@Darin said:
After watching the clock dissolve into nothingness on the Bears with one timeout left my first thought was I would love to see the coaches post game comments. Anyone know what he said? I do think Caleb Williams should know better than to stand there for 5-7 seconds when everyone is set and in place before the ball is snapped. Yes he’s a rookie but he’s been a qb and team leader for a long time.
But its mainly on Eberflus he should have called the timeout as soon as Caleb got sacked.
This may not be popular but the worst thing about thanksgiving football now is all the Madden turduckin crap.
Okay fellas he’s gone now and has been for several years just let it go and let’s move on.
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Lions on prime time single game is their time to show America they’re for real.
Bears don’t have the fire power to keep up.
Lions 31 Bears 13
Lions tried extremely hard to be the old Lions on Thanksgiving. Thankfully for them the Bears also tried harder to screw this up. Don’t care about the outcome. The Lions didn’t look like an 11-1 team in the second half and a good team would have beat them. C- in a victory over a 4 win team. Not impressed
Lions played down to their opposition. Seems big favorites do this alot in all sports.
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@Darin said:
After watching the clock dissolve into nothingness on the Bears with one timeout left my first thought was I would love to see the coaches post game comments. Anyone know what he said? I do think Caleb Williams should know better than to stand there for 5-7 seconds when everyone is set and in place before the ball is snapped. Yes he’s a rookie but he’s been a qb and team leader for a long time.
But its mainly on Eberflus he should have called the timeout as soon as Caleb got sacked.
Eric… thanks for that link! I knew every question was going to be about the ending. One guy even asked him if he expected to still have his job next week! 😳
I do disagree with his strategy. He said with 33 -36 seconds left they still had time to get a pass off, be in field goal range and call the timeout followed by the field goal. True but it was right after a sack, the team is flustered and there’s some chaos going on, I say just call the timeout and preserve the 33-36 seconds. And then sideline routes!
@Darin said:
After watching the clock dissolve into nothingness on the Bears with one timeout left my first thought was I would love to see the coaches post game comments. Anyone know what he said? I do think Caleb Williams should know better than to stand there for 5-7 seconds when everyone is set and in place before the ball is snapped. Yes he’s a rookie but he’s been a qb and team leader for a long time.
But its mainly on Eberflus he should have called the timeout as soon as Caleb got sacked.
hey D...
Me being an Ex-Chicagoean Gave Up On That Turd Team A Long Time Ago...
Now I watch Real Football...Yep that Red Team... 🟥🏈👍
Eberflus should have used his last timeout during his post game press conference. That was brutal. I’m all about poorly timed humor and that would have been epic! 😂
Reporter- do you expect to still have your job next week?
Eberflus- Timeout! Thank you…. Thank you! Oh I’ll be here all week ladies and gentlemen!
@Darin said:
After watching the clock dissolve into nothingness on the Bears with one timeout left my first thought was I would love to see the coaches post game comments. Anyone know what he said? I do think Caleb Williams should know better than to stand there for 5-7 seconds when everyone is set and in place before the ball is snapped. Yes he’s a rookie but he’s been a qb and team leader for a long time.
But its mainly on Eberflus he should have called the timeout as soon as Caleb got sacked.
hey D...
Me being an Ex-Chicagoean Gave Up On That Turd Team A Long Time Ago...
Now I watch Real Football...Yep that Red Team... 🟥🏈👍
Congrats GRP!
I’m glad you joined the party for this incredible Chiefs experience we’ve been going through for the last several years. It’s been amazing! 🥳
I'm still in utter disbelief at how Chicago completely snatched defeat out of the jaws of tying that game or at least trying to tie that game yesterday.
The Chicago coach is 50% to blame and Caleb Williams is 50% to blame and while we are at it everyone else on the Bears coaching staff has a part in it as well
How about Caleb taking the longest time to. get the ball snapped? Never mind the obvious of someone taking charge and being like "We need to take a TO"
Williams standing there with his hands at his side scanning the line before hurrying the center to snap the ball? it was surreal
Chicago made a complete idiot out of themselves top to bottom.
I have trouble assigning any blame to the rookie QB in that situation.
100%. the players had no idea what was going on because the head coach calling the shots went radio silent. when Caleb got sacked, he waited for 20 seconds on a play call from Eberflus and didn't hear a single word. at that point the entire offense was discombobulated and freaking out, and you saw what happened.
it's like being in battle and your commander disappears. you're waiting for a strategy, and when it doesn't come you get killed. and that's basically what happened in that game. Caleb balled out. 3 touchdowns in the 2nd half and was driving them from their own 1 yard line for the kill shot. except the man in charge who is supposed to put his troops in the best possible position to win did anything but. and he did it the week before. and he did it the week before that.
eotd it's just sports, but i've done a lot of reading and listening and there are Bears fans who are on the verge of snapping. i'm not to that point, i just want the man gone and i never want to hear his name again.
I can't get behind Williams not doing his part for that disaster, I've not played a down as a QB since playing flag football in 1997 but I can tell you that knowing that the clock was melting away and something was seriously about to go south I would have called a TO rather than standing there scanning the field with my hands at my side like Williams did as the clock was expiring in FG range to tie it
Coach is first to blame but Caleb could have saved his teammates by saying "Sorry I had to take charge and call a TO since my HC is incompetent"
last comment i'm making on that game (yes, you're welcome)
if you're a fan of a contending team not named the Detroit Lions, don't for a second think that you can't take them out in the playoffs or SB. my completely dysfunctional team had fewer total yards than the Lions did points yesterday and it was almost halftime. fast forward to the end of the fight and the Lions were begging for the bell to ring. if you had stripped those players of their jerseys in the 2nd half and you didn't know who they were, everyone would have said that the Bears are the Lions and the Lions are the Bears.
you can absolutely beat them. they are not invincible.
