@Maywood said: Most of a football game is the play clock counting down
That's a good point. in the Ravens vs. Bills game there were 116 plays. The play clock starts at 40 and team routinely snap the ball at under 10 seconds. During the course of a game that adds up to between 45-50 minutes.
I read something a long time ago there was 8 or was it 12 minutes of actual gameplay in an NFL game
And yet people seem to be less inclined to criticize a length of a football game compared to the length of time in a baseball game given the comparable time frame of both.
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The play calling and audibles result in a massive amount of wasted time in games, I hear announcers make mention of poor clock management all the time and it's not just about calling a TO it's all the movement and barking and clapping the QB does before they hike the ball, it's ridiculous the amount of time it takes to run a play
@Maywood said:
NBA games really slow down in the last minute as each team rushes to use their last time-out!!
I mentioned this at the time over in the NBA thread but to add to your point above, the final :34 seconds of the most recent C's/Cavs meeting that Cleveland won lasted a good 20-25mins alone due to all of the immediate fouling after the ball went into play. They combined for a total of 20pts in that final :34 seconds which is pretty crazy when you think about it.
@Maywood said: @JoeBanzai said: Why risk the 15 yards unless you are actually trying to knock the guy out of the game?
Funny you should say that, Sunday afternoon we took a trip down memory lane and watched some of Vontaze Burfict's greatest hits!! Most of those were blatant and intentional, but most of what happens today is an outgrowth of how big the players are and how fast the game moves. My perspective is simple: protect the players if you can, but don't distort the game and change the outcome by being overly cautious.
Lots of penalties don't get called that should and a lot that shouldn't be called are. I don't fault the officials for discussions like this, I blame the NFL and the camera/replay system they have in place but seemingly refuse to use. The excuse is that they don't want to interrupt the flow of the game or make things longer than they already are, sort of like what MLB is wrestling with. Fans complain that games are too long, then they complain about the rule changes to speed them up!!
We used to call that Catch 22.
The easiest fix might be to allow an official to be reviewing "Live" and not let the fans see 14 different angles of every play three times. We only complain cause we can see what the on-field officials can't.
I'm sorry, but nothing you wrote made any sense to me.
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@JoeBanzai said:
On the other one, I can understand some complaining, but AGAIN, you can't hit the QB in the head or facemask.
As explained earlier in the thread, yes, you can. The standard is forcible contact, which that first one was not. As backed up by both commentators and the rules guy. And even the NFL in their defense of the call admitted that it was debatable as to whether it should have been a penalty ("You can end up having a debate, you know, about whether you felt it was forcible or not").
The problem is now it comes down to a split second decision if if was forcible contact.
Defensive players can eliminate the possibility by not hitting guys in the head.
Or they can just review it and sort it afterwards.
Helmets do hit when 2 or multiple players are involved in a tackle and most of the time it's unintentional contact
Well, it doesn't matter if it's unintentional or not, it comes down to a judgement call by an official. The NFL is supposedly trying to reduce concussions that may cause CTE.
Don't get me wrong, I think at least one of these two calls was very weak.
Generally speaking, you don't need to lead with your helmet and hit the offensive player in the head.
Why risk the 15 yards unless you are actually trying to knock the guy out of the game?
And I think you bring up a very valid point about leading with your helmet for sure, these guys got away from wrapping up and form tackling to just wanting to hit a guy into next week but sometimes incidental. contact helmet to helmet that is completely not malicious happens for a variety of reasons and can be out of the players control.
All I'm saying is they should review these calls and have them looked at by someone other than a ref on the field, give the coach and opportunity to get at least one review a half or something because these calls depict the outcome of a game sometimes.
This is going on in college as well, the ASU vs Texas non call was one of the worst I've seen in a while
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I'll repeat something I said earlier this year; have an official watch the ballcariers head and call ALL the helmet to helmet hits. This is the only thing that will cause them to stop.
