My reasoning was only that I have seen more none sticker cards later bumping or change vs never a sticker card bumping later. And then get stickers. But someone said they have had it happen. Im only talking about the sticker and not everything PWCC sells. Just my personal thought and observation. I also agree who cares, do my due diligence and I avoid certain cards as well. For me one is the PWCC HE Stickers.
@handyman said:
My reasoning was only that I have seen more none sticker cards later bumping or change vs never a sticker card bumping later. But someone said they have had it happen. Im only talking about the sticker and not everything PWCC sells. Just my personal thought and observation. I also agree who cares, do my due diligence and I avoid certain cards as well. For me one is the PWCC HE Stickers.
i stayed away from the pwcc stickers primarily because a diamond in the rough had been outed. they basically were mass signals pointing to a possible bumpable card. i liked finding those myself versus having a bright blinking sign flashing “hot donuts now” directing traffic to my targets. of course cant blame them. it was a brilliant marketing move that did work. the positive byproduct of that was pretty much ensuring that the possibility of purchasing an altered card went down significantly along with most pwcc stuff after the mantle 4 outing.
I only bought these two, plus the Ryan RC. The SGC Ryan rookie was actually about 20% below PSA 7’s in the same auction. I think I may have paid 10% or so premium on these, but probably would have paid the premium for the centering regardless of stickers. Agree with Blurry - most times the stickers made me think bidding would be too contested. Later in the game, there were many times when non-stickered cards looked nicer than stickered in his same auctions. I think we all know why that was the case now….
@UFFDAH said: @80sOPC - would you trust PSA if they said a Moser or otherwise altered identified card was not altered and they stand behind the card as PSA correctly graded?
I personally would not. If I knew the provenance of a card went through Moser no-one could remove my opinion that it was likely trimmed. The body of evidence is strong. I would just plain stay away.
@UFFDAH said: @80sOPC - I don't talk to Brent about cards anymore. I did buy a rare card from PWCC last night though that is Graded by PSA. I primarily collect PSA cards and BBCE unopened and rely on them to be accurate as I am not an expert in their areas.
Not if there were before and after pictures that clearly showed a card had been trimmed. I think some cards that are being declared as good are clearly altered.
@UFFDAH said: @80sOPC - would you trust PSA if they said a Moser or otherwise altered identified card was not altered and they stand behind the card as PSA correctly graded?
@UFFDAH said: @80sOPC - would you trust PSA if they said a Moser or otherwise altered identified card was not altered and they stand behind the card as PSA correctly graded?
I personally would not. If I knew the provenance of a card went through Moser no-one could remove my opinion that it was likely trimmed. The body of evidence is strong. I would just plain stay away.
and this is a big focal point that kinda got swept under the rug. once the gig was up and the thread started to get pulled, probably the biggest thing that irked me was the pwcc press release/statements attempt to muddy the water on just what is and isnt acceptable in terms of altering. while not agreed upon by everybody, but an overwhelming majority of post-war collectors, once the the terms like "restoration" and "preserving the cards integrity" even entered the conversation, i knew things were gonna get dark.
first, i am of the opinion that there is no restoring post war cards. pre-war, imo, has a little leeway. different thread, differnt time. however, like michael jordan would say, "i took that (statement) personally". they knew better, but more importantly, just how dumb do you think most of us are, bud? naturally i didnt expect them to come out and say "yep, we did it. been doing it for years" but the last thing i expected was a double down & attempt to move the hobby's opinion and compare it to the art or classic card world. and if you read between the lines, that excuse is basically saying "yep, we did it. we are of the opinion that we are doing collectors a service NOT a disservice by restoring and preserving these cardboard pieces of art". get outta here w. that crap. it woulda been better to not say anything in my opinion. shilling, safety bidding or whatever ya wanna call it, sure. but altering and then expecting that lethargic reason to be accepted when caught red handed? nah. the sad thing is while they were a hobby giant and ultimately became a useful tool within the tool that is ebay. they were the biggest game in town when it came to ebay and sportscards. for the most part they did provide a vast majority with a tremendous service. and while a lot of folks hate ebay, they still use them. and they apparently stalked and took a hit out on somebody. altering cards is one thing, but attempted murder by ebay's top brass? that's a whole new ball league there. in the end it is what it is. im torn on the subject. any titan of industry has a custodian closet full of dirty mops.
