super Bowl VI about Tom Landry & Don Shula Reforming their Scrambling Quarterbacks Roger and Bob into Having More Patience to look over their pass coverage and Defenders...
Then again your O-Line has to:
Block - Cover - Execute...Ya gotta get those Guards Pullin' & Curlin'...
If you want I'll stop over with my VHS...
Question.
The Red lettered NFL Films tape smack dab in the middle with the brown stain, is that from resting a coffee cup or dip cup on there?
@galaxy27 said:
Minnesota got ambushed by a team whose motivation had to have been off the charts. that was much more than a playoff game; those guys were playing for a ravaged city last night and it showed. if i had been a Rams player i would've completely emptied the tank on every single play in an attempt to create a positive diversion for at least a few hours, and those players had that look throughout the game
Darnold was holding on to the ball for far too long imo. it's like he decided he was either going to wait until he saw an open window, or die........whichever came first. getting rid of the ball and living to fight another day clearly wasn't an option. it felt like the Rams had 55 sacks last night.
Looking at things logically, not emotionally;
Vikings lost first game to Detroit by 2 points, got destroyed by them the second time with several of the top Lions defenders hurt.
Lost the first game to LA in a very close contest, ridiculously stupid non call in end zone stopped any chance of the Vikings making (admittedly remote) comeback.
Second game got obliterated because of fires in LA? I doubt that.
Coaching, people, coaching.
Darnold had a bad game in Detroit, but O'Connell was WORSE, passing up 2 field goals and then having his Kicker kick-off to the sidelines, goes out of bounds, (I noticed the previous kick-off came very close to going out of bounds), Lions get a short field and get 3 points right before half.
Darnold beat every team we faced all year except for the Lions, who everyone knew was the best team in the division, and LA who has a very good team with a very good QB. Funny, people all said "you can't win a SB with Stafford", but he did!
The Lions and Rams both made adjustments to beat Minnesota in their second meetings. The Vikings kept doing the same thing over and over.
Couldn't run the ball, except for a couple of long runs against Detroit, abysmal agsinst the Rams. Their pass blocking was NOT good, Darnold was throwing high against the Lions in week 17, but was better on Monday.
How about a screen pass or quick slant across the middle to slow the rush? 9 sacks is NOT all Sam's fault. If Nobody's open, he holds the ball. Get him outside the tackle box, so he can throw it away. Sam's also a very good runner. Maybe have him run a couple of times to keep the defense "honest".
Attack "underneath" to open up the longer passes.
I've been saying all year O'Connell is not a good game time decision maker.
I'll never understand how so many people here give all the credit to one guy when the team wins and all the blame on the same guy when they lose.
I fully recognize Sam wasn't good week 17, but the game sure could have looked different with a 12-7 lead at half and getting the 2nd half kickoff. Maybe put in a few "safe" throws to settle him down.
I don't hear anyone criticizing the receivers. Justin Jefferson may have been double covered a lot, but he still has to get open and Addison seemed to disappear the last two weeks.
All in all, a season FAR, FAR better than predicted.
I sure hope this McCarthy kid isn't a bust, if we don't keep Darnold, at least we have Daniel Jones as insurance.
Basically 1 draft pick next year, (at least they kept their 1st round pick, not that it's going to be an impact player), but $65M to spend on free agents. Interior OFFENSIVE LINEMEN and a couple good defenders needed!
GO VIKINGS!
Let's hope Detroit or Buffalo wins it all!
I appreciate all of you that were pulling for the Vikes. As we say in Minnesota........."Wait 'til next year!" 😉
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Joe B i wasn't placing all of the blame on Darnold; the entire team looked unrecognizable compared to what i had seen from them in other games. but you know how it goes -- after a game the QB gets dissected first. he either receives an inordinate amount of praise or an inordinate amount of blame, based on the outcome. i just didn't feel like digging any deeper beyond his play.
and i don't think LA won that game because of the fires. i was simply saying that if i had been a Rams player, that game would have had added meaning. i would have been spitting pride out there, trying to my very best to create a happy 3-hour window that's surrounded by a nightmare. i'm sure a lot of those players have been personally impacted. and on top of that, their conventional home game turned into mass chaos. hell they ended up playing in a stadium that wasn't theirs with more fans of the opposition in the seats. yet at no time did an LA player have the appearance of someone busting out the woe-is-me card. instead they looked like they were shot out of a cannon from the opening kick, making plays all over the field. did those guys feel the same way i would have? only they can answer that. but they are human beings with pulses, so i can't imagine it NOT playing a role.
good season by your boys, they'll be back. idk what Darnold's future holds, but my guess is that the last two games opened the door for McCarthy to walk through it
@JoeBanzai, the QB get's so much criticism because he has the ball in his hands for half the plays of the game, he directly affects half of everything that goes on during a game. As far as the rest of the team's performance and the coaching, I don't think enough credit is given to the opposing team in a loss. I look at it this way: the Rams were effective on offense which put pressure on the Vikings right out of the gate, their defense shut down the run/made it hard for the Viking receivers to consistently get open and kept pressure on Darnold.