Secondly, have someone watching for egregious penalties that get missed by the officials. The one earlier in the year where the Vikings QB was sacked for a safety by being obviously tackled by the facemask is one example.
Or just forget the whole thing and let them kill eachother.
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I think it’s generally accepted that Mahomes receives some preference by the league as one of its primary stars.
Whether those two flags should have been picked up. One for sure and the other, which could be argued, didn’t have to be called either. His helmet was not lowered and contact initiated in the pads. The rule is pretty clear that isn’t meeting the criteria of the helmet rule.
For people outside of Chiefs fans there’s now this perception where everything borderline is going to be amplified into conspiracy.
If there is favoritism/preference for certain players the NFL obviously does not seem to care. As they are putting it right out there for everyone to see.
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NFL is starting to feel like the NBA. In that just watch the last 2-5 minutes. Lately, or many times this year, it seems like the NFL games go right down to the wire. Decided in the last few minutes.
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@BLUEJAYWAY said:
NFL is starting to feel like the NBA. In that just watch the last 2-5 minutes. Lately, or many times this year, it seems like the NFL games go right down to the wire. Decided in the last few minutes.
That's because NFL coaches to are for the most part complete idiots
They drop the defenders back and leave 20 yards free underneath nearly every single time and let the opponents march right down the field because they insist on dropping 3 deep and install that prevent D
Happens all the time and teams get into scoring position and have a chance to win.
@bgr said:
I think it’s generally accepted that Mahomes receives some preference by the league as one of its primary stars.
Whether those two flags should have been picked up. One for sure and the other, which could be argued, didn’t have to be called either. His helmet was not lowered and contact initiated in the pads. The rule is pretty clear that isn’t meeting the criteria of the helmet rule.
For people outside of Chiefs fans there’s now this perception where everything borderline is going to be amplified into conspiracy.
If you avoid hitting the QB in the head, no flag gets thrown. Unless ref calls "unnecessary roughness".
Play nice kids.
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if you're a defensive player and can go full blast for 4 quarters without contacting any part of someone's head even once, you should be named 1st-team all-pro on the spot
@Maywood said: Most of a football game is the play clock counting down
That's a good point. in the Ravens vs. Bills game there were 116 plays. The play clock starts at 40 and team routinely snap the ball at under 10 seconds. During the course of a game that adds up to between 45-50 minutes.
I read something a long time ago there was 8 or was it 12 minutes of actual gameplay in an NFL game
I forget who did the study (I think it might have been Stanford) but I remember that too where they looked at a ton of NFL games. They found that the average amount of actual game play was only 8 minutes and the rest was just letting the clock run
The last 2 minutes of basketball games are brutal too. With all the timeouts and fouling the last 2 minutes take almost as long as the rest of the half did if not longer
I have considered the fact that an NFL game (and college; and high school games) has only about 8-12 minutes of actual time where plays are being run and find that very interesting.
If you take an average of 10 minutes of actual play and divide that by 2 (assuming offense and defense both play half of a game), then each offensive unit and each defensive unit [I am not counting special teams] play an average of 5 minutes of time running a play.
Since the NFL has a 17 game regular season, the means actual play time for a season is about 170 minutes (2 hours, 50 minutes) for each team; with each offensive and defensive unit playing 85 minutes (1 hour, 25 minutes) in a regular season.
Take each of these numbers and compare them against the total number of hours (likely well over 2,000) an NFL player devotes each year (say March 1 through the following February 28 so that a given season, say 2024-2025, is included within it) to physically prepare and maintain himself to be able to actually play his 85 minutes [for any given player the 85 minutes of actual playing time is likely much less due to him not being on the field for every play of his particular unit; and due to him being out due to injury or other reason].
These numbers are hard to get one's head around.
Further, assume that instead of 10 minutes of actual play in an NFL game, change the rules to require that each team and the individuals on each team play 60 minutes of actual play.
Doing so would result in each team playing 1,020 minutes each regular season (instead of 170), with each unit playing 510 minutes (instead of 85).
Doing so would result in each game, from start to finish taking about 18 -24 hours to play (with time outs, half time, etc.); and would result in many, most and possibly all starting players on each unit not being able to play the entire game. Players would be injured constantly, many who would be out for the season. The 53 man roster would likely not cut it for a single game, much less an entire season. The 53 man roster would have to be doubled or tripled in size; and each week there would be constant roster turnover. Talk about a meat grinder.
Further, assume that instead of 10 minutes of actual play in an NFL game, change the rules to require that each team and the individuals on each team play 60 minutes of actual play.
Doing so would result in each team playing 1,020 minutes each regular season (instead of 170), with each unit playing 510 minutes (instead of 85).
and doing so would result in carcasses strewn all over the field
and doing so would result in an average of 745 penalty yards levied against any team that played the Chiefs
@Darin said:
I’m pretty much done here anyway. It used to be fun coming here and celebrating a Chiefs win. Now every single time they win everyone says the refs handed them the game. Just not a fun place anymore. Nobody even mentioned the Chiefs pressured the QB 23 times and had 8 sacks. That had nothing to do with the win, it was only the refs following “the script” that gave them the win.
Enjoy the rest of the season everyone, some good games coming up. 🥳
this is exactly what it was like to be a Pats fan for all those years. After the first couple, the rest of the country hated NE and there were constant complaints about them winning all the time. it comes with the territory. Winners fatigue. enjoy it!!
The thing with the refs has been going on now for at least a couple years with the Chiefs.. I pretty much only follow sports on here now and I see it flashed online very frequently and I am not on any sports sites. There was a few times people were saying the refs helped the Pats but this with the Chiefs is all the time and everywhere.
I think the best thing is just enjoy it with friends and family who also enjoy the Chiefs. if you go outside family and friends you are just a target , kinda like what is happening with our country with the people who attack others because they disagree with your beliefs.
The funny thing is, and I know I am extremely biased, it seemed the league was actively against NE. It was pretty well known that Godell hated NE/Brady. Remember Brady rubbing it in his face after the atlanta win.
last word on this topic from me. what truly pisses me off is that the NFL refuses to make things right in games. watch the reel i posted of Rich Eisen talking about this. that's the solution. the moment a flag is thrown, someone upstairs is immediately reviewing it. if it's a blown call, they signal down and the flag is picked up. what, we can put a man on the moon half a century ago but we cant ensure that professional football games are officiated properly with all of the resources we have in 2025? please stop insulting the intelligence of every single individual who watches one of these games.
like Eisen said, getting the call right is of utmost importance above and beyond anything else. we've all become so numb to games being altered by terrible officiating that it feels so natural for many to just proceed as if it never happened. i cannot do that, especially knowing that the problem could easily be rectified.
when i see a team like Houston legitimately stop Kansas City and earn the right to the ball, only for the Chiefs to keep it because of horrendous officiating and then blow down the field and score, only to then be subjected to watching Swift and Clark play patty-cake in a suite knowing full well what that means to the NFL, the entire situation infuriates me. all of a sudden I'm watching a bullshit product that I can't trust. that's just me, that's where my mind goes.
and if it was any other QB/team combo not named Patrick Mahomes/Kansas City Chiefs on the receiving end of continued preferential treatment, i'd have a difficult time stomaching them too.
@galaxy27 said:
last word on this topic from me. what truly pisses me off is that the NFL refuses to make things right in games. watch the reel i posted of Rich Eisen talking about this. that's the solution. the moment a flag is thrown, someone upstairs is immediately reviewing it. if it's a blown call, they signal down and the flag it picked up. what, we can put a man on the moon half a century ago but we cant ensure that professional football games are officiated properly with all of the resources we have in 2025? please stop insulting the intelligence of every single individual who watches one of these games.
like Eisen said, getting the call right is of utmost importance above and beyond anything else. we've all become so numb to games being altered by terrible officiating that it feels so natural for many to just proceed as if it never happened. i cannot do that, especially knowing that the problem could easily be rectified.
when i see a team like Houston legitimately stop Kansas City and earn the right to the ball, only for the Chiefs to keep it because of horrendous officiating and then blow down the field and score, only to then be subjected to watching Swift and Clark play patty-cake in a suite knowing full well what that means to the NFL, the entire situation infuriates me. all of a sudden I'm watching a bullshit product that I can't trust. that's just me, that's where my mind goes.
and if it was any other QB/team combo not named Patrick Mahomes/Kansas City Chiefs on the receiving end of continued preferential treatment, i'd have a difficult time stomaching them too.
The other thing that needs to happen and should have happened already like the XFL did is have the replays be broadcast live where you can hear what theyre saying and looking at. NFL MLB get actual officials out of the booth who dont want to overturn their friends call, have dedicated replay officials who dont have to worry about their boss getting made at them and broadcast the entire thing live
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And yet people seem to be less inclined to criticize a length of a football game compared to the length of time in a baseball game given the comparable time frame of both.
The play calling and audibles result in a massive amount of wasted time in games, I hear announcers make mention of poor clock management all the time and it's not just about calling a TO it's all the movement and barking and clapping the QB does before they hike the ball, it's ridiculous the amount of time it takes to run a play
I mentioned this at the time over in the NBA thread but to add to your point above, the final :34 seconds of the most recent C's/Cavs meeting that Cleveland won lasted a good 20-25mins alone due to all of the immediate fouling after the ball went into play. They combined for a total of 20pts in that final :34 seconds which is pretty crazy when you think about it.
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I'm sorry, but nothing you wrote made any sense to me.
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I'll repeat something I said earlier this year; have an official watch the ballcariers head and call ALL the helmet to helmet hits. This is the only thing that will cause them to stop.
Secondly, have someone watching for egregious penalties that get missed by the officials. The one earlier in the year where the Vikings QB was sacked for a safety by being obviously tackled by the facemask is one example.
Or just forget the whole thing and let them kill eachother.
I think it’s generally accepted that Mahomes receives some preference by the league as one of its primary stars.
Whether those two flags should have been picked up. One for sure and the other, which could be argued, didn’t have to be called either. His helmet was not lowered and contact initiated in the pads. The rule is pretty clear that isn’t meeting the criteria of the helmet rule.
For people outside of Chiefs fans there’s now this perception where everything borderline is going to be amplified into conspiracy.
If there is favoritism/preference for certain players the NFL obviously does not seem to care. As they are putting it right out there for everyone to see.
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NFL is starting to feel like the NBA. In that just watch the last 2-5 minutes. Lately, or many times this year, it seems like the NFL games go right down to the wire. Decided in the last few minutes.
That's because NFL coaches to are for the most part complete idiots
They drop the defenders back and leave 20 yards free underneath nearly every single time and let the opponents march right down the field because they insist on dropping 3 deep and install that prevent D
Happens all the time and teams get into scoring position and have a chance to win.
If you avoid hitting the QB in the head, no flag gets thrown. Unless ref calls "unnecessary roughness".
Play nice kids.
if you're a defensive player and can go full blast for 4 quarters without contacting any part of someone's head even once, you should be named 1st-team all-pro on the spot
you couldn't pay me enough to play defense
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I blame slow motion replay. It made everyone an expert 16 milliseconds at a time.
I forget who did the study (I think it might have been Stanford) but I remember that too where they looked at a ton of NFL games. They found that the average amount of actual game play was only 8 minutes and the rest was just letting the clock run
The last 2 minutes of basketball games are brutal too. With all the timeouts and fouling the last 2 minutes take almost as long as the rest of the half did if not longer
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I have considered the fact that an NFL game (and college; and high school games) has only about 8-12 minutes of actual time where plays are being run and find that very interesting.
If you take an average of 10 minutes of actual play and divide that by 2 (assuming offense and defense both play half of a game), then each offensive unit and each defensive unit [I am not counting special teams] play an average of 5 minutes of time running a play.
Since the NFL has a 17 game regular season, the means actual play time for a season is about 170 minutes (2 hours, 50 minutes) for each team; with each offensive and defensive unit playing 85 minutes (1 hour, 25 minutes) in a regular season.
Take each of these numbers and compare them against the total number of hours (likely well over 2,000) an NFL player devotes each year (say March 1 through the following February 28 so that a given season, say 2024-2025, is included within it) to physically prepare and maintain himself to be able to actually play his 85 minutes [for any given player the 85 minutes of actual playing time is likely much less due to him not being on the field for every play of his particular unit; and due to him being out due to injury or other reason].
These numbers are hard to get one's head around.
Further, assume that instead of 10 minutes of actual play in an NFL game, change the rules to require that each team and the individuals on each team play 60 minutes of actual play.
Doing so would result in each team playing 1,020 minutes each regular season (instead of 170), with each unit playing 510 minutes (instead of 85).
Doing so would result in each game, from start to finish taking about 18 -24 hours to play (with time outs, half time, etc.); and would result in many, most and possibly all starting players on each unit not being able to play the entire game. Players would be injured constantly, many who would be out for the season. The 53 man roster would likely not cut it for a single game, much less an entire season. The 53 man roster would have to be doubled or tripled in size; and each week there would be constant roster turnover. Talk about a meat grinder.
American football is not for the faint of heart.
and doing so would result in carcasses strewn all over the field
and doing so would result in an average of 745 penalty yards levied against any team that played the Chiefs
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Rich Eisen you are making far too much sense bud
please pump the brakes and complicate things
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this is exactly what it was like to be a Pats fan for all those years. After the first couple, the rest of the country hated NE and there were constant complaints about them winning all the time. it comes with the territory. Winners fatigue. enjoy it!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The thing with the refs has been going on now for at least a couple years with the Chiefs.. I pretty much only follow sports on here now and I see it flashed online very frequently and I am not on any sports sites. There was a few times people were saying the refs helped the Pats but this with the Chiefs is all the time and everywhere.
I think the best thing is just enjoy it with friends and family who also enjoy the Chiefs. if you go outside family and friends you are just a target , kinda like what is happening with our country with the people who attack others because they disagree with your beliefs.
The funny thing is, and I know I am extremely biased, it seemed the league was actively against NE. It was pretty well known that Godell hated NE/Brady. Remember Brady rubbing it in his face after the atlanta win.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
last word on this topic from me. what truly pisses me off is that the NFL refuses to make things right in games. watch the reel i posted of Rich Eisen talking about this. that's the solution. the moment a flag is thrown, someone upstairs is immediately reviewing it. if it's a blown call, they signal down and the flag is picked up. what, we can put a man on the moon half a century ago but we cant ensure that professional football games are officiated properly with all of the resources we have in 2025? please stop insulting the intelligence of every single individual who watches one of these games.
like Eisen said, getting the call right is of utmost importance above and beyond anything else. we've all become so numb to games being altered by terrible officiating that it feels so natural for many to just proceed as if it never happened. i cannot do that, especially knowing that the problem could easily be rectified.
when i see a team like Houston legitimately stop Kansas City and earn the right to the ball, only for the Chiefs to keep it because of horrendous officiating and then blow down the field and score, only to then be subjected to watching Swift and Clark play patty-cake in a suite knowing full well what that means to the NFL, the entire situation infuriates me. all of a sudden I'm watching a bullshit product that I can't trust. that's just me, that's where my mind goes.
and if it was any other QB/team combo not named Patrick Mahomes/Kansas City Chiefs on the receiving end of continued preferential treatment, i'd have a difficult time stomaching them too.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
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The other thing that needs to happen and should have happened already like the XFL did is have the replays be broadcast live where you can hear what theyre saying and looking at. NFL MLB get actual officials out of the booth who dont want to overturn their friends call, have dedicated replay officials who dont have to worry about their boss getting made at them and broadcast the entire thing live
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