@UFFDAH said: @80sOPC - would you trust PSA if they said a Moser or otherwise altered identified card was not altered and they stand behind the card as PSA correctly graded?
@UFFDAH said: @80sOPC - would you trust PSA if they said a Moser or otherwise altered identified card was not altered and they stand behind the card as PSA correctly graded?
I personally would not. If I knew the provenance of a card went through Moser no-one could remove my opinion that it was likely trimmed. The body of evidence is strong. I would just plain stay away.
and this is a big focal point that kinda got swept under the rug. once the gig was up and the thread started to get pulled, probably the biggest thing that irked me was the pwcc press release/statements attempt to muddy the water on just what is and isnt acceptable in terms of altering. while not agreed upon by everybody, but an overwhelming majority of post-war collectors, once the the terms like "restoration" and "preserving the cards integrity" even entered the conversation, i knew things were gonna get dark.
first, i am of the opinion that there is no restoring post war cards. pre-war, imo, has a little leeway. different thread, differnt time. however, like michael jordan would say, "i took that (statement) personally". they knew better, but more importantly, just how dumb do you think most of us are, bud? naturally i didnt expect them to come out and say "yep, we did it. been doing it for years" but the last thing i expected was a double down & attempt to move the hobby's opinion and compare it to the art or classic card world. and if you read between the lines, that excuse is basically saying "yep, we did it. we are of the opinion that we are doing collectors a service NOT a disservice by restoring and preserving these cardboard pieces of art". get outta here w. that crap. it woulda been better to not say anything in my opinion. shilling, safety bidding or whatever ya wanna call it, sure. but altering and then expecting that lethargic reason to be accepted when caught red handed? nah. the sad thing is while they were a hobby giant and ultimately became a useful tool within the tool that is ebay. they were the biggest game in town when it came to ebay and sportscards. for the most part they did provide a vast majority with a tremendous service. and while a lot of folks hate ebay, they still use them. and they apparently stalked and took a hit out on somebody. altering cards is one thing, but attempted murder by ebay's top brass? that's a whole new ball league there. in the end it is what it is. im torn on the subject. any titan of industry has a custodian closet full of dirty mops.
I heard of the horrible/unforgivable stalking; but the attempted murder....What ??
From Fortune - "The then-CEO of eBay, Devin Wenig, didn’t like the reports in a husband-and-wife newsletter aimed at people who sell wares on eBay. Wenig sent texts documenting his ire to his head of communications ("Take her down"), who egged on the company’s head of security ("I want to see ashes"), a drunk-on-power operative charged with cooking up sophomoric stunts to frighten the couple ("I've been ordered to find and destroy")."
While attempted murder may be harsh, I don't think that it is completely out of the realm of possibility considering how ebay's Jason Bourne reacted to the direct orders "Take her down" and "I want to see ashes". The Steiners look to be senior citizens and this kind of frightening stress is not good for people in that age group. They thought someone was trying to kill them. Think about how your grand parents would respond if they thought someone was trying to kill them.
@ndleo said:
From Fortune - "The then-CEO of eBay, Devin Wenig, didn’t like the reports in a husband-and-wife newsletter aimed at people who sell wares on eBay. Wenig sent texts documenting his ire to his head of communications ("Take her down"), who egged on the company’s head of security ("I want to see ashes"), a drunk-on-power operative charged with cooking up sophomoric stunts to frighten the couple ("I've been ordered to find and destroy")."
While attempted murder may be harsh, I don't think that it is completely out of the realm of possibility considering how ebay's Jason Bourne reacted to the direct orders "Take her down" and "I want to see ashes". The Steiners look to be senior citizens and this kind of frightening stress is not good for people in that age group. They thought someone was trying to kill them. Think about how your grand parents would respond if they thought someone was trying to kill them.
basically this. and maybe attempted murder was not the right terminology but i thought i read something about a possible “hit” or “murder for hire” though. maybe it was just talks, but still…
pwcc might have turned trimmings to ashes, but not people. and especially not someones grandparents. 😉
this gunna get good. kinda makes my earlier comments ring true…
@blurryface said:
i do wonder if goldins interests, ownership and new vault had any input or sway on this though. that is something i could see certain interests helping lobby for.