Minnesota may have won 14 games, but they were beaten by a better team on Monday.
I think pocket passers can still be effective. if they cannot run, they need a few extra tools in their toolbox.
1. exceptionally fast processing skills
2. the ability to "feel" the rush and move in the pocket appropriately. (both Marino and Brady were masters at this)
3. an exceedingly fast release
@galaxy27 said:
Joe B i wasn't placing all of the blame on Darnold; the entire team looked unrecognizable compared to what i had seen from them in other games. but you know how it goes -- after a game the QB gets dissected first. he either receives an inordinate amount of praise or an inordinate amount of blame, based on the outcome. i just didn't feel like digging any deeper beyond his play.
and i don't think LA won that game because of the fires. i was simply saying that if i had been a Rams player, that game would have had added meaning. i would have been spitting pride out there, trying to my very best to create a happy 3-hour window that's surrounded by a nightmare. i'm sure a lot of those players have been personally impacted. and on top of that, their conventional home game turned into mass chaos. hell they ended up playing in a stadium that wasn't theirs with more fans of the opposition in the seats. yet at no time did an LA player have the appearance of someone busting out the woe-is-me card. instead they looked like they were shot out of a cannon from the opening kick, making plays all over the field. did those guys feel the same way i would have? only they can answer that. but they are human beings with pulses, so i can't imagine it NOT playing a role.
good season by your boys, they'll be back. idk what Darnold's future holds, but my guess is that the last two games opened the door for McCarthy to walk through it
It seems to me a LOT of people want to hand the ball to McCarthy.
I hope he is good. I see a lot of high draft choices that fail.
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@Maywood said: @JoeBanzai, the QB get's so much criticism because he has the ball in his hands for half the plays of the game, he directly affects half of everything that goes on during a game. As far as the rest of the team's performance and the coaching, I don't think enough credit is given to the opposing team in a loss. I look at it this way: the Rams were effective on offense which put pressure on the Vikings right out of the gate, their defense shut down the run/made it hard for the Viking receivers to consistently get open and kept pressure on Darnold.
Minnesota may have won 14 games, but they were beaten by a better team on Monday.
The Vikings players were good enough to win.
Did you notice the Rams came out passing on almost every down? BOOM. 10 Points on their first 2 drives. The rest of the game, the Rams offense managed 10 points.
Minnesota came back with their standard game plan, establish the run, which failed completely, then medium to long pass plays on 2nd and 3rd and long, which didn't work any better.
Rams better team? They have a better QB.
A better coaching job by the Vikings and the teams are pretty equal.
Still a great season by the Vikings.
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@craig44 said:
at this point i would like to see a detroit v buffalo SB.
I also at this point fully understand the Patriots "fatigue" that every NFL fan outside of New England felt for a 20 year period.
I don't think you understand it .0000001%, and you never will.
Speaking only for long time Vikings fans, your comment is pretty insulting.
Our team was arguably the best in pro football from 1968-77. What does everyone say when I point that out?
"Couldn't win the big game."
Bud Grant, one of the best coaches, Alan Page, one of the best defensive players, Fran Tarkenton, one of the best QB's.
Whenever we are proud of our tradition we always hear the same thing;
"Couldn't win the big game."
Had the best teams in 1998 & 2009.
"Couldn't win the big game."
No, you Pats fans will NEVER know how we feel.
what are you talking about "insulting" I dont think so. Dont you realize that most Patriots fans are also Red Sox fans. You do realize that the Red Sox went longer without a Championship than the Vikings have been a franchise, right? Perhaps you Vikings fans will NEVER know how that feels...
first off, that comment was not directed to you or any Vikings fans. I have NEVER heard anyone but you say that the Vikings of the late 60's-70's were "arguably" the best team of that time frame. They were not, and I dont believe any fan in NFL history ever had Vikings "fatigue"
there was nothing to be "fatigued" about with the Vikings teams. they never won anything. Perhaps there was some Steelers fatigue, or some Dolphins fatigue or Cowboys fatigue during that time, but never for Min.
by "fatigue" I mean fans being tired of seeing teams that win multiple championships over an extended period of time. like the steelers, 49ers, cowboys, patriots, Chiefs etc. My statement was simply to point out that I have lived through "my" team having an extended period of greatness and hearing many other fans hate on them because they win "too much" I have also lived with "my" team being a dumpster fire. like right now. like in the late 80s-90s. yes, I understand.
