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  • RobMRobM Posts: 552 ✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2021 7:23AM

    @tincup,
    The growing costs of child daycare are "completely solved" by BBB since the BLS suggests that the base measurement of such prices is from out of pocket household expenses. Make the service free to most, require massive pay increases for people working in the child care business, and there is no longer an issue with the impact on CPI even though government will add 10s of billions a year in debt to pay for it. The BLS will actually be able to reduce, or perhaps eliminate, such expenses from the CPI. The huge costs to government can either be deceptively hidden "at best", and at worst show up in price increases for some other asset or good.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congrats to those who have been busy stocking the ole bunker with oats and coffee instead of gutter and fancy gutter.

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    congrats to those that see buying opportunities.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:

    Congrats to those who have been busy stocking the ole bunker with oats and coffee instead of gutter and fancy gutter.

    No concern about oat milk inflation?

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • RobMRobM Posts: 552 ✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:

    @blitzdude said:

    Congrats to those who have been busy stocking the ole bunker with oats and coffee instead of gutter and fancy gutter.

    No concern about oat milk inflation?

    Can simply mix it with cocoa to bring the pruce down a bit?

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    congrats to those that see buying opportunities.

    The last decade has been opportunity....or not.

    When we gonna get that 20 to 150 run to verify the opportunity?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is always opportunity... in good times and in bad, with low inflation and high inflation. One must remain informed and plan accordingly... and certainly some luck never hurts.

    ----- kj
  • taxmadtaxmad Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:
    There is always opportunity... in good times and in bad, with low inflation and high inflation. One must remain informed and plan accordingly... and certainly some luck never hurts.

    "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own..."

  • rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 971 ✭✭✭✭

    Why doesnt Gold and Silver seem to keep up with inflation? Probably because young people never heard of them as an investment hedge?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/10/consumer-price-index-november-2021.html

    “When you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to know when you're finished.” - Tommy Smothers
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rooksmith said:
    Why doesnt Gold and Silver seem to keep up with inflation? Probably because young people never heard of them as an investment hedge?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/10/consumer-price-index-november-2021.html

    Worst marketing campaign ever.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2021 3:50PM

    Note that gold's inflation adjusted peak coincided with the last great peak in inflation. Will gold repeat this performance, especially now that inflation reporting has been drastically watered down since 1980? Buckle your seat belts.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Magic! How to reduce the consumer price index while consumer prices continue to rise

    Why not, it's been done before on many occasions. If you don't like the results, simply change the formula.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • RobMRobM Posts: 552 ✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Magic! How to reduce the consumer price index while consumer prices continue to rise

    Why not, it's been done before on many occasions. If you don't like the results, simply change the formula.

    Which, unfortunately IMO, is why individuals cannot legally maintain wealth through ownership of PMs. Manipulation of CPI to underestimate currency devaluation then the expectation of paying short term capital gains.

  • I've heard estimates between 8%-10% as the REAL rate of inflation, not the 6.3% we're being told. :cry:

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Per John William's website:

    • INFLATION/FED – FLASH (Dec 10): Worst Inflation Since Harry Truman Was President -- Consistent with the Methodologies of Pre-1980 Headline CPI Reporting, the November 2021 ShadowStats Alternate CPI Annual Inflation at 14.9% Was the Worst CPI Reading Since 17.6% in June 1947, Just Topping the 14.8% Peak of March 1980

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2021 7:06AM

    @crito_is_baaack said:
    I've heard estimates between 8%-10% as the REAL rate of inflation, not the 6.3% we're being told. :cry:

    Using the governments formula from 1980 (before they began tweeking it to get better optics) inflation is currently twice as high as being reported under the "new and improved method" of hiding the bad news. It's actually back at 1980 levels where double digit interest rates were used to get it under control. Today's Federal Reserve does not have the gonads to attempt such a cure as it would crash the false economy they created in response to the 2008 financial crisis that they helped create. Yet America depends on the FED to "fix things." lol

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2021 8:32AM

    Yawn, wake us up when gutter starts to inflate. lol

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Yawn, wake us up when gutter starts to inflate. lol

    My gutter is growing at an astounding rate. B)

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2021 4:04AM

    @derryb said:

    Yet America depends on the FED to "fix things"
    >

    Yet Congress and Presidents depend on the Fed to fix things. Fixed it for ya.

    Americans would be just fine as we are resilient, resourceful and strong, but our elected officials would feel our wrath.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2021 5:15PM

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    Yet America depends on the FED to "fix things"
    >

    Yet Congress and Presidents depend on the Fed to fix things. Fixed it for ya.

    they don't elect themselves. LOL

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    Yet America depends on the FED to "fix things"
    >

    Yet Congress and Presidents depend on the Fed to fix things. Fixed it for ya.

    they don't elect themselves. LOL

    Let's keep the political BS out of this thread. THKS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • Kitco's interview with Gerald Celente is interesting. He calls it "dragflation".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX2bohS0StI

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .> @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    Yet America depends on the FED to "fix things"
    >

    Yet Congress and Presidents depend on the Fed to fix things. Fixed it for ya.

    they don't elect themselves. LOL

    Yup...wrath.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First they'll blame the oil companies and hoarders. Then they'll try price controls. Then, rationing. As prices run away on the gray market.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • RobMRobM Posts: 552 ✭✭✭

    JP looks like a deer in the headlights. Can't even define maximum employment or how to determine it.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2021 1:23PM

    What really caused price inflation?