the enemy of my enemy is my friend type stuff. who knows though? there certainly seems to be strong interests in a couple different investment groups gobbling up anything and everything collectible & hobby related. and once those interests are gobbled up and their arsenals secure, knocking out competitors only seems like the next logical step. sun tzu 101. just rambling out loud…
Ok guys, this appears to be real hobby content and I am sure you will discuss it. I ask that you just please refrain from throwing around wild speculation and accusation. I'll have to do some clean up if that happens. Thanks, Todd
Todd Tobias - Grateful Collector - I focus on autographed American Football League sets, Fleer & Topps, 1960-1969, and lacrosse cards.
I love when Todd gets all froggy. You can tell he has kids.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Just trying to walk the line between allowing you all to discuss a situation and doing my job. I figure it's easier to try and squash a situation before it arises then to go back and try to clean up a mess.
Todd Tobias - Grateful Collector - I focus on autographed American Football League sets, Fleer & Topps, 1960-1969, and lacrosse cards.
Dear anyone considering taking up Goldin on the offer of picking up from PWCC Vault:
Any time instructions include emailing a specific individual (not even a group email) to confirm a selection already made through a system application, it’s indicative of a less than optimal control environment.
Sincerely,
A guy who wouldn’t hit curveballs and thus had to get a career that required consideration of optimal control environments.
@professorpuck said:
the jail bars are actually pretty dope
They always look that way. Dope and gansta', until you're on the inside looking out and out of options.
@AFLfan said:
Just trying to walk the line between allowing you all to discuss a situation and doing my job. I figure it's easier to try and **SQUASH a situation before it arises then to go back and try to clean up a mess.
it's "quash" (put an end to; put a stop to, etc., etc.)
But whether you're quashing or squashing, we appreciate it, though a bunch of malcontents and eccentrics we may appear to be at times.
i would think a simple request to ship the cards via fedex/ups/usps to their vault and offer to pay for those services would have been a much more respectable and classier move.
ive got no dog in this fight but sending out an email blast riddled with important grammatical errors that youre backing a truck up to their vault and offering to drive those contents across the country is comical at best.
im very surprised that the folks who purchased goldin approved the release w/o being proof read or to even offer this, especially with their auction hosting problems and lack of a vault user interface.
@blurryface said:
i would think a simple request to ship the cards via fedex/ups/usps to their vault and offer to pay for those services would have been a much more respectable and classier move.
ive got no dog in this fight but sending out an email blast riddled with important grammatical errors that youre backing a truck up to their vault and offering to drive those contents across the country is comical at best.
im very surprised that the folks who purchased goldin approved the release w/o being proof read or to even offer this, especially with their auction hosting problems and lack of a vault user interface.
Is the purchase by Collectors Holdings completed? If so unlikely their legal dept is "happy" with the content of that email.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Indeed. It's amazing that this hobby has— primarily through a murky brew of pump-and-dumping, fake sales, shilling, fractional ownership companies, viral FOMO, and hype as a way to "invest" — priced out 99.9% of the collectors. Forget the 1%, looking at the likes of Heritage, REA, SCP, Lelands, Goldin, PWCC, et al., it is clear that sportscards are now for the .1%, LOL. It's staggering to see what things cost a little ways back, and what they cost us today.
I talk to a lot of collectors, and a common experience is how we all have to prune our collections and identify a pile of stuff to sell anytime we want to add something remotely nice. It used to be we could save up over time and make a purchase, and thereby add to our collections. Thanks to that aforementioned brew, most additions now require subtraction. I think this dynamic is what fuels the bilious negativity that pervades so many of the various message boards. Every sale breaks the prior record, set by the prior sale. The trimmers, shillers, scammers, and the guys playing hot potato must love it, but I'd wager most collectors when spending time with their cards don't think, "Yes! This is worth X!" I'd also wager most collectors don't buy cards looking forward to selling them. "Yes, I finally landed this card I have long been after for my collection. Can't wait for it to double inside a year so I can sell it!"
It's tempting but ultimately specious to think we collectors love the notion of our cards increasing in value; because the flipside to that coin is what it costs us to keep collecting— and if you love your cards and don't want to sell them, their liquid worth is rather moot. In that case, all we're then truly left with is higher costs.