Caleb is the first overall pick of the NFL draft that was a 3 year starter in college. Theres no excuse that hes just a rookie. Hes done stuff like this several times in college.
The coaching decision is some what defensible if the coach just said I put my trust in our first overall pick QB do his thing, but he cant publicly say that because that would be throwing the QB under the bus. Williams can trow the coach under the bus though which he chose to do.
If Williams doesnt know how much time is left or how many timeouts he has thats on him. Clock management is the same at ever level. He didnt get tricked by a defense and throw a bad pick that rookies do, he just stood there like it was the start of the 3rd quarter.
He wasted so much time that the game ended on an incomplete pass. He absolutely deserves some of the blame and got his coach fired. He will get his next coach fired as well. Hes not the guy
Caleb is the first overall pick of the NFL draft that was a 3 year starter in college. Theres no excuse that hes just a rookie. Hes done stuff like this several times in college.
The coaching decision is some what defensible if the coach just said I put my trust in our first overall pick QB do his thing, but he cant publicly say that because that would be throwing the QB under the bus. Williams can trow the coach under the bus though which he chose to do.
If Williams doesnt know how much time is left or how many timeouts he has thats on him. Clock management is the same at ever level. He didnt get tricked by a defense and throw a bad pick that rookies do, he just stood there like it was the start of the 3rd quarter.
He wasted so much time that the game ended on an incomplete pass. He absolutely deserves some of the blame and got his coach fired. He will get his next coach fired as well. Hes not the guy
"the coaching decision is somewhat defensible"
and here, to the delight of everyone, comes mr. contrarian. you have no earthly idea what you're talking about, per usual.
please stop acting like you know about the intricacies of the Bears. the coach got himself fired, many times over. it just took weeks longer than it should have.
and as far as Caleb not being the guy, i guess you were in a food coma in the 2nd half. 3 touchdowns passes and a drive from his own 1-yard-line to Detroit's doorstep at the end of the game. he made the big, bad Lions his bitch. only one thing stopped him.
everyone on planet earth has been able to figure out what that "thing" was..........except you
Caleb is the first overall pick of the NFL draft that was a 3 year starter in college. Theres no excuse that hes just a rookie. Hes done stuff like this several times in college.
The coaching decision is some what defensible if the coach just said I put my trust in our first overall pick QB do his thing, but he cant publicly say that because that would be throwing the QB under the bus. Williams can trow the coach under the bus though which he chose to do.
If Williams doesnt know how much time is left or how many timeouts he has thats on him. Clock management is the same at ever level. He didnt get tricked by a defense and throw a bad pick that rookies do, he just stood there like it was the start of the 3rd quarter.
He wasted so much time that the game ended on an incomplete pass. He absolutely deserves some of the blame and got his coach fired. He will get his next coach fired as well. Hes not the guy
"the coaching decision is somewhat defensible"
and here, to the delight of everyone, comes mr. contrarian. you have no earthly idea what you're talking about, per usual.
please stop acting like you know about the intricacies of the Bears. the coach got himself fired, many times over. it just took weeks longer than it should have.
and as far as Caleb not being the guy, i guess you were in a food coma in the 2nd half. 3 touchdowns passes and a drive from his own 1-yard-line to Detroit's doorstep at the end of the game. he made the big, bad Lions his bitch. only one thing stopped him.
everyone on planet earth has been able to figure out what that "thing" was..........except you
Caleb got him fired. He was fired because they are losing when they should have been a playoff team this year and Caleb has been horrendous the majority of the year.
Their highest paid best WR hates him and walks off the field during plays. Caleb holds the ball to long making the line look worse than it is. Caleb mismanaged the clock on the last play
Of course the coach is going to be the scrape goat for the team picking the wrong QB. None of this stuff is anything new for Caleb and he 100% deserves part of the blame for their failures.
The next coach will get fired from him as well. One half of football doesnt erase the rest of the season.
I understand Bears fans arent happy because they could have had Daniels or Maye but at no point did I ever say he was a good coach. If you have evidence that the coach was the one that pushed hard for Caleb then sure he got himself fired. If you want to start your replies with personal attacks on me go for it, personal attacks are just a sign of knowing the other person made a good point and not having a substantive answer for it
Caleb is the first overall pick of the NFL draft that was a 3 year starter in college. Theres no excuse that hes just a rookie. Hes done stuff like this several times in college.
The coaching decision is some what defensible if the coach just said I put my trust in our first overall pick QB do his thing, but he cant publicly say that because that would be throwing the QB under the bus. Williams can trow the coach under the bus though which he chose to do.
If Williams doesnt know how much time is left or how many timeouts he has thats on him. Clock management is the same at ever level. He didnt get tricked by a defense and throw a bad pick that rookies do, he just stood there like it was the start of the 3rd quarter.
He wasted so much time that the game ended on an incomplete pass. He absolutely deserves some of the blame and got his coach fired. He will get his next coach fired as well. Hes not the guy
"the coaching decision is somewhat defensible"
and here, to the delight of everyone, comes mr. contrarian. you have no earthly idea what you're talking about, per usual.
please stop acting like you know about the intricacies of the Bears. the coach got himself fired, many times over. it just took weeks longer than it should have.
and as far as Caleb not being the guy, i guess you were in a food coma in the 2nd half. 3 touchdowns passes and a drive from his own 1-yard-line to Detroit's doorstep at the end of the game. he made the big, bad Lions his bitch. only one thing stopped him.
everyone on planet earth has been able to figure out what that "thing" was..........except you
Caleb got him fired. He was fired because they are losing when they should have been a playoff team this year and Caleb has been horrendous the majority of the year.