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Yep Darnold is great if he can stand behind a perfectly blocked rush situation while scanning the field for an open receiver at his leisure.
Any variable to that and he just isn't all that great
I feel bad for Min and the Vikings fans. was hoping for them to go far in the playoffs.
now they have a big decision to make: sign or franchise tag Darnold or go all in with JJ.
Honestly, I dont know what I would do
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
All in with McCarthy, they used a first round pick on him
Darnold has shown his ceiling
you are probably right. Im on the JJ train!!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Unfortunately for Sam it boils down to "what have you done for me lately".
Brutal way to end the season.
Lots of questions for the Vikings next year;
Who's going to be the QB?
Will the defensive coordinator move on?
Can/will they improve the offensive line?
They have a 1st round pick and two 5th round picks and will be drafting late in the 1st round, so not expecting an impact player. No help there.
I'm hoping they can afford to get a few free agents to come here.
We have $65million available to spend.
I don't think anyone will be satisfied with McCarthy at the helm. When he was Michigan he progressed each season but that seems as much due to the makeup of the team as his talent. He strikes me as coming from the same mold as Darnold, mainly a pure pocket passer with limited ability to avoid a rush and extend plays. Like it or not(and I don't really like it) that is now a primary ingredient needed by an NFL QB.
The prototypical guy now needs to be 6'3"-6'5" and 225-240lbs., with a strong arm, who runs fast and easily and has eyes in the back of his head. Both these QB's are at the low end of size, with strong arms, a bit on the slow side and playing with blinders.
I'd expect the Vikings to use the franchise tag on Darnold and see if he could duplicate his 2024 performance and not judge him solely off of b2b losses against two better teams. At that point, you wouldn't be locking in multiple years of starting QB salary and if his play takes a dip or if JJ's return from his knee injury goes better than expected, you could always trade Darnold by the deadline. I haven't kept up to date with McCarthy's rehab but what if he comes back with a clean bill of health and just isn't the same guy that he was pre-injury and you already let Darnold walk in FA?
Looking at Minnesota's free agents list, their top three FA outside of Darnold are:
LT Cam Robinson not likely to re-sign when MINN's starting LT Christain Darrisaw is due back
S Harrison Smith who is 35yrs old
CB Byron Murphy, likely going to see a decent raise from his 8M salary
I'd bite the bullet and give him one more year
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The tag on Darnold makes sense for sure especially if he just had his best 2 games rather than the regular season
Playoffs are tough look at the season Mayfield had and he was one and done off a subpar performance
Who knows, maybe the Vikings can get Darnold back for considerably less than the FT number (41M I think.) His salary was just 10M, maybe he'd be open to signing a 3yr/50-60Mish deal rather than a 3yr/100M deal that Baker got. He'd probably have interest from other teams in free agency but most may think his success was entirely due to who he was throwing too.
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I just looked at the Vikings schedule
Giants
Jets
Colts
Titans
Bear 2x
Jags
Falcons
Cardinals
Packers 2x
Didn’t they go through the same thing with Cousins a few years ago? Play a 3rd place schedule and one and done?
The Lions and Rams beat them twice.
The playoffs have exposed the contenders and pretenders.
To add insult to injury O’Connell is going to win coach of the year after getting destroyed in the last two games.
Lions fans should be angry
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Campbell doesn't deserve it since he single handedly kept his team out of the Super Bowl last NFC Championship game plus his roster is stacked
I don't see how Dan Quinn doesn't win COTY. Washington went from 4-13 to 12-5 (and a wild card round playoff win.)
edit: everyone will say it was because of Jayden Daniels but Washington's defense went from last in the league in total defense in 2023 to 13th in 2024. Their Points Allowed went from 30ppg to 23/g in 2024.
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Agreed about Quinn
Just about any NFL quarterback who stays on a roster for more than a couple games, even the backups, can cut a pass defense to pieces if they have all the time in the world to stand in the pocket. That’s why I think that the so-called “prevent defense” is a joke. I call it the “perverted defense” because it never works. If you don’t rush the quarterback in the NFL, you are going to look worse than the New York Giants, that’s pretty bad.