I will add that I buy raw and send in for the most part. Old habits die hard, I guess.
That said, most people would do well to apply more logic. And yet, they don’t. Do you like the card or the fact that it’s a graded card? Finding it? Displaying it? Knowing you have it? Knowing what it’s worth? Watching it grow in value?
I own many cards and have sold some; always bittersweet but you can have fun starting over, too. I do believe collecting can be fun on any budget and as they say, grading isn’t everything so buy the card not the holder. My current go to is this: if flip isn’t a factor, pick one:
Again, they’re both graded correctly and I’m not impugning work and yet I know my collector eye likes the overall look of the 4 better.
Considerably.
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@80sOPC said:
With all due respect the 9 Mantle is the far superior card to my eye. I like low graded centered cards but lets not get out of hand here.
And I’m not following what those two cards have to do with PWCC being suspended from eBay.
To the best of my knowledge, neither card has anything to do with PWCC. For me, the 9’s tilt is too much whether it’s a 4 or 9. Just like I’m sure the dinged corners on the 4 are hard to ignore for a fan of corners.
That’s the point, though, is they’re both really nice cards and I can only afford mine. I do understand that I simply can’t afford corners. 😁
For me, the 1969 Topps cards were always very tough to find centered and without tilt. Usually both problems are present on them and often you get one or the other and any Mantle can also have a (nearly standard) print splotch on left edge. Rare is the case there’s no splotch, great centering and no tilt; there are a few PSA 8’s that combine the centering and tilt less appearance to look like a near 10.
Can’t afford them either.
Here it is raw, too, where the corner softness is even more evident.
Just to further help prove your case. 😂
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By US law, US based sellers were required have been reporting the sales (INCOME) above 600 per year themselves. if they were not they were committing felony's. Those who support criminal actions I'm sure are upset I for one say the IRS if anything was not too smart in doing something now they could have done 20 year ago.
I agree with this but we all know that the majority of people that sell on eBay do not pay taxes on the sales.
I called the State Revenue Department in Minnesota when I started selling some items worth a few hundred dollars and was told they were treating internet sales by individuals the same as "Garage Sales".
They weren't too concerned, but they also never said that my sales were exempt, just that they weren't pursuing the monies.
I have never sold enough to get a 1099 (or whatever the document is).
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1969 Mantle is notorious for a tilt. I am waiting for a PSA-8.5 w/o one. I agree w/1951 Wheaties Premium that the tilt bothers me...especially graded a PSA-9.
While we’re off topic on the topic of 69 Mantle being a tough card— I will put this little 6.5 against any 9, esp in terms of pound for pound eye appeal for the buck. Used to belong to a member here, been with me a while. Best centering/tilt situation I’ve come across on this card. Probably have to go through hundreds for every one printed/cut this squarely.
Especially if you display cards in a wall case, from a normal/casual viewing distance a card like this will look just like a mint card and cost a bundle less. I’ve found with white bordered cards, when I am looking at them on a wall case, nm corners look mint to my eyes.
@ndleo said:
From Fortune - "The then-CEO of eBay, Devin Wenig, didn’t like the reports in a husband-and-wife newsletter aimed at people who sell wares on eBay. Wenig sent texts documenting his ire to his head of communications ("Take her down"), who egged on the company’s head of security ("I want to see ashes"), a drunk-on-power operative charged with cooking up sophomoric stunts to frighten the couple ("I've been ordered to find and destroy")."
While attempted murder may be harsh, I don't think that it is completely out of the realm of possibility considering how ebay's Jason Bourne reacted to the direct orders "Take her down" and "I want to see ashes". The Steiners look to be senior citizens and this kind of frightening stress is not good for people in that age group. They thought someone was trying to kill them. Think about how your grand parents would respond if they thought someone was trying to kill them.
basically this. and maybe attempted murder was not the right terminology but i thought i read something about a possible “hit” or “murder for hire” though. maybe it was just talks, but still…
pwcc might have turned trimmings to ashes, but not people. and especially not someones grandparents. 😉
Just sickening. I feel really bad for those people. That is horrible. And to think, more than a few were involved in the plot. Makes me sick. very powerful people in a big company. Yes, I could imagine they were scared.