Their highest paid best WR hates him and walks off the field during plays. Caleb holds the ball to long making the line look worse than it is. Caleb mismanaged the clock on the last play
Of course the coach is going to be the scrape goat for the team picking the wrong QB. None of this stuff is anything new for Caleb and he 100% deserves part of the blame for their failures.
The next coach will get fired from him as well. One half of football doesnt erase the rest of the season.
I understand Bears fans arent happy because they could have had Daniels or Maye but at no point did I ever say he was a good coach. If you have evidence that the coach was the one that pushed hard for Caleb then sure he got himself fired. If you want to start your replies with personal attacks on me go for it, personal attacks are just a sign of knowing the other person made a good point and not having a substantive answer for it
i assure you that you're the only one who thinks you made a good point. just as you're the only one who would find a way to defend Eberflus. you have no idea what you're talking about, per usual.
Caleb is the guy, Eberflus got himself fired. and it's been more than one half. if they had almost any other head coach not named Matt Eberflus, they would have beaten the Packers, Vikings and Lions in consecutive weeks -- three teams you'll be watching when the regular season ends. know why that is? because Caleb and the entire offense is executing at a different level since the offensive coordinator was fired. did you know that? have you watched every snap since Waldron got canned and they promoted Thomas Brown? of course you haven't. you just love to wildly opine as if you're mr. omniscient. wait, is calling you mr. omniscient a personal attack too? lol
again, please stop acting like you know that intricacies of the Bears. lol
and one other thing, mr. omniscient. if Caleb is so horrendous, then please, by all means, explain how someone so horrendous could light up the supposed best team in the NFL like a Christmas tree to the tune of 3 touchdown passes and what would have been a game-winning or tying drive that started at his own 1 yard line in one half, but was halted only by the moron you choose to defend
please continue to chase your tail for everyone to see, it's a real treat
Caleb is the first overall pick of the NFL draft that was a 3 year starter in college. Theres no excuse that hes just a rookie. Hes done stuff like this several times in college.
The coaching decision is some what defensible if the coach just said I put my trust in our first overall pick QB do his thing, but he cant publicly say that because that would be throwing the QB under the bus. Williams can trow the coach under the bus though which he chose to do.
If Williams doesnt know how much time is left or how many timeouts he has thats on him. Clock management is the same at ever level. He didnt get tricked by a defense and throw a bad pick that rookies do, he just stood there like it was the start of the 3rd quarter.
He wasted so much time that the game ended on an incomplete pass. He absolutely deserves some of the blame and got his coach fired. He will get his next coach fired as well. Hes not the guy
"the coaching decision is somewhat defensible"
and here, to the delight of everyone, comes mr. contrarian. you have no earthly idea what you're talking about, per usual.
please stop acting like you know about the intricacies of the Bears. the coach got himself fired, many times over. it just took weeks longer than it should have.
and as far as Caleb not being the guy, i guess you were in a food coma in the 2nd half. 3 touchdowns passes and a drive from his own 1-yard-line to Detroit's doorstep at the end of the game. he made the big, bad Lions his bitch. only one thing stopped him.
everyone on planet earth has been able to figure out what that "thing" was..........except you
Caleb got him fired. He was fired because they are losing when they should have been a playoff team this year and Caleb has been horrendous the majority of the year.
Their highest paid best WR hates him and walks off the field during plays. Caleb holds the ball to long making the line look worse than it is. Caleb mismanaged the clock on the last play
Of course the coach is going to be the scrape goat for the team picking the wrong QB. None of this stuff is anything new for Caleb and he 100% deserves part of the blame for their failures.
The next coach will get fired from him as well. One half of football doesnt erase the rest of the season.
I understand Bears fans arent happy because they could have had Daniels or Maye but at no point did I ever say he was a good coach. If you have evidence that the coach was the one that pushed hard for Caleb then sure he got himself fired. If you want to start your replies with personal attacks on me go for it, personal attacks are just a sign of knowing the other person made a good point and not having a substantive answer for it
i assure you that you're the only one who thinks you made a good point. just as you're the only one who would find a way to defend Eberflus. you have no idea what you're talking about, per usual.
Caleb is the guy, Eberflus got himself fired. and it's been more than one half. if they had almost any other head coach not named Matt Eberflus, they would have beaten the Packers, Vikings and Lions in consecutive weeks -- three teams you'll be watching when the regular season ends. know why that is? because Caleb and the entire offense is executing at a different level since the offensive coordinator was fired. did you know that? have you watched every snap since Waldron got canned and they promoted Thomas Brown? of course you haven't. you just love to wildly opine as if you're mr. omniscient. wait, is calling you mr. omniscient a personal attack too? lol
again, please stop acting like you know that intricacies of the Bears. lol
No coach told Caleb to waste 25 seconds standing around to end a game on an incomplete pass short of the endzone..
I didnt say anything that wasnt said by others that they both share blame. The whole idea that the "Man:" needs to be baby sat and takes no responsibility is absurd. The"Man" would know what to do. He did this at Oklahoma where he got benched at one point for poor play, then he did things like this some times at Southern Cal which was a weak defensive league.