Darnold is not the answer. The good teams have figured out how to neutralize him. It’s like thinking that Curt Cousins is a franchise quarterback.. He isn’’t and he never was.
Minnesota got ambushed by a team whose motivation had to have been off the charts. that was much more than a playoff game; those guys were playing for a ravaged city last night and it showed. if i had been a Rams player i would've completely emptied the tank on every single play in an attempt to create a positive diversion for at least a few hours, and those players had that look throughout the game
Darnold was holding on to the ball for far too long imo. it's like he decided he was either going to wait until he saw an open window, or die........whichever came first. getting rid of the ball and living to fight another day clearly wasn't an option. it felt like the Rams had 55 sacks last night.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
No worries Vikings guys...
They already have 2 Wins for Sure when they play the Bears...
There is some truth to this but there are QB's who can navigate a collapsing pocket and get the ball to a receiver or check down to a RB
A QB with cement feet is never good
@perkdog
Perkdog types: A QB with cement feet is never good
hey ya Perkdog....
John Facenda said in Super Bowl VI about Tom Landry & Don Shula Reforming their Scrambling Quarterbacks Roger and Bob into Having More Patience to look over their pass coverage and Defenders...
Then again your O-Line has to:
Block - Cover - Execute...Ya gotta get those Guards Pullin' & Curlin'...
If you want I'll stop over with my VHS...
The playoffs have exposed the contenders and pretenders.
Nothing new. This is precisely what the playoffs are for and they are designed to accomplish that.
Question.
The Red lettered NFL Films tape smack dab in the middle with the brown stain, is that from resting a coffee cup or dip cup on there?
☕☕☕...
Looking at things logically, not emotionally;
Vikings lost first game to Detroit by 2 points, got destroyed by them the second time with several of the top Lions defenders hurt.
Lost the first game to LA in a very close contest, ridiculously stupid non call in end zone stopped any chance of the Vikings making (admittedly remote) comeback.
Second game got obliterated because of fires in LA? I doubt that.
Coaching, people, coaching.
Darnold had a bad game in Detroit, but O'Connell was WORSE, passing up 2 field goals and then having his Kicker kick-off to the sidelines, goes out of bounds, (I noticed the previous kick-off came very close to going out of bounds), Lions get a short field and get 3 points right before half.
Darnold beat every team we faced all year except for the Lions, who everyone knew was the best team in the division, and LA who has a very good team with a very good QB. Funny, people all said "you can't win a SB with Stafford", but he did!
The Lions and Rams both made adjustments to beat Minnesota in their second meetings. The Vikings kept doing the same thing over and over.
Couldn't run the ball, except for a couple of long runs against Detroit, abysmal agsinst the Rams. Their pass blocking was NOT good, Darnold was throwing high against the Lions in week 17, but was better on Monday.
How about a screen pass or quick slant across the middle to slow the rush? 9 sacks is NOT all Sam's fault. If Nobody's open, he holds the ball. Get him outside the tackle box, so he can throw it away. Sam's also a very good runner. Maybe have him run a couple of times to keep the defense "honest".
Attack "underneath" to open up the longer passes.
I've been saying all year O'Connell is not a good game time decision maker.
I'll never understand how so many people here give all the credit to one guy when the team wins and all the blame on the same guy when they lose.
I fully recognize Sam wasn't good week 17, but the game sure could have looked different with a 12-7 lead at half and getting the 2nd half kickoff. Maybe put in a few "safe" throws to settle him down.
I don't hear anyone criticizing the receivers. Justin Jefferson may have been double covered a lot, but he still has to get open and Addison seemed to disappear the last two weeks.
All in all, a season FAR, FAR better than predicted.
I sure hope this McCarthy kid isn't a bust, if we don't keep Darnold, at least we have Daniel Jones as insurance.
Basically 1 draft pick next year, (at least they kept their 1st round pick, not that it's going to be an impact player), but $65M to spend on free agents. Interior OFFENSIVE LINEMEN and a couple good defenders needed!
GO VIKINGS!
Let's hope Detroit or Buffalo wins it all!
I appreciate all of you that were pulling for the Vikes. As we say in Minnesota........."Wait 'til next year!" 😉
Joe B i wasn't placing all of the blame on Darnold; the entire team looked unrecognizable compared to what i had seen from them in other games. but you know how it goes -- after a game the QB gets dissected first. he either receives an inordinate amount of praise or an inordinate amount of blame, based on the outcome. i just didn't feel like digging any deeper beyond his play.
and i don't think LA won that game because of the fires. i was simply saying that if i had been a Rams player, that game would have had added meaning. i would have been spitting pride out there, trying to my very best to create a happy 3-hour window that's surrounded by a nightmare. i'm sure a lot of those players have been personally impacted. and on top of that, their conventional home game turned into mass chaos. hell they ended up playing in a stadium that wasn't theirs with more fans of the opposition in the seats. yet at no time did an LA player have the appearance of someone busting out the woe-is-me card. instead they looked like they were shot out of a cannon from the opening kick, making plays all over the field. did those guys feel the same way i would have? only they can answer that. but they are human beings with pulses, so i can't imagine it NOT playing a role.
good season by your boys, they'll be back. idk what Darnold's future holds, but my guess is that the last two games opened the door for McCarthy to walk through it
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
@JoeBanzai, the QB get's so much criticism because he has the ball in his hands for half the plays of the game, he directly affects half of everything that goes on during a game. As far as the rest of the team's performance and the coaching, I don't think enough credit is given to the opposing team in a loss. I look at it this way: the Rams were effective on offense which put pressure on the Vikings right out of the gate, their defense shut down the run/made it hard for the Viking receivers to consistently get open and kept pressure on Darnold.
Minnesota may have won 14 games, but they were beaten by a better team on Monday.
KC should throttle Houston
Detroit should beat Washington
I think the Rams have a good shot at beating Philly but it's Philly's game to lose
Buffalo vs Baltimore is a coin flip IMO
I think pocket passers can still be effective. if they cannot run, they need a few extra tools in their toolbox.
1. exceptionally fast processing skills
2. the ability to "feel" the rush and move in the pocket appropriately. (both Marino and Brady were masters at this)
3. an exceedingly fast release
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
at this point i would like to see a detroit v buffalo SB.
I also at this point fully understand the Patriots "fatigue" that every NFL fan outside of New England felt for a 20 year period.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
KC.
Detroit.
Philly.
Baltimore.
It seems to me a LOT of people want to hand the ball to McCarthy.
I hope he is good. I see a lot of high draft choices that fail.
The Vikings players were good enough to win.
Did you notice the Rams came out passing on almost every down? BOOM. 10 Points on their first 2 drives. The rest of the game, the Rams offense managed 10 points.
Minnesota came back with their standard game plan, establish the run, which failed completely, then medium to long pass plays on 2nd and 3rd and long, which didn't work any better.
Rams better team? They have a better QB.
A better coaching job by the Vikings and the teams are pretty equal.
Still a great season by the Vikings.
I don't think you understand it .0000001%, and you never will.
Speaking only for long time Vikings fans, your comment is pretty insulting.
Our team was arguably the best in pro football from 1968-77. What does everyone say when I point that out?
"Couldn't win the big game."
Bud Grant, one of the best coaches, Alan Page, one of the best defensive players, Fran Tarkenton, one of the best QB's.
Whenever we are proud of our tradition we always hear the same thing;
"Couldn't win the big game."
Had the best teams in 1998 & 2009.
"Couldn't win the big game."
No, you Pats fans will NEVER know how we feel.
Agreed and I'm happy we don't
Buffalo I'm sure feels the same way as Minny fans I'm guessing
Detroit and Cleveland have been hot messes for so long I think the fan culture expects them to lose
This is Detroit and Buffalo's chance
what are you talking about "insulting" I dont think so. Dont you realize that most Patriots fans are also Red Sox fans. You do realize that the Red Sox went longer without a Championship than the Vikings have been a franchise, right? Perhaps you Vikings fans will NEVER know how that feels...
first off, that comment was not directed to you or any Vikings fans. I have NEVER heard anyone but you say that the Vikings of the late 60's-70's were "arguably" the best team of that time frame. They were not, and I dont believe any fan in NFL history ever had Vikings "fatigue"
there was nothing to be "fatigued" about with the Vikings teams. they never won anything. Perhaps there was some Steelers fatigue, or some Dolphins fatigue or Cowboys fatigue during that time, but never for Min.
by "fatigue" I mean fans being tired of seeing teams that win multiple championships over an extended period of time. like the steelers, 49ers, cowboys, patriots, Chiefs etc. My statement was simply to point out that I have lived through "my" team having an extended period of greatness and hearing many other fans hate on them because they win "too much" I have also lived with "my" team being a dumpster fire. like right now. like in the late 80s-90s. yes, I understand.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.