By US law, US based sellers were required have been reporting the sales (INCOME) above 600 per year themselves. if they were not they were committing felony's. Those who support criminal actions I'm sure are upset I for one say the IRS if anything was not too smart in doing something now they could have done 20 year ago.
I agree with this but we all know that the majority of people that sell on eBay do not pay taxes on the sales.
I called the State Revenue Department in Minnesota when I started selling some items worth a few hundred dollars and was told they were treating internet sales by individuals the same as "Garage Sales".
They weren't too concerned, but they also never said that my sales were exempt, just that they weren't pursuing the monies.
I have never sold enough to get a 1099 (or whatever the document is).
So here's the difference: if you bought a blender at Sears and sell it at your garage sale, or a jacket from Nordstrom, you're spectacularly unlikely to make a profit. It's really unlikely that if you buy something for $1000 and sell for $800 you owe taxes, though not impossible. There are jurisdictions with taxes on gross receipts. With cards it's entirely possible to have paid $10 for the card you sell for $800. So yes, I think your take on this is likely correct: that you're required to report the sales but nothing is likely to happen if you don't.
@80sOPC said:
With all due respect the 9 Mantle is the far superior card to my eye. I like low graded centered cards but lets not get out of hand here.
And I’m not following what those two cards have to do with PWCC being suspended from eBay.
If I didn’t make this clear, I have complete respect for your opinion. Also, I don’t disagree with you.
My only point was that everyone has subtle differences when ‘dropping standards’ below a ten takes place.
Same set, two cards from my collection. I like both cards but I prefer the overall look of the lower grade card…
…because I prefer centering to corners, myself, and can’t afford both.
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There is no wrong way to think of increased prices. For me I root for a huge price correction and sustained lower prices. I look at it if I want more cards than I have (which will always be the case) then a huge drop in prices would be great. I would instantly expand into prewar if cards became worth only 1/100 of what they are today.
For collectors one smart way to look at it might be - will I be spending more the rest of my life than my life to date on my hobby? If the answer is yes, then I think price increases are bad for you.
If you are looking to get more focused - say go to one player - and that player is not as they call it a GOAT then price increases are probably good to help you sell off and get stuff that means more to you.
If you consider your cards an “asset class” then I would think you root for all increases and worry about if it is the right time to sell.
Some love their collection but would sell it off the instant it could pay-off their mortgage.
We all have different motivations. It is not right or wrong to root for record prices or a price drop.
Happy collecting - no matter how or why you do it.
@DM23HOF said:
While we’re off topic on the topic of 69 Mantle being a tough card— I will put this little 6.5 against any 9, esp in terms of pound for pound eye appeal for the buck. Used to belong to a member here, been with me a while. Best centering/tilt situation I’ve come across on this card. Probably have to go through hundreds for every one printed/cut this squarely.
Especially if you display cards in a wall case, from a normal/casual viewing distance a card like this will look just like a mint card and cost a bundle less. I’ve found with white bordered cards, when I am looking at them on a wall case, nm corners look mint to my eyes.
@UFFDAH said: @80sOPC - would you trust PSA if they said a Moser or otherwise altered identified card was not altered and they stand behind the card as PSA correctly graded?
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@rcmb3220 - well, I never said you did. Just sharing some insight is all.
@DM23HOF - I've had the evidence upheld and declined on PSA cards. Both sides of the fence I am ok with that. Just cards, not life or death for me.
I buy raw and submit. My card, my budget, my risk. Grades on the flip vary greatly, yet the beauty is consistent.
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The Gehrig comes from impeccable seller. Dormand not super expensive or often altered.
The thread needed some cards. 😁
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My reasoning was only that I have seen more none sticker cards later bumping or change vs never a sticker card bumping later. And then get stickers. But someone said they have had it happen. Im only talking about the sticker and not everything PWCC sells. Just my personal thought and observation. I also agree who cares, do my due diligence and I avoid certain cards as well. For me one is the PWCC HE Stickers.
i stayed away from the pwcc stickers primarily because a diamond in the rough had been outed. they basically were mass signals pointing to a possible bumpable card. i liked finding those myself versus having a bright blinking sign flashing “hot donuts now” directing traffic to my targets. of course cant blame them. it was a brilliant marketing move that did work. the positive byproduct of that was pretty much ensuring that the possibility of purchasing an altered card went down significantly along with most pwcc stuff after the mantle 4 outing.