The Bears should have been a playoff team, they got worse and that wont change. They were in a special spot having the first overall pick when they werent a bad team and somehow got worse
I saw a meme video on the NFC North leading up to Bears-Packers…. Starship Troopers theme.
Lions, Vikings, Packers … I’m doing my part. Bears. Duh.
It was on that soultrap Tik-Tok which I don’t partake in - my wife showed me. I won’t destroy any more lives by sharing a link to that… plus if you’ve seen the movie it’s what’s playing in your head anyways.
On a serious note I have watched the last 3 Bears games given that they played the Packers, Vikings, and on Thanksgiving - after the dog show. Way to go pugs! But it has been a different team from what I saw in glimpses earlier in the season. The way they’ve played the last 3 weeks hasn’t been consistent from start to finish in those games but it looks like that team is gaining confidence and has been putting together some nice quarters on both sides of the ball.
my first thought was I would love to see the coaches post game comments. Anyone know what he said?
here it is, and it's arguably worse than what actually happened on the field
i like what we did there........i think we handled it the right way
oh my Lord please make this guy disappear
Galaxy….. thanks! I didn’t notice your post last night. Just getting caught up on today’s posts. Missed the Chiefs game so I’m watching it on nfl network right now. I heard there was quite a finish to it, I’m sure Steve has plenty to say about it! 😂😂
@galaxy27 said:
just want to remind you guys that that's the first time the Bears have fired a coach midseason in the history of the franchise
adieu Matt
And thanks for that news galaxy… I had not heard that, been out of the loop all day. I think it’s the right thing to do… that was absolute lack of leadership from Eberflus. Hope you guys get a good coach!
@BillJones said:
The Lions are trying hard to lose a game they should be winning. A dumb unsportsmanlike penalty when a Detroit player tossed the ball to a Chicago player for no reason.
FWIW or wasn't no reason. The Chicago player tripped Williams as he went by.
@galaxy27 said:
and one other thing, mr. omniscient. if Caleb is so horrendous, then please, by all means, explain how someone so horrendous could light up the supposed best team in the NFL like a Christmas tree to the tune of 3 touchdown passes
It certainly helped Williams that the Lions were having defensive guys going down injured on just about every play in the second half. He played great - final play not withstanding - but the Lions were playing a ton of backups.
As for the final sequence - which doesn't happen without the awful 4th & 14 pass interference call - I'd say the blame is 80/20 coach/QB for blame. The previous play was a sack so the offense is a mess. Eberflus took forever to get in the next play and then receivers took forever getting set. None of that is the fault of Williams. Still, he should've recognized the mess, though, and called the TO. No excuses for inexperience given his college background. But so should have Eberflus. Supposedly, he'd chided Williams for calling a timeout earlier so he'd made Williams reluctant to call one. He also should've recognized the mess and called the TO. End of the day, the buck stops with him and a well-coached team doesn't do that stuff.
Eberflus blaming Williams after the game while Keenan Allen was saying "the players did enough to win" sealed his fate.
As a Lions fan, that game definitely could've been a loss. But it wasn't and I'll take it.
@galaxy27 said:
just want to remind you guys that that's the first time the Bears have fired a coach midseason in the history of the franchise
adieu Matt
And thanks for that news galaxy… I had not heard that, been out of the loop all day. I think it’s the right thing to do… that was absolute lack of leadership from Eberflus. Hope you guys get a good coach!
I'd say the blame is 80/20 coach/QB for blame. The previous play was a sack so the offense is a mess. Eberflus took forever to get in the next play and then receivers took forever getting set. None of that is the fault of Williams. Still, he should've recognized the mess, though, and called the TO. No excuses for inexperience given his college background. But so should have Eberflus. Supposedly, he'd chided Williams for calling a timeout earlier so he'd made Williams reluctant to call one. He also should've recognized the mess and called the TO. End of the day, the buck stops with him and a well-coached team doesn't do that stuff.
this is a well-thought-out and effectively executed opinion. and i agree. as a Bears fan, i just never allowed myself to get to the point of allocating blame to the players because it never should have reached that point to begin with. Eberflus is the head coach. not the foot coach, or the knee coach, or the elbow coach.........the head coach. what was going on in his head controlled the offense. he called the shots, he called the plays. his role was to put his players in the best possible position to win a game with the decisions he made. in this unfortunate case and many others, nothing was going on in his head.
the moment Caleb got sacked, that final timeout should have been extinguished immediately. not only would it have done the obvious -- stop the clock -- but it would have given the entire offense time to regroup. it also would have given the head coach extra time to dial up a play to move them closer to the goal post and increase the likelihood of Santos putting the ball through it. in other words, it was a vital play coming up. under no circumstance do you allow the clock to continue to run for no apparent reason. what's the end game if you do that? seriously, i still would like to know what was transpiring in that dense dome of his.
it boils down to Eberflus being grossly incompetent, and that's why the Bears' brass was forced to do something unprecedented. but as a Bears fan who watches every snap of every game, i'm here to tell you that that was not a one-off with him. this may sound hyperbolic but i stand by it: if the Bears had had any other HC at the helm this season, they'd be closer to 7-5 than 4-8 right now. Eberflus' record in one-score games is so bad that i don't even want to post it. he had no business being the brains of my team, but truthfully my franchise is to blame because they have a history of hiring guys like him.
my sincere wish is that we hand Ben Johnson a blank check. bring him in, allow him to develop Caleb and turn him into the star he's showing signs of being. and hopefully generate a downtown parade at some point.
edit: forgot to include this. heard this mind-blowing stat yesterday. since the SB era, there have been roughly 1500 instances of a team driving to tie or win at the end of a game, were already in FG range, and had a timeout at their disposal. the Bears were the very first team to neither attempt a FG nor use their last timeout in such a situation. think about that. that's how egregious that faux pas was. that's grounds for being dragged off the field by your ear, let alone being canned by lunch the next day.
yet Basebal Eberflus graces everyone with his presence and blames Caleb for what happened because of things he did at Southern Cal and Oklahoma
@BillJones said:
The Lions are trying hard to lose a game they should be winning. A dumb unsportsmanlike penalty when a Detroit player tossed the ball to a Chicago player for no reason.
FWIW or wasn't no reason. The Chicago player tripped Williams as he went by.
Still a terrible penalty.
He still should have ignored it. It darn near cost Detroit the game. If the Chicago coach had not been so stupid in the last 30 seconds, it probably would have cost the Lions the game. That coach is now unemployed.
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Ahead of the large snow storm officials advise people in Buffalo to stay off roads through Monday. But definitely get to the game. Quite the contradiction.
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yet Basebal Eberflus graces everyone with his presence and blames Caleb for what happened because of things he did at Southern Cal and Oklahoma
Literally said the same things others have said that they both deserve blame.
Caleb isnt a child. He was the number 1 pick on a team that was lucky to have the number 1 pick from the Panthers overpaying and then the Chargers even giving them Allen for basically nothing yet they manged to become a worse team
What do you think would have happened if Mahomes/Burrow/Herbert/Allen etc was back there. They wouldnt have stood around for 30 seconds. They would have clocked the ball or used the time out. Caleb did neither but the "guy" s supposed to be someone that needs to be told what to do every second?
Pointing out the blame that Caleb deserves in getting his coach fired is not a defense of the coach
I believe it was the comment you made saying that the coaching decisions were somewhat defensible.
That’s just a tough position for some people to agree with. I think the responsibility resides with the coach here. Further I would say that this doesn’t mean that Williams couldn’t or shouldn’t have done something. I don’t know all of the details here and whether what’s been reported to be true. I not convinced that it matters.
Even letting it marinate for a couple days I still hold Williams accountable for not calling a TO but without question it's definitely more on the former HC
I said 50/50 blame and now I'll say it's 60/40
I respect everyone here and am not trying to pick sides in this argument I'm just stating my opinion
I can say with absolute certainty that if I were Caleb Williams I'd have said screw this and called the TO
I bet if Williams did that the press would be hailing him a hero honestly but it might have saved Eberfools job so maybe Williams made the right decision to ride with his idiot coach setting him up to fail lol
@BLUEJAYWAY said:
Ahead of the large snow storm officials advise people in Buffalo to stay off roads through Monday. But definitely get to the game. Quite the contradiction.
if you go back and watch after the sack, all of the Bears are moving in slow motion. no sense of urgency whatsoever. taking their sweet time getting back. Caleb was very demonstrative and motioning for everyone to get moving. but the reason they were tiptoeing through the tulips is because they were waiting for Eberflus to call a timeout, which everyone who had a pulse expected to happen. DJ Moore even said after the game, "I don't know why we didn't call timeout."
i'll be honest, i probably wouldn't have been hauling ass either. why would i if the sensible thing to do is call a timeout in that situation? next thing you know, tick, tick, tick. no timeout. tick, tick, tick. no timeout. wtf? then everyone stopped to think and forgot to start again. can you blame them?
so to recap, could all 11 guys on offense have handled that situation better? they could have. bet let's be honest here, should they have been put in that position to begin with? no, they shouldn't have. imagine knowing what the proper thing to do is, only for your superior who calls the shots to do what seems so incredibly unnatural. does it not stand to reason that it would then turn into an immensely chaotic situation out there?
Eberflus created said chaos, and that's why he deserves the lion's share of the blame. and is looking for a new job now.
@galaxy27 said:
if you go back and watch after the sack, all of the Bears are moving in slow motion. no sense of urgency whatsoever. taking their sweet time getting back. Caleb was very demonstrative and motioning for everyone to get moving. but the reason they were tiptoeing through the tulips is because they were waiting for Eberflus to call a timeout, which everyone who had a pulse expected to happen. DJ Moore even said after the game, "I don't know why we didn't call timeout."
i'll be honest, i probably wouldn't have been hauling ass either. why would i if the sensible thing to do is call a timeout in that situation? next thing you know, tick, tick, tick. no timeout. tick, tick, tick. no timeout. wtf? then everyone stopped to think and forgot to start again. can you blame them?
so to recap, could all 11 guys on offense have handled that situation better? they could have. bet let's be honest here, should they have been put in that position to begin with? no, they shouldn't have. imagine knowing what the proper thing to do is, only for your superior who calls the shots to do what seems so incredibly unnatural. does it not stand to reason that it would then turn into an immensely chaotic situation out there?
Eberflus created said chaos, and that's why he deserves the lion's share of the blame. and is looking for a new job now.
Agree with everything you said, none of those guys should have been in that situation to begin with for sure
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This may not be popular but the worst thing about thanksgiving football now is all the Madden turduckin crap.
Okay fellas he’s gone now and has been for several years just let it go and let’s move on.
Lions played down to their opposition. Seems big favorites do this alot in all sports.
here it is, and it's arguably worse than what actually happened on the field
i like what we did there........i think we handled it the right way
oh my Lord please make this guy disappear
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
https://www.chicagobears.com/video/matt-eberflus-postgame-media-availability-press-conference-lions-2024-week-13-thanksgiving
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They both put up 7 in the 3rd quarter and then the Lions just forgot a 4th quarter existed to make it close.
Eberflus isnt a great coach but hes going to take more blame than he should.
Calab could have called the timeout after that play and took over 20 seconds standing around like the quarter just started.
Bad coaching, but certainly bad QBing as well. Take the time out or spike the ball dont stand back there letting the clock run forever
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Eric… thanks for that link! I knew every question was going to be about the ending. One guy even asked him if he expected to still have his job next week! 😳
I do disagree with his strategy. He said with 33 -36 seconds left they still had time to get a pass off, be in field goal range and call the timeout followed by the field goal. True but it was right after a sack, the team is flustered and there’s some chaos going on, I say just call the timeout and preserve the 33-36 seconds. And then sideline routes!
Eberflus=Everflub
hey D...
Me being an Ex-Chicagoean Gave Up On That Turd Team A Long Time Ago...
Now I watch Real Football...Yep that Red Team... 🟥🏈👍
Eberflus should have used his last timeout during his post game press conference. That was brutal. I’m all about poorly timed humor and that would have been epic! 😂
Reporter- do you expect to still have your job next week?
Eberflus- Timeout! Thank you…. Thank you! Oh I’ll be here all week ladies and gentlemen!
Congrats GRP!
I’m glad you joined the party for this incredible Chiefs experience we’ve been going through for the last several years. It’s been amazing! 🥳
the Bears never fire an HC during the season, but rumors are swirling that that may change
third week in a row that Eberflus' butt clinched at the end of a game
and incredulously the guy doubled down after the game 😂
i think i'm going to go to the mall this weekend, sit in Santa's lap and ask for a normal head coach for Christmas
some epic quotes after the game:
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I'm still in utter disbelief at how Chicago completely snatched defeat out of the jaws of tying that game or at least trying to tie that game yesterday.
The Chicago coach is 50% to blame and Caleb Williams is 50% to blame and while we are at it everyone else on the Bears coaching staff has a part in it as well
How about Caleb taking the longest time to. get the ball snapped? Never mind the obvious of someone taking charge and being like "We need to take a TO"
Williams standing there with his hands at his side scanning the line before hurrying the center to snap the ball? it was surreal
Chicago made a complete idiot out of themselves top to bottom.
Inexcusable
I have trouble assigning any blame to the rookie QB in that situation.
100%. the players had no idea what was going on because the head coach calling the shots went radio silent. when Caleb got sacked, he waited for 20 seconds on a play call from Eberflus and didn't hear a single word. at that point the entire offense was discombobulated and freaking out, and you saw what happened.
it's like being in battle and your commander disappears. you're waiting for a strategy, and when it doesn't come you get killed. and that's basically what happened in that game. Caleb balled out. 3 touchdowns in the 2nd half and was driving them from their own 1 yard line for the kill shot. except the man in charge who is supposed to put his troops in the best possible position to win did anything but. and he did it the week before. and he did it the week before that.
eotd it's just sports, but i've done a lot of reading and listening and there are Bears fans who are on the verge of snapping. i'm not to that point, i just want the man gone and i never want to hear his name again.
here's what Caleb said after the game
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I can't get behind Williams not doing his part for that disaster, I've not played a down as a QB since playing flag football in 1997 but I can tell you that knowing that the clock was melting away and something was seriously about to go south I would have called a TO rather than standing there scanning the field with my hands at my side like Williams did as the clock was expiring in FG range to tie it
Coach is first to blame but Caleb could have saved his teammates by saying "Sorry I had to take charge and call a TO since my HC is incompetent"
Adios Eberflus.
Enjoy the go.
just want to remind you guys that that's the first time the Bears have fired a coach midseason in the history of the franchise
adieu Matt
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/bears-appear-to-have-made-decision-on-head-coach-matt-eberflus-after-embarrassing-loss
Probably had something to do with him thinking the sequence of events it wasn't all that crazy lol
Good for the Bears
last comment i'm making on that game (yes, you're welcome)
if you're a fan of a contending team not named the Detroit Lions, don't for a second think that you can't take them out in the playoffs or SB. my completely dysfunctional team had fewer total yards than the Lions did points yesterday and it was almost halftime. fast forward to the end of the fight and the Lions were begging for the bell to ring. if you had stripped those players of their jerseys in the 2nd half and you didn't know who they were, everyone would have said that the Bears are the Lions and the Lions are the Bears.
you can absolutely beat them. they are not invincible.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
What a shocker! 😂
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Caleb is the first overall pick of the NFL draft that was a 3 year starter in college. Theres no excuse that hes just a rookie. Hes done stuff like this several times in college.
The coaching decision is some what defensible if the coach just said I put my trust in our first overall pick QB do his thing, but he cant publicly say that because that would be throwing the QB under the bus. Williams can trow the coach under the bus though which he chose to do.
If Williams doesnt know how much time is left or how many timeouts he has thats on him. Clock management is the same at ever level. He didnt get tricked by a defense and throw a bad pick that rookies do, he just stood there like it was the start of the 3rd quarter.
He wasted so much time that the game ended on an incomplete pass. He absolutely deserves some of the blame and got his coach fired. He will get his next coach fired as well. Hes not the guy
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"the coaching decision is somewhat defensible"
and here, to the delight of everyone, comes mr. contrarian. you have no earthly idea what you're talking about, per usual.
please stop acting like you know about the intricacies of the Bears. the coach got himself fired, many times over. it just took weeks longer than it should have.
and as far as Caleb not being the guy, i guess you were in a food coma in the 2nd half. 3 touchdowns passes and a drive from his own 1-yard-line to Detroit's doorstep at the end of the game. he made the big, bad Lions his bitch. only one thing stopped him.
everyone on planet earth has been able to figure out what that "thing" was..........except you
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Caleb got him fired. He was fired because they are losing when they should have been a playoff team this year and Caleb has been horrendous the majority of the year.
Their highest paid best WR hates him and walks off the field during plays. Caleb holds the ball to long making the line look worse than it is. Caleb mismanaged the clock on the last play
Of course the coach is going to be the scrape goat for the team picking the wrong QB. None of this stuff is anything new for Caleb and he 100% deserves part of the blame for their failures.
The next coach will get fired from him as well. One half of football doesnt erase the rest of the season.
I understand Bears fans arent happy because they could have had Daniels or Maye but at no point did I ever say he was a good coach. If you have evidence that the coach was the one that pushed hard for Caleb then sure he got himself fired. If you want to start your replies with personal attacks on me go for it, personal attacks are just a sign of knowing the other person made a good point and not having a substantive answer for it
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i assure you that you're the only one who thinks you made a good point. just as you're the only one who would find a way to defend Eberflus. you have no idea what you're talking about, per usual.
Caleb is the guy, Eberflus got himself fired. and it's been more than one half. if they had almost any other head coach not named Matt Eberflus, they would have beaten the Packers, Vikings and Lions in consecutive weeks -- three teams you'll be watching when the regular season ends. know why that is? because Caleb and the entire offense is executing at a different level since the offensive coordinator was fired. did you know that? have you watched every snap since Waldron got canned and they promoted Thomas Brown? of course you haven't. you just love to wildly opine as if you're mr. omniscient. wait, is calling you mr. omniscient a personal attack too? lol
again, please stop acting like you know that intricacies of the Bears. lol
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
and one other thing, mr. omniscient. if Caleb is so horrendous, then please, by all means, explain how someone so horrendous could light up the supposed best team in the NFL like a Christmas tree to the tune of 3 touchdown passes and what would have been a game-winning or tying drive that started at his own 1 yard line in one half, but was halted only by the moron you choose to defend
please continue to chase your tail for everyone to see, it's a real treat
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
No coach told Caleb to waste 25 seconds standing around to end a game on an incomplete pass short of the endzone..
I didnt say anything that wasnt said by others that they both share blame. The whole idea that the "Man:" needs to be baby sat and takes no responsibility is absurd. The"Man" would know what to do. He did this at Oklahoma where he got benched at one point for poor play, then he did things like this some times at Southern Cal which was a weak defensive league.
The Bears should have been a playoff team, they got worse and that wont change. They were in a special spot having the first overall pick when they werent a bad team and somehow got worse
A coaching change isnt going to change it
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Interesting take. Like the college football angle here. I was confused how an organizational hierarchy worked but it’s clear now.
This weekend was a study in ineptitude and it’s only Friday
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
So every other team in the NFC Norris Division will make the playoffs and Duh Bears are......the White Sox.
Enjoy the go.
I saw a meme video on the NFC North leading up to Bears-Packers…. Starship Troopers theme.
Lions, Vikings, Packers … I’m doing my part. Bears. Duh.
It was on that soultrap Tik-Tok which I don’t partake in - my wife showed me. I won’t destroy any more lives by sharing a link to that… plus if you’ve seen the movie it’s what’s playing in your head anyways.
On a serious note I have watched the last 3 Bears games given that they played the Packers, Vikings, and on Thanksgiving - after the dog show. Way to go pugs! But it has been a different team from what I saw in glimpses earlier in the season. The way they’ve played the last 3 weeks hasn’t been consistent from start to finish in those games but it looks like that team is gaining confidence and has been putting together some nice quarters on both sides of the ball.
Galaxy….. thanks! I didn’t notice your post last night. Just getting caught up on today’s posts. Missed the Chiefs game so I’m watching it on nfl network right now. I heard there was quite a finish to it, I’m sure Steve has plenty to say about it! 😂😂
And thanks for that news galaxy… I had not heard that, been out of the loop all day. I think it’s the right thing to do… that was absolute lack of leadership from Eberflus. Hope you guys get a good coach!
FWIW or wasn't no reason. The Chicago player tripped Williams as he went by.
Still a terrible penalty.
It certainly helped Williams that the Lions were having defensive guys going down injured on just about every play in the second half. He played great - final play not withstanding - but the Lions were playing a ton of backups.
As for the final sequence - which doesn't happen without the awful 4th & 14 pass interference call - I'd say the blame is 80/20 coach/QB for blame. The previous play was a sack so the offense is a mess. Eberflus took forever to get in the next play and then receivers took forever getting set. None of that is the fault of Williams. Still, he should've recognized the mess, though, and called the TO. No excuses for inexperience given his college background. But so should have Eberflus. Supposedly, he'd chided Williams for calling a timeout earlier so he'd made Williams reluctant to call one. He also should've recognized the mess and called the TO. End of the day, the buck stops with him and a well-coached team doesn't do that stuff.
Eberflus blaming Williams after the game while Keenan Allen was saying "the players did enough to win" sealed his fate.
As a Lions fan, that game definitely could've been a loss. But it wasn't and I'll take it.