    Blame congress.

    "The multiple stimulus packages Congress passed were hot money squared. It went into the hands of people who actually spent it. And since they couldn’t buy services like restaurants, hotels, and travel they bought “stuff.” So we had a “demand shock.” Consumers wanted more than businesses could produce."

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • meluaufeetmeluaufeet Posts: 764 ✭✭✭

    I believe inflation is turning to disinflation now, and will continue thru 1qtr 2022.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,138 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @meluaufeet said:
    I believe inflation is turning to disinflation now, and will continue thru 1qtr 2022.

    What is "disinflation" or did you mean "deflation"?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @meluaufeet said:
    I believe inflation is turning to disinflation now, and will continue thru 1qtr 2022.

    What is "disinflation" or did you mean "deflation"?

    Disinflation is still positive inflation at a lesser degree.
    Deflation is pricing going down…

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2021 3:49PM

    Real Inflation is 9%... and the Fed Thinks It Can Stop By Raising Rates to 2%?

    Good luck wid dat. It will take 9% rates to get real inflation down to 2%.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t think raising rates will work

    I don’t know what will

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My gutter certainly continues to "deflate" LULZ!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    in Sept., nine of 12 Federal Open Market Committee members said "no rate hikes in 2022." Today, 10 of the 12 declared "three hikes in 2022."

    Anyone who believes these people know what they are doing is just as lost.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    in Sept., nine of 12 Federal Open Market Committee members said "no rate hikes in 2022." Today, 10 of the 12 declared "three hikes in 2022."

    Anyone who believes these people know what they are doing is just as lost.

    Those damn fake fortune tellers, I want my $$$ back. LOL!

    PS: sounds like a guy around here that has been spouting for 25 years about how gutter is on sale.

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you're trolling again. lol

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:

    @derryb said:
    in Sept., nine of 12 Federal Open Market Committee members said "no rate hikes in 2022." Today, 10 of the 12 declared "three hikes in 2022."

    Anyone who believes these people know what they are doing is just as lost.

    Those damn fake fortune tellers, I want my $$$ back. LOL!

    PS: sounds like a guy around here that has been spouting for 25 years about how gutter is on sale.

    Sounds like you'd be happier on a video poker blog. How about you start stacking oats, LOL.

    Have a nice day
  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @streeter said:

    @blitzdude said:

    @derryb said:
    in Sept., nine of 12 Federal Open Market Committee members said "no rate hikes in 2022." Today, 10 of the 12 declared "three hikes in 2022."

    Anyone who believes these people know what they are doing is just as lost.

    Those damn fake fortune tellers, I want my $$$ back. LOL!

    PS: sounds like a guy around here that has been spouting for 25 years about how gutter is on sale.

    Sounds like you'd be happier on a video poker blog. How about you start stacking oats, LOL.

    Oat stack done. CHECK! Don't feed the silber troll! LOL!!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • RobMRobM Posts: 552 ✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2021 7:37PM

    Does anyone here seriously think that the Fed will finish the taper, much less meaningfully raise rates? If you do, I have some rhodium to sell you.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fed just increased taper.

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Fed just increased taper.

    FED just said they were going to increase taper. Now does that mean a net decrease of pumping overall or a reduction of pumping in one form only to see an increase of pumping in another form?

    Face it, Wall Street has their lips around the spigot with their teeth locking on.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If they were going to keep the tide in so the nekkid people can’t be seen then they would have found some excuse to do that

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    they serve more than one master. At the moment focus is on inflation. As you well know the FED is constantly changing what they say. What happened to that "transitory" inflation?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    I don’t think raising rates will work

    I don’t know what will

    The destruction of money/wealth will do it.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IF...they in so much as raise rates from present 1/4% to 2% level, the cost of servicing the NATIONAL DEBT would turn the budget on it's head.
    Probably not realistic. IMHO, we haven't seen the worst of inflation.
    PRICE CONTROLS. That's going to be fun. Just increases current demand.

    Have a nice day
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    National Debt?

    Lots of people lining up to lend us money to pay for our debt

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  • crito_is_baaackcrito_is_baaack Posts: 130 ✭✭✭
    edited December 15, 2021 11:48PM

    For entirely political reasons that have nothing to do with economics, they'll wait until after everyone pays their taxes to raise rates. It would tick off voters too much if they did it before. We've got another 5-6 months before the dookie hits the fan.

  • taxmadtaxmad Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    I don’t think raising rates will work

    I don’t know what will

    Don’t renew the $300 monthly per child advanced tax credit and don’t make the $2000 annual credit refundable. Raise tax rates on those making under $100k. Raise margin requirements on brokerage accounts. Eliminate the carried interest rule.

    Inflation was thought to be the elixir that would increase tax revenue enough to pay down on debt. The problem is our pols are increasing spending faster

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @streeter said:
    IF...they in so much as raise rates from present 1/4% to 2% level, the cost of servicing the NATIONAL DEBT would turn the budget on it's head.

    >

    How much would the debt service increase?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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