I only bought these two, plus the Ryan RC. The SGC Ryan rookie was actually about 20% below PSA 7’s in the same auction. I think I may have paid 10% or so premium on these, but probably would have paid the premium for the centering regardless of stickers. Agree with Blurry - most times the stickers made me think bidding would be too contested. Later in the game, there were many times when non-stickered cards looked nicer than stickered in his same auctions. I think we all know why that was the case now….
Bosox1976
I personally would not. If I knew the provenance of a card went through Moser no-one could remove my opinion that it was likely trimmed. The body of evidence is strong. I would just plain stay away.
Thx - appreciate the response.
Not if there were before and after pictures that clearly showed a card had been trimmed. I think some cards that are being declared as good are clearly altered.
I agree on the Moser. If strongly linked to him likely gonna be a problem.
and this is a big focal point that kinda got swept under the rug. once the gig was up and the thread started to get pulled, probably the biggest thing that irked me was the pwcc press release/statements attempt to muddy the water on just what is and isnt acceptable in terms of altering. while not agreed upon by everybody, but an overwhelming majority of post-war collectors, once the the terms like "restoration" and "preserving the cards integrity" even entered the conversation, i knew things were gonna get dark.
first, i am of the opinion that there is no restoring post war cards. pre-war, imo, has a little leeway. different thread, differnt time. however, like michael jordan would say, "i took that (statement) personally". they knew better, but more importantly, just how dumb do you think most of us are, bud? naturally i didnt expect them to come out and say "yep, we did it. been doing it for years" but the last thing i expected was a double down & attempt to move the hobby's opinion and compare it to the art or classic card world. and if you read between the lines, that excuse is basically saying "yep, we did it. we are of the opinion that we are doing collectors a service NOT a disservice by restoring and preserving these cardboard pieces of art". get outta here w. that crap. it woulda been better to not say anything in my opinion. shilling, safety bidding or whatever ya wanna call it, sure. but altering and then expecting that lethargic reason to be accepted when caught red handed? nah. the sad thing is while they were a hobby giant and ultimately became a useful tool within the tool that is ebay. they were the biggest game in town when it came to ebay and sportscards. for the most part they did provide a vast majority with a tremendous service. and while a lot of folks hate ebay, they still use them. and they apparently stalked and took a hit out on somebody. altering cards is one thing, but attempted murder by ebay's top brass? that's a whole new ball league there. in the end it is what it is. im torn on the subject. any titan of industry has a custodian closet full of dirty mops.
No
I heard of the horrible/unforgivable stalking; but the attempted murder....What ??
I wouldn't change a thing, looks great in that holder.
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
Just for old time’s sake:
Isn’t that a Milton Bradley?
Nah - it's orangey rather than yellow on the back and doesn't have the white border on the front that MB's usually have.
Bosox1976
From Fortune - "The then-CEO of eBay, Devin Wenig, didn’t like the reports in a husband-and-wife newsletter aimed at people who sell wares on eBay. Wenig sent texts documenting his ire to his head of communications ("Take her down"), who egged on the company’s head of security ("I want to see ashes"), a drunk-on-power operative charged with cooking up sophomoric stunts to frighten the couple ("I've been ordered to find and destroy")."
While attempted murder may be harsh, I don't think that it is completely out of the realm of possibility considering how ebay's Jason Bourne reacted to the direct orders "Take her down" and "I want to see ashes". The Steiners look to be senior citizens and this kind of frightening stress is not good for people in that age group. They thought someone was trying to kill them. Think about how your grand parents would respond if they thought someone was trying to kill them.
@Mickey71
basically this. and maybe attempted murder was not the right terminology but i thought i read something about a possible “hit” or “murder for hire” though. maybe it was just talks, but still…
pwcc might have turned trimmings to ashes, but not people. and especially not someones grandparents. 😉
this gunna get good. kinda makes my earlier comments ring true…
let the battle of the vaults commence:
Ok guys, this appears to be real hobby content and I am sure you will discuss it. I ask that you just please refrain from throwing around wild speculation and accusation. I'll have to do some clean up if that happens. Thanks, Todd
I love when Todd gets all froggy. You can tell he has kids.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Just trying to walk the line between allowing you all to discuss a situation and doing my job. I figure it's easier to try and squash a situation before it arises then to go back and try to clean up a mess.