Am looking forward to the Sunday night SF/Buffalo snow bowl game. Predicted snowfall is 23 1/2 inches of snow. Up to 6 feet in outlying areas
this is a well-thought-out and effectively executed opinion. and i agree. as a Bears fan, i just never allowed myself to get to the point of allocating blame to the players because it never should have reached that point to begin with. Eberflus is the head coach. not the foot coach, or the knee coach, or the elbow coach.........the head coach. what was going on in his head controlled the offense. he called the shots, he called the plays. his role was to put his players in the best possible position to win a game with the decisions he made. in this unfortunate case and many others, nothing was going on in his head.
the moment Caleb got sacked, that final timeout should have been extinguished immediately. not only would it have done the obvious -- stop the clock -- but it would have given the entire offense time to regroup. it also would have given the head coach extra time to dial up a play to move them closer to the goal post and increase the likelihood of Santos putting the ball through it. in other words, it was a vital play coming up. under no circumstance do you allow the clock to continue to run for no apparent reason. what's the end game if you do that? seriously, i still would like to know what was transpiring in that dense dome of his.
it boils down to Eberflus being grossly incompetent, and that's why the Bears' brass was forced to do something unprecedented. but as a Bears fan who watches every snap of every game, i'm here to tell you that that was not a one-off with him. this may sound hyperbolic but i stand by it: if the Bears had had any other HC at the helm this season, they'd be closer to 7-5 than 4-8 right now. Eberflus' record in one-score games is so bad that i don't even want to post it. he had no business being the brains of my team, but truthfully my franchise is to blame because they have a history of hiring guys like him.
my sincere wish is that we hand Ben Johnson a blank check. bring him in, allow him to develop Caleb and turn him into the star he's showing signs of being. and hopefully generate a downtown parade at some point.
edit: forgot to include this. heard this mind-blowing stat yesterday. since the SB era, there have been roughly 1500 instances of a team driving to tie or win at the end of a game, were already in FG range, and had a timeout at their disposal. the Bears were the very first team to neither attempt a FG nor use their last timeout in such a situation. think about that. that's how egregious that faux pas was. that's grounds for being dragged off the field by your ear, let alone being canned by lunch the next day.
yet Basebal Eberflus graces everyone with his presence and blames Caleb for what happened because of things he did at Southern Cal and Oklahoma
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
He still should have ignored it. It darn near cost Detroit the game. If the Chicago coach had not been so stupid in the last 30 seconds, it probably would have cost the Lions the game. That coach is now unemployed.
Ahead of the large snow storm officials advise people in Buffalo to stay off roads through Monday. But definitely get to the game. Quite the contradiction.
Literally said the same things others have said that they both deserve blame.
Caleb isnt a child. He was the number 1 pick on a team that was lucky to have the number 1 pick from the Panthers overpaying and then the Chargers even giving them Allen for basically nothing yet they manged to become a worse team
What do you think would have happened if Mahomes/Burrow/Herbert/Allen etc was back there. They wouldnt have stood around for 30 seconds. They would have clocked the ball or used the time out. Caleb did neither but the "guy" s supposed to be someone that needs to be told what to do every second?
Pointing out the blame that Caleb deserves in getting his coach fired is not a defense of the coach
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
I believe it was the comment you made saying that the coaching decisions were somewhat defensible.
That’s just a tough position for some people to agree with. I think the responsibility resides with the coach here. Further I would say that this doesn’t mean that Williams couldn’t or shouldn’t have done something. I don’t know all of the details here and whether what’s been reported to be true. I not convinced that it matters.
Even letting it marinate for a couple days I still hold Williams accountable for not calling a TO but without question it's definitely more on the former HC
I said 50/50 blame and now I'll say it's 60/40
I respect everyone here and am not trying to pick sides in this argument I'm just stating my opinion
I can say with absolute certainty that if I were Caleb Williams I'd have said screw this and called the TO
I bet if Williams did that the press would be hailing him a hero honestly but it might have saved Eberfools job so maybe Williams made the right decision to ride with his idiot coach setting him up to fail lol
Got to do what's important lol
if you go back and watch after the sack, all of the Bears are moving in slow motion. no sense of urgency whatsoever. taking their sweet time getting back. Caleb was very demonstrative and motioning for everyone to get moving. but the reason they were tiptoeing through the tulips is because they were waiting for Eberflus to call a timeout, which everyone who had a pulse expected to happen. DJ Moore even said after the game, "I don't know why we didn't call timeout."
i'll be honest, i probably wouldn't have been hauling ass either. why would i if the sensible thing to do is call a timeout in that situation? next thing you know, tick, tick, tick. no timeout. tick, tick, tick. no timeout. wtf? then everyone stopped to think and forgot to start again. can you blame them?
so to recap, could all 11 guys on offense have handled that situation better? they could have. bet let's be honest here, should they have been put in that position to begin with? no, they shouldn't have. imagine knowing what the proper thing to do is, only for your superior who calls the shots to do what seems so incredibly unnatural. does it not stand to reason that it would then turn into an immensely chaotic situation out there?
Eberflus created said chaos, and that's why he deserves the lion's share of the blame. and is looking for a new job now.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Agree with everything you said, none of those guys should have been in that situation to begin with for sure
Chaotic situation is an understatement lol
btw Jaylon Johnson almost kicked Eberflus' ass in the locker room after the game
unless you follow the Bears and have seen firsthand how every game has played out, you truly don't know how bad things had gotten
so when that happened on Thanksgiving, it was either get rid of him or there was going to be a mutiny
https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-rumors-jaylon-johnson-went-crazy-matt-eberflus-loss-lions
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
1979 Chicago Bears at Philadelphia Eagles Playoff Game...
That's when I became Re-formed and Seen The Light after that one...
Would love to see the locker room vid lol
you and me both amigo 😅
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet