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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2025 12:02PM

    @perkdog said: What's your thoughts on the Myles Garrett situation?

    It seems more prevalent in MLB at the trade-deadline to move players to a team where their chances are better at post-season play. That's the situation Garrett is in with the Browns. He's loyal and will play his heart out if the Browns retain him, but his immense talent is wasted here. The Owner/GM/HC will gain capital with other players if they honor his trade request. If they deny it and force him to play out his contract with the Browns it won't help encourage other players to want to sign here. And it's a foregone conclusion that with/without Garrett the Browns are going nowhere quickly.

    To that end, I feel Cleveland should not only trade him, they should involve him in the process so he ends up where he wants to go. Detroit would be a good landing spot where he could play opposite Aidan Hutchinson.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    @perkdog said: What's your thoughts on the Myles Garrett situation?

    It seems more prevalent in MLB at the trade-deadline to move players to a team where their chances are better at post-season play. That's the situation Garrett is in with the Browns. He's loyal and will play his heart out if the Browns retain him, but his immense talent is wasted here. The Owner/GM/HC will gain capital with other players if they honor his trade request. If they deny it and force him to play out his contract with the Browns it won't help encourage other players to want to sign here. And it's a foregone conclusion that with/without Garrett the Browns are going nowhere quickly.

    To that end, I feel Cleveland should not only trade him, they should involve him in the process so he ends up where he wants to go. Detroit would be a good landing spot where he could play opposite Aidan Hutchinson.

    Well said, If I were the Browns I'd try to help Garrett get into a good situation since he has been such a good Brown.

    But it's a business first so who knows

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    can you imagine Miles Garrett added to that Eagles front 4!?!?!

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    can you imagine Miles Garrett added to that Eagles front 4!?!?!

    Umm that would be diabolical

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.aol.com/jets-reportedly-told-aaron-rodgers-224309647.html

    Aaron Rodgers, for better or for worse, has been a regular on "The Pat McAfee Show" for years.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pat McAfee is one of the few watchable things left on ESPN.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    Pat McAfee is one of the few watchable things left on ESPN.

    I can completely understand the Jets wanting Rodgers at all practices but the McAfee show is on his own personal time

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Checking the Sports News this morning it appears we have officially entered the most fun time of the entire NFL season, that grey area between the Super Bowl and the Draft!!! Free Agency or whatever it's called now will start to heat up, trades should happen, rumor mills will be spinning at full speed and some actual truth about what's happening might be found. Teams will address their needs the best they can and try some disinformation to prevent their competition from moving ahead of them.

    Can't wait to see who ends up where and what players teams draft. Might be time to get excited about "ice-out" by getting everything ready.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interested in seeing who the Vikings QB is going to be.

    Have to think that even with the 2 losses at the end of the year Darnold will get some big offers based on his regular season performance. If so, he's gone.

    What's the market for Daniel Jones? Vikings hoping not much and can get him cheap for a year while McCarthy gets a healthy year as a backup.

    JJ McCarthy, will he be a bust, a decent QB, or a very good one? Hoping he's great, but worried he'll be a bust. The worst outcome will be if he's average to good.

    Vikings need offensive and defensive interior line help. Free agency has been their best option lately.
    Their cap money could dry up fast.

    Would love to get the guy from Cleveland on defense, maybe draft a stud O lineman with their first pick. Need a DB or two as well.

    GO VIKINGS!

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2025 10:07AM

    @JoeBanzai said: Would love to get the guy from Cleveland on defense

    I think there are a lot of teams that would like to get Myles Garrett from the Browns, get on the list and be ready to pony up some draft picks. My thinking is at least 2-number one picks plus and the first order of business is to lock him up with a contract extension. I believe Garrett is good through 2026. I hate to say this but my "spidey senses" say he's headed to the Lions.

    I also think Cleveland may be close to parting ways with Nick Chubb and a good landing spot for him might be arch rival Pittsburgh.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    @JoeBanzai said: Would love to get the guy from Cleveland on defense

    I think there are a lot of teams that would like to get Myles Garrett from the Browns, get on the list and be ready to pony up some draft picks. My thinking is at least 2-number one picks plus and the first order of business is to lock him up with a contract extension. I believe Garrett is good through 2026. I hate to say this but my "spidey senses" say he's headed to the Lions.

    I also think Cleveland may be close to parting ways with Nick Chubb and a good landing spot for him might be arch rival Pittsburgh.

    Has there been any hint of what Cleveland might do with the #2 pick? From afar, it seems like they'd be choosing between Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders or trade. Is that what the consensus might be there?

    With NE owning the 4th pick and not looking for a QB, the talk here is they'd likely be looking to draft one of Carter, Hunter, Will Campbell or a trade. Their options there really depend on what the Browns might do ahead of them. They may get the chance to have a go at either QB there and with the Watson situation looking so bleak at the moment it may make sense to start planning to move on from him at their earliest convenience. I'm not sure of the type of cap hit the Browns may end up with but I'd expect it to be pretty high. Or are they going to try to keep building around Watson? Another offseason to get his body right and having a nice shiny new playmaker to pair up with could possibly do wonders lol.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no idea of what the Browns plan to do with their pick, if they were smart probably trade it away. Doing that in addition to what they can get in a Garrett trade would go a long way towards helping them recover from the Watson debacle.
    They are shuffling around their Coaching Staff now and their primary needs are Offensive Line and Defensive Backfield. Those positions can be addressed with lower round picks or free agents.

    This is similar to where they were before they picked Baker Mayfield.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2025 1:22PM

    I think teams will value Cam Ward and Sanders after watching the season Jayden Daniels has had, let's be real. here and call it what it is and that it's a freaking crap shoot.

    Do you want to. be the GM that trades away that pick where you had Ward at your finger tips and he turns into. Daniels or Stroud?

    I would have bet neither Stroud or Daniels was going to be what they are out of the gate.

    Of course there is the possibility of running into another Richardson or Levis disaster but that's the risks you take with a draft

    You just never know who is going to be what

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    I have no idea of what the Browns plan to do with their pick, if they were smart probably trade it away. Doing that in addition to what they can get in a Garrett trade would go a long way towards helping them recover from the Watson debacle.
    They are shuffling around their Coaching Staff now and their primary needs are Offensive Line and Defensive Backfield. Those positions can be addressed with lower round picks or free agents.

    This is similar to where they were before they picked Baker Mayfield.

    I just looked at the dead cap hit for Watson and it was pretty rough (172M for 2025,) He's not going anywhere anytime soon. Travis Hunter is heading into the combine to workout as a DB so he could be a huge addition for their defensive backfield while possibly also being a playmaker for Watson. If they're looking for a LT, the three names most mentioned are LSU's Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks Jr out of Texas and Josh Simmons who played for the Buckeyes and coming off of a knee injury. (I'm hoping to see NE land one of those three.)

    Its definitely going to be interesting to see where Garrett ends up and what its going to cost that team to land him.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    I think teams will value Cam Ward and Sanders after watching the season Jayden Daniels has had, let's be real. here and call it what it is and that it's a freaking crap shoot.

    Do you want to. be the GM that trades away that pick where you had Ward at your finger tips and he turns into. Daniels or Stroud?

    I would have bet neither Stroud or Daniels was going to be what they are out of the gate.

    Of course there is the possibility of running into another Richardson or Levis disaster but that's the risks you take with a draft

    You just never know who is going to be what

    If I had to make a guess, I'd go with Ward going to the Titans and Sanders to the Giants. I agree that the upside is definitely there but I don't think many teams are dying to trade up for one of the two like teams wanted to with Daniels, Maye & Williams a year ago. The vibe has felt entirely different but maybe that changes as we get closer to draft day.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    I think teams will value Cam Ward and Sanders after watching the season Jayden Daniels has had, let's be real. here and call it what it is and that it's a freaking crap shoot.

    Do you want to. be the GM that trades away that pick where you had Ward at your finger tips and he turns into. Daniels or Stroud?

    I would have bet neither Stroud or Daniels was going to be what they are out of the gate.

    Of course there is the possibility of running into another Richardson or Levis disaster but that's the risks you take with a draft

    You just never know who is going to be what

    Daniels was criminally underrated in college which sounds weird since he won the Heisman. What he did in Washington is what he did at LSU where there were games he would put the offense on his back and hes a passer that can run instead of a runner that can throw.

    Ward is the really tempting one this year. Miami was way better than they should have been because of what he could do offensively. Hell be interesting if he lands with a team with some WRs. Im not sold on Sanders. Hes a diva and spent his career in systems designed to make him look as good as possible. Hes not going to have Hunter to just throw the ball up to in panic situations any more either. QBs are hard to predict and I could be wrong, but I would not draft Sanders and let someone else trade up for that mistake

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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭✭

    Browns need to draft a QB. With Watson’s cap situation that is the only way for them to get their cap healthy.

    That said, they are probably better off picking a non-QB, tanking in 2025, and then getting the top pick next year to use on a QB. They would be in the situation Denver was this year, with a ton of dead cap space for Watson but a rookie QB.

    I am sure whatever they actually decide to do won’t work. The Browns never seem to have things work out for them.

    For what it is worth, i don’t think any of the top QB prospects this year are worth a top 5 pick.

    Robb

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2025 5:16PM

    As far as the dead cap hit each team would be dealing with by getting out of their veteran QB, Cleveland's situation with Watson is much more dire than Wilson's was in Denver.

    The Broncos dead money total for 2024 that included Wilson's money was roughly 89M (RW accounted for 53 of that 89M.)
    If the Browns dump Watson it's a 172M for Deshaun Watson alone, close to double what Denver was dealing with.

    If the Browns just wait until next offseason then Watson's cap hit alone would be much less money (99M for 2026.)
    Cleveland still has 172M of his money on their books going forward. They whiffed hard on Deshaun Watson but it may make sense to grab one of the QBs if they really like the guy and start planning for life after DW.

    Watson's Spotrac page: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21753/deshaun-watson

    edit: actually if the Browns release him before June 1st he'll only account for 99M in 2025 with the remaining 73M on the books the following year. They're total dead money for 2025 would be about half of the 275M salary cap.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New news from Browns ownership is a 50/50 split on funding for a new stadium which is the biggest load of crap. The Bonds in place to finance the current stadium are still not completely paid for!!! Think about that for a moment: Cleveland Browns owner(s) Dee and Jimmy Haslam, with a current net worth of approximately $8.5 BILLION want the citizens of Cleveland/Cuyahoga County/Ohio help pay for a new stadium to the tune of $2.4 billion while they are still paying for the current palace the team plays in. You can't make this shit up.

    It really makes me nuts to think that since my money in the form of tax dollars supports this team and these owners that I have no say whatsoever in the poor management decisions they make. Now they expect the public to subsidize their irresponsible decision making with more financing. Currently, there are two active lawsuits concerning the team, one by ownership in Federal Court to clarify the so-called "Modell Law" and a second in State Court to enforce that same law.

    Haslam wants to start play in his/our new stadium in 2028. The goal of the State filing is to force either sale of the team or renovation of the current stadium. Jimmy Haslam has proven that he might be able to run a retail entity such as the Flying J. Corporation but he is over-matched with regards to an NFL franchise, so who knows what the eventual outcome will be.

    All I know is that I don't need/want any additional tax burden, no matter how large.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New York State gave $500 million towards the Bills new stadium. Ridiculous. Then they raise ticket prices. The fans get what they deserve for not fighting this welfare support.

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2025 12:15PM

    Here's a definitive sign that the end of the world is near...Bill Belichick not only created an Instagram account but he also created an inaugural 2024 All-Belichick Team. 😂


  • bgrbgr Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Browns should relocate the team to another city again.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:
    Here's a definitive sign that the end of the world is near...Bill Belichick not only created an Instagram account but he also created an inaugural 2024 All-Belichick Team. 😂


    Im going to guess he doesnt even know how to sign into IG and his GF is running the account lol

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Here's a definitive sign that the end of the world is near...Bill Belichick not only created an Instagram account but he also created an inaugural 2024 All-Belichick Team. 😂


    Im going to guess he doesnt even know how to sign into IG and his GF is running the account lol

    Speaking of Bill's GF, was she trolling the Falcons for not hiring Bill? Or for blowing a 28-3 lead in the SB? Both?
    You can just tell that Belichick has officially reached the point where he just doesn't give af anymore lol. Its like he's spent this past month plus out in public basically giving the entire NFL world the two fingered salute.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you guys are making too much out of this. Dude is just living his life.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:
    I think you guys are making too much out of this. Dude is just living his life.

    Oh I agree, especially if you go see the type of content that he's posted on his IG account, it was very Belichick-ean but his appearances lately have caused quite a stir in the sports media world at SB weekend. Judging from the different interviews & podcasts that I tuned into, many people around the league were all pondering the same question, What's up with Bill? Some thought that this was entirely out of character for the guy. 🤷‍♂️

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Here's a definitive sign that the end of the world is near...Bill Belichick not only created an Instagram account but he also created an inaugural 2024 All-Belichick Team. 😂


    Im going to guess he doesnt even know how to sign into IG and his GF is running the account lol

    Speaking of Bill's GF, was she trolling the Falcons for not hiring Bill? Or for blowing a 28-3 lead in the SB? Both?
    You can just tell that Belichick has officially reached the point where he just doesn't give af anymore lol. Its like he's spent this past month plus out in public basically giving the entire NFL world the two fingered salute.

    I wouldnt care anymore either if UNC was dumb enough to give me 10 mil a year to do something I dont care about. Hes going to be a disaster at UNC. Him and his GF they both know what it is and good for him for enjoying the time he has left.

    Her shirt reminds me of the loser merch Haiti and the African nations get donated and it looks like the Bills won multiple SBs in the 1990s

    Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007

  • bgrbgr Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Here's a definitive sign that the end of the world is near...Bill Belichick not only created an Instagram account but he also created an inaugural 2024 All-Belichick Team. 😂


    Im going to guess he doesnt even know how to sign into IG and his GF is running the account lol

    Speaking of Bill's GF, was she trolling the Falcons for not hiring Bill? Or for blowing a 28-3 lead in the SB? Both?
    You can just tell that Belichick has officially reached the point where he just doesn't give af anymore lol. Its like he's spent this past month plus out in public basically giving the entire NFL world the two fingered salute.

    I wouldnt care anymore either if UNC was dumb enough to give me 10 mil a year to do something I dont care about. Hes going to be a disaster at UNC. Him and his GF they both know what it is and good for him for enjoying the time he has left.

    Her shirt reminds me of the loser merch Haiti and the African nations get donated and it looks like the Bills won multiple SBs in the 1990s

    Great post.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @erikthredd said:
    Here's a definitive sign that the end of the world is near...Bill Belichick not only created an Instagram account but he also created an inaugural 2024 All-Belichick Team. 😂


    Im going to guess he doesnt even know how to sign into IG and his GF is running the account lol

    Speaking of Bill's GF, was she trolling the Falcons for not hiring Bill? Or for blowing a 28-3 lead in the SB? Both?
    You can just tell that Belichick has officially reached the point where he just doesn't give af anymore lol. Its like he's spent this past month plus out in public basically giving the entire NFL world the two fingered salute.

    I wouldnt care anymore either if UNC was dumb enough to give me 10 mil a year to do something I dont care about. Hes going to be a disaster at UNC. Him and his GF they both know what it is and good for him for enjoying the time he has left.

    Her shirt reminds me of the loser merch Haiti and the African nations get donated and it looks like the Bills won multiple SBs in the 1990s

    And the part that is the funniest of all is that its not some random merch t-shirt from some third world country, she went out of her way (either ordering online or at some print shop) to have that one made up. It just makes you wonder the reasoning behind that team.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Getting back to football.

    The latest rumor is JJ McCarthy not progressing as well as expected, Vikings might use transition tag on Darnold.

    Now, back to whatever you were talking about.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Aaron Rodgers' future: QB pleaded with Jets to keep him for 2025 season, per report - CBSSports.com https://search.app/NMWAfyud2hBEKTSu6

    This is interesting and funny

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PS: Time to start a 2025 Football Thread...............

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe ride this one out until a week before the draft, but you're right, the 2024 season and most of what went with it is history.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Steven59 said:
    PS: Time to start a 2025 Football Thread...............

    Alex, I'll take Women Trying To Build Up That Social Media Following for $500, please. 😎👍

    And on that note... https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1111716/2025-nfl-offseason-draft-thread/p1?new=1

    Someone hit the lights on the way out!

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it sets a really good example to see Belichick and Davis hanging out with their daughters, family is important. B)

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