Dear anyone considering taking up Goldin on the offer of picking up from PWCC Vault:
Any time instructions include emailing a specific individual (not even a group email) to confirm a selection already made through a system application, it’s indicative of a less than optimal control environment.
Sincerely,
A guy who wouldn’t hit curveballs and thus had to get a career that required consideration of optimal control environments.
They always look that way. Dope and gansta', until you're on the inside looking out and out of options.
it's "quash" (put an end to; put a stop to, etc., etc.)
But whether you're quashing or squashing, we appreciate it, though a bunch of malcontents and eccentrics we may appear to be at times.
quash - put an end to; suppress.
I prefer to squash the POP TARTS out of them so I don't have to worry about the issue again. ;-)
no one noticed “besty@pwccmarketplace”?
i can see this scenario:
“send them an email at this address to have your cards picked up.”
they arrive to pick up.
“what email? never got one.”
goldin drives back w empty van.
He could have unpredictable car trouble on the way to the pick up. Causing them to delay it for a day.
Who knows
Goldin with the typo in his marketing blast, that’s amazing.
i can see the tattoo now; “ken and betsy bestys 4ever”.😉
Is Goldin transporting them in an armored car or a Prius? What could go wrong?
i would think a simple request to ship the cards via fedex/ups/usps to their vault and offer to pay for those services would have been a much more respectable and classier move.
ive got no dog in this fight but sending out an email blast riddled with important grammatical errors that youre backing a truck up to their vault and offering to drive those contents across the country is comical at best.
im very surprised that the folks who purchased goldin approved the release w/o being proof read or to even offer this, especially with their auction hosting problems and lack of a vault user interface.
Is the purchase by Collectors Holdings completed? If so unlikely their legal dept is "happy" with the content of that email.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
still shattering records lol
Indeed. It's amazing that this hobby has— primarily through a murky brew of pump-and-dumping, fake sales, shilling, fractional ownership companies, viral FOMO, and hype as a way to "invest" — priced out 99.9% of the collectors. Forget the 1%, looking at the likes of Heritage, REA, SCP, Lelands, Goldin, PWCC, et al., it is clear that sportscards are now for the .1%, LOL. It's staggering to see what things cost a little ways back, and what they cost us today.
I talk to a lot of collectors, and a common experience is how we all have to prune our collections and identify a pile of stuff to sell anytime we want to add something remotely nice. It used to be we could save up over time and make a purchase, and thereby add to our collections. Thanks to that aforementioned brew, most additions now require subtraction. I think this dynamic is what fuels the bilious negativity that pervades so many of the various message boards. Every sale breaks the prior record, set by the prior sale. The trimmers, shillers, scammers, and the guys playing hot potato must love it, but I'd wager most collectors when spending time with their cards don't think, "Yes! This is worth X!" I'd also wager most collectors don't buy cards looking forward to selling them. "Yes, I finally landed this card I have long been after for my collection. Can't wait for it to double inside a year so I can sell it!"
It's tempting but ultimately specious to think we collectors love the notion of our cards increasing in value; because the flipside to that coin is what it costs us to keep collecting— and if you love your cards and don't want to sell them, their liquid worth is rather moot. In that case, all we're then truly left with is higher costs.
I will add that I buy raw and send in for the most part. Old habits die hard, I guess.
That said, most people would do well to apply more logic. And yet, they don’t. Do you like the card or the fact that it’s a graded card? Finding it? Displaying it? Knowing you have it? Knowing what it’s worth? Watching it grow in value?
I own many cards and have sold some; always bittersweet but you can have fun starting over, too. I do believe collecting can be fun on any budget and as they say, grading isn’t everything so buy the card not the holder. My current go to is this: if flip isn’t a factor, pick one:
Again, they’re both graded correctly and I’m not impugning work and yet I know my collector eye likes the overall look of the 4 better.
Considerably.
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With all due respect the 9 Mantle is the far superior card to my eye. I like low graded centered cards but lets not get out of hand here.
And I’m not following what those two cards have to do with PWCC being suspended from eBay.
To the best of my knowledge, neither card has anything to do with PWCC. For me, the 9’s tilt is too much whether it’s a 4 or 9. Just like I’m sure the dinged corners on the 4 are hard to ignore for a fan of corners.
That’s the point, though, is they’re both really nice cards and I can only afford mine. I do understand that I simply can’t afford corners. 😁
For me, the 1969 Topps cards were always very tough to find centered and without tilt. Usually both problems are present on them and often you get one or the other and any Mantle can also have a (nearly standard) print splotch on left edge. Rare is the case there’s no splotch, great centering and no tilt; there are a few PSA 8’s that combine the centering and tilt less appearance to look like a near 10.
Can’t afford them either.
Here it is raw, too, where the corner softness is even more evident.
Just to further help prove your case. 😂
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I called the State Revenue Department in Minnesota when I started selling some items worth a few hundred dollars and was told they were treating internet sales by individuals the same as "Garage Sales".
They weren't too concerned, but they also never said that my sales were exempt, just that they weren't pursuing the monies.
I have never sold enough to get a 1099 (or whatever the document is).
1969 Mantle is notorious for a tilt. I am waiting for a PSA-8.5 w/o one. I agree w/1951 Wheaties Premium that the tilt bothers me...especially graded a PSA-9.
While we’re off topic on the topic of 69 Mantle being a tough card— I will put this little 6.5 against any 9, esp in terms of pound for pound eye appeal for the buck. Used to belong to a member here, been with me a while. Best centering/tilt situation I’ve come across on this card. Probably have to go through hundreds for every one printed/cut this squarely.
Especially if you display cards in a wall case, from a normal/casual viewing distance a card like this will look just like a mint card and cost a bundle less. I’ve found with white bordered cards, when I am looking at them on a wall case, nm corners look mint to my eyes.
Some nice 69's. This has turned into a Mantle thread. Taking a negative and making a positive. LOL.
Just sickening. I feel really bad for those people. That is horrible. And to think, more than a few were involved in the plot. Makes me sick. very powerful people in a big company. Yes, I could imagine they were scared.
So here's the difference: if you bought a blender at Sears and sell it at your garage sale, or a jacket from Nordstrom, you're spectacularly unlikely to make a profit. It's really unlikely that if you buy something for $1000 and sell for $800 you owe taxes, though not impossible. There are jurisdictions with taxes on gross receipts. With cards it's entirely possible to have paid $10 for the card you sell for $800. So yes, I think your take on this is likely correct: that you're required to report the sales but nothing is likely to happen if you don't.
If I didn’t make this clear, I have complete respect for your opinion. Also, I don’t disagree with you.
My only point was that everyone has subtle differences when ‘dropping standards’ below a ten takes place.
Same set, two cards from my collection. I like both cards but I prefer the overall look of the lower grade card…
…because I prefer centering to corners, myself, and can’t afford both.
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There is no wrong way to think of increased prices. For me I root for a huge price correction and sustained lower prices. I look at it if I want more cards than I have (which will always be the case) then a huge drop in prices would be great. I would instantly expand into prewar if cards became worth only 1/100 of what they are today.
For collectors one smart way to look at it might be - will I be spending more the rest of my life than my life to date on my hobby? If the answer is yes, then I think price increases are bad for you.
If you are looking to get more focused - say go to one player - and that player is not as they call it a GOAT then price increases are probably good to help you sell off and get stuff that means more to you.
If you consider your cards an “asset class” then I would think you root for all increases and worry about if it is the right time to sell.
Some love their collection but would sell it off the instant it could pay-off their mortgage.
We all have different motivations. It is not right or wrong to root for record prices or a price drop.
Happy collecting - no matter how or why you do it.
That's a beauty, especially for the price!
John
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
All nice Mantles!
I have an ugly 8, and always thought I'd rather have a dead centered 7. I have to get on it after seeing these...
Bosox1976
@brad31
I want to get a record on every card I sell and have the market crash immediately so I can buy it back at 1/10th of the price for every card I want.
Seems realistic, right?
😁
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YES, then why else go to PSA for an opinion ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama